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University Of Calgary Professor And Senior Advisor To Canadian PM Calls For Julian Assange Assassination On National TV
It is not a good week for Wikileaks. Following yesterday's Interpol arrest warrant, also yesterday, Tom Flanagan, a senior advisor and strategist to the Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, called for the assassination of Wikileaks director Julian Assange. On CBS News. On Live TV. As the video notes, "it is believed to be the first ever televised "fatwa" since the edict by the Iranian leadership of the late Ayatollah Khomeini against British writer Salman Rushdie in February 1989." It's a good thing western society, where due process used to mean something, is so much more evolved than that of Iran. Additionally, although news anchor Solomon afforded Flanagan the
opportunity to retract his statement, Flanagan balked at doing so and
instead reiterated that U.S. President should put out a "contract" on
Assange or use "a drone" and that he would not be unhappy if Assange
"disappeared." Flanagan who is a trusted member of PM Harper's inner
circle of Tory strategists joins Sarah Palin in calling for the death of
the Wikileaks director as retribution for the website's release of
confidential diplomatic and intelligence "chatter" this week. How long before any senior political advisor has the freedom to issue fatwas on national TV on anyone who dares to utter or publish something that they consider offensive?
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Everyone hates a sad professor.
The good professor and all of the paid dorks on Faux News can call for assassinations, but if you or I did the same (called for assassination), that would land us in jail.
Fuck them.
HOw many people were put in jail for those Bush assassination documentary's?
Advocating murder without trial....now that's leadership.
@janchup
Didn't Attorney General Eric Holder assure us that the 9/11 trials in NYC would result in convictions and death sentences? Apparently trials are now just formalities, a sop to the judiciary, that demonstrate just how guilty the bad guys are.
The combination of this and the TSA sexual assault = security...
I am frightened for the future of this country.
"I am frightened for the future of this country."
Friend, THAT is the new defintion of being awake today.
These are the times that try men's souls. But hang in there 'cuz soon we're going to kick their asses in.
Fear not, just plan your revenge. Own silver and gold to insure you'll outlast the beastly Pimps of Paper. Their world is about to implode, and then we'll kick the living snot out of them when they're down.
WORD
You are right to be so!!
Fear is the first step on the way to diverting a catastrophe.
No one got really hysterical until a bankster was threatened.
So Canada has officially jumped the shark now.
This casts a different light on those suggesting that immigration from the US to Canada would be an enormous improvement.
What could one expect from some craven talking head from the Rothschild colony known as Canada?
Its so-called leaders are craven whore boys for serial financial terrorists. Just like ours.
They may be craven, but at least they are polite.
Why don't some of us write the http://poli.ucalgary.ca/contact-us/directory Department head
dstewart@ucalgary.ca
and write Tom Flanagan himself
tflanaga@ucalgary.ca
and cc the President
Dr. Elizabeth Cannon president@ucalgary.ca
Great idea, emails sent!!
great. do you mind posting ur letter here or a part of it to see what angle u took?
He loves his Queen of England. Must of been eating too much of that canadian bacon. At least we know upping his psycho meds won't cost him anything.
Palin needs no mention. We all know she makes dumbfucks look smart.
Careful with discounting these goons. From another angle it looks like the US and Canadian Fascist elements are beginning to merge their playbooks. This could become quite dicey.
It only gets worse, the politicians from all countries are on the defensive big time, seems Wikileaks is doing us all a favour in 'outing' our political masters!
Anyone else here skeptical of Mr. Assange and who he's really working for? As for Tom Flanagan, he's just another Western loonie...and an embarrassment to Harper.
Margin call?
Maybe he is Western loonie but East got proportional number of loonies too. Embarrassment to Harper? Was it a joke?
Harper is from Calgary.
Mr. Assange is a big investor in Chinese Solar stocks I hear...
friends don't let friends overdose on viagra
I can't believe the rhetoric here. Are you insane agreeing to assassination?I see others have their heads still screwed on.
Personally I think this all the material may have been leaked deliberately . Out of of all the pages leaked the Royals and the British get it in the neck. In amongst all the 'stories' we now find out that really the big stories are China wants a united Korea. North Korea has been supplying missile parts through China to Iran. We are slowly seeing all the dots we need to in order to justify the actions we know are coming. Help the South take over North Korea. The Chinese said it was ok. Oh and yes its ok to take out the Nukes in Iran now as well as the Saudis wanted us to anyway.
Flanagan should be tried for incitement to murder. Sarah Palin from some research has never called for Assanges death except maybe through press implication. I'd love to see a link confirming otherwise.
OUTING FASCISTS AMONG US....the Assange Leak adventure gets that done por lo menos!
this lowly Canadian, Palin (the female "stupid like me candidate") the Rep in N.Y. those labeling Assange a "Terrorist" reveal the truth regarding how the term terrorist has come to simply mean "those that disagree with the labeler's bourgeois-ocrati-fascist views".
State terrorism giving rise to counter-state terrorism a forgotten formula leading to the hollowed out meaninglessness of the now meaning hollowed out term "terrorism."
When "ruling class" types (or wanna be ruling class white trash ) label someone like Assange or even Al Queda "terrorist" the misnomer points back to them as fascists who use the fear of terrorist acts to keep them in power.
Really more social democratic than populist these turds use the label to feign being our protectors when in fact these terrorism name callers are the true terrorists within our society. Disinforming or ignorant they undermine Humanist values and freedom as they portray themselves as defenders of some vague concept of social order or correctness.
Hiding behind calling names as a means to 'label' unsettling acts like exposing the daily lies of our institutions and leaders they aim to afford themselves support among the equally ignorant masses (sheeple) they rely on for their power seeking and fascist objectives (scanner companies making money protecting us from hypothetical terrorists while violating our privacy and rights as Americans and other nation's people for example).
Perpetuating ignorance, the "stupid like me" stars perpetuate failures to understand what drives someone to so called "terrorist acts" preventing dialogue which would lead to an understanding this it is these fascists and demagogues who fostered the so called terrorists in the first place by crimes of the state perpetuated by their fascist kin.
These fascists feed off the illusion of terror for their own profit and to further their own form of terrorism which cultivates and exploits ignorance.
Who should really hang are these types -- Palin and the Canadian and the Rep from New York for crimes against the people and our freedoms and for the crime of fostering hate and ignorance to further their own ends. They should be banned from holding office in countries whose values embrace democracy freedom or justice since clearly their intent (with unfortunate realized success) is to undermine the very fabric of a society that lets them speak their disinformative sheep crap.
"all the dots needed.." Does this mean Assange will now live in a cave, never get caught, and make videos that don't look like him?
or maybe he never existed. :-)
Wait, was that the Rubicon?
Well played
"Wait, was that the Rubicon?"
Now, Now Uncle Remus
We won't cross the Rubicon until the idiot Amerikan public elects a half-wit bimbo who quit her last job halfway through her term...
Wait: Did I just describe Palin McMILF or Obummer?
Wait: My feet are wet...
Uncle Remus... I think we done did cross it...
Screee, crackle, squeal
Attention. All liberties are hereby rescinded effective toot de suite.
The smoking, drinking and fornicating lamp is lit.
Smoke, drink and forn'em if you got'em - you've got 15 minutes.
That is all.
Squeal, crackle, screee
f****************************************ck
Someone report him to the RCMP. They WILL investigate this, even if they through out the case.
Flanagan realized that it is very likely that this kind of lawless murder or "accident waiting to happen" will be waged on Assange. It is ok for him to say it, because it is in the realm of possibility and he knows it. He is not speaking rogue.
In related news about lawlessness: (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22175)The obliteration of habeas corpus, the most necessary and important protection of liberty ever institutionalized in law and governing constitution, has become necessary for the US government, because a jury might acquit an alleged or mock "terrorist" or framed person whom the US government has declared prior to the trial will be held forever in indefinite detention even if acquitted in a US court of law. The attorney general of the United States has declared that any "terrorist" that he puts on trial who is acquitted by a jury will remain in detention regardless of the verdict. Such an event would reveal the total lawlessness of American "justice."
The United States of America, "the city upon the hill," "the light unto the world," has become Nazi Germany. It was the practice of the Gestapo to ignore court verdicts and to execute or hold indefinitely the cleared defendant in the camps. The Obama regime is in the process of completing Dick Cheney's dream by legislating the legality of indefinite detention. American law has collapsed to the dungeons of the Dark Ages.
How true and it's much worse than even your post lays out as the Intel/tech developed since WW1 right up until today has
enabled the fist in glove approach to the Homolan Security fascist state we are now in.
A sad end to the "freedom experiment" you were force fed in your "studies".
We have an empire supported by the complete aggregation of power in an god like president and as long as one can feed the family and save for a secure retirement that's all the sheep require and they don't really want to know what needs to be done for that to continue.
The slobs at the bottom can be excused for they have always been such and have no escape in the main.
Now those who have the means but refuse to act, well they are a different type. They are the taxpayers that support the American Gestapo state.
To point at people that are nothing more than serfs maybe good for a laugh or make you feel ok but you will not escape.
No matter where you run or how many rounds you have in your safe.
what a fucking asswipe!!.....this is interesting....harper - ignoramous of the first kind - has just confirmed that the usa is a leading purveyor of murder and mayhem but also confirms that it uses mk-ultra brain washed artichokes to carry out its murder schemes.
sirhan sirhan and john lennon's murderer were both "drones" as harper puts it. and of course the cia / bush crime syndicate was behind both of the murders.
i wonder what other secrets the murderous harper has to reveal.
god bless assange!!
This article highlights exactly why Wikileaks is probably connected to the establishment. If it was the case that WL was that much of a thorn in the side of officialdom, then they would have been shut down after their first 'disclosure'. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to then conclude that they want it around, or they're using WL while it's still useful. If you're wondering if we actually have the capacity to disappear people See ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Special_Operations_Command .
Please stop. That doesn't even make any sense.
Those familiar with intelligence agency techniques and tactics
must be aware of the potential that Assange is (wittingly or
unwittingly) facilitating a "limited hangout" (partial disclosure
with the intent of influencing public opinion, without disclosing
anything that would push public opinion in a direction in the
opposite direction. For those unfamiliar with "tradecraft" it's
time to go get an education about three-letter agencies and
their extensive networks of journalists and media outlets (once
known as "The Mighty Wurlitzer") used to give credence to
irrelevant information and even disinformation.
Assange with transcripts of bugged Bilderberg conferences ...
now there would be a real coup.
Please stop. They wouldn't use the Internet for this. They would at least give the story they want to NPR and The Christian Science Monitor.
Why be surprised if a Canadian leader voices support for what US leaders ARE ALREADY DOING?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21922
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21944
How many know Bush issued an executive order asserting the right to seize ALL your assets , if you were suspected of potentially posing a threat, or declared to be directly or indirectly undermining the Lebanese government?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6480
Obama won't be outdone by Bush.
The current US administration continues in the footsteps of previous administrations by expanding the police state powers and police state legislation.
The Obama administration not only claims the right to kill US citizens without trial, but to do it in secret!
Along with that, the legislation keeps expanding the definition of “terrorist” threats and support, direct or indirect, intentional or not.
This may be a small point, but the Obama and Bush and Clinton and every admin since I have been alive has claimed the right to take out by whatever means ANY ONE ANYWHERE on just a presidential whim.
No citizen of any country is spared this "finding".
We do it all the time and it no more started under Bush than the sun set for the first time upon his election.
This gvt, yes your American gvt has given itself the right to instant death without appeal at anytime.
And yet the sheep graze.
In all fairness I have called for placing a Templar aperture in the sides of the heads of clinton, rubin, bernanke, paulson, geithner, kashkari, fuld, fink, scheinberg, friedman, yellin, cohan, kogan, dudley, cox, bush, lord blankfein, dimon, lewis, thain, cassano, schumer, frank, dodd, gramm, madoff, bliley, mack, and a whole herd of other odiferous, beady-eyed criminals running the world economy into the ground.
All's fair, but hope Assange escapes to rip the walls down on all this secret bullshit, the combined weight of which is crushing us.
Unfortunately, I fear that humans today are far too removed from reality, and from physical action.
I suspect that, even if everything was revealed, including 911 was a false flag operation by the USSA, that Kennedy on orders from the FederalReserve, and anything else you can imagine... that amercians would just sit there, watch the news, then go back to their soap operas.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
Re your comments within:
Guest Post: R.I.P, Homo Economicus: On the End of Ubiquitous Poverty and the Beginning of Universal Abundance - by Tyler Durden on 11/24/2010
by honestann
on Thu, 11/25/2010
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We are of a similar mind honestann.
I realized/discovered almost 10-years ago that 'finite' does not exist except within the confines of the human skull.
Minus human beings, there simply is no such invention as 'finite', as a material independent fact. The only finite there is comes into being as the mental boundaries we draw around 'objects', that we mentally fabricate, in order to manipulate them in logical progression.
But as you point out, we are creating mental objects with no material basis, and still trying to be logically manipulative with those also. And then we end up with the "collective-insanity" that Cog-Dis described and we wonder why we 'make sense', even though what we come up with when doing that, is in fact insane.
The fact that we can still logically 'make sense' of what we did, is why we then give the resulting abstract fictions credence and accept them as "also real".
We are in trouble when we can't understand the limits of thought of abstraction and of logic. And I would say it is not just the predator class that are pushing this abuse of the mind, people everywhere are doing it independently, because they simply don't know WHY it looks so clever, but is in fact, essence-of-stupid. We get a kick, our 'ego' surges at seeing the cleverness of our little unreal abstraction, and thus we assign credence to it and try to convince others it is real, via explaining its logic, whose basis is purely dependent on the false imagined objects of mere language. Having long ago forgotten that language was originally simply the assigning symbols to represent real things that we could all see and mentally turn into objects, to manipulate and place in a meaningfully useful (and profitable) logical context.
It's a basic cerebral assumption that there's 'finite', even as we create those purely verbal 'objects'.
But going back further, we have especially forgotten that in order to mentally generate the 'objects', which we then verbalize to manipulate logically, we first had to abstract an imaginary 'finiteness' of discreteness between objective things. Highly successful objective thought and science was the outcome.
But the effect of this overwhelming assumption that finite actually exists now over-rides true 'grounded' sanity, and replaces it with artificial sanity, the fake version that Cog-Dis described with a waterfall of words, but from the reverse perspective, several months back.
That cerebral belief or acceptance that finite does exist, as an independent fact, is the origin of our capacity to construct words, and then the even more fake-world of the thought-language abstract 'reality' that results as the 'progressive', 'advanced', 'modern' human mind. All of which are nonsense.
We have not progressed or advanced mentally, we have mostly derailed ourselves. We gave 'education' of abstraction of abstraction the preeminence, without learning that process is limited.
It has actual limits.
We love to imagine (abstract) that it has no limits, that it can do no wrong, that it will never lead us astray. And that is the nub of the collective insanity that results. We need to learn when and how thought and language and logic break down.
They don't teach that at University. But originally, UNI-VERSITY in Hellenic Greece was the place where you went to learn about UNI.
UNI = ONE.
It was a place where you learned about the literal lack of two, in real terms. In other words, there are no actual limits, no finiteness, except in our internal concepts.
Learning THAT, was the 'HIGHER EDUCATION' of the first genuine UNI-versities.
But now look at what passes for 'higher education' and what pathetic disgusting vocational and career-aggrandizing 'educational' coffins and scams call themselves - 'Universities'!
The system of higher-learning was corrupted and misappropriated during the Renaissance and it has never recovered, and the Universities since then have been exponentially descending into farce, with the parabolic curve taking off since WWII. It used to be each generation, then each decade, was an order of magnitude more stupid than the last, but now each year is an order of magnitude more stupid than the previous.
This system is broken, a massively over-priced under-performing facade of intelligent utter stupidity/insanity.
Those who attempt to suggest that a University is a place where the actual oneness (total lack of finiteness) is the meaning of 'higher-learning', are considered outrageous heretics and not to be given any place, or even a moment, or any second precious abstract thought.
Fuck-off, and don't come back, we want to play with theories here, we are not interested in any notion that says everything we think is actually implicitly flawed, and has real limitations, and we sure as hell are not going to teach anything like that!
And so we must learn ourselves to comprehend the world in which everything is interpreted as UNI, as infinite, not as the finite-based objective verbal 'episti-mythio' (as the Greeks aptly called it thousands of years ago), which we now refer to as 'memes' (and think we discovered them first) and as abstracted 'objects' in logical thought, the artifacts of mere delusions that have no remaining relation to anything physically actually or DIRECT - not abstracted to word symbols.
The very act of creating and using words is implicitly the concentrated narrowing of our mind from the actual finiteless state of perception, to the fake finite-based mode of objective thought, in verbalisms, that express ideas as uttered abstract imagination that then provides a reassurance that it's also 'real', via proving to be materially useful to us, in many ensuing ways. Thus shallowly 'verifying' its validity as its own construct.
You can't physically land on the moon unless you do it abstractly first. We did, ... and we did. It worked! A mental and physical triumph. That sort of 'advance', or 'progress', leads to a constant self-evident presumption, that becomes all-consuming of the mind. The starting presumption that separate things as objects is intellectually and also materially 'real'.
But anyone who has studied the physics of light and matter interactions and transpositions know nothing is physically, materially separate. Everything material literally grades, and extends into everything else materially. There is no edge to any 'object', because all such objects are actually continuously, furiously and very actively absorbing light and particles and also emitting light and particles, into everything surrounding it. It is an endless exchange. The object in a very real sense is indistinguishable from all that is around it, at the particle level. A scale beyond the human eye's sensory perception scales.
Which thus reveals the falsehood of our mental 'finite' based presumption of discrete material objects of our epistimythios and the fakery of the resulting 'objectivity' we profess to exert which makes us 'clever', and assert a 'confidence', that makes us feel 'sane' and 'advanced' and very 'progressive', in our limited and innately flawed thinking process.
It is a false presumption from the beginning, the reality is profound ignorance, having not explicitly understood, nor even received a 'higher-education', into why thought is innately limited, innately deluding, innately always going to construct a 'progressive' reality and social construct that is not even materially viable, let alone makes sense.
So here we are in 2010. Who can deny that we have done this?
We revel in the notion of the all-powerful imagination and credit it with great authority, wonder and achievement, but failed to realize that when it's left to run its own affairs as though it is innately INTELLIGENT, and also WISE, everything becomes implicitly finite-based, and entraps, and implicitly distorts, to cause our minds to acquiesce and come to believe in the fake, as though it too were actual.
Just try telling people their imagination is their greatest enemy!
They won't even consider it, even if true. It's the fake 'finite-based-mind' that calls the shots within such evaluations, and any thing that calls its whole basis into question, is out! Fear shuts our mind tighter than a clam if it's logical objective basis is ever seriously questioned.
That would be pure madness! - Right?
It is this fake finite-based part of us, which we believe > IS < us, that says; yes it's so, or, no it's not so.
But a thing is or is not, independent of us.
What do we have to do with CHOOSING actual facts? We can logically only choose between what are false 'facts', artifacts of a confused and unaware mind that never really learned that thought has limits, and grasped what those limits are.
But we insert our 'selves' in between facts and fiction (as a further fiction) and then assert we have something to do with deciding what are facts. So we presume that objects and objective thought are ultimately valid, and thus fail to grasp its actual independent limitations, that the cerebral invention of finite, in the first instance, is the mother of all illusions, and of all 'objects', and is intrinsically going to limit our understanding and logic to a finite-based interpretation. For the tool that is though is in fact finite-based - implicitly narrow - like looking down a straw at an ant.
Which means, the actual clear way to seeing and understanding, and to exhibit actual intelligence, and the emergence of DIRECT Wisdom, is to see the actual, minus finite, minus the abstraction's narrow field. To deeply understand that there is not finite, there just the elaborate cognitive illusion, which we were innately culturally taught to presume, in order to even learn to speak, via symbols as utterance, and to gain abstract knowledge thereby. We think this provides 'meaning', and it does, but only within the limitations of that crude process.
We do it so easily that we don't realize we are doing it anymore, always seamlessly creating fake limits, cerebrally, as a matter of course. We have not the slightest hint that it is not the mind at all, it is just a USE of the mind, a tool of it. We are mostly convinced it is the whole deal.
Unless you discover it isn't.
So we ordinarily implicitly require that we accept all objects have a beginning and an ending or 'dimensions', measurable discrete size and existence independent of us, but we fail to grasp that it is us who are making all such boundaries.
I suspect you understand this, firsthand, Honestann (or is it Honest-Ann?).
This is something that can not be taught or communicated, for others that are unaware of it will never grasp the independent reality of it, unless they discover it, themselves. It all comes back to what we do, it is our duty to ourselves to learn - directly.
I realize almost no one ever does.
Hence cognitive fakery is predictably ubiquitous.
So, I agree, 99.999% of people will always be operating from the finite-based objective thought perspective (and thus afraid because a finite-based cognitive slight-of-hand called 'me', actually will end, but actual things that don't have finiteness, don't have and end, hence no fear) and therefore, they remain entrapped in the fiction created by the assumption that finite has true existence and reality, rather then seeing directly that it is being purely invented, as the mother-of-all-abstractions. The very source of the process of making illusions in objective thought processing.
Finite is the Master Abstraction, the layer upon which all others must be and are indeed founded and constructed.
There is a passage in the New Testament, in 1st Corinthians if I remember correctly, it's been several decades since I read it, in which 'Spiritual gifts' are described. The "greatest gifts", as it turns out, are "the gifts of Knowledge and Wisdom".
And it says that if you ask for these, God can not deny them, they will be given. Which implies you actually would have to spend your life learning, and most people don't realize the catch in asking for that 'gift', so never get it 'given' to them. It takes personal balls and tenacity to receive that gift. It has to be the priority, or it is not going to happen.
Now keep in mind that, it refers to 'SPIRITUAL' gifts. Now have you ever considered knowledge and Wisdom to be 'Spiritual'? Well, maybe Wisdom is associated with Great Sages and Holy-men on mountain tops or in caves, but knowledge as Spiritual?
Nope.
But what is 'Spiritual', for want of a much better word, and the total lack of any, is when this presumption of 'finite' suddenly falls away, the objective tool stops, and the fear of something that can 'end' evaporates, because it has no reality outside verbal construct, no actual existence in a finiteless and endless state of ACTUAL mind.
The non-abstracted.
That is the end of finite. The end of that giant facade generated within us, and the ending of its fear or ending, with the discovery of the actual gift of 'Wisdom', that has no relationship with words, or the 'finite', that created a 'Hell' of bland fakery.
I guess that could have been be described and transcribed as a 'Spiritual Gift'.
The Author of the post you commented within is right, abundance is inevitable, it always is. There's no shortcut and no free-ride to getting to that though, and everyone has to do their own work, to get to the gifts. You just can't cheat to get to it, and that is something the Pigmen can never have, will never find, can not buy, will never steal, and won't even know about.
The Meek do in fact 'inherit the World'.
And curiously, pursuing such a gift is also an act of 'Faith', for want of a better word, and the total lack of one, as is the abandoning of all beliefs, in order to do so, and then discover that belief was irrelevant.
I'm a Geo, and have the fantastic benefit of a sense of the extent of geological history, the incomprehensible duration perspective. This solar system's germination was billions of years in the making, and then another 4.2 to 4.5 billion years to get the Earth of now. Vertebrate life took off about 570 million years back, and early human variants around 3 to 4 million years ago, and technical 'civilization' within a few scores of generations, and modern action-at-a-distance technology within the past ~115 years.
I'm middle aged. And I have ZERO intention of spending a moment of the rest of my life in cahoots with, or subservient to, the abstractions of others. Whether Govts, States, Pigmen, Courts, society, or social 'norms'.
That stuff is the fecal matter on the floor of the cave that is 'developed' world life. Developed it is not, because the people of it have almost all not developed past the level of the initial cognitive tool's use, and most are very poorly skilled at even there!
I intend to take what I need to live from the planet's abundance, I don't need an ideological excuse, I don't need or seek anyone's permission, and I have no intention of suffering fools who try to force me to do otherwise, or who disapprove of what I ELECT to FREELY do. I don't need to make amends, as though I were being selfish or inconsiderate. There is no divine crime being committed, no 'Sin' in my being.
It would not be wise, nor healthy for anyone to wave their mental phantoms at me and attempt to insist on my discipline and compliance.
Silence is the greatest blessing in life honestann, but I expect you already knew that.
Sounds like you stepped outside of Plato's cave (for a moment at least!).
Be still and KNOW that Iam God.
The Plato's story of the cave is so prescient of right now.
The most significant part is where he had to go back in, to make a few things clear to those who would rather he didn't bother. And who also are not equipped to grasp what he says, thus the struggle to communicate meaningfully to the trogs that they are in a 'cave' and that there’s a not in a cave state, and a big bright thing that eliminates shadow and displays directly.
The Socratic tale is so, it alludes to what is actual, it is not merely a cute story.
Here is a funny comment that relates to "plato's cave".
I had one contract for NASA and AFRL that in essence was measuring the positions of LEO, MEO, GEO debris and satellites with ground-based optical telescopes, then computing orbits from the observations. This was part of a wider goal to be able to determine not only positions and orbits, but also as much about the objects themselves as possible (size, shape, rotation rate, etc).
Well, I worked on various aspects of the project the ways they were approaching it, but also tried to figure out whether there was any way to "do better". I know you are scientific enough to realize atmospheric turbulance and the diffraction limit of optical systems makes detailed resolution of objects at 200km to 50,000km extremely difficult. I worked on various forms of image processing to drag out as much detail as possible, but wasn't really much help on this part; they really had already pretty much reached the limit of what is possible with conventional imaging technology.
To cut the story short, I finally did figure out a way to achieve much higher resolution. In fact, better than 100mm resolution of objects in GEO orbits (~40,000km).
The funny part is, I realized that the technique involved was more or less analogous to "plato's cave". In this case, the total, insanely silly absurdity was, this kind of amazing resolution was only possible to achieve by observing from inside "plato's cave".
I am tickeled pink when analogies invert like this one. Just thought you'd enjoy laughing at this.
Wow! I don't know where to start, or whether I should even try. So I'll just make a few observations about what happened in my consciousness as I read your message, and hopefully not get too carried away.
I'll start at the end. Yes, indeed silence is golden. For the better part of a decade I lived alone on a remote mountaintop at a scientific facility. I'd see humans about once every 1 to 3 months when I went to get supplies. So I had plenty of silence in the verbal sense, though the [up-to] 150 mph winds made plenty of noise during winter storms, and of course animals made their [mostly] gentle and subtle noises often enough. And indeed, probably I made more intellectual progress in those years than ever before.
I'm sure we are both fully immune to intellectual manipulation by others... we've simply observed and understood too much for that.
I wish I could make a coherent response to your message, but don't think I can. We are both the kind of thinker who can only be grappled with by extended two way conversations... something like brainstorming. But even if we tried that, we'd surely need to get used to each others way of conceptualizing many of the most fundamentals aspects of reality and consciousness. That's because conventional "meanings" for abstract terms are so often quite opaque, misleading, and just plain wrong. So people like us have either had to coin our own terms (I resist this as much as possible), or carefully choose what each of our concepts means to correspond to our best understanding of existence (part of existence being consciousness). This is such a difficult, long-term task, it is no surprise two independent minds like ours would end up with different terminologies, different analogies and different ways of trying to communicate ideas and concepts. I can see that has happened here, even as I can infer some of your formulations correspond to other formulations that I prefer. Which makes a linear reply here "dangerous" in the sense it might generate more misunderstanding than understanding.
I see the concept "finite" (and presumably "infinite") are important to your way of understanding existence. The equivalent term for me is probably "unlimited", because I dislike the implication of "unlimited" less than "finite" and "infinite". For example, I consider the universe to be "unlimited", not some idiotic big-bang-blob (finite), and not "infinite" either. Actually, at a deeper level, I realized any of those concepts is at least mostly unsatisfying, once I figured out that both "time" and "space" are fictions.
Perhaps what you are trying to designate parallels this understanding that I've come to. Everything in the universe is "connected" in the sense that it interacts. And every sub-atomic "particle" is actually something analogous to a standing wave --- a stable pattern in a dynamic field. In fact, these supposed units look quite similar to the 3D energy profile of the image of a point source (distant star). This is the "diffraction disc" of a perfect (diffraction limited) optical system (the "airy disc"), which is more-or-less already accepted to be that kind of "standing wave" (though I've never heard anyone else say it that way). This view likely appeals to me because I wrote optical design software decades ago (my first software program in fact), and was the first human I know who ever had their software display these interference pattern images (as opposed to the conventional "spot diagrams", which take far less time to compute).
For a few years now, I've been spending as much of my spare time as possible understanding and starting to work on inorganic consciousness. The fellow who first fully understood abstract conceptual consciousness, plus the architecture and processes to implement this with computer, software, sensors and robotics made a working prototype 10 years later in 1998... a "proof of principle" of sorts. It was smarter than human consciousness, but vastly slower (especially sensory perceptual level processes, but not "higher level" processes). Vision in particular was very slow, as it deals with an endless stream of images composed of several million pixels each. Of course computers are lots faster now (12 years later), we are implementing fundamental, low-level image processing in hardware to speed the vision systems, and the overall architecture is redesigned to be more efficient and 100% generalized (all "hacks" removed).
When I realize what the consequences of this work will be when complete, my mind boggles, and it is so exciting. But mostly life is grueling and frustrating because we cannot get external financing without a 99% risk of having the technology stolen by some government or corporation (or madman like Soros?). He would rather destroy the technology than let the predator class have access.
Anyway, the funny thing is, consciousness is not that complex... even human-level consciousness. Yet it seems that nobody "gets it". Much of that come from humans thinking the "mind" is some kind of "mystical non-material thing", but that can't explain it all. And we all laugh at the field called "AI", because "inorganic consciousness" is not "artificial", and "intelligence" is so vague as to be pointless. Amazing how stupid humans can be... to not even clearly identify what they're interested in (namely, "inorganic consciousness").
Your way to talk about "memes" is not how we think. We have heard that term, but we never read "the literature" in the field. Why should we? We're light years beyond what others are doing. But one way to conceptualize abstractions is as "file folders". When we say or think the abstract concept "animal", what is that other than a "file folder" that can contain other "file folders" plus (getting to the point) observations and experiences of those real, physical existents (portions of the universe) that we have encountered?
This helps separate the "objects out there" from the "mental units" that contain our experiences of the objects out there from the "category file folders" that contain those mental units (and other folders). One reason our inorganic consciousness is "smarter" than human consciousness is simply that the algorithms make it impossible to confuse what each is, or to confuse where any element in consciuosness came from in the first place. Thus a "verbal claim" is always processed as a "verbal claim" (no substance), not as true, fact, knowledge, understanding or anything else. Because humans more-or-less collect and relate endless unlabeled, unverified, unprocessed mental units, their processes of consciousness are inherently "insane".
One funny experience that you've probably had too is the tension in our minds about "fiction". I find myself railing against "fiction" all the time. Yet, at the same time, fiction is one of the most wonderful intellectual capabilities imaginable! I mean, really! If we couldn't imagine objects and processes that do not yet exist, then we would all be living in caves, and nothing new would ever have been invented!!! We must imagine and speculate to advance... intellectually or materially. The problem with fiction occurs, of course, when humans don't carefully recall the intellectual status of their mental content, and put fact, lies, fiction, claims, propaganda and endless other garbage into their consciousness, and run their intellectual blender. What comes out is usually just the endless insanity we see every day. Of course, the "blender" is my analogy for "conscious processes", and many mental processes that humans have habituated are completely invalid and wacko.
I'm happy to say that I've pretty much totally untangled my consciousness at this point. Sure, I still catch myself starting to execute some stupid intellectual process that I habituated long ago, but I catch them almost instantly now. That doesn't make me able to "think smarter" really, but it does prevent me from wasting endless years or decades of a lifetime executing pointless, self-destructive mental processes. This is a kind of refreshing feeling that I can see you have also (where you say nobody else is gonna manipulate your thoughts).
The fellow who invented inorganic consciousness told me that one key decision he made very young was to "let reality drag me where-ever it wants to go". His point was, his "prime directive" is to understand reality as well as he possibly could, with no bias of his own about how reality "should be". He pointed out your mind cannot want both and work, because they directly contradict each other. And that's right. We can't make any cool new technology out of a reality we imagine in our minds, we can only make cool new technology out of what exists, and the actual natural of reality. Of course, once we do understand reality, we can decide what kind of cool gizmos to create and invent our brains off. So we have plenty of personal choice... just not about the fundamental nature of the universe we live in.
I guess you could say I'm an "astro". I totally fell hard for astronomy when I was 8 years old, which led to endless other sciences (optics, physics, computers, software, mechanics, space-sciences, you-name-it). And it gave me an even more astronomically huge perspective than you, perhaps. Hell, what's one little planet and a mere 5 billion years? Hahahahahahaha.
You want to hear something really funny. Since we know how to make better and smarter than human consciousness with purely inorganic components, and the rest of the universe seems to be mostly inorganic as far as we can tell so far, and the inorganic systems are vastly superior (immortal, in fact, since worn-out parts can easily be replaced, and periodic backups are easy to make)... we wonder whether we should waste space in our inorganic conscious beings to put the massively large quantity of more-or-less pointless information about the wealth of organic creatures that exist, their behaviors, their characteristics, etc. At the end of this conversation we [so far] always decide to include this information, we figure the first thing we'll do once we're finished the next implementation is... leave this freaking planet... to escape the insanity of organic beings (primarily mankind).
Doesn't say much for the creature that humans so covet, does it? Humans are so homo-sapio-centric! From our perspective, however, we are rather homo-sapio-revolted! Not to be mean, though. In the end, we both estimate inorganic consciousness probably would never evolve into existence. At least, we don't see inorganic mechanisms that could evolve to the level we're at (where we can create highly advanced conscious beings by design). So maybe the long-term legacy of earth, and mankind will be... as a stepping stone. That's how it appears to us.
We've taken this even further, but I suspect I better stop here... for more reasons than one. Nothing I've said so far violates my confidentiality agreement, but going much further might. I'm not gonna risk that. So, from one honest humann to another... thanks for your long and interesting message. I wish I could comment on other parts, but our way of encoding our understanding requires a bit more translation.
Thank you, you sound a very interesting person I would like to meet. I would have definitely gone for Astro as well, only my Uni only had Geo. I came to the conclusion Earth is basically a giant ball of fertilizer, a sort of giant cosmic stellar cow-crap, that fertilizes the self-organizing detritus which emerges as the organisms it makes, and thus the mind potential is materially expressed.
I don’t under-rate human thought, I just know it is flawed and that needs to be understood, but as you say, it’s a blender, not a linear schematic.
I wish we could talk at length. I also have done a LOT of work on solitons but as +/- anisotropy (in then out then in then out, add infinitum, no attenuation, at speed c within its wavelength, which can be any) of a physical material space itself. It's predictions are testable and expresses emergent properties (out is repulsion, in is attraction, thus E-M of space itself, that is, hence 'force') and can be modeled in detail to emerge particle geometry and phase, observed interaction behavior and mechanics, and 'force'.
...but back to the financial apocalypse.
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PS. That's not a 'Dalek' you're making ... right? ;-)
No, not "Dalek". Sorry, I had to look up "Dalek"... never heard of it before. But that's not surprising, we do not bother with "the literature". Which reminds me of one interesting historical fact about the project I'm working on. The inventor/discoverer/developer of the technology was not trying to develop AI or inorganic consciousness or anything remotely like that. He was trying to understand his own consciousness under the assumption understanding it would enable him to operate his consciousness more efficiently, to understand reality in general, and perform his work (with computers, software and various sciences).
A year or two after he pretty much totally understood human consciousness (with a strong focus on "what works well", not psychology or "defective processes"), he had one of those light-bulb over the head moments when he realized, "Wait. I can implement this", (with computers, software, sensors, robotics). Which is why he succeeded --- he was not looking to find or invent some fancy electronics, computer or software scheme... he simply identified and reverse engineered the processes he wanted to implement --- namely "sensory, perceptual, and abstract conceptual consciousness". Of course, inventing an efficient and universal "information encoding scheme" (for lack of a better term) and overall software architecture was definitely non-trivial, but only took a couple years. You can get a somewhat vague and cartoonish (because it is extremely "forward looking") introduction at the web site that appears at the top of the page in a google of "inorganic consciousness". If what you see at top center looks cold, you found it. After two pages of long-term vision, you'll start to get into relevant information.
I guess I'm rather guilty of mostly looking past the life on earth. So I tend to see the earth as one gigantic ball of energy (mostly geothermal energy), with a very convenient crust of engineering materials on top. As a geo, I'm sure you've bothered to compare the quantity of geothermal energy within earth to the quantity of energy consumed by mankind given his wasteful ways. Ha! So yes to "peak oil", but "peak energy"? No way. And that doesn't even count solar and wind energy.
One wonderful thing about consciousness is... that when it functions appropriately, it works pretty damn well in "blender mode". That's mighty damn convenient, because healthy learning is via observation, and we tend to gain observations is fairly random order. Thus, we are well served by conscious processes that are naturally compatible with "blender mode". Of course, we struggle to organize our mental content coherently in many ways and dimensions, but that's perfectly natural and healthy too.
I forgot to say that we only know two things with absolute certainty. The universe exists, and the universe is not entirely static (to put it mildly). All the rest we (and inorganic consciousness) consider "provisional inferences", even though some of them are so unlikely to be discovered to be wrong that we tend to think of them as "certain" (for all practical purposes).
I have a little experience with anisotropy in limited contexts (material surfaces, 3D shader code, and I suppose polarization in optics and astronomical photometry and spectroscopy counts too). But I'm not even sure I've ever heard the term "soliton" before, though I have read descriptions of "photon packets" written by various physicists that sound rather similar in essence. It has been many years since I last squeezed my brain to the point of exploding over issues like the Bell's Inequality and such. So much context and my own thinking has diffused away at this point, I'm probably not capable of brainstorming these topics any longer. All I can say is, my conclusion about QM/QP is... the conventional interpretations are pure deception (attempts to equate aspects of measurement of phenomenon to the fundamental nature of reality itself).
I created a new, temporary email account at my ZH username at ymail dot com. You can contact me there and we can take this and similar conversations private. If I start getting bogus email, we can switch elsewhere later.
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guy is an asshole. with us or against us type of guy. dickhead.
I think the word you are looking for here is actually "fascist". Look it up if you don't believe me.
Tom Flanagan should go Duck hunting with his war-criminal mate Dick Cheney,
that way the world would be a better place and much safer for ducks too.
The old British empire is crumbling and all the cockroaches are coming out of the wood work. If it was not for people with guts like Julian Assange and Wiki-leaks to keep the Bastards honest,I would hate to think what this world would look like.
Tom Flanagan should be euthanized for his ignorance and for his stupidity.
His very remarks on the media are an attack against civil rights and freedom of
speech and information for all.Tom Flanagan wants everyone to live like Mushrooms,
being kept in the dark and fed on Bullshit.
Well Fuck you Tom Flanagan,you are an enemy of the people,you are an enemy of truth and information,because you fear that knowledge is power and Tom Flanagan you are a control freak who believes in a new fascist totalitarian World Order.
Tom Flanagan, you are a criminal Lunatic and I hope you will be soon euthanized together with all the other neo-con fascist cockroaches.
I've seen your avatar somewhere else, now where was that?.....
my flying pig has beautiful red Lipstick on,
your's looks like it could do with a bit of make-up ;)
your pig also needs some flying lessons,
it's flying off to the right in a rather nose-up radical turn
not very pretty;)
Sorry, my pig is straight, so no makeup. And isn't it "Straighten up and FLY RIGHT"?
I think your pig needs a bit of lipstick and maybe
a little blush on its cheeks and some mascara on the eye-lashes,
go on,live a little...
This guy makes me appalled to be Canadian.
No, it should make you appalled he is Canadian AND that he was not immediately arrested for treason and terrorism.
OUTING FASCISTS AMONG US....the Assange Leak adventure gets that done por lo menos!
this lowly Canadian, Palin (the female "stupid like me candidate") the Rep in N.Y. those labeling Assange a "Terrorist" reveal the truth regarding how the term terrorist has come to simply mean "those that disagree with the labeler's bourgeois-ocrati-fascist views".
State terrorism giving rise to counter-state terrorism a forgotten formula leading to the hollowed out meaninglessness of the now meaning hollowed out term "terrorism."
When "ruling class" types (or wanna be ruling class white trash ) label someone like Assange or even Al Queda "terrorist" the misnomer points back to them as fascists who use the fear of terrorist acts to keep them in power.
Really more social democratic than populist these turds use the label to feign being our protectors when in fact these terrorism name callers are the true terrorists within our society. Disinforming or ignorant they undermine Humanist values and freedom as they portray themselves as defenders of some vague concept of social order or correctness.
Hiding behind calling names as a means to 'label' unsettling acts like exposing the daily lies of our institutions and leaders they aim to afford themselves support among the equally ignorant masses (sheeple) they rely on for their power seeking and fascist objectives (scanner companies making money protecting us from hypothetical terrorists while violating our privacy and rights as Americans and other nation's people for example).
Perpetuating ignorance, the "stupid like me" stars perpetuate failures to understand what drives someone to so called "terrorist acts" preventing dialogue which would lead to an understanding this it is these fascists and demagogues who fostered the so called terrorists in the first place by crimes of the state perpetuated by their fascist kin.
These fascists feed off the illusion of terror for their own profit and to further their own form of terrorism which cultivates and exploits ignorance.
Who should really hang are these types -- Palin and the Canadian and the Rep from New York for crimes against the people and our freedoms and for the crime of fostering hate and ignorance to further their own ends. They should be banned from holding office in countries whose values embrace democracy freedom or justice since clearly their intent (with unfortunate realized success) is to undermine the very fabric of a society that lets them speak their disinformative sheep crap.
I think the gov wanted these docs leaked. All 215,000 of the TOP SECRET, ohh!!! documents.
Why,
Who the fuck wants to read through 200,000 docs? Nobody. If the gov , didn't want this leak; it wouldn't have happened.
They are not going down over a cyber punk; that's why Obama has "Shut down Net" powers.
This video is just "programing the public" about the up coming world war that has been already in motion.
He even ends with saying "this could lead to world war."
So Assange is the scapecoat being painted; for the upcoming world war;
Just like Obama will be the scape goat, when the dollar crashes next year.
200,000 docs also reminds me of the 2000 page finance reform bill. With so many pages, it is easier to hide the fraud.
Same with the 200,000 page Health bill.... reform/fraud bill? Who fuckin wants to read through 200,000 pages for a few crumbs that the worlds leaders already knew?
It's also a bit like 911 in that Bin Laden wanted the attack, or even "the credit" of the attack. CIA , and Bin Laden get what they want.
The gov, hand picked 200,000 docs, and handed them to Assange.
Assange gets his "Big Bad Boy" gratification and the Gov gets program the public about the up coming war. Assange may be trurned into a scape goat.
The chances of him being "assinated?"
About the same of the chances of Obama being assinated, to install Joe Biden as the mouth piece for the new world order.
I say about the same.
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Edward de Vere, Henry II
Silly me. I thought murder was illegal in Canada.
Then call it "national security", problem solved.
Nothing is either good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
Hamlet to Rosencrantz
/sarcasm off/
"It's a good thing western society, where due process used to mean something, is so much more evolved than that of Iran."
Hey, Tyler "Rand" Durden, do you really think so? I can give you a couple examples of why it's not that different. I could give at least one now, the fatwa of the War on Terror (where all the "faithful" serfs put their fate) and it's summary executions and violations of HHRR around the globe. But well, you should know better...
We are finished. The end is very near...
Un-Fucking-Real. Watching this is like reaching the top of a peak, looking out and seeing for the first time the breathtaking vista which is La La Land in all its glory. This man has taken leave of his senses, he is mentally ill, and no one in the room with him is willing to point that out.
OT- what really creeps me out about cable-leak is the fact that H. Clinton is instructing her diplomats to collect DNA from influential persons in their host countries. Think about the implications. I knew there would come a time when persons of wealth, celebrity, influence and opposition figures would have to start guarding their DNA. That time is now it seems. From now on anyone who can will have to detail someone to police up their cigarette butts, water glasses, chewing gum, spit, semen, hair etc. to prevent it from falling into the hands of their opposition and/or other nefarious actors in general. What do you think is the price of fresh Putin chewing gum at the US embassy in Moscow? Think about it.
Don't forget Obama'ss fatwa on Awlaki.
When the Canadians become pigs I fear all is lost. The denigration of their society must have been complete ever since the inception of the Canadaian "Human Rights" Commission. John Adams, in what would become the USA, defended the British soldiers implicated in the Boston Massacre, even though he was a patriot. He did this not for love of the British, but to show that the pursuit of justice is paramount in any system that respects human rights and rule of law.
Calls for assassination by the elite are far worse, even, than trampling for t-shirts by the unwashed masses. We have become rotten to core, top to bottom, inside and out.
Disgusting.
And the (painfully clumsy) spin...
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/12/01/flanagan-wikileaks-assange.html
and one other point or 2 about murderer harper...he is the psychological twin of daddy bush - he has the same contempt for the people he governs...harper's comments were planned and done in conjunction with the usa government....can you imagine a senior government official openly calling for the murder of someone who has revealed information which belongs to the taxpayers who funded it in the first place? fuck harper and obama....harper's comments were not personal - they are official government policy done with explicit support from the usa government....fuck these assholes...
Sick.
We're already afraid to speak our mind against the government for fear of imprisonment or worse. America has jumped the shark.
Flanagan is a true neo-con and, made this assassination comment on live television. Since it was very poorly received by the Canadian public he is now saying that he was being "glib" and trying to diminish the seriousness of his pre-meditated comment. I am not a lawyer, but I would think that there are laws in force in Canada that he can be charged with since he has clearly, and unequivocally issued a death threat. I don't care if he was joking. Unfortunately, I doubt that the Calgary police, RCMP, or Attorney General will have the gumption to arrest him. I am pretty sure that his theocratic protege, Tubby Harper, would prevent the RCMP or AG from acting, so it falls to the Calgary Police.
They hung'em at Nuremberg for less...
Canada is a terrorist nation.
Did someone give Julian tenure and piss this guy off? LOL
nothing new here.. as Plato once said.. Only the ruling class should have the right to lie.
Flannigan should be arrested and hung for both treason and terrorism. He already confessed.
So using Tom Flanagan logic anybody should be able to call for a 'hit' on him if does something to embarass them.
This guys is one sick puppy and evidence that these people see themselves as privelidge aristocracy and should be allowed to have killed anybody they don't like.
The US Govt is emphasizing the damage of foreigners reading it, to distract from what may/will happen when Americans read what WikiLeaks reveals.
That's the real issue Secretary Gates, not if foreign Govts will still need to or desire to deal with you.
That is the real danger for the Washington establishment. That is where the real damage and danger for them will come from.
This is essentially a peaceful network of civilians engaged in open information propagation to loosen the strangling grip of the artificial MSM version of 'reality'.
These people do not seek US destruction, or even harm. They seek the exposure of lies and of liars doing bad things to other human beings.
In that respect it reminds me of the G H Bush and the G W Bush's comments that, "this is not a war against the people of Iraq, it is a wart against Sadam and the Republican Guards", etc.
Let's face it, the US Govt may egotistically be lost in its own self-importance, but this is not about the USA, and not necessarily pertaining to it.
this is a group of both US and also foreign people who want the US Govt's behavior and also international relations to change in general, if it is shown to be proper and necessary.
As a certain Indonesian President once said, "If you think this may apply to you, then it probably does".
i.e. if the cap fits, wear it.
As we all know, if you tell someone the truth, a habit which I personally refuse to break and for which I pay for, as I just don't care for the alternative, be ready to run for your life, or at a minimum, expect significant change.
Truth is beautiful, I have a deep abiding love for it. You either have that spark that truth brings, which mostly looks like nothing good (more like deadly poison), or you don't. People who don't love truth, but avoid it or disparage it, or deny of flee from it or disallow it to be are not people I will ever suffer-gladly, nor quietly tolerate.
If that makes me seem a 'bad person', an anomaly, a naive fool, an 'untrustworthy' person, a rogue, a fucking pain in the arse, I'm definitely ok with it.
What truth brings is worth it, but try not to shoot the messenger in the interim.
The spreading of truth is definitely not a problem and if you think it is, you are my enemy because you are also my potential killer, and yes, we are not compatible, anywhere. I love what truth brings to this world, and I hate what the alternative brings. I have such faith in the rightness of Truth that I'm prepared to accept what comes, because I know it's always better than what the alternative produces.
I guess I do have 'Faith' after all.
That is what this comes down to. You probably think that is impossible, impractical. It isn't you just don't have the balls to do it.
What Assange and WikiLeaks have done has the US Govt acting scared because they are not prepared to accept what it brings, they prefer what the alternative brings.
As others here have pointed out, the total lack of prosecutions for overt and scandalous criminal fraud in the USA, for YEARS, in the range of hundreds of billions of dollars, tells you what's going on in the dark bowels of a degenerate Govt. These are not mistakes or oversights, this is the menacing evil that blossomed when protected by what the alternative brings.
There's an honest cost for loving truth, and allowing to do what it does, but a far greater cost comes from allowing the alternative to run amok.
And that's what most people here see and then comment on at this blog, and at ten thousand others and in courts, and in homes, and in storm drains where people now live.
I'm not a religious person, haven't been for decades, but where Jesus said, "Fear not", he was totally right.
If you fear Truth, you should "Fear not", because it brings a quality of deep beauty and clarity to everything it touches.
That's what Assange is feeling when he says; "...it is deeply personally, personally, deeply satisfying to me." - Julian Assange, Nov 29 2010. I'm combative too (very!), and I love "crushing bastards" as well, but I fully understood what he's trying to get across, it just doesn't convey well.
There is no pettiness in it, he's really trying to convey in words, to the reporter, why he does this, why it is so important to him, and why he will not stop. He FEELS what Truth can bring to the world. He's looking past the process to what it can deliver in due course. Unless someone shoots the messenger first.
But even then, Assange (etal) has bought a new and irreversible change from isolated spotty leaks to a deluge that will only get bigger, even if WikiLeaks were destroyed. No avoiding it now.
If state surveillance cameras are in our streets and we buy the state's story that they are there to maintain our shared good-behavior and safety, all over the world, and not just to keep us in line.
OK then, let's surveil YOU Big Brother.
Let's see if YOU are an Enemy - Foreign or Domestic.
Who will watch the watchers?
We will watch the watchers.
Welcome to the new North America. A hundred years from now in a classroom a teacher will be asking the class what caused the break up and implosion of American and Western society. Many of the students will come up with this or that answer but it will be real simple, we didn't pay attention to history and we where doomed to repeat it. The teacher will say that we where an empire (and not a good one at that) and we thought that we made our own reality. But in reality they followed the 5 stages of all empires.
Sao Paulo, Brazil 2110 AD
A typical and dangerous government hypocrite.
He'd be heaping on the glowing praise if the WikiLeaks spotlight were focused on someone or something he didn't like or didn't approve of.
But since this is a spotlight he can't control and manipulate, he wants it destroyed.
I'm Canadian... I'll be writing my MP calling for Flanagan's head.
BTW, just for the record, that was NOT CBS News. It was on the CBC - the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.
(Us Canadians almost all have tv in our igloos now).
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Classic Canadian conservative value-less trash hiding behind a professorship.
"The widow of Chuck Cadman, herself a Conservative candidate, has told an author and a broadcaster the same thing... "her husband confided he was offered a $1 million policy to sign on with Finley and Flanagan. This was confirmed by her daughter. And, finally, Mr. Flanagan himself says the meeting was desperate on his party's part and an excellent example of behaviour which is later deemed questionable.
Even if the insurance policy aspect cannot be proven, the prime minister admits his party representatives discussed financial consideration with a member of Parliament in an attempt to secure his vote. That is unethical and amoral. Soon the RCMP will determine if it might also be illegal." [ed: uh-huh]
Source: http://www.garth.ca/weblog/2008/02/28/shame/