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Updated Local Fallout Forecast
The scientists at the Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics (ZAMG) have released their most recent near-term forecast of Iodine-131 dispersion. The combination of local weather forecasting and emission prediction results in the following animated dispersion map. ZAMG's google-translated narrative: "Today there was a weak disturbance with light showers in northern areas of the impacted area, but no precipitation from Fukushima to Tokyo. Winds are from the northwest, rotating somewhat during the day on Southwest. The next morning a few weak showers are possible, but it will be mostly dry. Wind mostly from southern directions. The day after tomorrow a weather disutrbance is approaching that brings in the impact of precipitation. The wind will turns to westerly. The dispersion calculations show that today a potential radiation cloud of the southeast Pacific is transported to the so away from Japan. Tomorrow by rotation of the wind on the Pacific Southwest further transport to be expected. Tomorrow, inland areas may also temporarily be affected." Look for readings in Ibaraki prefecture, and in Tokyo, to jump should this happen.
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Never thought I would be checking the local radiation forecast every day.....
Sign of the times.
Tomorrow we'll have Braking Radiation of 50 rads in the morning followed by some fallout rain by noon, but we expect nice gamma rays to clear up the skies in the late afternoon.
Great, I love grilling to a gama ray sunset. The green hues are so beautiful
THE AIR IS FUCKING PURPLE!!
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I ain't gonna breathe no god-damn nuclear smurf farts, and have my gubberment tell me everything is fine.
Bullshit!
I don't know how they do things in Kenya, but we ain't doing no purple air in God's country.
It's gonna be funny to watch all the liberals begging to hide in my underground bunker and eat my ham!!
Tea Party!! 1776!!
You get an F on your trolling today, young man. You don't even know who your audience is.
I come here to fall out of my chair. Thank you.
I've heard there's new children's programming planned, a show called Yo Gamma Gamma
hope they do it french, german, and italian.
Professor Albrecht Schmidt at University of Stuttgart give odds at 1/9 the Europe will have a catastropic nuclear accident in the next 10 years. Here's how he arrived at that:
http://schnell-geschrieben.blogspot.com/
...and unless you are in Japan or very close by, there is no reason why you should be. Sleep well, sir.
Certainly your head should be fine as it's so far up your own ass that it should be safe from radiation.
And you are protected by your magic spinning red pill. Good for you.
In case you didn't know Team'ica: The 'red pill' doesn't protect, it only frees, the rest is up to you; those virulent red polyps pressing against your lips don't count, btw.
....or Massachusetts apparently based on the news from there this morning.
For anyone worried about their potential exposure...as I certainly am....here's a link with some dietary tips for minimizing radiation's effects.
http://www.herbsofgrace.com/Blog/2011/03/16/radiation-detoxification/
Sorry, don't know how to make that a hyperlink. Not shilling for anyone here, you can read for yourself and do your own DD.
Oh look, another astroturfing shill. At least they are all clustering in these TEPCO threads.
You may have seen the looping map of the radioactivity that has been created by Eurad at the university of Cologne, Germany As you see <a href="http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/03/27/rainwater-entire-contanimated-japan-nuclear-radiation-11860/"> here </a> some way down under "(potential) Fukushima caesium..." large areas of the United States were shown as having some 3 Bq/m3 on 27th. One day later, 28th, that site has modified its measurements scale and is showing the same areas of the country at around 0.03 instead of 3 as you see <a href="http://www.eurad.uni-koeln.de/">here</a>.
And remember Kids! Iodine is good for your skin! FREE FACIAL PEELING FOR EVERYBODY!!
THANK YOU HITACHI!
funny.... Hitachi actually means "land of the rising sun"...
They'd better change that in "land of the rising radiation"...
I think Hitachi means "rising sun". The "land of the rising sun" (or "source of the sun") is Nihon (also spelled Nippon).
If a Nor'Easter blows through, a lot of people are going to squeel.
Cue trav7777 to argue about trivialities of such minutiae as the toxicity of LD50 which no one gives a shit about. After that I will enjoy reading about how smart he is while he tries to insult people with complete lack of comic fodder. Then we can read about how he injects himself with plutnoium and that's why he's as smart as he is. I can't wait for the analagous "banana peel/plane ride" comparissons...I find those particularly humorous. Occasionaly we might be graced with something he pulled of an online physics forum.
Where's my favriote yellow dot pregnant with wisdom and grace?
Trivialities and minutiae? I think it matters whether there is an amount of radiation we should worry about or not. Understanding is the key to not being a mindless sheep reacting to the news of the moment.
And BTW, how toxic is LD50? Worse than WD40, I guess.
The fact that plutonium is being detected at all is the story.3 Arguing over how many micrograms will kill you is moot in my opinion. The bottom line is that the longer the reactor remains in it's current condition the harder it beomes to contain as the radiation levels continue to rise and become more dangerous. The fact that plutonium has just now been identified in the soil is horrifying news nd that it has been seeping into the food chain.
Also, whether or not plutonium is the most deadly substance is also moot. It fucking kills and maims in extremely small quanities and it is being generously introduced into the enviroment ad infinitum until that entire area is put under control (which there is no sign of happening)
....it's in the ocean, the rain, the soil, the food, the air. Anything to detract from that point is a distraction.
But you have leaped to a conclusion that "it is being generously introduced into the enviroment". The report only stated that it "has been detected".
It's the difference between being concerned and freaking out for no damn reason. Like this: "....it's in the ocean, the rain, the soil, the food, the air." Plutonium was in the ocean, the rain, the soil, the food and the air all the yesterdays of your life, and it'll be there in all our tomorrows as well. It DOES matter how much. More is bad, but unlike the hyperventiliating ninnies pointlessly swallowing their potassium iodide tablets, I actually give a damn HOW MUCH and refuse to panic.
Incorrect. It is an artificially produced element. (the guy could be over 70 you know... :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutonium
Plutonium was first synthesized in 1940 by a team led by Glenn T. Seaborg and Edwin McMillan at the University of California, Berkeley laboratory by bombarding uranium-238 with deuterons.
+100
Wish there were a "like" button.
Thanks!
Don't know if this will help but here is some good information on plutonium risk. Turns out the worst way to gain exposure is THROUGH THE AIR.
So if you find yourself downwind all one has to do is... wait for it... refrain from breathing! :)
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Li2x8v9qnkQJ:www.clarku.edu/de...
'round here not getting junked is the like button...
Fair enough - anyone born before the Trinity test might argue that, but fact is Plutonium was present in nature even before that first synthesis. Says so in the Wikipedia entry you linked...it is the heaviest of the primordial elements and exceedingly rare, but it does exist in nature.
Now let's calculate the distribution of Pu atoms in the biosphere and figure out the average number of atoms per human body. My guess is it is a number greater than zero...we've all got Plutonium in our bodies right now. I'd prefer not to, but given that it's (probably) already there the fear being expressed here on ZH that "I might be exposed" needs to be put in perspective. You very likely already have been exposed for a long time. So there's that to worry about. :-)
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Pu244 has a half life of 80 million years and is for all intents and purposes non-existent in the biosphere/ food chain or atmosphere.
Hardly as much of a radioactive threat as man-made 239.
Yup... we all have plutonium in our bodies right now... every single one of us. As for a threat to a single individual the current risk is miniscule. However when one multiples the risk factor (still increasing as releases are ongoing) by 6 or 7 billion planetary inhabitants over the course of their and their childrens lives...
Well I'm sure you get the idea... people will die of related cancers.
How many? Who knows yet. This party is still just starting IMHO.
But you are just guessing; you don't know.
There are people who I believe are far better guessers than you - they are called statisticians, and then of course there are epedemiologists.
Normally with nuclear power the chickens roost all over the place so it takes people with brains to detect them (BTW do you have the brains TeamAmerica?) however in this case the chickens have come home to roost mainly at the places from which they originated - namely Japan and the U.S.A.
Best to keep quiet TeamAmerica - I think you are out of your depth.
And please, no insults.
nah, Pu is found in nature in relatively tiny amounts.
Nuclear fission actually took place in nature too.
lol
Whether or not you want to put all your confidence into what is being "reported" is your perogative.
And if all this radiation is naturally occuring can I offer you some fresh tuna from Fukushima? Perhaps a brisk swim near the reactor. How 'bout a fresh glass of tap water from Tokyo? Maybe some fresh garden veggies from one of the near by prefectures?
I mean...if it's no big deal and all this is naturally occuring anyway....
Stop being an absolutist. Everything is relative - standing near a breached Japanese reactor is a very, very bad place to be. Stand in your backyard anywhere in the USA and in any reasonable practical sense there is no worry at all. Except for the meteor speeding your way, but hey, there are no guarantees in life.
I hear you and technically you may be correct. You have a higher chance of getting hit by a bus today than having a cancer occurring related to this particular ongoing release.
However any amounts of radioactive iodine, strontium, plutonium.... etc etc. are not what we want to see released into the AIR.
Better to hose as much of this radioactive crap into the sea as possible. Release into the atmosphere is the worst possible scenario. And yes I mean now TEPCO.
Why are you talking to this guy?
It's 'absolutist' to suggest that seeing as you're talking the talk you ought to walk the walk? Hunh.
I agree with you on the meteor thing though; freaking astronomers going gaga everytime there is a meteor shower on the way, even recommending we go stand on a hill somewhere and watch. I mean, last time I checked meteors (which are likely billions of years old and composed of who knows what travelling at mind blistering speeds relative to the earth), by the time they hit our atmosphere, are only a handful of kilometres off becoming meterorites...somehow seems like an odd sort of 'shower' to suggest your fellow man go out and stand under. Shouldn't they be reco'ing we head bunker-wise?
Regards
Whatever, dude. If you think I don't care about the Japanese it just tells me you haven't read all my posts. I can't expect everyone to read every thing I write.
Ever watch Meteorite Men? The vast majority of new meteorite material is found just lying on the ground, which is surprising. Everyone has seen photos of a roof or a car punctured by a steep-angle metorite, but in most cases you wouldn't need more than a hard hat to be safe.
Last I checked, reactors don't belch up fuel. The core is exposed to the air, as I said very close to the start of this crisis when radioactive zirconium was detected.
The spraying of seawater onto the breached reactor will cause them to begin corroding from the inside out, and FAST.
Stop conflating people talking about how bad it is going to be in Japan with those saying that the world is now a radioactive wasteland. Japan is fucked, and by being fucked, the world economy is going to fall apart.
Anyone know if Tokyo got any more deliveries of bottled water? Trav was trying to tell me and everyone else that I said that everyone in Tokyo was going to die of radiation poisoning within 6 days of a few days ago, but the reality is that I said that bottled water was gone, and tap water was contaminated, so everyone will indeed either die of thirst or evacuate within a week without a major shipment of bottled water.
It could be also from the spent fuel pools (rad zirc)?
The one bit of info I have seen that makes me think of a reactor breach is the neutron beam that was detected. That tells me there is fission. One hopes that it was a small reactor breach, and not the pools restarting.
pods
SFRs are known to sometimes undergo fission...read about the blue flashes from these things.
Also, Pu240 which is a reactor byproduct, spontaneously fissions. This is why atomic bomb material must be rigorously pure; any presence of this isotope could set the whole thing off
Well what worried me was the "neutron beam" that was reported. This to me indicates that there was significant fission. The Pu byproduct in the pools could reheat to sustained reaction, no? So if the neutron beam was detected that would mean there was nothing mitigating the release (water).
My worry is that operation bucket line was to refill the pools that were empty. The design of the SFPs put them above the reactor IIRC. If the rods were compromised, there would be a pile of material on the bottom, heating up. If they pools fail, there is a whole lot more to deal with in terms of keeping the reactors in cold shutdown.
Not talking end of the world, but this seems to be approaching Chernobyl. And in the world's former 3rd largest economy, that is bad news indeed.
pods
"conflating"...that's the $64 word of the day, thanks.
With all due respect, I've been responding primarily to those who seem to hold apocalyptic views of what it means to find plutonium in the soil on the plant site of a badly damaged nuclear plant in Japan. End of world or not? I think too many people read Nevil Shute's "On The Beach" (or more likely saw a movie version) and think they know something about it. Many ZH'ers then respond with knee-jerk reactions as if I've said plutonium makes a delicious sandwich spread, and the conversation devolves.
Nothing I said above is apocalyptic.
I said plutonium is extremely lethal in small doses and that it is now being artifically introduced into the food chain. I also said there is no reason to believe that it's release is being held back.
....is it not in the air, soil, ocean?
....is there anything preventing or slowing it's release into the enviroment?
If you think that's apocalyptic ferver on my part than perhaps you are in denial at the magnitude of the situation.
True, you haven't been apolcalyptic, but you're on your way to apoplectic. 'Plutonium in the food chain' for example. I know it riles people up, but I repeat - it's already in there in some quantity but somehow you're not dead yet. I'd prefer it was not in the food chain, but it is. More important, it's not very dang dangerous "in the food chain" because animals (like us) don't absorb the stuff through the gut and it winds up being expelled as waste. If you must worry about it, worry about inhalation because that's the most likely avenue where it would kill you.
So you tell me, what are YOUR personal odds of inhaling a significant dose of plutonium from the Fukushima Daiichi plant? Answer that question factually and show me how I am in denial about this.
So for you Teamy it's more of an "I'm all right so fuck all the rest" kind of attitude you think we should all adopt when it comes to, well, anything. My, my, that is quite the religion you've got there... Ayn Rand would be so proud, if she gave a ratz ass about you that is. No doubting your country of origin, no sir.
Bonne Chance!
"So you tell me, what are YOUR personal odds of inhaling a significant dose of plutonium from the Fukushima Daiichi plant?"
How the fuck could I possibly know that? That's thing with plutonium it's such a small amount that can do damage, we're talking microscopic. There aren't even any reports on the levels in the air...just "it's in the soil but don't worry it's safe"
You could make a reasonable guess by calming observing the facts. Unless you find yourself in Japan or nearby, the odds of that microscopic amount of plutonium reaching your lung are vanishingly small. Each of us is far more likely to be hit by lightning, and orders of magnitude more likely to die in car wreck or any of the other myriad daily dangers we face and take for granted.
Keep this in mind: "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." Something is going to get us, and I see that as all the more reason not to waste time worrying about the really unlikely stuff. Like that out-of-control airplane overhead, spiraling downward to impact who knows where.
Ok.
What if I was in Japan?
How many of our products come from Japan?
How much plutonium is enough to fuck your world up?
Regardless, back to my first question. What if I was in Japan? Would you say this is the future of their children http://tinyurl.com/68rudx8
If I was in Japan, I'd be outraged at the belated admission that there was a problem, outraged at the lack of information knowing there was a problem, and outraged at the seemingly glacial pace of material response to the event.
And if I was in Japan, at the moment I'd be far more worried about the caesium than the plutonium. I'd be finding a place far away from Fukushima. I would have already taken my potassium iodide. If I was in Japan.
That photoshopped chick with the double-butt (or is that a triple butt?) is disturbing. Hot or not? You be the judge.
I guess if this http://tinyurl.com/4eqsghj is what we have to look forward to, it's not all that bad.
+1 Proctological tour (anal exam)
Yet when people try to answer these questions for you, you derisively accuse them of "devolving into minutiae." Do you want the facts or don't you?
Sure.
What are the facts?
I said originally that this would be 1,000 times worse than Chernobyl. You refuted that.
Do you stand?
I'm not going to make wild speculation without facts.
1000x worse than Chernobyl is a bit of a reach; I could see it getting worse than Chernobyl and I stated how that was possible and what would need to happen for that eventuality to manifest back at the outset of the crisis.
1000x worse means 1000x as much area contaminated, 1000x as many deaths, 1000x as much radiation released. Yeah, I pretty much am not "on board" with that lol
I think 12790000 people live in Tokyo alone.
What the fuck ARE you on board with?
Before you answer that question...how much more nuclear fuel was at Fukushima than Chernobyl?
How about "1000X the economic impact on the United States", you dumb fuck?
I asked you point blank a half a dozen times, but you always failed to answer that. Something you yelled at me for doing, even though I responded a few minutes later.
You don't post facts, you post insults, which is why nobody like you, and your comments get junked off the board.
You tire me. Just GO AWAY.
You stupid fuck.
I answered your question: THERE IS NO KNOWN LD50 FOR PLUTONIUM. There are only guesses.
Are you so fucking stupid as to not understand this yet?
NO, it is not 10ng, which is what you claimed. YOUR claim was wrong, like most of the claims you make. Why are you even still speaking? Do you wish to embarrass yourself further?
I also told you exactly how that 10ng figure was concocted and pointed you to external references for you to fact-check my claim. Yet, still, HERE YOU ARE claiming it never fucking happened?
Cliff, you are a CLOWN, got it? I post insults to people like you, who deserve to be insulted.
You continue to lie about what I said. I never once said "10 nanograms" I said 10 nanograms per kilogram. This is the only known figure for plutonium toxicity in humans. You can say all you want, but there IS NO BETTER FIGURE. Is it low, sure. But it's good enough as a rule of thumb. It means DON'T INHALE FUCKING PLUTONIUM, YOU DUMB FUCK.
Read my post below, then go die. Spare your children the embarrassment of having to suffer another of your racist diatribes. Trust me, they hate you for it.
Edit: You should read this thread before you got here. It was filled to the brim with calm discussion including many separate viewpoints. Then you turn up and everyone is arguing. You are a true force for evil in this world, sir.
+1 Borderline apoplectic (not that there is anything wrong with that)
Yes, there has been some, but the shill police (of which I do NOT consider you a member) want everyone who is concerned to basically just shut up and trust the governments of the world. I don't think I have ever seen anything like it on ZH. Trav and a bunch of people I have never seen post before just decided this was the issue they all wanted to ruin their credibility on for some reason.
I never read nor saw "On the Beach", though I did read the plot summary on wiki, and found myself hating it. The end of the world is bullshit. It will not happen, at least not by human hands (meaning meteor or some such, not some giant invisible man/pasta in the sky).
And I'm not sure what non-"Apocalyptic" view one can have of a reactor belching forth plutonium onto the ground. Since at least one reactor is breached, that one becomes much more difficult to work in/entomb. By the time they get it done, Tokyo is highly likely to have been irradiated, possibly multiple times, and possibly at high doses. The loss of Tokyo will trigger the collapse of the ponzi.
Hey, don't be dissin' the Flying Spaghetti Monster, tmosley. Pastafarianism is the One True Religion.
Plutonium on the ground is bad, bad thing. We can all agree on that. The point of dispute is really whether the news of the moment tells us that Tokyo is straight-up doomed. I don't see it yet. TEPCO and the Japanese media are just so damn slow and obfuscatory that we can't know if it was a lot or a little, and whether they tested a specific spot out of some knowledge/expectation of finding it or if perhaps it was just a random sample. Then we can wonder when it was released - right now, continuously, or in the acute event when one of the reactors exploded. That matters - is it still coming out in quantity or is the event "over". These things make a huge difference. Somebody who knows the real answer could make a lot of money on the Nikkei (by going long or short...that is the question).
I'm not going to short Tokyo just yet.
Good post. Excellent in fact. Not that you give a shit about my approval, but you offered several constructive points to consider when weighing the severity of the news. Now prepare to be junked to reasonableness.
It's like that old saying about media bias, if both sides think your biased against them you must be doing it right. If you are getting junked from both directions, you must be onto something.
Caution is good, and I short NOTHING in this market. Shorting a disaster like this is a sure way to get butt raped by the BoJ.
But keep in mind that this plutonium was on the ground a week ago. God knows what is going on now.
These types of people generally don't lie unless they have a reason. My guess is that they would rather the people in Tokyo slowly die of radiation sickness/cancer than have them flee and watch their nation collapse in their wake. The only alternative is that there is SOME radiation spreading over Tokyo, but not a dangerous amount, and they don't want people panicking needlessly. All the coverups seem to do more to damage the credibility of that theory, though.
These types of people generally don't lie unless they have a reason. My guess is that they would rather the people in Tokyo slowly die of radiation sickness/cancer than have them flee and watch their nation collapse in their wake.
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Spot me what the end-game is for coping with this disaster; I want details down to where every individual should be and bivouacked and for for whatever duration, while being employed in some meaningful way ...
Do it now.
Can't be done instantaneously? Why do you (seemingly) insist that others do the same? (I am demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.)
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The only alternative is that there is SOME radiation spreading over Tokyo, but not a dangerous amount, and they don't want people panicking needlessly. All the coverups seem to do more to damage the credibility of that theory, though.
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A safe bet would be that plans are being formulated/finalized for the next step for some eventual as-yet unrealized end-game by the Japanese govt as the degree of this disaster is being realized, perhaps without generating a massive stampede 'off the island' - that part would be debatable, but, the logistics of such a huge move of people and personnel must be planned or pandemonium will be the result ... all these things take time, and, on top of that, operate within the timeframe set by the cultural framework of the Japanese people (mindsets and prevailing paradigms need to be reset, set on a different course; a re-think done if you will) ...
Only credibility ruined around here is yours, Claven. Start with where you characterize those who have woodshedded you as being shills who want people to trust the government. Nothing is further from the truth, yet you persist in bullshitting.
You have 5.5 days "tops" and that was just one for the highlight reel. Nevermind the rest of them. Essentially all of what you say is total crap, sourced from your ass.
Stick to saying "buy gold," at least you got that one right.
Reactors may or may not be breached; there is more than one potential source of plutonium. The zirconium in the waste water suggests either a breach OR a failure in outflow piping. That it is downpipe in the turbine buildings strongly suggests the latter.
That the cores melted down was stipulated by TEPCO a week ago. That there were reactors possibly breached, jeez, who was it who talked about that...oh yeah, I was I who did when I noted the pressure readings matched 1 ATM about a week ago, maybe further back. I said "this is evidence of primary containment breach." In fact I said it more than once and I recall probably Sudden Debt making a crack about radioactive yen coming out of the ATM.
5.5 days until non-radioactive water is returned, not until everyone is dead, moron. If bottled water isn't brought in en masse, people WILL leave, as they are already. You said nothing to fear, but now we know that the drinking water isn't safe for ANYONE, not just babies.
I love how you claim there is more than one potential source for plutonium, and then you fail to say what it is. Par for the fucking course.
Sorry, punk, you are the only one who has ruined his credibility here in the last few days. YOU are the one who yelled at anyone and everyone, made inordinate demands, and consistantly failed to post any form of factual information.
YOU are the one who tried to shut down any and all conversation by claiming to be some sort of super genius that everyone should trust absolutely for some reason, even though you have been building excuses for government from day one. It was subtle, I will give you that, but it is out in the open now.
Also hilarious is that you think you can just say that you won the argument, as if that was the end of it. You also say that other people "woodshedded" me. Never fucking happened. They just claimed that I "fell on my face", just like you do, even as I have been proven again and again to be 100% right, as evidenced by my ever expanding net worth.
Sure, YOU were the one who said that. Let's see the post. I'll believe it when I see it. You have been telling everyone to shut up about this since day fucking one. Hell, just for grins, lets go a-searchin' for where you have been wrong yourself.
Here is example number one of you falling flat on your face. You were yapping on about how Chernobyl hardly produced any radiation in Oregon(e!). You apparently don't own a globe, or are else totally ignorant of prevailing winds and the fact that the world's largest mountain range was directly between the US and Chernobyl. If anyone did as I suggested and bought KI right away, they could have resold it at a huge premium, of they chose to. People near US nuclear reactors should have some anyway, since the government does NOT stockpile enough for a real emergency.
Let's go back a little further:
Hmmm, that's their only problem, huh? FACEPLANT.
Someone else posted this:
To which you replied:
Yeah, that worked out well for you, didn't it? Next you had this GEM:
Since then, we have found that Japanese DO loot (Kirin brewery for BEER, as well as numerous shops), and I myself went back and found pictures of whites looting in Katrina (you said they were "looking for food"--apparently black people don't eat, and then posted a video that had whites along with blacks looting a Walmart). Also, I have yet to find the post where you supposedly said that the reactors had breached. Even if it was a week ago as you claimed, that's more than a week later than Zerohedge, bitch.
Then, on the 13th:
Looks like you were smoking the Hopium (tm).
Little did you know that the radiation was too much for any work crews to handle, oh except that ZH had posted that the levels were already a 1Sv/hour. Also, "It doesn't look like an explosion to me"--lol. There was more of your vicious and totally wrong racist comments in the same thread, but I think we have covered that already.
I like this quote. It seems so cool, and calming. Except that you put forth the foolish notion that "catastrophe" can be "averted" here. Looks like another faceplant to me!
Now, for the time you started going off the deep end:
Turned out they were lying. At every turn, and at every possible opportunity. You start lashing out here, like a child, ESPECIALLY when the facts turn against you. So sad :(
But you said just a few days ago (above) that there was no way a meltdown could happen, that they would pump a river of borax through before it got that bad. You are now lashing out at people because your ass was WRONG. That's all there is to it.
You said all was well, for several days, even following the meltdown, claiming they could just dump borax on it. Your worst case scenario has happened, and you are still jabbering at the "moonbats", because you just can't face the fact that you were so totally and completely WRONG. I wonder how many faceplants that is now?
You are becoming hysterical yourself here, as more and more people call you out for being wrong, but you are unable to accept it. ANyone who says you are wrong is now the ENEMY, and must be belittled and smashed, by any means possible, even lies (as we see in your current post, where you lie by omission, conflating my comments on the lack of water resources, and exodus in pursuit of such with death by radiation, and exodus in flight from such).
Getting nastier. Now you are pissing on people for simple mistakes. Funny that you made the same mistake with the much more familiar gram just today.
no.
Here you have turned bitter. Again, because you were SO WRONG, and it's EATING at you. You instead characterize the people who CORRECTLY deduced that they were being lied to, and made the CORRECT assumption that the lies would continue for as long as possible. You claim that this is "salivation". Asinine. As you have pointed out so many time while trying to justify your sickening racism, what is, is. This problem isn't going away, and we told you that from the beginning. It will continue to leak radiation until they send in the suicide brigade to seal it up, or until enough radiation leaks out during southwestward winds that Tokyo is rendered into a ghost town.
Next is an interesting thread. I won't bother to quote you, because your posts were EXCELLENT. No outbursts. No shouting. No insults. Just calm, even discussion. You will notice, going through that thread, you got very few junks.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/radiation-ibaraki-rises-300-times-norma...
You think that your opinion turned on a dime in this particular thread? No, same opinion, but a much better approach to communicating it. Maybe if you would be less hostile, as you were in that thread, all the time, people might, I don't know, actually pay attention to you, and accept your constructive criticism, rather than spitting in your face.
Now, back to spitting in your face.
This is your problem, you wait for the evidence to come out. When it comes out, it's too late. Can you IMAGINE trying to get out of Tokyo along with 37 million others (with 1 million having already left) at the same time as a deadly dose of radiation is being sprayed across the landscape?
Again, you miss the point here. The landscape does not have to become barren for the world to "end". It only has to slow their economic output enough for the ponzi to end. This is something you consistently refuse to address.
To prove I'm not biased, here's one confirming your note about reaching atmospheric pressure, though it was about the suppression pools, rather than the core itself.
So congrats. It didn't last long, as you returned right to the abuse.
Christ, you just say any kind of shit, don't you? The Japanese government has been lying since day fucking one, and here you are calling people nuts for pointing out that simple fact. It's not a "conspiracy", it's a feeble attempt to CYA. You know, like you you try to CYA by going into super aggressive shithead mode.
There are about 40 posts like his in a single thread. Never mind that you are the one with the mad max jerk off fantasy of peak oil creating an unending economic depression. If you look at the actual thread, the full extent of the panic is people getting out of Japan, and some buying KI. That's it. You piss people off when you shove words in their mouths. Again, you are doing this because you are mad that they pointed out that you were wrong. Now that is true, you did say that. The thing is, you are talking down to everyone, as if they were all building fallout shelters or something. Here's a hint: the worst a panicing person in the US could do is buy some overpriced KI. So what? What kind of fucking "panic" did you think you were "saving" them from? You've got some kind of Messiah complex there, boy. Now here come the excuses for incompetence. Yeah, GOD did it. It had nothing to do with choosing an inferior reactor type, and placing it on a known major fault, and storing fuel on the fucking roof for 40 years. Shit, they could have used a damn breeder reactor and gotten rid of that waste AND been safer while providing cheaper power. But NOOOO, the governments of the world don't like that, so it doesn't happen. And you excuse them, just like you claim the current economic crisis is caused by peak oil, giving Bernankicide a free pass all the way. Well, I'm tired of this shit now. I'll leave ZH for the night with this last little one, Trav's true opinion of everyone here at ZH, and likely everyone he deals with in his sad little life:The funny thing about this whole scenario, is that if we could substitute "radiation" for "PM" your posts would bear a striking resemblance to those of a PM troll.
I won't dispute much of what you say. The problem is that you say them in order to inflame. Maybe in the beginning you had the intention of "setting things straight", but you know damn well that all you are doing now is picking fights. You have become a troll, at least on the Japan threads.
Perhaps your expertise would be better spent trying to comfort Japanese people with the knowledge that things aren't as bad as they look.
Hold on, pardner. Most posters on ZH engage in topics they find interesting and stay out of the rest. That doesn't make me or anyone else a troll. Engaging more than one person is not "picking fights". Nobody reads every thread on ZH (or at least anyone with a life...) so when particular types of mis-information get repeated, yes, I'm likely to jump in if I happen to be on ZH at the time.
As for comforting the Japanese people...not gonna do it. I'd be damn scared if I was in Japan, due to the lack of good information more than anything else. I'll just keep doing my best to keep the Americans reassured.
"Most posters on ZH engage in topics they find interesting and stay out of the rest."
Agreed. But many of the Americans you are "reassuring" aren't worried about a damn thing. They are pissed. They don't want radiation of their spinach, and your telling them it's a safe amount doesn't change their feelings. You know that, so when you spout shit about "One atom of plutonium....." you are intending to piss them off and stir shit up. That's trolling. Look at the first comment you made at the top of the page. The guy made a flippant remark about checking the fallout forecast. You HAD to jump in and tout your only in Japan line. Did you really think he was being literal? Give me a break. You were trying to stir shit up. Right at the top of the page. That's trolling. But when it isn't percieved well, then it's "chickenshit ZHer's" right outta the chute.
If that isn't your intention, then 3 out of 4 of your posts are not being interpreted in the way you mean them to be. So which is it, are you a troll, or just socially inept?
BTW, I did respond to your above post which I thought was spot on.
Looking back at the top of the page, yes, I suspected he was being literal. I did not disrespect him in any way, nor did I follow up with any "chickenshit ZH'ers" comment, nor did I persist in responses at the top of page even given the replies that offered the opportunity. If I'm a troll, I'm not following the basic rules of messing up a thread, am I?
As for socially inept, you seem to believe I could control the responses of the readers. If a person does not have the time or inclination to read the whole thread, or is not open minded enough to consider a posting without projecting some nefarious intent by the poster...I really could not care less. You apparently fall into the latter category, CC. Rather than discuss the topic, you offer a critique of my intentions and call me a troll.
Sooo, what's yer point? Just trying to pick a fight, or I touched a nerve with you or what?
You are probably just catching the brunt of my exasperation with the "It's no big deal" crowd. Some of your posts are good, imo. Perhaps your intent isn't nefarious. Funny tho, if I had something I wanted to say, and 95% of the people I was saying it to, repeatedly tried to make it clear they didn't want to hear it, I'd move on. (or perhaps try a different tack) That's not seeking groupthink approval as Trav claims, it's being smart enough to know when I (or my opinions) am not wanted.
You have valid insight. If you read closely, there are dozens of questions asked every day where you could make a solid contribution. Continuing to point out that I am more likely to be hit by lightning than getting cancer from this shit will continue to touch a nerve.
I do however, apologize for coming at you from out of nowhere. I am pissy this afternoon. Next time I will engage you directly before I start flaming. ;)
I'll conclude with this: it IS a big deal and people should be paying attention to it, but do so out of concern for those in Japan and not for ourselves. I wish we could do more to help.
As for flaming...I really don't mind when it's offered with a touch of humor. If we all agreed on everything, there'd be nothing but an endless stream of "+1" posts. What fun is that?
would you sit back where people talked shit and because the people hearing it didn't want to hear the truth, say nothing?
There are people here who do want the truth and they are not served by having bullshitters, dilettantes, and idiots misinform them.
I don't know who the "no big deal" crowd is...despite nearly constant reference to them, by you, a lot of others, and one of the incarnations of the site host, I am yet to see ONE of them.
Consequently, they are a strawman.
@ CC ++
@ TA: fuck yeah! Thank Ghod you're here to save the motherfuckin' day.
Good point about Japan vs. the world. I think the whole Orient will suffer financially, for a decade at least. The Koreans and Chinese chortling in their beer over this will greatly miss Japan, when it is half its former self.
5.5 days now, Cliff.
You have 5.5 days "tops" for everyone in Tokyo to be dead or evacuated. That was your prediction.
When it doesn't happen, it will be yet another in the gigantic list of shame that is your "greatest ZH hits"
I see you've retreated from your apocalypse calls to just "fucked" WOW. No shit huh? Japan is fucked...your brilliance is astounding. No shit they're fucked, dude.
Without water, you lying fuck.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story ;)
I guess the northern half of Honshu is fvcked, if You're off Honshu you should be OK
Grow balls. Buy Cameco. Make sick money in 12-15 months.
Answered own question.
ZOMG ZAMG BTFD <EOM>
Do they still allow fishing off the coast of Japan...
Yup. Easier now since they glow in the water - not as hard to locate.
I heard the Japanese navy just initiated a no-float zone.
Do they allow customers to scan the fish with gamma radiometers before buying?
http://www.ecotest.ua/dkg-21/index.php?lang=en
Probably not. However they are claiming that the gamma irradiation just prolongs shelf life of the product.
Now you don't have to refrigerate your fish!
http://science.jrank.org/pages/2813/Food-Preservation-Irradiation.html
Which is good because electrical output has fallen just a touch! :)
LOL...
Not to state the obvious (since the rest of you are not normal) but when you first begin to look at the graphic it resembles the oil spill and then it turns into a bird.
Yeah whatever I ain't stoned ...........yet.
Those illumi-naughty bastards are vewy vewy clever.
So much for chili today and hot tamale. Now its glowing today and skin melting rain tomorrow.
When do they abandon Tokyo? next week? I'll bet the Japanese get Nebraska before the Chinese lay claim!
Will this contribute to global warming...LOL
Wrong question. Will the poor and minorities be most affected?
Everything contributes to global warming.
I am so excited! I have a zerohedge acct now, so I can display the newest posts first.
P.S. Is it time to hoard bottled water?
If you are in Japan, yes.
If you're on Honshu its probably too late :)))
On ZH, it's always time to hoard bottled water. :-)
why just this morning, i got to borrow the dolly from Lolita's to haul two boxes of bottle water and 5 bundles of wood, back to my apt. i am doing my øH part.
Your more than a little fiesty, but there is some truth in that;)
Bacon first...tender, delicious bacon.
http://beprepared.com/product.asp?pn=FS%20B050&sid=GOOGLELA&EID=GLAFS%20...
That really sucks. Looks like Tokyo gets another dose of Cs tonight.
Drawings of contaminated OPEN trenches outside the Fukushima plant buildings, relative to the ocean:
http://saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&p=31438#p31438
It is kind of obvious, they knew these trenches are contaminated immedeately when floor of turbine building was filled with radioactive water.
+1 thanks
It is tragic that man has created his own environmental poison that requires a forcast... Like rain, temperature and wind aren't enough.
Visually, it looks totally out of control like a serpent tongue of death, twice the size of the island.
Come on ZeroHedge, why so slow? Tell us what caused the sell off into, and after, the close? Well, position limits news?
"Tomorrow, inland areas may also temporarily be affected."
Like fuel rods are temporarily melted.
Units? WTF are the units? Give us a hint would you. The suspense is killing me.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm
Anyone know a good place to find a mapping of the Japanese subterranean river system?
Does such a map exist?
Que pasa? I think you mean the movement of ground water, and my limited experience with wells, springs, ponds, lakes, and such is that ground water defies all logic and human understanding.
Chubby rain, bitchez.
The real impact of this incident will likely be the global decline in Nuclear energy investment just in time for the onset of Peak Oil and the rapid drop off in conventional oil production...
dont forget 'global warming' hysterias impact on coal and backlash to NG fracking
Well I think the failure of the Japanese government and the default of all of their outstanding bonds will trump that.
tomorrows forecast calling for generally scary conditions with a slight chance of 'get me the fuck off this island'
just wiki'ed tokyo. 35 to 39 million people. 3rd most powerful global financial centre. gdp greater than new york.
how to evacuate that many people before they become rotting corpses?
the wind only has to change for a few days over the next few months to seal the fate of the residents.
anyone here who has an opinion on this?
please tell me i am wrong.
YOUR WRONG.. Seal their fate to what??
'seal their fate' means the same fate as the ex residents of chernobol. thats a slow painful death, if they are lucky. while looking for a new place to live at the same time.
Ok, you are wrong, but only because you said "please".
The doomsday scenario is a hot radioactive plume from the plant rising high enough to be carried by a stiff wind from Fukushima to Tokyo (which is a huge area...hard to miss the whole thing). There needs to be sufficient heat to at least vaporize the metals, or better yet if we're looking for doomsday we want actual ignition of the fuel to send radioactive ash in mass quantities downwind. It's all about exposure - how much for how long.
Not impossible given the apparent lack of control at that plant. Even if given advance warning, where do you evacuate 30+ million people to? Even if you could move them, how do you provide water, food, shelter and sanitation for that many in a short time?
exactly. and if people do panic thats a lot of panic.
TA,
No need for a full-blown doomsday scenario for Tokyo.
The winds only need to shift southwesterly for long enough.
A continuously polluted, radioactive water supply will be enough to render the place uninhabitable.
And just because there's 30+ million people and nowhere to conveniently put them doesn't mean it won't happen.
A steady stream of Cs137 would be a bad thing...but there are actions that could be taken in such a scenario. It's extremely counter-intuitive, but you could just blow the damn thing up on purpose. Precision munitions could spread the fission materials in relatively large chunks over a relatively small area. Then you smother the exposed materials with dirt, cement, and happy thoughts. You'd sacrifice Fukushima to save Tokyo.
I am NOT in favor of this action. Just throwing it out there...
ROTFLMAO!!!
OK. Now I get it.
What a fucking joke!!!
Right. It's totally unthinkable. The Japanese would be far more likely to do nothing effective to stop the radiation and also to not evacuate Tokyo. Joke's on them, I guess.
bill's newest post on japan seems to paint that exact picture.
wrong.
China's water supply is heavily polluted in many areas. There are posters here who can recount reading "water unfit for human consumption" on signs in nice hotels.
Hell, have you not been to Mexico? The water ain't drinkable in most places in the world. Not a great situation but neither uninhabitable.
The solution for Japan would be filtration. Again, NOT optimal but NOT the worst possible outcome either.
Pretty sure the drinking water elsewhere isn't contaminated with radioactive fallout. Are YOU going to set up shop someplace where you have to filter the water to keep from getting cancer? You can't necessarily tell when the filter fails, you know.
This is another example of your "everything is fine" bullshit that you claim to know nothing about. This is an economic disaster of unequaled proportion in modern times, ESPECIALLY considering Japan buys a big chunk of our debt.
But hey, you don't care about any of that because PEAK OIL IS UPON US! RUN FOR THE HILLS! CANNED HAM! BUG OUT!
Feels nice to be ridiculed for things you don't necessarily believe in, or when people twist your words to extremes, doesn't it?
You need to take a break from ZH. Calm down. Don't hit your kids. Go fuck a prostitute. Fuck, kill her if that makes you feel better. Maybe skin her and make a suit for yourself. Whatever, just get out and cool the fuck off.
damn good thing they are an island
Fuck you piece of shit Japanese assholes! You aren't doing a whole lot to stop the radiation spread because most of it is wafting out in the Pacific and polluting the rest of the world. At least the commie Russians got 800,000 people working night and day to shut down their radiation leak. The commie Russians had more concern for Europe and Ukraine than the Japanese have toward the rest of the world. But that is typical of the Japanese. They are so superior and aloof to everyone else that they don't have the least concern for the rest of the word. Cement that fucker up now!
Fuck you piece of shit Japanese assholes! You aren't doing a whole lot to stop the radiation spread because most of it is wafting out in the Pacific and polluting the rest of the world. At least the commie Russians got 800,000 people working night and day to shut down their radiation leak. The commie Russians had more concern for Europe and Ukraine than the Japanese have toward the rest of the world. But that is typical of the Japanese. They are so superior and aloof to everyone else that they don't have the least concern for the rest of the word. Cement that fucker up now!
The soviet response was equally abominable and very similar to the Japanese response in many ways. And if you think the response from the US govt would be any better you are living in a dream world. Assuming you're an American, and I have not doubt you are based on your remarks, your hypocrisy is hilarious: "They are so superior and aloof to everyone else that they don't have the least concern for the rest of the word."
Cement your fucking mouth shut.
Bloomberg:
Radiation Outside Damaged Japan Reactor May Cause Death Within Two Months
“There’s not much good news right now,” said Gennady Pshakin, a former official with the International Atomic Energy Agency. Questions of how much fuel will leak, what isotopes will be carried and how quickly they will settle mean “it’s becoming less predictable.”
Thin the herd. World population will drop by 2 billion within 2 years.
Who's got the over/under?
most likely that the water they poured in went out through busted piping below. The cores melted; everybody knows that, it was disclosed. The question is whether the cores have melted through containment.
The Pu in the soil my best guess came from that black smoke we saw or else was carried out via the hydrogen explosions. Remember that spent fuel rods contain plutonium; the exact source of this could have been any MOX rod, or any used rod, of which there were thousands in the SFPs
THEY KEEP AVOIDING MENTIONING UNIT-3 AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!!
Wonder if Obama will go to Hawaii anytime soon???????????
What are you trying to say?? If W. could be president with a sub 100 IQ why cant a Hawaiin born son of a Kenyan be president?? I should give Bush more credit. With some high priced tutoring he was able to pull solid C's at Yale.
sub 100 IQ, graduated Yale, graduated Harvard Business School, flew delta-wing military jets ... yeah, we all gotta be dumber than rocks to compare ...
Perhaps, but today the lowest grade at any elite (over priced) university is a B. Sad but true.
weren't his grades better than SKerry's?
Perhaps, but today the lowest grade at any elite (over priced) university is a B. Sad but true.
Water can directly affect the taste of coffee and in some cases impact the strength.
One fellows person take on the situation in Tokyo (on the ground) - this probably would have been posted on ZH somewhere already: http://aucanary.blogspot.com/2011/03/one-mans-yt-report-on-japan-evacuat...
I was shocked to see the LD50 of caffeine was 13. My first post on zh. Predict that Japanese plan B was always to restart reactors 5 & 6. Big smoke screen to cover restart with lots of BS. U.S.Military provided distilled water for restart.
How many CPM's do the colors equal?
First civilian "victim" of the nuke plant accident.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-first-suicide....
NEW YORK, March 28, Kyodo
Trace amounts of radioactive material believed to have come from Japan's quake-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have been detected in the atmosphere in South Carolina, North Carolina and Florida, Reuters news service reported Monday, citing officials.
There is no current threat to public safety, the report said, quoting Drew Elliot, a spokesman for the power generation and distribution company Progress Energy Inc., which operates some of the power plants in the southern states.
Monitors at several nuclear plants in the three states picked up low levels of radioactive iodine-131, the report said.
''If there were radiation coming from one of our own sites, we would be seeing other types of radiation than iodine-131,'' Elliot was quoted as saying.
In the United States, radioactive materials believed to have come from the Fukushima nuclear plant have also been detected in several other states, including Hawaii, California, Nevada and Massachusetts.