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US Aircraft Carrier Deployment Update - February 9

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For all wondering just how prepared for an escalation in the middle east conflict the US is, we present the most recent deployment map of US aircraft carriers across the world, as of February 9. It appears that there is a material concentration of naval capacity in the Middle-east region since last week, as CVN 65 Enterprise, CVN 70 Vinson and CVN 72 Lincoln are all in immediate proximity to Egypt and the Middle-East theater, as is the LHD 3 Kearsarge amphibious warfare ship which is lodged smack in the middle of the Red Sea.

Courtesy of Stratfor


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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 19:57 | 951396 Cleanclog
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Entreprise and Kearsarge - like I said on a post 2 days ago and got dissed for.  Stratfor does a good job with this info.  And as I said on an earlier post today, I doubt that these two ships and their soldiers will be adequate to assure Suez passage continuity if the Egyptians massively erupt against perceived government.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 19:59 | 951407 SayTabserb
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Shades of 1956. With the stakes in the region just a tiny bit higher. And the population tripled.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:10 | 951449 Haywood Jablowme
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WW3 baby....let's do this.  Without death, there is no life.


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:27 | 951503 spinone
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Hope you're being sarcastic

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:43 | 951560 GreenSideUp
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I hope it's sarcasm too.  But if not, he can head on down to the local recruiter and sign up to be a bullet sponge. 

Just sayin'.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:07 | 951814 william the bastard
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And to think that in the Vietnam war days being gay was an exemption from service.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:52 | 951934 Fish Gone Bad
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WW3 just like that.  Now that is why I really hate all that bullshit history they teach in school.  War does not just "break out" and a world war has even less chance of breaking out. 

Now with everyone unhappy in Egypt, and if the Suez shuts down, then we have the making of a good size conflict.  Even then, it would take maybe 6 months to get people situated for a good conflict to start up.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:23 | 952142 zwscott33
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The great war broke out almost 100 years ago. We still can't even expain its origins. Dont fall victim to the normalcy bias

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:29 | 952149 edotabin
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Come on..... we all know it was because they killed the Duke of Earl.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 07:41 | 952313 equity_momo
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Of course we can.

In a nutshell:

The UK-US axis were paranoid about an emerging super power alliance between germany and russia , which would have total control over central asia and be able to leverage that power over the rest of the World , including the naval empire of the UK (and the new kid on the block , the US)     

There were concerted efforts by British officials to provoke a war between these two potential allies through all manner of double dealings. Germany fell into the trap and declated war on Russia Aug 1st 1914- that was the defining moment of the 20th Century.

The UK had some first rate sh*t stirrers and still does.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 09:52 | 952420 dogbreath
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some serbian douche assasinated the archduke

Austria mobilised against Serbia

Russia mobilised against Austria

Germany mobilized against Russia

Big sucking sound


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 09:55 | 952425 optimator
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Win with Winnie, the dominant influence on that century.  My dear old Dad used to say that in Germany in 1914 the consensus among the common folks was, "The machine gun has made war impossible". 

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 08:46 | 952339 ageofreason
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Now see the bullshit that has been pulled over your eyes...the pawns have been manuvered over the chessboard of the middle east for years and you don't even see it.

First, will be the revolution and once the protection controls that have been put in for security (puppet regimes and kingdoms) are erased the great war will start.

All the middle east needs is a fuse and the whole will be burning.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:14 | 951969 Fish Gone Bad
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Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:49 | 952110 High Plains Drifter
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now they have

don't ask because we don't care.

its a gay world and we are all in it.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 03:09 | 952225 Haywood Jablowme
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3 tours.  Done my f'in part for the world police.  Just sayin' =P


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:05 | 951812 cosmictrainwreck
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talk is cheap. on an anonymous blog, even cheaper....maybe fiat cheap

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 03:03 | 952218 Haywood Jablowme
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Cheap is good.  Me love them chineses trinkets.  I sell to stupid yankee boys at 500% margin.


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:33 | 952158 Hugh G Rection
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Me's an armchair chickenhawk too! I want some HD explosions and buildings gett'n dropped on fools!


Better go service my wood...

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 03:06 | 952220 Haywood Jablowme
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Booyah biznitches!  We can watch sky light up like chinese firecracker.  Yes, me service wood also.


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:10 | 951652 WestVillageIdiot
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Somebody wake up Eisenhower.  We could really use him now. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:36 | 951891 william the bastard
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Monty needs his ass kissed again?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:17 | 951974 hbjork1
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I liked Eisenhower, thought he was a man for the times and a better President than he got credit for.  But you have one on the scene today that, IMO, is just as good in Petraeus.  He is very smart, in good physical condition and doesn't have a political "axe to grind".  The establishment would probably want him shunted aside and if they couldn't, fight him tooth and nail.  You would have the kind of thing that was done to McCain in South Carolina only it would start earlier.  Petraeus wouldn't be manipulatable. 


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:41 | 952019 william the bastard
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McChrystal for President

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:43 | 952103 Rusty Shorts
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You guys are lost, start here >>>

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 10:22 | 952481 michigan independant
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I started rereading Alfred Marshall. The guy who instructed the keynesian's. As for the link it conveys reality that to few discern. A few coworkers 'idealogues' started oozing all this crap that reagan was was problem? I shit you not that these sheep are beyond redemption on Global issue.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 13:13 | 953170 tamboo
Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:11 | 951796 TruthInSunshine
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Gonzalo Lira & Nicole Foss are debating Hyperinflation vs. Hyperdeflation right now - streaming live:

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 09:01 | 952352 jus_lite_reading
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Ding ding ding! Round two folks. That map looks like a game plan from Zhu... oh, nevermind. Did I tell you they called check mate already?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:59 | 951620 Buck Johnson
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I agree with you, those ships where moved to protect the Suez canal in a hurry on both sides of it.  It won't be enough, but they will be a vanguard. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:01 | 951866 Kitler
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Close, but no cigar.


The official plan is to transfer power to Suleiman who will then crush the freedom movement if minor appeasement will not suffice. If however the Egyptian revolution succeeds, by-passing the miltary power structures, then Israel will have both a major problem, and opportunity.

Netanyahu has long criticised the return of the Sinai to Egypt. Likudniks on the whole yearn for a greater Israeli state. An open border with hostile or pro-Palestinian neighbors is an unthinkable EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO ISRAEL.

Israeli troops will take the Sinai to protect the Suez for the world, and of course, themselves.

The preparations have been, as you will see, ongoing. Israel now just needs to be attacked. (By others preferably, but if not, it will attack itself)



Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:13 | 951973 TBT or not TBT
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I'm very OK with that desert not being in a reconfigured Egypt's hands, for the record.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:39 | 951995 Kitler
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It would be a wonderful place for Israel to forcibly remove the Palestian population to. And the weather there is great since it rarely rains. Plus it has gas and oil deposits.

Optionally they could build a security wall around the freshly settled Palestinians and take away their land again.

Old habits die hard


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:06 | 951639 UpShotKnotHoleGrable
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stratfor is pure shyt SS-N-22 Sunburn BItchezzzz



Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:37 | 951894 papaswamp
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Thought the Egyptians used RGM-84L/3?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:14 | 951823 New_Meat
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You 'n me kid.  Although you weakened your argument beyond repair by saying "soldiers."

RR-no offense meant nor intended ;-)

To get just a skosh of the flavour:

- Ned

[ed. for the poem reference]

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:20 | 951983 Cleanclog
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NM - You're so right.  Urgh . . . soldiers, sailors, troops, units, platoons - I am not fluent in the proper terms and I apologize.  No offense meant to any one who serves.  

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:40 | 951996 New_Meat
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just a thing, kinda' 'inside baseball.' ;-)

[ed. but my points here and below are that just as in financial arenas where '33 Liberty' means a location for a set of specific operations, {and I am truly New_Meat in that realm!} DoD has established in its structures certain capabilities.  So a) I have a chance to learn here and b) have a chance to comment (while having a spot o' fun) on things where, well, I'm kinda' older, tough, stringy.  Think of your family relations.  Military units are structured to feed off of those types of relationships.  Good units (like good companies) make great improvements in their performance through taking advantage of this.

So the capabilities that we care about are not about any single ship or unit.  Rather about the integrated capability of the Task Force.  And just as any physical entity has limits, military organizations have capabilities that they have been designed to fulfill under particular conditions.  For  instance, running a NEO requires a benign environment.  Period.  Stop.]

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 19:56 | 951397 SayTabserb
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It's our little way of saying we're here to make sure we're okay.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 19:58 | 951402 Richard Head
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Looks like pretty normal CVN ops to me.  One east coast carrier (Enterprise) doing a typical Med cruise, while the Lincoln is probably relieving the Vinson (or vice versa).  There is usually some overlap in the Gulf before one carrier heads home.  Whether the offgoing carrier actually gets to leave on schedule is another question! 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:40 | 951546 william the bastard
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OIL says!.........meh


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:12 | 951660 WestVillageIdiot
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"One east coast carrier (Enterprise) doing a typical Med cruise"

I wonder if those mamby-pambies booked through Priceline.  Maybe that is why that stock is so fucking high.  It all makes sense now. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:16 | 951835 New_Meat
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Yep, got a real deal on "Grey-Boat Cruise Lines".  "Why look at all of the space on the Hanger-Deck, let's see, oh, yes, that's where all the dudes and dudettes get to hang around.  Cool.  And hey, look, Dear, they have this resort called 'Steel Beach.'"

- Ned

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:33 | 952157 Richard Head
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That's the vernacular: "Med cruise" or "Westpac cruise."  Your moniker is apropos.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:51 | 951930 ExpendableOne
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The Kearsarge is where it is to evacuate the embassy.  The carriers look like a pretty typical setup.  Our government has no clue what is going on in Egypt now, why should we believe they would have planned anything in advance?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:15 | 951975 TBT or not TBT
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Guess the current administration doesn't have a hotline with the illuminati.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:13 | 952132 StychoKiller
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Anyone else get the impression that Obamatron is starting to resemble Carter?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 05:28 | 952279 stopthenewworldorder
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seeing as brzezinski is his handler just like with carter that is no surprise!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 19:59 | 951406 Id fight Gandhi
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Israel and Obama stand by to demand democracy in Egypt. Who's their favored puppet?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:10 | 951448 Cleanclog
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Were surprised by Mubarak today. Bad omen.  White House has gone radio silent while try to get "everyone in our foreign policy statements" to utter a unified voice.  Delicate and not much time.  Sun rising in a few hours in Egypt.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:15 | 951665 WestVillageIdiot
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Obama's probably busy watching old M*A*S*H reruns trying to figure out what General Clayton would do in this situation. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:37 | 951897 william the bastard
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General Clayton doesn't have a birth certificate either?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:34 | 951884 born2bmild
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According to Debka - tonight - Obama had his ass handed to him by Abdullah with plenty of blunt threats included.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:44 | 951910 TruthInSunshine
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I've yet to see a Debka article or rant materialize, in three years or more.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:48 | 952170 cranky-old-geezer
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"Debkafile's intelligence sources add that replacement aid for Egypt was not the only card in Abdullah's deck. He informed Obama that without waiting for events in Egypt to play out or America's response, he had ordered the process set in train for raising the level of Riyadh's diplomatic and military ties with Tehran. Invitations had gone out from Riyadh for Iranian delegations to visit the main Saudi cities."

Obama & Company probably wasn't expecting this turn of events, and it frightens them far more than the situation in Egypt.

Iran will be a coalescing force in the ME in the months ahead, the situation in Egypt is the beginning. 

Mark this day.  

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:01 | 951413 Dr. Porkchop
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Bombings will commence and continue until democracy occurs.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:37 | 951673 WestVillageIdiot
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The bombings, and waterboardings, will continue until morale improves or we get a government in place that is acceptable. 

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:31 | 952049 Oh regional Indian
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Ironical Dr. P. The occurance of Democracy. Strange that so many don't understand that Democracy is the biggest lie sold to the people since the resserection.

It's fascism hiding in socialist clothing. A steel fist in a velvet(faux) glove comes to mind.

And they will get what they are fghting for, unfortuantely.


Fri, 02/11/2011 - 09:14 | 952365 creviceCaress
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what's that ORI?  democracy is a lie?




what about the hundreds of working models of democracies around the world? what about countries like..................................................







Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:03 | 951424 savagegoose
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hehehe nth korea looks out of range of carrier operations, klets hoipe they dont get the net over there, if i was tinpot maniacal fuckwit. id run amok while the running amok is good.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:39 | 951545 cosmictrainwreck
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would lol except for a valid question. yeah that tin-horn SOB's gotta be thinking somethin'. reminds me when we sent all our troops PLUS all the fuckin' reserves to Afgh & Iraq: i was sweating about "hey-who the fuck's got our back?" I'll tell you, if I weren't a paranoid conspiratorialist I'd wonder if USA is intentionally trying to just leave the damn door open & let whoever wants to, just come right in

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:22 | 951693 WestVillageIdiot
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Maybe they will nuke the South Bronx.  Of course it would take a few days to notice.  I doubt we would go to war after that.  We might even have to send them a "thank you" card. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:40 | 951751 Double.Eagle.Gold
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who would notice a change?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:10 | 951822 cosmictrainwreck
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OK..obviously no takers here. Will have to check in with Jesse Ventura, I guess. Meh

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:04 | 951427 Rainman
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There's always 2 carriers in the Med all the time. In all the MidEast conflicts they've cruised around off shore to show power.....close enough for the local peeps to see but not touch.

This is SOP. Once shown an AK-47 the guy with the six shooter winces.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:07 | 951432 Shell Game
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"Send a third stage Guild Navigator to Kaitan to demand details from the Emperor. The spice must flow..."


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:16 | 951470 THE DORK OF CORK
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Yeah , this has all the hallmarks of a great book turned into a crap movie.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:26 | 951499 Dr. Porkchop
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If wishes were fishes, we'd all cast nets.


 - Gurney Halleck

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:47 | 952028 Jim in MN
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Soundtrack by....Toto....!!!?!?!?!


Yes, it's that bad.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:54 | 951938 ExpendableOne
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++ Great!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:07 | 951437 TradingJoe
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Soooo Gooood To be in CASHHHH....and Physical PMs :))) well with a few puts on QQQQ & EEM :))

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:23 | 951703 WestVillageIdiot
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If Mubarak stays it will probably cause stocks to soar for companies involved in booking vacations or selling yoga outfits.

If Mubarak leaves it will probably cause stocks to soar for companies that sell yoga outfits or are involved in booking vacations. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:09 | 951444 10044
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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:11 | 951452 Captain Planet
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looks like we are waiting for China to launch an all out attack on California....

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:41 | 951555 william the bastard
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Like they don't have a substantial beachhead in Gardena already?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:26 | 951710 WestVillageIdiot
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They will come down from Vancouver in a pincer movement.  They will be shelling the coast with egg rolls and steamed dumplings. 

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:42 | 952163 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Fortune cookie: "That wasn't chicken"

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:17 | 951978 TBT or not TBT
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He said gardinias, or almost did!!!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:34 | 951530 What a mess_man
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But of course.  And no, I don't think we're gonna need a bigger boat.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:44 | 951559 william the bastard
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That's not the attitude to find employment with any intelligence agency.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 04:32 | 952254 Golden monkey
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Right. Canadians agencies prefer fat agents and gay operated sinking submarines.



Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:48 | 951574 asdasmos
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Where is your AAPL now?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:08 | 951804 william the bastard
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Depends on whether a flash crash is running.... or not.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 20:57 | 951610 Pants McPants
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This oughtta fire up the pro-US military intervention retards.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:28 | 951718 WestVillageIdiot
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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:36 | 951889 Max Hunter
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What's the over/under on how many brown people the U.S./Israhell kill in 2011??

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:42 | 951907 william the bastard
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I junked you because when I say something innocuous and neutral I get junked. You piss on brown people? I'm betting it's you that gives this post the first junk because I feel you're a jackoff. Oh, and I'm not brown I'm nuts.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:19 | 951982 TBT or not TBT
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America, Fuck Yeah!


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:12 | 951653 asdasmos
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Hey Tyler,

Would there be anyway to implement some sort of filter agaisnt the spammers and retards?

Could we just copy and paste their names into an area and not have to view their posts?

I have checked your site for a while but only recently joined and noticed the level of idiocy is rising in tandem with bernanke's insanity.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:36 | 951738 Shell Game
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An Idiot Filter? lmao!  You have got to be kidding.  If there could be such a thing, it might be called UN Agenda 22, and we may not like who the 'deem' as idiots..  lol!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:35 | 951886 asdasmos
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It would be on a personal level, your own spam filter.

Example. I don't like william the bastard, so I would paste him in the box. Everyone else would still be able to view his idiocy.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:52 | 951933 Dr. Porkchop
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I've been on other forums with an ignore list, but I never used it. I believe in freedom of speech, even for douchebags. It takes all kinds to make a world.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:56 | 951789 SoCalBusted
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Great idea!  Now where do I paste asdasmos ...?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:33 | 951881 asdasmos
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I have to say that your level of wit is beyond me. Amazing. Genious. Almost God's work?



Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:15 | 951976 traderjoe
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You just got added to mine. It's fight club. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:46 | 952025 asdasmos
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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:31 | 951876 New_Meat
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dude: a) STOP FRICKEN YELLING!, and b) well, your complaint, that's kinda' your job; work to fix it.  It will make you into a better person.  Eventually, well, you'll see.

But I'm rootin' for you in your efforts to stamp out retards.  Augean Stables; I'm confident you can clean up.

Then again, please get back to me on why you'd ask for this feature?  Here?  Inquiring minds wish to know.

- Ned

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:46 | 952024 asdasmos
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My mistake.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:12 | 951658 Henry Chinaski
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Most Americans don't understand what a Nimitz-class carrier is. If it is sufficiently re-supplied, one of these carriers can, all by itself, conquer nearly every country in the world. There's only a half a dozen or so exceptions to that. This carrier can basically sail around the world conquering countries all by itself.

-Richard Maybury

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:26 | 951698 Kitler
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Nimitz Shimitz.

If it's that great they should have used it in Iraq and Afghanistan.


Boots on the ground baby.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:34 | 951737 WestVillageIdiot
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Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. 

It might be able to destroy a country but I doubt it can conquer it.  I don't think I would call Iraq and Afghanistan ringing endorsements for our ability to "conquer" anything. 


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Fri, 02/11/2011 - 04:51 | 952264 edotabin
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All you have to do is watch the movie Green Zone to figure out a great reason why.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:40 | 951905 New_Meat
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"... conquer nearly every country in the world."

Next square inch of land that a carrier owns, please advise.  Even when the carrier bumped into the Chesapeake  Bay Bridge, well, the stones won.

- Ned

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:44 | 951912 born2bmild
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I was on the the Enterprise '85-'88, it works great against boats, tanks, buildings and planes but unless you start loading A-6's w/ nukes it might not do too well against a million or so folks on foot with an eye for remodeling a canal.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:48 | 951921 TruthInSunshine
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The strategic vulnerability Aircraft Carriers have is that of high speed and sonar evading projectiles fired at them, en masse, at rapid speed.

There's not really an App for defense against this when the projectiles number in the many hundreds or thousands.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:12 | 951972 cosmictrainwreck
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yeah, that's the shits, ain't it? and I hear the Chinamen have pretty good rockets made specifically for that purpose......

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:19 | 951981 traderjoe
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And don't they have to be escorted by how many ships? One carrier goes down with a missile and the fallacy of our massive blue water naval strategy becomes apparent to the world - and the price of oil goes up by 50% that day...

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:20 | 952077 Almost Solvent
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Subs might respond?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:51 | 952112 TruthInSunshine
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How are even the most robust AC defense groups going to respond to hundreds of Sizzler missiles, roping at supersonic speed, all at once?

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 02:03 | 952183 trav7777
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Brahmos is also out there...lots of supersonic cruise missiles these days.  Russia is also working with HAL on a hypersonic Brahmos 2.

The defense for this sort of thing is phased array radars which can be directed at the incoming missile, frying it.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 02:10 | 952181 born2bmild
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double post

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 02:15 | 952188 born2bmild
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I was just thinking of this particular scenario as it looks from here - now. The subs got us every time during our war games too. As I often do, I'd side with Alexander Cockburn "Carriers are as obsolete as the calvary." I can imagine some scenarios they might work but the costs (in money and lives) are so astronomical it's not even worth it. As if any of this shit is worth anything.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 09:34 | 952391 Blankman
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They are great for a false flag attack.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:15 | 951668 Yen Cross
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No comment. Good job Boys and Girls.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:17 | 951669 papaswamp
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Sort of worry when 100% of the deployable Atlantic main power projection (carriers) are at sea. Each one has at least 1 sub attached, plus accompaniment of other surface ships. Someone is expecting (or hedging) some serious poo.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:17 | 951678 Henry Chinaski
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There was a big deal made about a platoon or so of Marines going to Egypt last week or so.  Marines handle embassy security and the standard crew was probably working overtime and needed relief.  Nonetheless, it was interpreted by some as an invasion or something.

If you don't know about how the military operates, then try not to speculate.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:30 | 951728 papaswamp
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"If you don't know about how the military operates, then try not to speculate."

Totally you may wish to consider...

The Kearsarge (LHD3) is there. It carries a Marine Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG)....a bit more than a platoon...not to mention a SSGN is in the area. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:49 | 951922 New_Meat
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papa, 26th MEU has detached most of BLT 3/8 MAR to play OEF, leaving what is charitably called a 'Charlie Foxtrot' behind.  I'll provide links to previous posts if needed.  This leads to II MEF going nuts.

Really wish we were talking about e.g. 'Enterprise Group' and "Amphibious Readiness Group" since that is the level of this conversation.

And prob' just 688 playin' w/each carrier group.

- Ned

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:59 | 951952 papaswamp
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You know far more than I since I'm just an Army puke. I was attempting to (poorly) make the point that alot more bodies than just a platoon or 2 associated with an Amphib much less a carrier group. The US has plenty of power projection in the exactly they would apply it beyond pulling a bunch of civies out, I'm not sure without causing things to escalate out of control....unless that is the point. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:17 | 951679 Bigger Dickus
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Somehow, I get a feeling that Odumber will end up pissing the israelis at some point.

"You sank my battleship" : Huge fucking black swan.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:28 | 951717 Yen Cross
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Your little character, should have crown of seven.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:28 | 951719 Bigger Dickus
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Is that Shakespeare?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:53 | 951781 Yen Cross
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Venus 14th century. Goddess of light in the early morning. AKA Lucifer. All enlightening. In a good way.

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:06 | 952123 Rusty Shorts
Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:21 | 951694 jackpagan
jackpagan's picture are the man bro. No one else is connecting the dots like you and the crew at zerohedge. You and your team are a lighthouse in this storm.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:09 | 951712 Pure Evil
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Must be trouble in LA, or why else would they need 4 carrier groups off the West Coast.

At the same time, I can't understand why they need any carrier groups off the coast of Washington D.C., with all the toxic sludge being sucked up by the Federal Reserve, there should be more than enough radiation emanating from the Eccles Building to keep the zombies from scrounging for brains. (Double entendre intended.)

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 21:41 | 951754 Bigger Dickus
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Nothing new. Just the same old scare tactics.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:06 | 951810 TruthInSunshine
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Gonzalo Lira & Nicole Foss are debating Hyperinflation vs. Hyperdeflation right now - streaming live:

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:06 | 951816 I Am The Unknow...
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Tyler, I love this site, but dude you are out of your mind publishing this info on this forum....even if the data is public information.  May I humbly suggest that any future posts about US strategic positions be in text only and only say things like "the USS Vinson is reported to be heading for the Suez Canal"

I am quite concerned this site will experience technical difficulties beyond your control should data like these be posted...once again, EVEN if it is public information. 

DHS and the DOD agree that "loose lips sink ships." I would be very unhappy if this site were to be taken down "in the interests of national security."\

junk me all you want...I just want this site to keep operating.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:15 | 951828 william the bastard
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I have evaluated the disposition and deployments and will issue advice to the JCS that USS GHW Bush be subbed for any carriers current stationed in, or steaming to, the Med at this time.

Let's get this par-tay star-ar-ar-ted!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 06:13 | 952293 Golden monkey
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Evaluation is critical to prevent endless wars (and priceless trials).


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:15 | 951830 TruthInSunshine
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The info is all in the public domain.

ZH is not publishing classified or even sensitive information.


Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:47 | 951860 Pure Evil
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If Stratfor couldn't even get this right, how do we know the information about the carriers is correct.

Some things are progaganda for a reason.

Fear not, my friend, as Tyler has plans for a new website called Zero Hedge Takes A Wikileaks right into the urinal called the Eccles Building.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:51 | 951931 I Am The Unknow...
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+1      I love that visual!

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 00:58 | 952119 no2foreclosures
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Stratfor is a CIA disinformation outlet disseminated by that Zionist loving Syrian/Lebanese Christian, Joseph Farah, founder and CEO of

Stratfor (CIA) serves purposes kind of like Israel's DEBKAfile (Mossad).

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 01:45 | 952167 edotabin
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Let them junk you all they want! I understand your concerns......oh comes van Rompuy in a rowboat to save the day! Now I see.  The carrier positions are clearly depicted so as to cover up the REAL plan!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:24 | 951856 Id fight Gandhi
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So rally again tomorrow?

Egypt is now in much worse shape as it was two Fridays ago. We will probably shoot straight up.

Can't stop people buying iPhones and burritos.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:48 | 951920 plocequ1
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Dont forget Ron Jeremy videos

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:27 | 951861 dick cheneys ghost
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wikileaks....egyptian police trained at quantico/fbi headquarters in virginia.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:40 | 951902 TruthInSunshine
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The U.S. has been training operators from all over the world, including the worst, despotic regimes, at The School of The Americas, aka 'The Nun Killer Academy.'

Fri, 02/11/2011 - 03:09 | 952221 RobertC
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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:30 | 951870 Cardinal Fang
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I remember jumping through hoops when Sadat was assasinated. We had to deply the RDF to Cairo West and install Mubarak. Then we did Bright Stars for the next 30 years, and now we have a president who doesn't know f*ckall about how to take care of business.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:18 | 951980 Cathartes Aura
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good thing "presidents" are just for show, while those who run the game take care of the killing times.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:34 | 951883 americanspirit
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Wouldn't you expect that anyone as smart as Tyler and the ZH crew already have multiple redundancies built into their system that can stay WAY ahead of any DOD intervention? Keep posting all relevant info my ZH friends - and make the US government ( and Israeli etc) bastards freak out trying to stop you. You are the  world's Paul Revere. History will be written about your role.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 22:43 | 951911 zen0
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c'mon man! Carriers go here, carriers go there......I have been reading this pablum for the last ten years....gonna invade Iran here....gonna invade Iran there....meanwhile, the map shows most of the equipment off the coast of America. I'd say America has most to fear from the dreaded carriers.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 23:49 | 952029 Jim in MN
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Here's a decent world map of day n night so you can see it's sunrise in Cairo yet....or just look out the porthole.  Posted once last week, won't do it again K!




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