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US Begins Massive Military Build Up Around Iran, Sending Up To 4 New Carrier Groups In Region

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As if uncontrollable economic contagion was not enough for the administration, Obama is now willing to add geopolitical risk to the current extremely precarious economic and financial situation. Over at Debkafile we read that the president has decided to "boost US military strength in the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf regions in the short term with an extra air and naval strike forces and 6,000 Marine and sea combatants." With just one aircraft carrier in proximity to Iran, the Nobel peace prize winner has decided to send a clear message that peace will no longer be tolerated, and has decided to increase the US aircraft carrier presence in the region by a 400-500% CAGR. 

From Debka:

Carrier Strike Group 10, headed by the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier, sails out of the US Navy base at Norfolk, Virginia Friday, May 21. On arrival, it will raise the number of US carriers off Iranian shores to two. Up until now, President Barack Obama kept just one aircraft carrier stationed off the coast of Iran, the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower in the Arabian Sea, in pursuit of his policy of diplomatic engagement with Tehran.

For the first time, too, the US force opposite Iran will be joined by a German warship, the frigate FGS Hessen, operating under American command.

It is also the first time that Obama, since taking office 14 months ago, is sending military reinforcements to the Persian Gulf. Our military sources have learned that the USS Truman is just the first element of the new buildup of US resources around Iran. It will take place over the next three months, reaching peak level in late July and early August. By then, the Pentagon plans to have at least 4 or 5 US aircraft carriers visible from Iranian shores.

The USS Truman's accompanying Strike Group includes Carrier Air Wing Three (Battle Axe) - which has 7 squadrons - 4 of F/A-18 Super Hornet and F/A-18 Hornet bomber jets, as well as spy planes and early warning E-2 Hawkeyes that can operate in all weather conditions; the Electronic Attack Squadron 130 for disrupting enemy radar systems; and Squadron 7 of helicopters for anti-submarine combat (In its big naval exercise last week, Iran exhibited the Velayat 89 long-range missile for striking US aircraft carriers and Israel warships from Iranian submarines.)

Another four US warships will be making their way to the region to join the USS Truman and its Strike Group. They are the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy and guided missile destroyers USS Winston S. Churchill, USS Oscar Austin and USS Ross.

We can't wait for Iran to feel completely unthreatened by this escalation and to decide to take no action whatsoever as the Nobelists push it even more into a corner from which the only escape, to a rational player, would be outright aggression... Which begs the question just how an irrational player would react.

h/t Mark

 

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Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:36 | 364523 tony bonn
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the usa has been massively stockpiling munitions on diego garcia for months now....there will be an invasion and the blood thirsty indonesian fake president will be able to kill more people for his beloved oil....

of course the bush crime syndicate acting with the rockefellers is pulling the strings.

www.obamacrimes.com

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:43 | 364548 Moneygrove
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Obama is the Decider now baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:41 | 364686 bugs_
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Awesome comment LOL LOL

Best post of the day

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:56 | 364842 jeff montanye
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there are (as of now) ten junk flags above this comment.  the bush and rockefeller families still pulling the strings may be a bit too much but the seamlessness of the war crime/police state continuum from the g. w. bush administration to that of obama is breathtaking, nauseating, nightmarish, heartbreaking, intolerable, tragic and undeniable.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:32 | 364908 Bringin It
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Will the hidden junkers come out from behind the curtain and state their argument?

 

Oh ... they have no argument ... just blood, death and misery.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:43 | 364925 Rick64
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When you mention Jew (zionist) Rockefeller or any negative comments on Jews or Israel it brings the junks but never any intelligent rebuttal. 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:36 | 365096 merehuman
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second that.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:40 | 365194 desgust
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Die Juden sind heilig. ÜBERALL and most in the US.

Never touch the subject. The invisible hand.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:04 | 365306 Sudden Debt
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I find jokes about Jews pretty hard to swallow.

My grandfather died in the concentration camps you know!!!

 

He fell from the watchtower trying to catch a nap in Aushwitch... may he RIP... 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:36 | 365249 Frankie Carbone
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Say there Ubersturmfurher, would you mind crawling back under your rock? Kristalnacht isn't until next Friday. 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 10:50 | 365662 Rick64
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Associating me with the Nazis or Natzi ideology is a common error because you probably don't understand the difference between Zionist and Jew. I think the holocaust was a terrible tragic event and don't support the Nazi theme in any way.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:54 | 365265 Jacob Dreizin
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Oh yeah, you're a real "intellectual".  Rockefeller would have been insulted if you called him a Jew.  He was descended from medieval German nobility.  His father was founder, owner, and manager of a glove factory in the village of Richford, New York, not exactly a bastion of Jews.  I have driven through there hundreds of times, it's more like a bastion of ignorant rednecks (like you).

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 10:40 | 365647 Rick64
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I never said anything about Rockefeller being offended by being called a Jew. I was referring to people such as yourself that can't look at facts and make an intelligent debate, and would rather hurl insults thinking that it supports some kind of opinion. You have proved me right. Where he grew up is irrelevant.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:42 | 365366 Operafaust
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Comments related to Zionist plots get junked because they tend to be widely off-topic knee-jerk reactions to complex geopolitical events. Critical thinkers tend to be wary of ideologies that attempt to fit the world into an 'us vs. them class war dichotomy'. If the correlation between a series of events and a supposed super-elite is not firmly established, credibility is lost. It is the same logical fallacy that fascist/alarmist regimes use to isolate a segment of the population for the rest of society to project their malcontent- blame it all on the (insert group name here).

So when I hear people making stock comments about Zionist conspiracies, I junk them. ZeroHedge's counter-cultural theme is superb for its encouragement of critical thinking and questioning the oligarchy. I don't want it to turn into an Alex Jones conspiracy circus.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:52 | 365531 AnAnonymous
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Oh really? You made a different observation from mine over this forum.

Mine led to conclude that antisemitic comments tend to end junked but racist comments on Arabs, Blacks, Chinese and Muslims much less.

How is that critical thinking output?

A more close to reality theory would be to relate to the number of supporters. That racist comment on Arabs, Blacks, Chinese, Muslims are much more tolerated on this forum and lead to a higher degree in consensus. Not very surprising as a sizeable contingent of this forum posters come from the US.

Nothing to do with critical thinking. No needs to parade what is for what is not.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 10:41 | 365628 Rick64
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There are too many diverse opinions on ZH to ever turn it into an Alex Jones type site. However there are too many facts supporting the Zionist conspiracy. There are many good Jewish people and I don't want to lump them into the Zionist camp and many don't want to be associated with them either. There is too much evidence that Mosaad is conducting covert operations in the U.S. with backing by several diverse businesses (software, telecoms, investment funds, ect..) to deny these facts is to deny reality.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 11:58 | 365801 downrodeo
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Consider for a moment the possibility that said super-elite understands the fact that if the 'correlation between a series of events and a supposed super-elite is not firmly established, credibility is lost'. With that knowledge, they could potentially execute their actions in such a way as to assure that plausible deniability existed in every event they had a hand in. As long as they can (truthfully) say'you can't prove that', they will be able to operate with impunity. What we truly need is whistle blower revolution. The proof/truth is out there and there are insiders who know this. It really is up to them to come out to the public and tell us what they know. If all of this is in my imagination, then I won't put up a fight when the thought police show up to take me away....

 

Again they always have plausible deniability, however, they don't always succeed...

http://animalnewyork.com/2010/02/watch-israeli-assassins-take-out-a-hamas-leader-in-dubai/

 

 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7028123.ece

 

 

P.S.----Does anyone know if anything ever came of this? Maybe they did succeed.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 11:47 | 365802 downrodeo
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Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:52 | 364937 Augustus
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Maybe the continuing theme is that the mad mullahs are still running Iran?  World domination has been the objective of those 6th century nutters from the beginning.  Your nine year old sister won't mind being married to an 80 yr old uncle, I'm sure. 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:25 | 365008 Rick64
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Yes they are wreaking havoc in the middle east, they are a real threat just like Sadaam. Unlike the U.S. introducing democracy and freedom everywhere.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:41 | 365195 desgust
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You bet. chomsky's opinion too.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:11 | 364973 Marvin_M
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amen brother...meet the new boss....

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 01:53 | 1282098 Karston1234
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Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:57 | 364726 Mad Max
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That's Deicider, baby!  Look it up... :)

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:10 | 364755 WaterWings
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Opus Dei?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:16 | 364767 Mad Max
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The God-killer, the anti-Christ, etc....

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:29 | 364793 stewie
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LOL!  

 

Sure Bush brought us complete corruption and illegal wars killing millions of innocent, but that Kerry, he was a flip-flopper... 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:42 | 364813 TBT or not TBT
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LOL.  2nd time today someone said "illegal" war.  Do they have "international" law on your planet stewie?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:53 | 364941 Inspector Asset
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forget international law!

 

How about inter galaxay law.

 

Whos got the venue now baby?

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 14:42 | 366230 stewie
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Ok, Illegal wasn't the right word.  How about immoral, or imperial. Anyhow, the joke still stands.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:41 | 365102 merehuman
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thats some funny shit. Thanks for lightening a gloomy day. junkers are cowardly uneducated imbeciles who wish they were jewish. Jews are to busy running the country. Lord (er Blankfein) knows we need all the help we can get since we are too inefficient at committing suicide as a species.

i have noticed that  some of the junkers dont 'get' sarcasm. Lol

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:39 | 365137 UncleFurker
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Errr. No.

 

He's the Deciderer, now.

 

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:13 | 364761 Kina
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leave those poor old Indonesians alone. I think it is the Iranians you are after.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:28 | 365013 caconhma
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Both Obama and Bush crime syndicates are under a complete zionist control.

 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:43 | 365104 merehuman
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you cant control a fuck up, and George is such. Thank god he's in Texas, likely lost.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:00 | 365113 bigkahuna
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Tony,

This link lends to your point...(the first comment that was heavily junked)

http://www.cisd.soas.ac.uk/Editor/assets/iran%20study%2007.07.pdf

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:42 | 365254 Jacob Dreizin
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Relax.  If Tyler is reaching for Debka, it must be a sloooooow news day.  Debka is not a credible source.  It is a couple of Israelis in Tel Aviv who just make stuff up at their keyboards.  They have no "sources".  They are consistently dead wrong over 75 percent of the time.  The very word "Debka" has become a joke within the military intelligence and thinktank community.  As in, "that's pure Debka" means "pure BS, pure uninformed fantasy and speculation".

ZH should really check the credibility of their sources more often.  This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:44 | 365516 downwiththebanks
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One caveat to the truth value of Debka postings:

Debka is useful when the occupiers of Palestine go on one of their regular baby-killing rampages - usually in even numbered years - as a means of extending apartheid.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 13:13 | 366006 Translational Lift
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Geeehad....if the bamma-boy ripped one at a State dinner you would blame that on Bush as well.

 

Un Fucxing real........

 

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:36 | 364528 Pamela Anderson
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Since oil is at $68, they decided that this is the time to act... oil will jump to $100 instead of $130 and everyone is going to be happy.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:52 | 364576 longjohnshorts
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This is really good news because I picked up quite a bit of USO this week (and I'm not talking Bob Hope here).

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:16 | 364766 IE
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I picked up quite a bit of UCO today.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:35 | 365495 nedwardkelly
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USO stinks.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:37 | 364531 BlackBeard
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Well dang....so much for that Peace prize....

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:48 | 364564 Goods
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No no. U don't understand, War is peace. Isn't that right Leo?

LMAO! Exactly what I was thinking! Solar bitchez!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:45 | 364699 MsCreant
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I think Leo is often a jerk, I have told him so. 

I tell my son, say it once, it's funny. Twice, I might laugh again, three times, you have milked the joke dry and you are starting to be obnoxious without a point. 

I laughed at your first dialog, pretty damn funny. And the second too, clever.

What is your goal with this? 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:58 | 364729 Mad Max
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I don't know about war being peace, just yet at least, but he sure has shown that ignorance is strength and freedom is slavery.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:17 | 364987 ajax
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Perpetual war

for

Perpetual peace

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:49 | 365526 thisandthat
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'War-suppressing war'? War on war - we will win it, no matter how long it takes (or how to bailout the military-industrial complex to eternity and beyond).

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:46 | 364821 AnonymousAnarchist
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In 410-4 Vote, House Approves Millions in Extra Funding for Israel's Missile Defense

The Iron Dome system is intended for "very short range" rocket fire, primarily the intermittent rockets from the Gaza Strip that hit open fields in southern Israel, and would be completely useless against any missile from as far away as Iran, nuclear or otherwise. In fact, this was one of the major reasons Israel was seeking the money, as many questioned the wisdom of spending $50,000 per missile to shoot down commodity rockets that cost only a few hundreds dollars apiece, and the Israeli military declined to include the project in its own budget. The four Representatives voting against the resolution were John Conyers (D – MI), Dennis Kucinich (D – OH), Ron Paul (R – TX), and Pete Stark (D – CA).

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:02 | 364855 Rick64
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Unfuckingbelievable!  410-4

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:15 | 365445 trav7777
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Same fingerprints as on the financial crisis.

Or else the conventional wisdom really IS that strong.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:06 | 364868 jeff montanye
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this is the transcendental truth of american foreign policy since at least 1973.  four people voting for the real strategic geopolitical interest of the u.s. and 410 against.  it is the foreign policy equivalent of paying off aig's counterparties to the last dime and keeping their managements intact (and opulently bonused).  the history books will not be kind (and they will be written in ideograms).

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:35 | 364915 Bringin It
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There is no more sovereign America until we get the monkey off our collective backs.

Sun, 06/20/2010 - 19:22 | 365612 thisandthat
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Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:17 | 365125 BlackBeard
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Fuck the naive pussy that junked me.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:57 | 365270 scatterbrains
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lol this place reminds me more and more of the jail house mess hall

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:37 | 364533 Internet Tough Guy
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Debka is unreliable.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:42 | 364546 fasTTcar
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Agreed, Debka is not a source.

Fade.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:50 | 364569 Hulk
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Yep, same report last year...

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:00 | 364590 fasTTcar
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Whomever junked the 3 people who pointed out Debka as an unreliable source, post ANY non related news source referencing this happening.

 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 03:20 | 365156 Shylockracy
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Oh no, Debka is extremely reliable! We can rely on Debka to deliver very creative Zionist warmongering propaganda in behalf of the Israeli Government and AIPAC.

Trust this crew, regret and rue.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:49 | 365261 Jacob Dreizin
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ZH is really scraping the bottom of the news barrel here.  Debka is not a credible source.  It is a couple of Israelis in Tel Aviv who just make stuff up at their keyboards.  They have no "sources".  They are consistently dead wrong over 75 percent of the time.  The very word "Debka" has become a joke within the military intelligence and thinktank community.  As in, "that's pure Debka" means "pure BS, pure uninformed fantasy and speculation".

ZH should really check the credibility of their sources more often.  This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:01 | 365301 Lou629
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This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

"Starting" to become?  LOL!

You must not remember project mayhems posts. 

This site lost a lot of credibility because of assholes like him, and those who supported him.  There are always going to be those who have never heard a conspiracy theory that they didn't like, and unfortunately a lot of them reside here now.

 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 14:47 | 366251 WaterWings
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Lou is back! I'm glad you didn't forget your password! How is the trolling going for ya? We've got some new trolls to fill your vacancy, but they talk about gold. You, on the other hand, talk about nothing.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 16:44 | 366593 Lou629
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W2,

Missed you too buddy!

And you're still an asshole, who doesn't seem to know how to think for yourself, or consider "source" material, as per usual with you. 

 You choose to attack me but, i note, not my position on the original post, also as per usual.

As i've said before, i couldn't care any less what you think, and if you want to stand with the defenders of the absolute drivel the original post here was all about, be my guest. Just as you did with your defense of project mayhems posts in days-gone-by, you prove yourself an even bigger asshole by doing so.  Imagine my surprise.  

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 16:44 | 366594 Lou629
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W2,

Missed you too buddy!

And you're still an asshole, who doesn't seem to know how to think for yourself, or consider "source" material, as per usual with you. 

 You choose to attack me but, i note, not my position on the original post, also as per usual.

As i've said before, i couldn't care any less what you think, and if you want to stand with the defenders of the absolute drivel the original post here was all about, be my guest. Just as you did with your defense of project mayhems posts in days-gone-by, you prove yourself an even bigger asshole by doing so.  Imagine my surprise.  

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:07 | 365117 bigkahuna
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Check this out--it is from 2007--so it has been going on for a while...oh yeah--I didn't junk anyone--lol!

 

http://www.cisd.soas.ac.uk/Editor/assets/iran%20study%2007.07.pdf

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:14 | 364618 Turd Ferguson
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I must respectfully disagree.

I check Debka almost daily. Though not every single post plays out, to dismiss them as some type of Mideast National Enquirer would be completely unfair.  

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:40 | 364683 Common_Cents22
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Hey, national enquirer broke John Edwards love child and exposed him as a liar. The lame stream liberal media ignored it

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:47 | 365258 Jacob Dreizin
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Sorry, but if you check Debka "almost daily" and actually believe what's written there, you are living in a fantasy world.  Debka is not a credible source.  It is a couple of Israelis in Tel Aviv who just make stuff up at their keyboards, like any other blogger.  They have no "sources".  They are consistently dead wrong over 75 percent of the time.  The very word "Debka" has become a joke within the military intelligence and thinktank community.  As in, "that's pure Debka" means "pure BS, pure uninformed fantasy and speculation".

ZH should really check the credibility of their sources more often.  This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:26 | 365336 plongka10
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So that's 3 times you've posted the same thing. What's the saying? Something like " if you repeat a thing often enough, it becomes reality". or something along thise lines.

The people on this site got it the first time around Jacob. Repeating it 3 times makes you out to be a shill.

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:47 | 364705 GeoffreyT
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Debka is a decent source if you want to know what Netan-the-Yahoo scrawled on his last spittle-flecked deranged fax to the White House.

 

As to Iran's best next move:

(1) withdraw from the NPT and declare a policy of 'nuclear ambiguity' - citing 'Israel' as its template (hence, also forbidding the IAEA from undertaking inspections, like 'Israel' does).

(2) fire one of their SS-NX-26 Yahkonts anti-shipping missiles (sans warhead) at any carrier in the Straits of Hormuz. Make sure it misses by about 50 meters - just so that the crew knows that Phalanx is USELESS against anything with volatile-path guidance. If the yanks whine, claim that the radar signature of the carrier made it look like a fighter aircraft on an attack vector.

 

If the US starts a show using floating targets (that's what an aircraft carrier is, since the invention of the Exocet - and the Yahkonts is five times as lethal), then all it means is that it will lose a carrier. That won't play well in Peoria.

 

Point (2), in case you didn't recognise it, is a variant of the 'dominant strategy' for CHina in the event that the US sent a floating target to 'protect' Taiwan... the Chinese would lob a small low-yield nuke into the sea 500km in front of the CBG and send an e-mail to WhiteHouse.gov saying "The next one won't just boil fish". (Although I suppose these days you would send a tweet).

 

Good to see that Obama is continuing the US's policy of pissing off as large a slice of the world as possible. That worked so well for the Romans, the Poms, the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Ottomans... but this time it's different.

 

Cheerio

 

 

GT

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:59 | 364732 Mad Max
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Funny, no carrier has been sunk by an Exocet or any other ASM in the several decades since they were introduced...

Ya gotta think that the whole flotilla of AEGIS equipped ships is there for some reason.

Supersonic missiles may be glamorous but I'd be more worried about a really quiet diesel-electric sub with a really crazy skipper.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:03 | 364741 SloSquez
Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:13 | 364760 Mad Max
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I was referring to what Iran would realistically have, not the best of our SSNs.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:15 | 364880 Trial of the Pyx
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diesel boats actually quiter from what I understand

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:57 | 365054 ciao
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nah Australia's now defunct little diesel-elec Oberon's used to get under just about anything, thats what the guy is talking about

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:28 | 365085 ciao
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nah Australia's now defunct little diesel-elec Oberon's used to get under just about anything, thats what the guy is talking about

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:13 | 364762 WaterWings
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Crazy skipper. LOL. MM, you are hilarious.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:01 | 364952 Bringin It
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Hezbullah struck and almost sank the Israeli Hanit corvette off of Lebanon, despite its anti missle defenses.  Some may say that a corvette is not an aircraft carrier, but Lebanon is not the Persian Gulf.

Black times indeed if we launch another unprovoked war of aggression.

Junk away Zino-philes, but the truth shall set you free.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:45 | 365256 Jacob Dreizin
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Relax.  If Tyler is reaching for Debka, it must be a sloooooow news day.  Debka is not a credible source.  It is a couple of Israelis in Tel Aviv who just make stuff up at their keyboards.  They have no "sources".  They are consistently dead wrong over 75 percent of the time.  The very word "Debka" has become a joke within the military intelligence and thinktank community.  As in, "that's pure Debka" means "pure BS, pure uninformed fantasy and speculation".

ZH should really check the credibility of their sources more often.  This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:36 | 365353 plongka10
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4th identical post. Booorinnngggg

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:16 | 365122 GeoffreyT
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AEGIS? You're prepared to trot that white elephant out as a missile counter? Palanx is better, but it can't cope with the terminal-path shenanigans of modern ASMs. AEGIS is a bit like the ABM system... if you tell it EXACTLY where the inbound is going to be, AEGIS will only miss about 60% of the time.

 

The USS Stark (which was cut in half by a FIRST GENERATION Exocet) was not an aircraft carrier, that's true - but your response seemed to indicate that the absence of a carrier sinking meant that post-Exocet ASMs were not a useful tool... the crew of Stark (and the HMS Sheffield) would probably disagree.

Most of the CAP sorties flown in Argentina during the Falklands were organised solely to try to counter the threat of the AM39s; and that threat was from pilots having to simultaneously try to fly the shittiest aircraft ever to burn fuel - the Super Etandard.

 

Of course the Navy will now say "Oh, the Stark was a lucky shot... in our blind spot... sneaky raghead. Now we gots us some new fangled doodad: it must be good cos'n it cost us billions."

If the US gets snarky enough at Iran, Iran will put holes in some big boats and choke the Straits.

The US government is just the latest in a long line that have refused to learn from history: there is only one circumstance in which you can acquire resources by force at lower cost than you could buy them on the market... namely, when your target population's weapon systems stop at 'pointed stick'.

But it's not really about resource acquisition... or at least not directly. It's about the transfer of profits to favoured cronies, with the taxpayer pickin up the tab twice: once for the actual battles (and the debt that accumulates on them), and again through higher resource prices.

Cheerio again

 

 

GT

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:18 | 365177 Bringin It
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I like your posts Geoffrey

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:42 | 365365 Mad Max
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Meh.  Since I don't personally own an AEGIS or a Phalanx (except in the same sense that I own FNMA, Freddie, GM, a bunch of national parkland that just happens to have mineral resources, etc.) this is pretty much a whose-is-bigger debate.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:04 | 364742 RobD
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I'm sorry but that ss-nx-26 only has a 250kg warhead. It would take more then a wimpy 250kg warhead to take out one of our Super Carriers.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:29 | 365015 Oh regional Indian
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As a former Naval Officer who served on a carrier, let me tell you they are White Elephants. White whales?

Projection of force, my ass.

Sitting ducks. The bigger the are, the larger the underbelly, the larger the required "escort" service. Big, oil guzzling whales, especially in this war to come, which, after it has run it's initial destruction phase will be one of attrition and supply lines and logistics.

Afghanistan, same issue. Iraq, same issue.

A forward fleet (that far forward at that) will be a logistic nightmare.

This is willful destruction of American hardware and willful loss of soldiers.

Once the public is riled by said losses, the dreaded N word.

But this is just opinion.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:17 | 365076 ciao
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Like you say that hardware is now strategically useless.  The last one cost $6b and each RCOH costs $2.5b ,and they cost $750m each to scrap conventionally.   Why not sail them into the cross hairs if it suits your agenda?  They are disposable as the right wing voting bloc that serves on them nes pas?

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 03:17 | 365155 Oh regional Indian
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Sad but true.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 07:47 | 365288 RobD
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"This is willful destruction of American hardware and willful loss of soldiers". Sorry mister former Naval Officer but soldiers do not serve aboard ship. I find it hard to believe that a former Naval Officer would make such an obvious mistake. Oh and there are no more "oil guzzling" Carriers in the US Navy(unless you are talking about the much smaller helicopter/harrier carriers) they are all Nukes now. There is no logistic nightmare for forward deployed carriers, they do this every day of the year, I have been to the Gulf and spent over 40 days there without seeing port and we received logistic support every day. As for willful destruction of hardware, you act like a Super Carrier is so fragile that any hit would cause it to sink. We have not lost a capital ship to enemy fire since WWII and a few 250kg armed missiles are not going to take out one of our Carries unless it is real lucking and happens to fly right into the magazine or the reactor. As a former Naval Officer you should know that damage control is one of the highest priorities on board and would be handled.

Sat, 05/22/2010 - 00:17 | 367241 Oh regional Indian
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Not to nitpick RobD, but I meant Soldiers as those who fight, Airmen, Sailors and Soldiers all included (all of who are part of this armada anyways).

Regarding logistics, I was not talking of fuel. Obvious regarding Nuke Carriers.

But a lot more than fuel is needed to keep an armada going, all on-board rations and everything included. All wars have been lost on logistics (since you seem militarily inclined, I'm sure you are aware of the same).

And last, but not least, not lost a capital ship since wwII! Well, have you seen the enemies you've fought? Yes sir, lil ole USN versus the Vietnamese. Or wait, against the latin american tiger, Panama? Oh wait, you meant against the Koreans you needlessly napalmed? No no, you must mean Somalia? Or wait wait, it must be Iraq, with such an imposing Navy and air force? Or is it the feared sea and air power Afghanistan you speak of?

Drop the kool-aid RobD. 40 days in the gulf tells you nothing! Try 400 days.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 02:30 | 365133 GeoffreyT
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Hey there RobD,

 

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic... it's not like it carries 250kg of marshmallows.

 

It's 70% more than an Exocet (and flying four times as fast with twice the range), and Exocets are pretty good ship killers.

 

If I was a sailor I would not want my boat to be hit with 250kg of ANYTHING travelling at Mach 2.5... especially not stuff that then blows up.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:00 | 365299 RobD
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Not being sarcastic at all. Sure nobody wants to take a hit but all sailors on board are trained firefighters and practice damage control continuously while deployed and would handle the damage quickly. I served 6 years in the US Navy and served aboard the USS Midway CV-41 so I have been there and done all that. So unless the hit is taken in a very unlucky spot the carrier will survive and continue to fight. You guys act like once the ship is hit it's all over and it just sinks. Look up the story of the Yorktown, it took massive damage from bombs of much larger size and multiple hits and it's sailors saved it twice before having to abandon ship.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:23 | 364893 optimator
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When I was in the Air Force we'd get a certain pleasure out of yanking the strings on carriers sailors by saying we knew carriers were designated LST's.  they'd laugh and say, no, they're CVE's.  We'd retort, no, LST's, Large Slow Targets!

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 09:20 | 365461 trav7777
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You simply have got to stop comparing maritime operations to wartime.

During war, every radar asset within the theatre will be jammed, destroyed, or otherwise suppressed.

CVNs will not be operating within sight of shore.  Subs will not have unrestricted ability to roam the seas close to ship groups.

The Phalanx isn't the anti-missile technology du jour anymore.  SeaRAM is.  But anybody who predicts the easy demise of carriers is a fool.  More nations are either acquiring them or trying to build.  Nations that have one are doing everything they can to keep them in the water.

Review the Kargill War if you have doubts about the efficacy of these things.  Pakistan had access to Silkworms.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 11:26 | 365750 thisandthat
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"Subs will not have unrestricted ability to roam the seas close to ship groups."

Don't bet your life on that: in submariners jargon, surface vessels are called 'targets' - and that's not just cockiness, examples abound of surface fleets being humiliated by outnumbered, underpowered and outdated subs. knowledge is power, tech is just the pile of junk you'll be buried under, if that's where you put your trust.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:22 | 364779 Boop
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Navy Times agrees that the Truman is deploying.

The Pilot online says:

 

They’re scheduled to spend at least six months at sea, mostly in the Middle East, Persian Gulf and northern Africa. They’ll likely support group troops operating in Afghanistan.

 

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 03:25 | 365158 AnAnonymous
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Seems to confirm the OP.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 06:43 | 365255 Jacob Dreizin
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If Tyler is reaching for Debka, it must be a sloooooow news day.  Debka is not a credible source.  It is a couple of Israelis in Tel Aviv who just make stuff up at their keyboards.  They have no "sources".  They are consistently dead wrong over 75 percent of the time.  The very word "Debka" has become a joke within the military intelligence and thinktank community.  As in, "that's pure Debka" means "pure BS, pure uninformed fantasy and speculation".

ZH should really check the credibility of their sources more often.  This is starting to become nothing more than a gossip site.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 13:13 | 366007 M4570D0N
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Well if you do a google news search for the USS Truman there are 4 articles today confirming the story. I'm rather surprised though that all of the articles are local outlets. Not one major/national media outlet has touched this story. The NBC affiliate WAVY-TV has most of the info the DEBKA article does:

NORFOLK, Va. (WAVY) - More than 6,000 sailors from the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group left Hampton Roads Friday on a six-month deployment to the 5th and 6th Fleet areas of operations.

The Strike Group, commanded by Rear Adm. Patrick Driscoll, includes Commander, Carrier Strike Group (CCSG) 10; the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75); Carrier Air Wing Three (CVW) 3; Commander, Destroyer Squadron 26 (CDS 26); the guided-missile cruiser USS Normandy (CG 60), and guided-missile destroyers USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG 81), USS Oscar Austin (DDG 79), USS Ross (DDG 71) and the German Frigate FGS Hessen (F221).

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/military/Trurman-Carrier-Strike-Group-to-leave-t...

5th fleet area = Red Sea, Arabian Sea, Persian Gulf
6th fleet area = Mediterranean Sea

On the other hand, rather than an Iranian build up, the Hampton Roads' Virginian Pilot that stated that they "will likely support group troops operating in Afghanistan," but it doesnt sound like they really know anything and are just making an assumption.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:39 | 364537 Dogfather
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As Marla explained last week, we're now Farcists!!  Long live the Dalai Obama...

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:35 | 364672 I need more cowbell
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Carl Spackler: So I jump ship in Hong Kong and I make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas.
Angie D'Annunzio: A looper?
Carl Spackler: A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:36 | 364675 I need more cowbell
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"big hitter, the Lama"

That line kills me

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:16 | 364768 WaterWings
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What's up with the absence? You and Brett in Manhattan had me reaching for lotion and Kleenex.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:27 | 365337 velobabe
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YOU, you and playing golf with the buddha ghost again†

deja vu?

what is up with the fuckin junk around here, lately.

we need to have a meeting.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:43 | 364550 Belrev
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I guess his puppet masters decided to get rid of the last menace to their Middle East domination while USA is still there and its army is still available. Cause when the American economy completely collapses and the country begins to fall apart the army will be in no position to fight. Is this the last desperate move by the Zionist mafia?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:08 | 364609 Comrade de Chaos
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Burn the damn witch ! 

 

step a, find a guilty party

step b, energize the masses

step c, take over.

 

- Lenin

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:47 | 365037 Alienated Serf
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need to give the sheeple an enemy, otherwise they don't listen too good.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:04 | 364956 Bringin It
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It can not end soon enough.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:43 | 364551 Goods
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All part of being a Nobel prize winner.

What's that? Oh Iran doesn't have a central bank? We will take care of that!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:01 | 364594 Ras Bongo
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LOL!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:18 | 364635 LeBalance
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Completely on target, Iran is Islam, which does not allow Usury.  Now who is the Empire and who are the Rebels?

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 08:11 | 365310 Hunch Trader
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It's obvious you have never compared the cash price of a house, and the total price of that house with Islamic Financing.

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:31 | 364655 Goods
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You see, they hate our freedom for having a central bank. And so it's our duty to share the love.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:57 | 364843 Mad Max
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Let's not share the love, let's transfer the love.  I say we hand them the Fed and call it even.  But no returns, no way!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:15 | 364763 IE
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Hadji don't surf!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:29 | 364794 WaterWings
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Never seen 8-lane roads? No problem!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:09 | 364871 Rick64
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and they incidentally have oil. Axis of evil - no central bank.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:44 | 365200 Mesquite
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Ah hah...

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:43 | 364552 Edna R. Rider
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I had the rare lucky trade on the day after Christmas 2008 when I went long oil (DXO, stupidly) because Bush Jr. just had to pay a visit to the Middle East over the holidays.  Soon thereafter oil went up about 50% in 10 days or so.  I have always believed that we are as beholden to Middle East oil interests as we are to any other group/region in the world.  We simply cannot have oil drop too low without things falling apart in that zone.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:47 | 364558 fluorideintapwa...
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BRING ON THE  LOVEALUTION ,

PAST TIME TO END THE FOREVER WARS !!!!!!!

 

thanks for the change....

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:47 | 364560 Winston Smith 2009
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Actually, in times of economic and political crisis, there is an advantage in wielding the biggest stick by far.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:50 | 364571 bigdad06
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Love not war! Love will prevail! That is what a commitment 2 Love is all about!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:51 | 364574 HarryWanger
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Looks like the bank bill just passed. Wonder what this will do to the market as well.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:10 | 364615 Selah
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Up 500pts.

Great job numbers.

V-shaped recovery.

Green Shoots.

Recession was declared "over" last September.

Recovery just around the corner.

The usual...

 

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:47 | 364706 silvertrain
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I saw that Harry, Looks to be pretty tough also.Tougher than I thought It might be..Futures havent moved on it to much.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:55 | 364721 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Timmah said it must have "teeth".  He snarled when he said it and I think he wants the banks to eat me.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:17 | 364772 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Harry these emerald glasses you have are telling me the futures are up.  weird......

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:10 | 365173 Popo
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What will it do to financials?  This is incredibly bad news for them.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:57 | 364580 HFT1
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Great let's stick 1/10th of our fleet in a bath tub with no escape when only one carrier is needed with some backup. Awesome!

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:37 | 364664 lesterbegood
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An aircraft carrier battle group will never enter the Arabian Gulf unless it's going into dock. Lack of manuvering room. They usually steam 20-100 nm. south of the Strait of Hormuz.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:58 | 364584 Flounder
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"Well Jane, it just goes to show you, it's always something, you either got a toenail in your hamburger or toilet paper clinging to your shoe."

Rosanne Rosanna Danna

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 20:58 | 364586 Ras Bongo
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Only to divert the attention of the sheeple from the reality.

Classic.

CNN and al. will be all over the place

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:00 | 364591 Buck Johnson
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You don't move carrier task forces like this and  in this amount just to intimidate, you don't do that.  It's expensive just keeping them sitting there and it moves them from other places in the world they could be.  And with Diego Garcia being stocked up with the new bunker busters that where shipped there earlier this year, we may be in for a massive air attack very very soon on Iran.  Another thing is that they may be trying to goad Iran into attacking the one carrier that is out their to have reason.  To be honest with you the US needs this war to kick off because of how bad the economy is.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:17 | 364626 hack3434
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"To be honest with you the US needs this war to kick off because of how bad the economy is."

You poor ignorant fool...


Thu, 05/20/2010 - 22:31 | 364796 WaterWings
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In this case it might make more sense if you explained for the rest of us.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:53 | 364939 PierreLegrand
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Why would Obama start a war?

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 14:51 | 366275 WaterWings
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It has nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with bankers.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 01:46 | 364965 Bringin It
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WW since when does opposing a warmonger after blood money need further explanation?

Seems pretty clear to me.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:01 | 364852 Mad Max
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Made sense to me.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:20 | 364886 jeff montanye
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me too.  obama seems willing to roll the dice on armageddon, even if he hasn't the guts or sense to stand up to the banks or insurance companies.  and i voted for the ....

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 00:09 | 364970 Bringin It
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Obama is willing to do what he's told to do.  How do you think he got the nod in the first place?

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 23:51 | 364933 suldog
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Expensive?!  Money is no object here, son.  Move along.

Fri, 05/21/2010 - 04:56 | 365203 desgust
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Why do you junk this, you stupid mother fuckers? Are you zionist JEWS OR PAID BY SUNS(CHS)TEIN?  ( real pronounciation)

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:01 | 364593 PenGun
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 They normally have two there. Just a change. Don't panic.

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:36 | 364676 RobD
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PenGun is correct. It is not unusual to have two carrier groups in the area at the same time. One will be relieving the other and while they are both there they will do some exercises together. The other two carriers that may be in the area could be marine carriers (there is usually one of those in the area also) and some news agencies seem to think that marine carriers are as capable as the big flat tops. Not even close. This is not unusual. Oh buy the way I'm an ex carrier sailor, USS Midway baby "Tip of the Sword" now a museum in San Diago.,

Thu, 05/20/2010 - 21:03 | 364596 lawton
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They will let Israel strike the nuke facilities in Iran and then all US action will be for self defense from Iran.

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