US Default Risk Jumps To Highest Since February 2010 On Debt Ceiling Worries

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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:10 | 1457751 mynhair
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They are worried the ceiling will be raised.

Anyone else see that dump in the long bond at 1:34 when the Oweblahma blahhed about a deal?

There will be no sell out by the House.  Bank it.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:25 | 1457953 bankonzhongguo
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The BANKS want the US to "fail."  "They" (the market makers) will demand more interest.  Both parties want a "default" or stressed economy.  How else can Bill Gross get the 10 year  yield above 5-10%?

What is going on is no different than what happens to all those "3rd world" countries that borrow World Bank money to build infrastructure, miss payments, the IMF comes in and does a workout for DIP financing to JPM, GS, C, etc. and now there is more debt that can't be serviced.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:09 | 1458026 Girl Trader
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For a detailed exposition, see The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:00 | 1458132 CompassionateFascist
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For a steaming pile of crap, see The Shock Doctrine, by Red Jewess. I'm still waiting for her book on Disaster Socialism.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:23 | 1458188 Crisismode
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You are a witless cretin.


But, I won't hold that against you.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 00:38 | 1458461 66Sexy
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'Debt ceiling' drama is just 'create crisis-introduce solution' tactic by the elite. The facade of rivalry is to secure the dual party paradigm. Democrats, Repblicans all play for the same team. Know which one?

"We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms. We'll therefore speed up the question of reform for the democratic party, and protection for the republican party.

By divinding the electorate this way, we'll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves on questions that have no importance to us."

United States Bankers Magazine, 1892.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 02:29 | 1458553 Maxter
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I hope more people could understand that.  Even here on zerohedge people still blames democrates for this or republicans for that, but while doing so, they forget to see the real ennemies.


Edit: see some posts below for a sad exemple of this..

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:53 | 1458334 Ident 7777 economy
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Junked; unreadable format.


Remediation: Ditch the italics.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:11 | 1458158 alagon
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pftt....Read Rothbard....

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:16 | 1458217 Drag Racer
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++ I also like the guy following in his footsteps, Thomas Woods.

Here is a good video of TW offering some good insites relevant to the current topic of the debt thingymagikdud

Gold and the Good Guys

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:47 | 1458321 zeusman
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I guess after running up huge debt/deficits under Reagan and Bush administrations these righteous god loving, science hating republicans have found religion.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:22 | 1458383 grey7beard
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>> these righteous god loving, science hating republicans have found religion


Hey, a lot of that was pissed away on the military so that makes it ok.  Take out of social security what they spend on war.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 06:39 | 1458708 mayhem_korner
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Question: what has a larger unfunded liability - defense or social security?


If you don't like deficits, why do you support social security?  (Note: this is a really tough question for progressive-Marxists)

And the capstone question: What is it that you find so unfair?  (Uh oh...deep stab into the heart of the Marxist's envy gene)

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:07 | 1459171 grey7beard
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>> what has a larger unfunded liability - defense or social security?

The military was never funded in the first place so your question is an irrevelant straw man.


You expect an instintanious answer?  You don't understand how the internet works, do you?

>> why do you support social security?

Because it was paid for on a weekly basis by the folks who were promised a payback.  Because social security helps the old folks feed themselves.  I'm more into life and living rather than killing civilians.  What don't you under stand about that?


>> progressive-Marxists

My, aren't you a well trained wingnut. Beck/Rush would be proud.  Learn to think for yourself, stooge.

>>What is it that you find so unfair?

How about working class people aren't getting what they paid for in order to fund the militiary industrial complex and give tax breaks to the most well off segment of society?

>>  (Uh oh...deep stab into the heart of the Marxist's envy gene)

Well trained parrot.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:08 | 1459798 mayhem_korner
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Nicely arranged empty statements. 

The notion of "working class people" is a moniker of a Marxist.  We don't have classes here, and no one is irrevocably bound to be in any tax bracket indefinitely.  The notion of a "tax break" being "given" also supports your twisted view that the government is the originator of the funds.

You're thought that the unfunded liability of social security is irrelevant is evidence that you live in denial.  Social security was a ruse from its inception by your all-mighty FDR (who used the cover of war to launch into the great socialist society, I might add).  It was a linear transfer payment at the start, and now it is simply a transfer payment that goes through a brokerage house because of the inability to balance the budget.

I may not understand how the internet works, as you say (I'm not Al Gore, I didn't invent it), but I can spell instantaneous correctly.  (They don't teach spelling at Hahvahd?)

Tell you what, let's start by cutting corporate income taxes to zero.  In your view, that would level the playing field with all of the tax-evading corporations, anyway.  Then shift all of the tax burden onto consumption, with obvious exemptions for staple items & necessities.  Fairness as far as the eye can see, as those who can afford more pay more in taxes.  And then investment incentives for those really, really rich people (not you) to start up some new businesses and get more people working.  (Cuz we don't want them just hoarding it, right?).

Let me stop...sorry, I forgot I'm trying to educate an ideologue who has not read the Constitution nor understands free markets.  So dig deep and ask yourself what it is that makes you so mad about your plight and why it's everyone else's fault.

Cheers!  :D


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:46 | 1458411 snowball777
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They never lost their religion. Listen closely, and you can hear them pray:

Tax Cuts! Tax Cuts! Tax Cuts!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 06:34 | 1458707 mayhem_korner
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As I've posted before, I love it when those that earn less than I pay in taxes make "fairness" statements about taxation and what it means to the economy.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 06:32 | 1458706 mayhem_korner
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Where two or more [earth-worshipping, constitution-undoing progressive-Marxists] are gathered in the name of socializing every output...reality will be scarce.

I love it when one progressive-Marxist musters up enough of a green-tea-and-tofu high to blurt out a (seemingly original) salvo against a non-Gaia worshipper - before scampering back under the bed - and a chorus of 'em latch right on with shallow attaboy snipes.

We look forward to y'all having something insightful to offer.  I know it might be a while...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:13 | 1457763 TruthInSunshine
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If you don't want to be exposed to what's likely to become a much more volatile market, just buy some physical gold, which is a traditional™ central banker's preference during such times, and wait for the storm to pass.


  Ben Bernanke stars in 'The Gold Tradition'
Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:13 | 1457767 mynhair
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Partial to silver, meeself.  Works better against bearded Libs, and is cheaper.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:16 | 1457778 Sophist Economicus
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Cloves of garlic and a medallion of Graceland around the neck keeps them away too

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:18 | 1457781 mynhair
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Doesn't work as well in a 12 gauge pump, tho.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:28 | 1457804 camaro68ss
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i would 2nd that

But add the LED bright light that flickers so you blind the bastered right before you blast him

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:36 | 1457826 Calculated_Risk
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I'd throw in a video of seizure bots playing on your smartphone..

just to be sure.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:05 | 1458015 toady
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Damn it!

Now my kid is flopping around like a fish out of water!

Thanks alot!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:39 | 1457839 TheTmfreak
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Plus a laser. Better for shooting from the hip.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:08 | 1458021 scatterbrains
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or a sawed-off/pistol gripped auto shotgun loaded with buck shot.. picture a hand grenade that explodes one directionally in your hand.. good for dark spaces and rounding corners.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:48 | 1458103 Truffle_Shuffle
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Just got a saiga 12 myself outfitted with a pistol grip.  Picked up several 10-round clips and managed to secure some law enforcement issued 00 tactical buckshot.  Nothing like an AK style shotgun...real zombie killer.    

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 23:34 | 1458393 JW n FL
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you need a good gun smith.. to turn that gun into a gun that wont jam.. or just buy a benelli crio.. ??

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 00:20 | 1458437 Burnbright
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You have obviously never fired a Saiga.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 00:13 | 1458427 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Hey now! Violence is wrong, mmmkaaay . . . 

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 06:41 | 1458709 Neoisolationist
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I've been told that #4 buckshot is preferred as a defense load. I think it's got 27 .25 caliber balls in it.

I bought a saiga-12 also. Just need to cycle about 250 rounds through it to break it in.


I undersatnd it doesn't handle light loads very well, so watch out.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:09 | 1458024 poopyjim
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but then you reveal your location... =/

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:00 | 1458123 DosZap
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The Tm.

Adding a laser,or a mounted light on any weapon gives the attacker/intruder the upper hand, even night sights will give your position away.

Never allow the Intruder the upper hand,do not investigate, place yourself in a solid defensive position, and let it/him/them come to YOU.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:32 | 1458204 Crisismode
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Night-vision goggles.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:50 | 1458226 uneducated minion
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+8 +1 in the chamber... BOOOM!  That pressure switch is the shizz...

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:36 | 1457828 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Thu, 07/14/2011 - 18:31 | 1457814 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Ben Bernanke was appointed by Bush, who is a Republican.  Remember, we are all Keynesians.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 19:50 | 1457999 Pirate of the P...
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I didn't know being a Lib and a Republican were mutually exclusive.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:11 | 1458029 toady
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It can be confusing.

None of my republican friends are conservative...

Black is white, up is down, cats and dogs cohabitating.

I guess we aren't in Kansas anymore Toto.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 00:27 | 1458444 Oh regional Indian
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Totolly astute observation.


Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:23 | 1458059 Spastica Rex
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The problem is the terms have gotten all stretchy and queer. It's all double plus good now, I guess.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 20:31 | 1458072 V in PA
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What does Bwaney Fwank have to do with this?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:12 | 1458165 UGrev
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There's an asshole in the mix somewhere.. 

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 01:14 | 1458502 Spastica Rex
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Your avatar is solid.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 22:20 | 1458280 kito
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youve taken quite an interest in queers lately spas

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 01:15 | 1458505 Spastica Rex
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Your mom has been taking an interest in queers lately.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 04:35 | 1458606 Popo
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Right,  because they'll never just tax gold transactions at 50% and drive the price through the floor.

Nor would they ever establish an export tarriff on gold to prevent you from selling it abroad.   

Gold is a fantastic hedge against inflation.  

But be cautious brother:  It is not and has never been, fantastic protection against tyranny.

Keep a few eggs in different baskets.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 08:31 | 1458929 mmlevine
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Am I on ZH or the "Guns & Ammo" website.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!