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US Energy Chief Says Partial Meltdown Has Occurred At Fukushima, Urges All Us Citizens Within 80 KM To Evacuate

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Update: Britain follows US in recommending all nationals in Tokyo and north of Tokyo evacuate

More on the earlier news that Steven Chu "thought" a partial meltdown may have occurred, the just released news escalates the verbiage, which is now a definitive: "US Energy Chief says 'partial meltdown' occurred at the Fukushima Plant." The next step is his urgent recommendation for all US citizens who live within 80 kilometers of Fukushima to evacuate or take shelter indoors. Oddly enough, for the Japanese the evacuation radius is a fraction of this, but it is probably due to the government's recent arbitrary decision to pick a number of 250 millisieverts as the maximum safe threshold for NPP workers. Somehow we assume this means Japanese DNA is about 2.5 times more resilient to damaging alpha, beta and gamma radiation, than that extracted from the US and all other countries.

We urge Japanese readers who have not already done so, to follow Chu's advice and to get the hell away from Dodge, and evacuate to a minimum 50 mile safe distance.

 

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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:41 | 1061684 hedgeless_horseman
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...get the hell away from Dodge...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHi7OTY0bow

Dodge, Cheyenne, close enough for government work.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1061764 TeamAmerica
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Extend the radius far enough and there is no room left in Japan to run to.   Japan already has something like a quarter million people displaced by the quake & tsunami.   Add a huge evacuation and the question their government faces is "to where?".   Will Korea take refugees or what?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1061822 hedgeless_horseman
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As I recall, the last time a bunch of Japanese went to China there was some trouble.

the Rape of Nanking, was a mass murder and war rape that occurred during the six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanjing (Nanking), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War. During this period, hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and 20,000–80,000 women were raped[1] and sexually tortured to death by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1061922 Dabale arroz a ...
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I'd encourage you all to watch "City of Life and Death", located in that place & time. Though war is always the same, no matter time or place.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1062156 Haywood Jablowme
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Jeezus.....they are now having to resort using riot water cannons to feed the fuel pools. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110316/ts_nm/us_japan_quake

In a sign of desperation, police will try to cool spent nuclear fuel at one of the facility's reactors with water cannon, normally used to quell riots

Been nice chattin' it up with many of you the past year and a half...

 

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:20 | 1062169 Haywood Jablowme
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dp

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:21 | 1062174 Haywood Jablowme
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..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:12 | 1061941 Weaseldog
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Send them to S. California....

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:10 | 1062367 francis_the_won...
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That's actually a great idea, as long as they are given an expedited path to citizenship and are allowed to help us vote out all of our wonderful California lawmakers......

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:26 | 1062904 Bicycle Repairman
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Send all 180 million of them to Canada.  Then rename the place Japanada, land of the rising maple leaf.  Wouldn't have to change the colors on the flag.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1061825 assumptionblindness
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Korea?  I don't think so.

It is time to erect a Statue of Liberty at the port of Los Angeles.  California's housing problems may soon be solved.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:01 | 1061853 gabeh73
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It would really be great news for this country if we had an influx of 20-50 million Japanese. Not kidding

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:06 | 1061885 moneymutt
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agreed, however, they are quite old

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1062004 treasurefish
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Just send the under 35yo female types.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:29 | 1062918 Bicycle Repairman
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I think the Japanese you excluded junked you.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1062006 MachoMan
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Hopefully they'll come with enough savings to last out...  and might teach the baby boomers how to save that last little bit before being winterized.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1062380 francis_the_won...
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Yes, and California has a lot of practice absorbing immigrants into the culture.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1061890 Turd Ferguson
Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1061897 Infinite QE
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Indeed. We can fire all the corporate jackoffs leading GM off the cliff, fire the do-nothing union work force and rebuild America!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:43 | 1062581 Confuchius
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@assumptionblindness;

Nyet.

They will all go to Vancouver and redouble the already doubled land & house prices.

Of course, they will have to speak Mandarin first...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 18:22 | 1063654 Lord Koos
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Vancouver real estate values could be dropping like hot fuel rods if there is a major radiation release and it's carried to the west coast of North America.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1061865 TomJoad
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In November 2010 there were 1760 TONS of Uranium fuel rods stored on site.

http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/6-1_powerpoint.pdf

If you do the rough math that works out to 24.51 lbs of U per square mile of Japanese countryside. They had better hope the weather keeps blowing out of the NW for the next few thousand years. 

I guess I'm off sushi for a while (Like the rest of my life)

 

Jump! You Fuckers! (for those of you that are clueless my tagline refers specifically to the bankster/political/oligarch/corporate overlord class)

My heartfelt best wishes go out to the Japanese people.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:48 | 1062210 VinniPukh
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Data on the number, layout of rods in *each* of these pools is really patchy...good find!

Here's all I'd been able to source so far (11th March 2011) - it's from France's nuclear regulatory body (IRSN) & thus in French unfortunately but, loosely speaking, they're quoting 6000 rods in the F'shima communal pool, which correlates roughly with what your pdf quotes (6291).Unfortunately they claim ignorance as to the number of rods in each individual reactor's pool.

<http://www.irsn.fr/FR/Actualites_presse/Actualites/Documents/IRSN_Seisme...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:33 | 1062428 Mister Meaner
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Summary that cites the same resources. Apparently, those are 6,291 rod assemblies, just on the ground level pool. Over 600,000 spent rods on site (in total)...

http://www.infowars.com/alert-fukushima-coverup-40-years-of-spent-nuclea...

 

The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools dedicated to spent fuel rods. These are located at the top of six reactor buildings – or were until explosions and fires ravaged the plant. On the ground level there is a common pool in a separate building that was critical damaged by the tsunami. Each reactor building pool holds 3,450 fuel rod assemblies and the common pool holds 6,291 fuel rod assemblies. Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. In short, the Fukushima Daiichi plant contains over 600,000 spent fuel rods – a massive amount of radiation that will soon be released into the atmosphere.

 

Although that adds up to over 1.7m rods, by my math.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:46 | 1062606 Confuchius
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And who, exactly, designed this clusterf***?

 

The same cretins who invented TARP?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:32 | 1062938 Bicycle Repairman
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GE, apparently.  Including the "spent rods above the reactor" feature.  I'm stunned.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:09 | 1062347 davepowers
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thanks for posting Tom Joad

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1062464 jmc8888
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Those rods have got to be heavy.  I wonder how many it takes (if assuming same weight) to weigh 1760 tons?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:06 | 1061904 Citxmech
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What happend to all your bullshit about how everything was OK, and all the doomers were just full of shit, Mr. T/Amercia?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:16 | 1061958 TeamAmerica
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Try working on your reading skills, idiot.   I said WE were ok here in the USA*.   Never said the Japanese had nothing to worry about.

*and still do.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 19:00 | 1063855 Lord Koos
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"The situation at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has become extremely unnerving. The Tokyo Electric Power Company has now admitted that the spent fuel rods could go critical - that is, a nuclear chain reaction could restart." This would be an absolute worst case disaster which would make Chernobyl look like a dress rehearsal."

In the instance of a major radiation release, potentially worse than Chernobyl (a possibility discussed by US nuclear experts, see above) jet streams could carry the radiation right to the US.  

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1061928 almost_have_a_name
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We have plenty of housing available here...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:17 | 1062422 francis_the_won...
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Even better, we might actually get some people who would go to Padres' games.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:40 | 1061685 trav7777
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lol...meltdown has been known for days.  Chu is useless.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:42 | 1061709 CPL
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He works for the government.  Did you expect anyless from a civil servant placed by cronyism and politics?  Didn't even have to take a test or anything, just given the appointment like all Departmental Chiefs.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1061780 velobabe
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well he obviously is asian, you would think he would be quite concerned for this region.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1061868 CPL
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Must have been hired because of his huge cock then.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1061810 Saxxon
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The decision to up the nominal dose threshold is a sign of pure, unadulterated panic.  This is death by government.  One is well advised to keep their own counsel and trust none of these millipedes, which appear to all have been educated in the same school.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1061876 CPL
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I understand the school involves a heavy curriculum of inner tubes, rope and bananas

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:26 | 1062472 chinaguy
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Funny! & for this you were junked?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 17:58 | 1063500 CPL
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I have my "fans".  ZH isn't about anything but letting it hang out without a filter.  Surprisingly the signal to noise ratio is pretty good.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:44 | 1061714 Alienated Serf
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i thought this was no big deal.

i sense a lot of abuse in your future.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:46 | 1061738 LFMayor
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ROFL  +88x roetgen

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1061794 trav7777
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you obviously have me confused with somebody else

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1061896 blunderdog
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It's the worst nuclear accident in history.  A very big deal.

It's not a significant health-threat to people living in the 50 states of the USA, just like the nukes we dropped in WWII were not.

The Union Carbide disaster in Bhopal was a horrible disaster.  A very big deal.  It didn't threaten the welfare of the residents of Buenos Aires.

This should not be beyond anyone's comprehension after getting past the CAPTCHA for posting privileges.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:16 | 1061966 Cursive
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@blunderdog

trav7777 was flaming the board Monday night and mocking anyone remotely concerned about a meltdown or radioactive release. FYI.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:25 | 1062044 trav7777
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Should be pretty easy to cite where I did that, then.

In fact, I mocked the petrification over radiation levels at "20x" normal and these other low multiples.

And I was not alone...apparently you forgot Banana Equivalent Dose.  But, hey, let's not let pesky facts get in the way of a chance to be hysterical and babble about conspiracies and lying governments and earthquake machines and other nonsense.

You would never catch me mocking anyone who was afraid of the radiation levels at Fukushima because those are legitimately dangerous.  But a geiger at Tokyo registering 10 more cpm?  Nothing to worry about.

You need to read those last two sentences TOGETHER, and I have realized that is a problem for many people around here.  They do not understand the specifics, so they latch onto a binary determination "either he is agreeing with me and if he is not, I will infer that he suggests the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I believe."

I still do not expect a serious consequence as a result of reactors at Fukushima.  The SFPs on the other hand...these pose a far greater risk, and this risk wasn't well-known by anyone until days after the accident.  This is why I have begun saying that TEPCO should let the reactors do whatever they're going to do and simply focus all efforts on fire suppression.  The cores in these uncooled reactors have already melted, either partially or totally- this much is obvious.  The containment system will function like it did at TMI.

However, if the spent fuel rods catch fire, all hell may very well break loose.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:18 | 1061971 Cursive
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@blunderdog

trav7777 was flaming the board Monday night and mocking anyone remotely concerned about a meltdown or radioactive release. FYI.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:26 | 1061978 Cursive
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ZH servers are maxxed out

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1061987 Cursive
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f the iphone

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1062028 treasurefish
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Can you say that again?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:43 | 1061716 NotApplicable
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LOL, WUT?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:48 | 1061742 Client 9
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To Tyler Durden-

Why is this person permitted to continue posting here.  He is a known racist.  How can you openly condone such behavior by opening up your forum to his poisonous thoughts and comments?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1061753 WineSorbet
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The First Amendment is just sooo inconvenient.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1061788 smithcreek
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Not that I have an opinion on the poster in question, but this far into the whole internet revolution thing, do people really still need to be explained how the first amendment doesn't apply on a private website?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1061797 RichardENixon
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I'm surprised people still think there's a first amendment.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:04 | 1061883 Alienated Serf
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1st amendment applies to gov. not private entities. 

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:57 | 1061808 WineSorbet
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Thanks genius, I understand.  However, what makes ZH the last great source of information on the internet is that Tyler and Co abide by the first admendment.  It's an ideal to be lived up to, public or private.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:01 | 1061857 smithcreek
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He's not "abiding" by the first amendment because it simply does not apply.  If you wanted to say "I'm glad ZH lets people post whatever they want" then you should have said that.  I've seen hundreds of posts where ignorant people seriously claim their first amendment rights are being violated on private forums and you wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of them, would you?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1061877 WineSorbet
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Like I said, it's a choice of the moderator to implement a code of freedom of speech.  I applaud ZH for its choice.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1061834 faustian bargain
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Selectively shutting out voices that offend (some people, some of the time) is detrimental to the integrity of private discussion fora. It's nothing to do with rights - it's everything to do with the reputation of ZH. Which means, ultimately, the choice is theirs and the judgement is everyone else's.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:02 | 1062292 MsCreant
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Yup. Glad to see you faust. Someone else has been using that avatar around here.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:52 | 1061766 bob_dabolina
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Don't be so sensitive.

Freedom of speech to say what you want

Freedom of choice to read what you choose.

Skip over his comments if they are causing you palpatations.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:50 | 1062634 jmc8888
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It's like the Gilbert Gottfried comments.  He's a COMEDIAN. Comedians sometimes make bad jokes.  That was a horrible joke.  But it's protected by the 1st ammendment.

....except when it doesn't....because there is thing called twitter, and everybody overreacts to a bad comics (probably drunken) words. (who the hell follows him???)

Hell I didn't know he was the AFLAC duck.  As soon as they said it, I was like oh yeah.  But they FIRED him, even though his face, isn't on it, and his voice, isn't recognized by 99 percent of people.

No matter what a person says, (aside from the fire in a croweded building type things), that speech is protected. Even awful, vile, and tasteless comments.  You can't have free speech without protecting those things.  YOU CANNOT.  It just comes with the territory.  Get used to it, or this territory, isn't America.

Personally I think GG should sue, since he isn't the 'face' of the duck, just the unknown voice of it. 

Quite frankly it shows you that this country is turning fascist (and lots of other -ist ideologies) when over 70 percent think an unseen person should be fired from their jobs based on such comments.

Fuck what Gilbert Gottfried says, but no true American would accept him being fired based off it. (again it isn't like Michael Jordan and Hanes, it's the unknown voice of a cartoon duck = not same prinicple)

Just wait, almost everybody by this measure WILL BE fired based off their facebook/other pages.  Don't think it'll happen? Yeah right.  Some even say your 'online' prescence will be more important than your resume in a few years.  All that partying stuff now? Future political scandals are already online, its just their words, aren't that of a current politician or business head.  When they are, watch out.

Fascism here we already are, and all the fools (some of who still mistakenly THINK they are patriots) are actively on the wrong side.  Want GG fired? You are part of the problem.

Think he was wrong to say it, awesome, you're right.  Want him fired, you're dead wrong!  Walls are going up all around us, and nobody notices.   The spirit of America is just that, and it cannot be put on hold because you don't like a tasteless comment.  If anything, that's the stupidest reason to weaken your rights.

As for ZH, they do things appropriate on the matter.  As for the individual reader, skip over it's only a mouse click or scroll wheel away.  If you want everyone to take all the 'bad stuff' out of your life, than be prepared to be led to your own slaughter, at your request.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:00 | 1062699 -Michelle-
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Was he thrown in jail over those comments?  No?  Oh, I guess the First Amendment is still working then.

He was fired from a private gig.  Aflac apparently has quite a few customers in Japan.  If they want to sever ties they are free to do so.

If I own a business, I get to choose who works for me.  I don't see how a "true American" would try to force a company to employ those they don't wish to.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1061781 CPL
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Ummm, Trav7777 is annoying but so am I...so are you.  Enjoy the diversity of ZH and the colourful language.

 

You'll never find anything like it in anyother financial resource online.

 

To everyone...I love you all and hate you all at the same time.  Come join me on the deck chairs and we'll watch the world burn together.  Beer's in the fridge.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1061823 Saxxon
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Well stated CPL but exactly how is that fridge powered?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1061856 CPL
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By atomic funk...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1061784 BigJim
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To Tyler Durden-

Why is this person permitted to continue posting here.  He is a known enemy of free speech. How can you openly condone such behavior by opening up your forum to his poisonous thoughts and comments?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1061813 Client 9
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Hate speech is not condoned in a tolerant society.  In many countries it is criminalized.  It should be in America as well.  Trav777 commits hate speech crimes on a regular basis.  He should probably be sent to prison for his hatred.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1061826 trav7777
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be very specific to quote my hate speech...provide examples

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1061894 Ahmeexnal
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That's the kind of response one would expect from Blythe Masters and other members of the power elite.

You are a full blown racist, a coward for denying it.

And a poor idiot who has overnight become a self-appointed armchair nuclear expert.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:13 | 1061952 trav7777
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that was a tour de force of logical fallacy.

Try some evidence next time- CITE the hate speech.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:25 | 1062061 spartan117
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Evidence?  One only has to click on your name and rifle through your posts to prove you are a racist tard. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1062147 trav7777
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good then you will provide some cites

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:12 | 1062382 spartan117
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Here you go, you dumb shit. 

 

by trav7777
on Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:30
#1015445


I personally think this whole China gold thing is overstated and misleading.  Chinks are buying gold because it's a symbol of wealth and it is an asset, the same as indians do.

There just aren't that many assets out there with comparable attributes in this regard.  I don't think that the average chinaman understands "inflation" all that well nor the broader concepts of monetary policy or the yuan peg.  They just know that gold is worthful, they desire it, and with all the money flowing in China they are buying symbols of affluence, gold, cars, etc.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:01 | 1062709 Sean7k
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By this definition, using the term, "bankster" would make me a racist. Grow a thicker skin.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:45 | 1062195 Client 9
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Please ban the known racist for his hate speech. http://188.126.66.68/article/gmac-q4-loss-comes-5-billion-week-after-tax... by trav777 on Tue, 01/05/2010 - 17:45 #183398 Yeah, um, before this happens, let's all remember that debt is a state of mind. It's a paper thing, a fiction. A promise. Not the same as an actual black hole on a collision course with the earth at a few astronomical units. Life will go on if the freakin bondholders (aka rich) don't get paid. The rich don't pay fuckin taxes, they lend to the gov't at interest. Time to de-jew them and make them into equity holders instead of usury lenders.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:59 | 1062287 SilverRhino
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Shut the fuck up already.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:43 | 1062589 avonaltendorf
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trav777 contributes knowledge, speaks candidly, has an ego the size of Montana. You, on the other hand, Client 9, are a putz.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 17:07 | 1062776 Mark McGoldrick
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Trav777 (7) is really god-damn smart.  He's also a bigot, openly racist and admits to watching Nickelodeon, but I value his very informative contributions much more than I loathe his racism and television habits. If everyone here was as insightful as Trav, this forum could easily replace a 100K college education.  In fact, I'd willingly replace 50 loony doomer goons for one additional Trav, any day.  

What's more interesting to me is the ZH community, as a whole.  When Trav777 - 3 sevens - was originally banned by Marla for being a bigot in Jan 2010, there seemed to be less tolerance for bigotry judging from the comments before/after the post that got him banned.  Now, the reaction to Trav is quite the opposite. It seems the bigotry is much more tolerated and defended.    

Has the audience at ZH changed (more hillbilly doomer goons?), or are we just more willing to ignore racist remarks if the poster is considered a valuable contributor?

I, for one, am part of the latter group.  I hope you keep posting Trav - I've learned a lot from you. 

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:58 | 1062694 Sean7k
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"de-jew" them is "hate" speech? You obviously have no idea what hate speech is. Trav is not advocating violence, he is being critical of an aspect of personality or character. Hate speech involves a call to action that is violent and dangerous. That is not what has been said here. 

Why don't you take that boot out of your mouth and check out a dictionary.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1062039 spartan117
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+1000

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:25 | 1062041 RichardP
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I'm not supporting trav here.  Just making a point.  I remember reading trav for a long time.  Your charge about him being racist draws a blank from me.  I couldn't tell you what race he is against.  And hate speech?  Plenty of what trav has said gets an immediate negative emotional arousal out of me.  But your term of hate speech draws a blank from me as well.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:27 | 1062066 Alienated Serf
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Client 9 is obviously a politically correct hamyWanger trying to stir us up for a good laugh.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:14 | 1062394 spartan117
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by trav7777
on Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:30
#1015445


I personally think this whole China gold thing is overstated and misleading.  Chinks are buying gold because it's a symbol of wealth and it is an asset, the same as indians do.

There just aren't that many assets out there with comparable attributes in this regard.  I don't think that the average chinaman understands "inflation" all that well nor the broader concepts of monetary policy or the yuan peg.  They just know that gold is worthful, they desire it, and with all the money flowing in China they are buying symbols of affluence, gold, cars, etc.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1061905 Alienated Serf
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COMPLETELY off topic question.  what is with the "7777" in so many usernames (all over the intertubes).  We have trav, snowball and a few others.  Do those numbers mean anything?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1061934 LFMayor
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naw... they're just lucky!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:17 | 1061967 trav7777
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it means we are part of the massive conspiracy of NWO who likes the number 7.  We used our earthquake machine on Japan and now are remotely controlling a flock of pigeons to go shit on your car. 

FEAR US

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1062026 LFMayor
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Okay... that there was pretty fucking cool man!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:25 | 1062055 Alienated Serf
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i knew it.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:30 | 1062094 LFMayor
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That Trav and i are lovers?  Dammit Trav, you said you wouldn't tell, bitch...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:32 | 1062264 Mark McGoldrick
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-

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1061843 CPL
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Lithium...it's not just for breakfast anymore.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1061866 faustian bargain
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Hate speech IS condoned by law in a free society, however. I would politely suggest you take your authoritarian predilections and shove them up your ass.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:50 | 1062235 Client 9
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

 

Switzerland

In Switzerland public discrimination or invoking to rancor against persons or a group of people because of their race, ethnicity, is getting penalized with a term of imprisonment until 3 years or a mulct. In 1934, the authorities of the Basel-Stadt canton criminalized anti-Jewish hate speech, e.g. the accusation of ritual murders, mostly in reaction against a pro-nazi antisemitic group and newspaper, the Volksbund.[29]

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1062378 Alienated Serf
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Harry, nice to see you again.  Glad you have chosen free speech to stir the pot this time instead of permabullishness.

Now, please killyourself.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:53 | 1062662 Sean7k
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For many of us, this is America. Take your fascism and go.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1061902 alien-IQ
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what kind of spineless coward calls speech a crime?

Man up bitch. If you don't like it...WALK AWAY!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:15 | 1061918 LFMayor
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Your "tolerant society" is exactly why the world is in this goddamn mess up to it's neck.   Meaning all the messes.   This shit about feelings is why we've folded like a whore's pantyhose hitting the floor these past 40 years.  Why did the Romans hold the western world in hand for 1000 years?  Without the stirrup or the yoke, even?  It sure as hell wasn't because they were worried about feelings.

I might disagree with Trav777 often, and I admit enjoying it when he gets an alley beating, but he gives as good as he gets and the only one worried about prison should be you, you simpering faint heart.  Because if you ever go, I predict you're gonna be getting a pair of tits tattoo'd on your back.

That is all.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1061939 BigJim
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Oooo, no, Trav is a raaaaaascist! So what. He's got some stupid opinions on the subject of race, get over it. He's a lot more interesting than you are.

And you are conflating 'condoning' and 'permitting'. Go back to Huffpo.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:28 | 1062000 DiverCity
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You are a fool, Client 9, imbibing, as you clearly have, at the well of intolerant tolerance.  You and Ahmeexnal are dangerous religionists who seek to remake the world in your own image and belief of what is just and holy.  Your anathema is "raaaaaaaaaaaaacist," which you ascribe to heretics on a regular basis when someone commits the grievous sin in your jaded religionist eyes of departing from accepted orthodoxy.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:59 | 1062281 Client 9
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I am agnostic.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:56 | 1062664 DiverCity
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From a Darwinian perspective, for most folks religion is hardwired.  Your religion can be labeled secular universalism or arch-nondiscrimination.  It has an orthodoxy, punishments (e.g., your request for a ban), criminal hate speech laws, etc.  You contend that the speech that you dislike by Trav is inherently evil and hateful.  Why?  In all of modern human behavioral history such has been the norm.  I acknowledge it's not currently the norm in western societies.  But it might be again someday.  In fact, it likely will be.  So enjoy the fact that your belief system is currently ascendant but don't expect everyone who hasn't imbibed the kool-aid to join in with you.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:27 | 1062073 Daphneisfedup
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You should read up on how the "hate speech" laws are being implemented in parts of Europe.  People have gone to jail for trying to speak up about how massive muslim immigration has negatively impacted their countries.  I live in the US, so I only know this secondhand, but my impression is that if people tiptoe and use only the gentlest of speech, they will not be prosecuted, but saying something like "those muslims are ruining this country" in a pub can get you thrown in jail if you are overheard by the wrong people.

I fail nearly all racism litmus tests since I believe some differences between races are more than skin deep - and I am willing to say so.  I think almost everybody would fail current racism litmus tests if we could read their thoughts.

True, the really hateful words of some racists are pretty repugnant, but it's natural to feel resentful about having to move (at great personal expense and inconvenience) to a "better" school district, when your neighborhood starts to "celebrate" a little too much diversity.   I would vote for drawing the line at inciting violence - but not at suggesting some groups should be deported or at snide comments or insults.

 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:26 | 1065359 TheGreatPonzi
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+1

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:30 | 1062091 Husk-Erzulie
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Fuckin ay...tag team wankers lol

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:34 | 1062113 Daphneisfedup
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You should read up on how the "hate speech" laws are being implemented in parts of Europe.  People have gone to jail for trying to speak up about how massive muslim immigration has negatively impacted their countries.  I live in the US, so I only know this secondhand, but my impression is that if people tiptoe and use only the gentlest of speech, they will not be prosecuted, but saying something like "those muslims are ruining this country" in a pub can get you thrown in jail if you are overheard by the wrong people.

I fail nearly all racism litmus tests since I believe some differences between races are more than skin deep - and I am willing to say so.  I think almost everybody would fail current racism litmus tests if we could read their thoughts.

True, the really hateful words of some racists are pretty repugnant, but it's natural to feel resentful about having to move (at great personal expense and inconvenience) to a "better" school district, when your neighborhood starts to "celebrate" a little too much diversity.   I would vote for drawing the line at inciting violence - but not at suggesting some groups should be deported or at snide comments or insults.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:37 | 1062117 Husk-Erzulie
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All speech is tolerated in a free society.  Freedom? You assholes can't handle freedom.  Go back to sucking Bammy's cock.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:36 | 1062133 karzai_luver
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try this for hate.

 

you fukin clown . slink back down into your shithole of a life and die.

 

pos.

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:55 | 1062262 Client 9
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That kind of hatred is fine.  You can hate me as much as you want for my opinions and comments.  But you can't hate me for being of a certain race.  Not publicly at least.  That is called hate speech. Trav777 should be sent to prison for his crimes.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:48 | 1062143 Sean7k
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Client 9,

Do you understand what tolerance is? Sent to prison? Really? What a nazi.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:41 | 1062975 Bicycle Repairman
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ZH isn't a tolerant society.  If you object to his comments, perhaps you should ignore him, challenge him or seek "tolerant society".

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:53 | 1061791 faustian bargain
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What's the problem, you've run out of antidote already?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:55 | 1061805 Misean
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I'll join the fray, and stand up for Trav's right to make an ass of himself, should he so choose. Go find a nice PC place to cuddle up with if your sensibilities are offended. The MSM is full of that shit.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:19 | 1061990 stormsailor
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talk about sensibilities and diversity, look at the white house and the cabinet. only thing they are missing is a retard.

 

oh, never mind........

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:23 | 1062038 LFMayor
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dude, they don't need one. The have all the other "magic" kinds covered.  The deal is salted.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:24 | 1062046 Ident 7777 economy
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Great minds .... discuss ideas
Average minds ... discuss events 
small minds ... . discuss people

 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:46 | 1062207 Cursive
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Well said.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:51 | 1062236 Alienated Serf
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another 7777 cultist!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:01 | 1062288 Ident 7777 economy
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Obviously not a pilot ...

Transponder codes

Transponder codes are four digit numbers transmitted by the transponder in an aircraft in response to a secondary surveillance radar interrogation signal to assist air traffic controllers in traffic separation. A discrete transponder code (often called a squawk code) is assigned by air traffic controllers to uniquely identify an aircraft. This allows easy identity of the aircraft on radar.

Squawk/Ident codes are four-digit octal numbers; the dials on a transponder read from zero to seven inclusive. Thus the lowest possible squawk is 0000 and the highest is 7777. 

Routine codes
7004: Aerobatic and display code in some countries.[12]
7010: VFR circuit traffic code in the UK
707X: Paradrop activities in France (7070, 7071, 7072...)
7615: Australia: civil flights engaged in littoral surveillance.[15]
7777: military interception

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:15 | 1062392 Alienated Serf
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an actual answer!!  thank you. 

i flew a cessna for a few min when i was 17, does that count?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:50 | 1062639 Ident 7777 economy
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Sure ...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1061809 dark pools of soros
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thoughts are thoughts.. past inclinations shouldn't set your mind about any future information..  judge everything by itself here..  piece by piece

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:57 | 1061816 trav7777
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ROTFL

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1061831 alien-IQ
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I'd rather be surrounded by people who are free post opinions I oppose or even despise than be surrounded by people who are forced to agree with me.

political correctness is merely code for insincere and a guise for suppression of free speech.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1061908 Alienated Serf
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Client 9 must be European.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:08 | 1062345 Smiley
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First amendment stipulates you have to take the bad with the good.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:39 | 1061687 geminiRX
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Time to ride the VIX

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1061787 reading
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Should be interesting to see what the vix does since it is within spitting distance of it's high in August when the well planned, vapor-fueled (latest of many) rally began.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:05 | 1061884 geminiRX
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When Tokyo is vacated, the 3rd largest economy will sink into the toilet and leave a massive economic black hole that will suck the rest of the worlds economy into it. That's my thesis now. Working on the balls to short the DJIA

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:41 | 1061689 Robot Traders Mom
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This is going to end about as well as Harry Wanger walking into a house and seeing Chris Hansen of Dateline in the kitchen...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:46 | 1061724 Alienated Serf
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classic.  i needed that on a day where it feels like the world is ending.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1061815 RichardENixon
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I wondered what happened to Harry.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:41 | 1061690 CPL
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That radius keeps getting bigger everyday.  Eventually most of Japan will be standing in the Ocean.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:51 | 1061760 Oh regional Indian
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CPL, all of Japan currently stands in the ocean.

Trouble will be if it lies down in it.

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1061796 CPL
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I was thinking the general population...but yes...Japan is in the Ocean.  Water is wet.  The sand is gritty and the Martini's are dry.

 

<jazz hands>

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1061849 Oh regional Indian
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A little gallows humor is all. ;-) if i were a drinking man, it'd be Jim Beam today.

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:10 | 1061932 Alienated Serf
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I see Upsate NY has rubbed off on you.  Jim Beam?  yuck.  Basel Hayden's, now that is good.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:35 | 1062126 PeterSchump
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Is that a Swiss knockoff of Kentucky bourbon?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:54 | 1062254 Alienated Serf
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Na, smallbatch bourbon put out by Jim Beam. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:43 | 1062168 Oh regional Indian
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Basel hayden's eh? Hmmmm, I guess serf's up and I'm "it".

;-)

ORI

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:42 | 1062160 baby_BLYTHE
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Plain ole' Smirnoff for me today.

No class!

ZH open + chatting with my friends on gmail + watching Apocalypse Now in HD

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1061824 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""That radius keeps getting bigger everyday.  Eventually most of Japan will be standing in the Ocean.""

When does Mt Fuji blow its top?

Mt Fuji sits where three tectonic plates meet...

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/03/when-does-mt-fuji-blow-its-top.html

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:42 | 1061693 Ident 7777 economy
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More on the earlier news that Steven Chu "thought" a partial meltdown may have occurred

- - - - - - -

Is this his original statement - or the revision?

Edit:

" More on the earlier news that Steven Chu "thought" a partial meltdown may have occurred " 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:39 | 1061695 John Law Lives
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Wow!  That is a substantial area.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:42 | 1061697 99er
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