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Is US Foreign Policy Crippled Following Latest Wikileaks Dump?

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Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:47 | 759138 TheGreatPonzi
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Internet will kill governments, said one thinker in the late 1990s.

Seems to be happening right now.

Until the famous "Internet kill switch" proposed by Rockefeller...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:49 | 759152 Azannoth
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The Internet kill switch can only be used once, than all people will reroute their Internet traffic avoiding the USA and it's blockade

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:35 | 759250 More Critical T...
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The latest Wikileaks data dump has been released [...]

Wikileaks is citizen's CCTV of government officials.

If they did nothing wrong then they have nothing to fear!

I love it how this classic argument against privacy of the individual (searches at borders, warrant-less surveillance of all Internet packets and all telephone conversations, full body scans, CCTV cameras everywhere, etc.) can be turned around and applied symmetrically and fairly to government and corporate officials as well.

And it's interesting to see how they squirm under the sunlight and claim that when it is Wikileaks and citizens that are doing the surveillance, then it is suddenly somehow wrong.

Every government official and every big corporation official should have a public webcam installed in their office. Citizens want to see who meets whom and why. How are our taxes spent and how are our markets being divided? We pay them - and we want to know what happens with our money. Fair is fair.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:05 | 759325 Highrev
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Nice post MCTW.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 18:08 | 759454 MeTarzanUjane
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Listen more critical T. We will see. If we, the people loose faith in .gov then we need to replace it with faith in ZH? Is that what you are saying. Oh I see.

If that faith in .gov begins to erode then gold should increase in value. Lets see what happens this week. It should be interesting.

Time to buy bonds or time to buy gold?

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:20 | 759587 More Critical T...
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Why have "faith" in any of these entities?

How about having enough data, using our brain and applying critical thinking ourselves? That's more than enough IMO.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 22:51 | 760050 i-dog
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"If we, the people loose faith in .gov then we need to replace it with faith in ZH? Is that what you are saying. Oh I see."

False dichotomy. There are many other alternatives. Think.

You add no value here ... indeed, you are an embarassment to the site with your shallow thinking and trolling.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 23:46 | 760142 MeTarzanUjane
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There was this one time while I was reading a Tyler story. I looked over and there was a fly on the wall bugging me with some such story about arbitrage or something. Anyway I looked at it then continued looking at the Tyler story wondering "why did Tyler write this".

This one time I surfing the webs and I saw a story about peak. So I clicked through and there it was, oilprice.com giving me a quote on crude. I did not make a trade cuz I thought it could have been considered insider information.

What?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:34 | 760457 jeff montanye
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at least one promise obama made is coming true: the most transparent administration in u.s. history.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 06:02 | 760525 i-dog
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Indeed. I wonder if Obama passed the communications to Wikileaks to keep his promise?!! (or to embarass Hilary :)  hehe

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 23:47 | 760144 GoinFawr
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"Spy on them as they spy on us."

-Hackers

"That's the spirit!"
-Bladerunner

 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 05:54 | 760520 HankPaulson
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Well said MCTW. Democracy requires citizens to choose, and choices require information. (I love it when folks choose the red pill. Go ZH!)

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:56 | 759179 Ethics Gradient
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It's apparent that the thinker you refer to forgot that the vast majority of people don't think and are therefore unconcerned with anything that doesn't affect their ability to afford an iPhone.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:38 | 759629 redpill
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What do you mean afford an iPhone?  Just put it on a credit card!  /USconsumer

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:58 | 759184 Whatta
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well, the US government closed down over 70 websites this past week

"The new seizures also come as a new bill, the Combating Online Infringements and Counterfeits Act, is making its way through Congress. The bill, which was approved by a Senate committee last week, would allow the government to shut down sites that are “dedicated to infringing activities.”"

Infringements can mean a lot of things...

I also here wikileaks is/was under cyber attack. Gee, three guesses who is perpetrating that crime?

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:36 | 759893 dark pools of soros
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there is talk of bombing their servers

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:22 | 759232 ThisIsBob
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"You cannot start a revolution without a printing press."  (Marx)

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:14 | 759338 Uncle Remus
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Wait....is that irony?

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:20 | 759588 xenophobe51
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Like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a manifesto.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 20:09 | 759713 Uncle Remus
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Well, since there is no spoon...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:41 | 759899 MasterB
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Oops - gotta get me a new icon - my apologies Unca Remus.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:06 | 760310 Widowmaker
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No, the Internet is the new press.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:57 | 759304 flaunt
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I certainly hope that is the case.  We've suffered through one of the worst periods of malfeasance on the part of governments in the history of mankind.  The idea that the powerbrokers now think they've made a case for world government is absolutely mind boggling.  What they've actually made is a brutally clear case for is statelessness.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:38 | 760460 jeff montanye
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"nothing to kill or die for (and no religion too)".

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:46 | 759142 sabra1
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waiting for the wikileaks financial edition!

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:50 | 759287 Dabale arroz a ...
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Yes!! Remember BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International)

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:54 | 759932 AbandonShip
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Wow.  I was just talking to my dad about BCCI this weekend.  The whole bank shutdown every global branch in 4 hours once their dirty laundry hit the headlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Credit_and_Commerce_International

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:47 | 759146 Azannoth
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Dick Cheney is spinning in his grave,              oh wait

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 23:50 | 760153 GoinFawr
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Don't tease us like that!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:40 | 760463 jeff montanye
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classic.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:47 | 759147 NotAlwaysSo
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Nothing we didn't already know or suspect really. Will be fun watching all the countries implicated acting as if they are better than the U.S.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:48 | 759148 johngaltfla
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I'm still reading what documents I can access and I can assure you of one thing: Both the Bush and Obama administrations look like crap. This isn't going to be a walk in the park in the markets this week as a result, IMHO.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 22:31 | 760016 CPL
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Looks like the media is spinning it where the US is a hero by selectively picking out three memo's.  Appearently Bush is a born again hero of the republic.

 

At least there are more names to skull from them to research and eyeball.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:48 | 759150 TheGreatPonzi
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I can't access to Wikileaks right now (France, SFR).

Just a momentary server overload?

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:50 | 759158 Azannoth
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Having trouble connecting from Germany to, server overload i guess 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:49 | 759283 Sabibaby
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Can't access from 80002, CO, USA

 

if you're going to comment, they already know where I live....

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 20:11 | 759715 flacon
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That's ok. They probably know I live in a house too. 

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:37 | 759263 johngaltfla
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DOS attack per their tweets...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:07 | 759326 chet
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I have no love for the Feds, but I certainly hope we're trying to crash Wikileaks permenantly. We have no moral obligation to allow some international site to post national security information.

Frankly, if we can't fry Wikileaks, I'd be very concerned for our cyberwarfare capabilities. CIA might as well pay a visit to the site's founder while we're at it.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 17:46 | 759403 nonclaim
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Any computer connected to the internet can be a server, so what if Wikileaks goes silent...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 18:17 | 759472 shortus cynicus
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</irony>

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 20:11 | 759718 Uncle Remus
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You should be concerned for US cyberwarfare capabilities in any event.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 20:16 | 759731 Eureka Springs
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These sir, are words of a coward. WHat is a crying shame of an embarrassment is that we the people don't have immediate and constant access/ability to see/post these documents every day, as they happen. The fact a foreigner can or would pull this off is a great service from a citizen of the world.

 

You seemed to be ashamed for all the wrong reasons. These "diplomatic" files all read like a bunch bloggers talking about nutcases anyhow... to expect any different wuold be absurd. And to allow itto be treated as sacrosanct is tyrannical (or embracement of tyranny)

wake up!

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:00 | 759735 Eureka Springs
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deleted duplicate.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 03:50 | 760470 jeff montanye
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"no love for the feds" but this diplomatic chatter is "national security information" requiring a cia visit to the founder?  for what, a little wetwork?   

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 18:14 | 759464 MeTarzanUjane
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If Marla got Wikileaks then ZH would be under a full scale DOS episode.

Sacrilege would be wetting the bed right now.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:48 | 759151 NotAlwaysSo
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Almost feel bad for Hillary...

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:22 | 759233 Windemup
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Ha, ha.

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