Is US Foreign Policy Crippled Following Latest Wikileaks Dump?

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TheGreatPonzi's picture

Internet will kill governments, said one thinker in the late 1990s.

Seems to be happening right now.

Until the famous "Internet kill switch" proposed by Rockefeller...

Azannoth's picture

The Internet kill switch can only be used once, than all people will reroute their Internet traffic avoiding the USA and it's blockade

More Critical Thinking Wanted's picture


The latest Wikileaks data dump has been released [...]

Wikileaks is citizen's CCTV of government officials.

If they did nothing wrong then they have nothing to fear!

I love it how this classic argument against privacy of the individual (searches at borders, warrant-less surveillance of all Internet packets and all telephone conversations, full body scans, CCTV cameras everywhere, etc.) can be turned around and applied symmetrically and fairly to government and corporate officials as well.

And it's interesting to see how they squirm under the sunlight and claim that when it is Wikileaks and citizens that are doing the surveillance, then it is suddenly somehow wrong.

Every government official and every big corporation official should have a public webcam installed in their office. Citizens want to see who meets whom and why. How are our taxes spent and how are our markets being divided? We pay them - and we want to know what happens with our money. Fair is fair.

MeTarzanUjane's picture

Listen more critical T. We will see. If we, the people loose faith in .gov then we need to replace it with faith in ZH? Is that what you are saying. Oh I see.

If that faith in .gov begins to erode then gold should increase in value. Lets see what happens this week. It should be interesting.

Time to buy bonds or time to buy gold?

More Critical Thinking Wanted's picture

Why have "faith" in any of these entities?

How about having enough data, using our brain and applying critical thinking ourselves? That's more than enough IMO.

i-dog's picture

"If we, the people loose faith in .gov then we need to replace it with faith in ZH? Is that what you are saying. Oh I see."

False dichotomy. There are many other alternatives. Think.

You add no value here ... indeed, you are an embarassment to the site with your shallow thinking and trolling.

MeTarzanUjane's picture

There was this one time while I was reading a Tyler story. I looked over and there was a fly on the wall bugging me with some such story about arbitrage or something. Anyway I looked at it then continued looking at the Tyler story wondering "why did Tyler write this".

This one time I surfing the webs and I saw a story about peak. So I clicked through and there it was, giving me a quote on crude. I did not make a trade cuz I thought it could have been considered insider information.


jeff montanye's picture

at least one promise obama made is coming true: the most transparent administration in u.s. history.

i-dog's picture

Indeed. I wonder if Obama passed the communications to Wikileaks to keep his promise?!! (or to embarass Hilary :)  hehe

GoinFawr's picture

"Spy on them as they spy on us."


"That's the spirit!"


HankPaulson's picture

Well said MCTW. Democracy requires citizens to choose, and choices require information. (I love it when folks choose the red pill. Go ZH!)

Ethics Gradient's picture

It's apparent that the thinker you refer to forgot that the vast majority of people don't think and are therefore unconcerned with anything that doesn't affect their ability to afford an iPhone.

redpill's picture

What do you mean afford an iPhone?  Just put it on a credit card!  /USconsumer

Whatta's picture

well, the US government closed down over 70 websites this past week

"The new seizures also come as a new bill, the Combating Online Infringements and Counterfeits Act, is making its way through Congress. The bill, which was approved by a Senate committee last week, would allow the government to shut down sites that are “dedicated to infringing activities.”"

Infringements can mean a lot of things...

I also here wikileaks is/was under cyber attack. Gee, three guesses who is perpetrating that crime?

dark pools of soros's picture

there is talk of bombing their servers

ThisIsBob's picture

"You cannot start a revolution without a printing press."  (Marx)

xenophobe51's picture

Like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a manifesto.

Uncle Remus's picture

Well, since there is no spoon...

MasterB's picture

Oops - gotta get me a new icon - my apologies Unca Remus.

Widowmaker's picture

No, the Internet is the new press.

flaunt's picture

I certainly hope that is the case.  We've suffered through one of the worst periods of malfeasance on the part of governments in the history of mankind.  The idea that the powerbrokers now think they've made a case for world government is absolutely mind boggling.  What they've actually made is a brutally clear case for is statelessness.

jeff montanye's picture

"nothing to kill or die for (and no religion too)".

sabra1's picture

waiting for the wikileaks financial edition!

Dabale arroz a la zorra el abad's picture

Yes!! Remember BCCI (Bank of Credit and Commerce International)

AbandonShip's picture

Wow.  I was just talking to my dad about BCCI this weekend.  The whole bank shutdown every global branch in 4 hours once their dirty laundry hit the headlines.

Azannoth's picture

Dick Cheney is spinning in his grave,              oh wait

NotAlwaysSo's picture

Nothing we didn't already know or suspect really. Will be fun watching all the countries implicated acting as if they are better than the U.S.

johngaltfla's picture

I'm still reading what documents I can access and I can assure you of one thing: Both the Bush and Obama administrations look like crap. This isn't going to be a walk in the park in the markets this week as a result, IMHO.

CPL's picture

Looks like the media is spinning it where the US is a hero by selectively picking out three memo's.  Appearently Bush is a born again hero of the republic.


At least there are more names to skull from them to research and eyeball.

TheGreatPonzi's picture

I can't access to Wikileaks right now (France, SFR).

Just a momentary server overload?

Azannoth's picture

Having trouble connecting from Germany to, server overload i guess 

Sabibaby's picture

Can't access from 80002, CO, USA


if you're going to comment, they already know where I live....

flacon's picture

That's ok. They probably know I live in a house too. 

johngaltfla's picture

DOS attack per their tweets...

chet's picture

I have no love for the Feds, but I certainly hope we're trying to crash Wikileaks permenantly. We have no moral obligation to allow some international site to post national security information.

Frankly, if we can't fry Wikileaks, I'd be very concerned for our cyberwarfare capabilities. CIA might as well pay a visit to the site's founder while we're at it.

nonclaim's picture

Any computer connected to the internet can be a server, so what if Wikileaks goes silent...

Uncle Remus's picture

You should be concerned for US cyberwarfare capabilities in any event.

Eureka Springs's picture

These sir, are words of a coward. WHat is a crying shame of an embarrassment is that we the people don't have immediate and constant access/ability to see/post these documents every day, as they happen. The fact a foreigner can or would pull this off is a great service from a citizen of the world.


You seemed to be ashamed for all the wrong reasons. These "diplomatic" files all read like a bunch bloggers talking about nutcases anyhow... to expect any different wuold be absurd. And to allow itto be treated as sacrosanct is tyrannical (or embracement of tyranny)

wake up!

jeff montanye's picture

"no love for the feds" but this diplomatic chatter is "national security information" requiring a cia visit to the founder?  for what, a little wetwork?   

MeTarzanUjane's picture

If Marla got Wikileaks then ZH would be under a full scale DOS episode.

Sacrilege would be wetting the bed right now.

NotAlwaysSo's picture

Almost feel bad for Hillary...