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Is US Foreign Policy Crippled Following Latest Wikileaks Dump?
The latest Wikileaks data dump has been released and it is about to make the world hate the US just that little bit more: it represents a massive sampling of the daily traffic between the State Department and some 270 embassies and consulates. And as the attached front page of tomorrow's Der Spiegel shows, according to the unclassified US embassy cables, America had something quite unpleasant to say about virtually everyone, culminating with Ahmadinejad, who was called "Hitler." But aside from the unpleasantries which may or may not be buried (and don't expect a prompt burial: Der Spiegel is already on the case and has this to say, "251,000 State Department documents, many of them secret embassy reports from around the world, show how the US seeks to safeguard its influence around the world. It is nothing short of a political meltdown for US foreign policy") the far bigger question will be how the once great American superpower could have allowed such a huge oversight in traditionally classified diplomacy. Very soon the once-legendary US foreign service department will be butt of all jokes. Perhaps it is time for someone within the administration to finally take some blame for this fiasco, although we most certainly are not holding our breath for a Hillary Clinton resignation.
Here is more on Der Spiegel's early take of the wikileaks release:
Such surprises from the annals of US diplomacy will dominate the headlines in the coming days when the New York Times, London's Guardian, Paris' Le Monde, Madrid's El Pais and SPIEGEL begin shedding light on the treasure trove of secret documents from the State Department. Included are 243,270 diplomatic cables filed by US embassies to the State Department and 8,017 directives that the State Department sent to its diplomatic outposts around the world. In the coming days, the participating media will show in a series of investigative stories how America seeks to steer the world. The development is no less than a political meltdown for American foreign policy.
Never before in history has a superpower lost control of such vast amounts of such sensitive information -- data that can help paint a picture of the foundation upon which US foreign policy is built. Never before has the trust America's partners have in the country been as badly shaken. Now, their own personal views and policy recommendations have been made public -- as have America's true views of them.
A brief overview of the content by the NYT:
The cables show that nearly a decade after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the dark shadow of terrorism still dominates the United States’ relations with the world. They depict the Obama administration struggling to sort out which Pakistanis are trustworthy partners against Al Qaeda, adding Australians who have disappeared in the Middle East to terrorist watch lists, and assessing whether a lurking rickshaw driver in Lahore, Pakistan, was awaiting fares or conducting surveillance of the road to the American Consulate.
They show American officials managing relations with a China on the rise and a Russia retreating from democracy. They document years of painstaking effort to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon — and of worry about a possible Israeli strike on Iran with the same goal.
And cable specifics:
- Mixed records against terrorism: Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda,
and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the
American military for years, was the “worst in the region” in
counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last
December. Qatar’s security service was “hesitant to act against known
terrorists out of concern for appearing to be aligned with the U.S. and
provoking reprisals,” the cable said. - Arms deliveries to militants: Cables describe the United States’ failing struggle to prevent Syria from supplying arms to Hezbollah in Lebanon, which has amassed a huge stockpile since its 2006 war with Israel. One week after President Bashar al-Assad
promised a top State Department official that he would not send “new”
arms to Hezbollah, the United States complained that it had information
that Syria was providing increasingly sophisticated weapons to the
group. - A global computer hacking effort: China’s Politburo directed the
intrusion into Google’s computer systems in that country, a Chinese
contact told the American Embassy in Beijing in January, one cable
reported. The Google hacking was part of a coordinated campaign of
computer sabotage carried out by government operatives, private security
experts and Internet outlaws recruited by the Chinese government. They
have broken into American government computers and those of Western
allies, the Dalai Lama and American businesses since 2002, cables said. - A dangerous standoff with Pakistan over nuclear fuel: Since 2007, the
United States has mounted a highly secret effort, so far unsuccessful,
to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that
American officials fear could be diverted for use in an illicit nuclear
device. In May 2009, Ambassador Anne W. Patterson reported that
Pakistan was refusing to schedule a visit by American technical experts
because, as a Pakistani official said, “if the local media got word of
the fuel removal, ‘they certainly would portray it as the United States
taking Pakistan’s nuclear weapons,’ he argued.” -
Gaming out an eventual collapse of North Korea: American and South
Korean officials have discussed the prospects for a unified Korea,
should the North’s economic troubles and political transition lead the
state to implode. The South Koreans even considered commercial
inducements to China, according to the American ambassador to Seoul. She
told Washington in February that South Korean officials believe that
the right business deals would “help salve” China’s “concerns about
living with a reunified Korea” that is in a “benign alliance” with the
United States. -
Bargaining to empty the Guantánamo Bay prison: When American diplomats
pressed other countries to resettle detainees, they became reluctant
players in a State Department version of “Let’s Make a Deal.” Slovenia
was told to take a prisoner if it wanted to meet with President Obama,
while the island nation of Kiribati was offered incentives worth
millions of dollars to take in Chinese Muslim detainees, cables from
diplomats recounted. The Americans, meanwhile, suggested that accepting
more prisoners would be “a low-cost way for Belgium to attain prominence
in Europe.” -
Suspicions of corruption in the Afghan government: When Afghanistan’s
vice president visited the United Arab Emirates last year, local
authorities working with the Drug Enforcement Administration
discovered that he was carrying $52 million in cash. With wry
understatement, a cable from the American Embassy in Kabul called the
money “a significant amount” that the official, Ahmed Zia Massoud, “was
ultimately allowed to keep without revealing the money’s origin or
destination.” (Mr. Massoud denies taking any money out of Afghanistan.)
The Guardian has done a great cliff notes summary of some of the key cables after the jump:
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You're a shill. This has Mossad's phermones all over it. Just like 9/11.
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/11/gordon-duff-wikileaks-a-touch-of-assang...
I think the linked article raises a valid point regarding the source of the information.
Basically, we have a member of AIPAC stating that tons of classified info goes through there every week. That would account for the amount fo a Wikileaks dump. Also it would not be hard to put in a few bits to help your positions along. It will be interesting to see how the lawsuit turns out....
Some wise people said that:
initially intellectuals ruled the world
Then, fighters rules the world
Currently, businessmen / capitalists are ruling the world
Soon, with all the bailout mentality due to pressure of unions etc, the labor class will rule the world.
If you belong to middle class - your turn is skipped. You are just born and will die after paying all your bills without having any say in anything...
Just my 2 cents (from my learnings from some wise man)..
Yeah--the "labor class" LOL . Labor is only powerful when there's money to be shaken down. who are they going to shake down in your scenario? Each other?
It is "The Age of Kail" -- you will do as Kali demands, or face horrible death!
An example that a mind starved of truth will seek all means to justify the ends.
Calling a standing Head of State, however corrupt, "Hitler" is sophomoric. This is the perfect example of the complacent US government. A government grown lazy and disingenuous from its manipulation of oil, this by their lease on the world's reserve currency, the dollar.
Really not breaking stuff, but to have it front and center page while BlackHawk Cock Master Ben Bernanke stuffs tens of trillions of dollars down the throats of Major banks, including his own Private Federal Reserve, demonstrates the utter lack of reprise the Chef Masta Generals have when it comes to policy, deren polizei.
Yawn. If any of the revelations are even remotely surprising, you're not paying attention.
Hey, how about a flash mob in front of [insert government/bankster building location here] chanting "Bring out your dead"?
Julian should consider hiring the work of a VERY Quiet plastic surgan, and a new career fishing for a living on an abandoned tropical island. Anything besides hiding and someone is going to return this favor, with pleasure. Julian will not survive the Karma of this event.
Assange calls 911 truthers conspiracy people.
I don'ttrust him for a second.
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics___Eurasia/WikiLeaks/wikileaks.html
All the world's a stage. This has a "lindsey williams" feel to it. "Now listen, this is soooo important... Write this down" lol... Only to tell me what I already knew or could easily assume.
Your government is a sham... And the question should be... Why are they admitting it? Internet lockdown excuse?
The average educated person knows far more about how corrupt the system is than ten years ago. I have a theory that the internet is a technology that is actually wreaking havoc through its entertainment and attention-controlling systems. The mind controls the body, the internet controls the mind. It is possible that it is actually stealing our future, I hope not, but it's possible. It is creating a generation of prurient, analytical, voyeurs of an external world without truly conecting us to it--schizo-alienation.
"It is creating a generation of prurient, analytical, voyeurs of an external world without truly conecting us to it--schizo-alienation."
Of course it's possible.
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I feel interested by yet vaguely disconnected from this statement.
+/- 100
LOL ;-)
US foriegn policy? What's that?
Assange is a man with the balls.. made of steel! Respect! Internet must kill govrnments
If there is not one item concerning isntreal, then you know the source.
Don't know why you were junked because it's true.
Interesting how there are no Israel cables and yet there was a huge row over the settlement aways back...
I smell a rat. first, none of this is whistleblowing. this is wholesale breach of privacy. even if someone is attacking the great satan, what of the sensitive information from and about all of the other participants?
either this is nothing short of outright espionage against the US or this is a false flag operation.
evidence? none. just a deductive theory. this is not the first time wiki has done something like this. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems as though they have broken the law several times over many years. Yet, where is the grand jury? where are the arrest warrants? the government has done nothing but pathetic luke warm verbal protests.
If the government were serious, this man would be in custody. so why would they let him slide? patriot act 2-the internet addition? undermine the US as a world power? hello NWO
all of this stinks and I don't believe a thing wiki says. the shear size of the material means they could not have possible vetted, filtered, or judged it. they simply dumped it without any effort to understand the truth. will it hurt US operations, probably? will it endanger peoples lives possibly? will it escalate dangerous situations? destablize delicate balances?
whistleblowing is about exposing corruption, fraud, and wrongdoing, not gouging someones eye because you disagree with a policy. And this isn't an attack against a specific policy. this is just a blind assault against an undifferentiated mass of people, guilt or innocence be damned.
If I've told them once, i've told them a thousand times.... you have to turn on that McAfee Security Centre.
"This man would be in custody"!! You've been looking for bin laden for 10 years and you STILL can't find him!!!
Personally, i think its good that we get to hear the real story of what the americans think of every one else.
Lots of astroturf in this thread.
Well, my gubmint takes a good hard look under my hood. It is about time I get a good hard look under my gubmint's hood.
I think this all is a good thing. The gubmint has way to much unchecked power.
We're finally getting that openness and transparency. Well done, O!
I do not trust wikileaks' agenda
You could've stopped at "trust".
Better to be cynical than a sheep
better to be discerning than cynical
'epistemological warfare'
The moment you think you're cynical or paranoid enough, you're wrong.
Much ado about nothing. The synopsis seams like geopolitics as usual. Whether it is agit prop or not, it seems like there is nothing revelatory.
Agreed. This is what the US is worried about... reminds me of the last leak of information... yawn.
Assange should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. He is Prometheus.
Yes, I cannot wait until he WikiLeaks the entire 9/11 cover-up!!
There must be thousands of potential leakers out there who can give precise personal or documentary evidence of this greatest false-flag event in history!
Come on, you lot who placed the explosives and detonators in the WTC buildings - surely one of you can contact WikiLeaks?
What about you, the remote pilots of the robotic planes?
What about the logistical hundreds of people necessary to build, arm and deploy the missile pods underneath the planes? Can you be a hero, and contact WikiLeaks?
What about the hundreds of Federal agents, who "found" tattered passports, and plans and Korans in rental cars, surely just one of you can be a hero and and report these falsehoods to Julian Assange?
What about some of you 4,000 Jews (sorry, Zionists) who didn't turn up for work that morning - all it needs is "one" of you brave souls to describe to WikiLeaks how you were forewarned.
Please, I'm begging you! Just one of these multi-thousand probably innocent co-conspirators has to get it off their conscience after 9 years. I'm sure Julian could arrange a pardon for you - there might even be fame and considerable fortune coming your way.
Surely just one of this motley crew of the world's biggest conspiracy can annonymously tip the bucket of truth through WikiLeaks? Surely?
Jesus H. Christ.
2 junks, no response.
I'm afraid that ZH is heading towards a surreal pseudo-Rense existence, with troofers, anti-Semetics, and "log-cabin" types (guns, ammo, and beans, and I'll look after the Little Woman) clogging up sensible economic discourse and debate.
I have nearly had enough, and I feel that my IQ drops significant points every time I log on. Unfortunately, it is like a slow motion train-wreck, and I can't tear my eyes away.
Can't a single fucking truther arsehole provide valid reasons as to why no-one has spilled the beans in nine fucking years????
Oh, that's right, we will kill you.
Dude...TOTALLY don't worry about the junks. If you're in the single digits, you're what Willy Loman would call "well-liked."
Take it for granted that the asshole you hate most on Earth is posting here, and only drops by to junk your shit. Seriously.
Heh!
Perspective.
Largely due to the indefatigable investigations of Wayne Madsen published last March and receiving the attentions of several cut and paste artists on certain sites and blogs with varying and mostly limited commentary, Assange and WikiLeaks have been treated to a more thorough kind of exposure than the folderol accorded to them by the corporate media and a handful of the more credulous and sympathetic bloggers across the net.The most thorough treatment of the Madsen material was generously dispensed athttp://arthurzbygniew.blogspot.com/2010/03/soros-co-back-wikileaks-kosher-mob-oval.html-wikileaks-kosher-mob-oval.html and at an Infowars forum,http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=175998.0 although not to my knowledge on the main page. Madsen did not mention anything concerning the NSA and Assange/WikiLeaks and instead attempted to establish a CIA connection.As Madsen notes, John Young who cofounded WikiLeaks with Assange, quit the organization alleging CIA involvement, going on to found Cryptome, an organization which has encountered significant harassment and intimidation from government investigators as opposed to the apparent hands off approach to WikiLeaks. Prior to finding the above documents, we had discovered Assange's association with Ben Laurie a former intel/security specialist with Google who later became one of the principals of the Apache Software Foundation.
Laurie apparently has assumed the status of informal spokesperson and erstwhile "informal board of advisors"member for WikiLeaks.One has to wonder whether Laurie is just freelancing or is acting as an effective colporteur for the NSA. Our subsequent inquiries into Apache revealed an ongoing interface between Laurie's foundation and the NSA as well as the Bureau of Industry and Security /US Department of Commerce. For example, ASF was the hardware provider for the NSA's Red Hat Enterprise Linux S (October 21, 2009) We mention this only in reference to the increasingly blurred boundaries between so-called private sector security companies and their government, military, and corporate proprietary contracts.Yet given Madsen's in depth investigations concerning WikiLeaks and the CIA , such connections can only "add fuel to the fire". Indeed, Apache Webserver, "software of choice of 23 million websites worldwide" and a host of other ASF entities are all provided services by Covalent Technologies which numbers among its clients the major US financial institutions and international pharmaceutical giants as well as the ATF, NASA, and of course the NSA.This is in keeping with Alexander's assertion that "90% of the military's energy is generated and distributed by the private sector ( think BP) and 80% of its logistics are transported by private companies"(how about Halliburton) I think he forgot to mention funding via US treasury bonds gratis the Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs.http://kushmonster.blogspot.com/2010/08/bad-guys-black-hats.html
I think they should change their name from wikileaks to "weak"leaks.
This is a false flag to distract the public from the global financial meltown and to justify Internet censorship to prevent the masses from educating themselves further re the corruption upon which their financial and political systems are built.
Stolen post from AboveTopsecret.com:
Because Obama works for the House of Saud. His cover, and the Saudi's cover, is up. These cables will ultimately be Obama's undoing. This was a controlled release, by the U.S. military, to expose the 'truth'. That 'truth' being the current administration was a coup of the American government. This was the only way that the U.S. military could expose what is really going on.
The clock has just sped up, 10 fold. Expect some very serious repercussions. The House of Saud, and the current administration will not go down quietly. This is the beginning of the 'breaking point'. You've got to decide, very quickly, which side you believe and which side you'll stand behind and fight for.
This episode could be the deciding factor of whether America lives, or dies.
Oh, goodness--what to do?
A for effort right there.
Very dramatic. Shoot, I don't think I could top that one.
Why isnt anyone asking about Bandar bush? This guy disapeareed after rumors circulated about a failed coup with various reports of him at his compound in US and or in a jail in S/Q. He is reputed to have been the architect behind the Sunni awakening in Iraq with a treasure trove of info on the various Saudi involvements around the world. Where is he?
This is the only kind of shocker you'll find on cables involving Israel. Wow! who would have even guessed this kind of stuff!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/120696
Yes, I noticed that too. A little weak in the Israel cables...
Webster Tarpley calls Julian a patsy for the CIA.
People argue that if the leaks were true, Julian would already be dead at the hands of the CIA.
Question:
1) Why isn't Webster Tarpley dead if he knows the truth?
2) Why isn't Alex Jones dead if he knows the truth?
The answer is because no one knows the complete truth. There is speculation and there is conspiracy and there is also incompetence. It all mixes together in a huge soup of clusterfuck which we call the US government.
Instead of reading Wikileaks I think I'll go to the pub and have a beer.
Interesting timing.
http://www.osnews.com/story/24074/US_Government_Censors_70_Websites
Wikileaks sure is a good excuse to clamp down on places like zerohedge and Max Keiser.
Thought provoking indeed. And do remember the 5th of November.
Who Would Benefit From Compromising the US Military and State Department Via Wikileaks...
Let me think, let me think. Oh yeah:
CIA = Skull & Bones = Wall Street
Notice who comes out of both completely unmentioned even though the CIA and Wall Street are up to their criminal eyeballs in both...
All i want for chrismukkah, is for all the secret documents between the Banks, Treasury and the Fed to be subject to a Wikileaks dump. And because I have been extra naughty this year, i also want all the secret documents between the Fed and other Central Banks (particularily the ECB), to be dumped as well.
That would be far more fun, and far more to the point of the problems that plague the world, than all this "terrorism" hype, which is simply misdirection from what really matters (the puppet masters).
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http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/
"• British think tankee believes the really secret stuff hasn’t and probably won’t get leaked. (Millions of people already had access to these cables)."
Well let's see our government runs a bunch of what if scenarios, all options on the table concerning the entire world and it's problems. If the government didn't do this I would be more concerned. I'm sure every government in the world would have these same cables if anyone thought to hack their sights. The big problem as I see it is the inability of our government from keeping these private. It's a good thing Obama's president as the world looks up to us and respects us now. At least that's what we've been led to believe by the NY Times. Remember it's the Obama effect. Obama good. Bush bad. America good again. We have nothing to worry about now, right?
Much ado about nothing.
There may be a few non-government people in some places who will find this cache of information disturbing, but not a single government is going to find anything untoward about it, nor will anyone learn much that they did not already know.
A nation tries backhanded ways to increase its influence and promote its own agenda? My goodness! Pretty soon someone is going to tell me that my email address was NOT really chosen as the lucky recipient of $1,237,000 (one million two hundred thirty-seven thousand US dollars)!
If there is anything truly embarrassing about the leaked documents, it is how banal they all are, and that it indicates, contrary to popular belief, the US does not have a hand in, or control over, anything and everything in this world. It is kind of like catching Jessica Alba in the loo and finding out she can foul the air as much as any other human being. She was hoping you wouldn't find out.
Then, since there is nothing truly explosive and nothing about real visits by aliens from outer space or a Rothschild conspiracy behind the Julius Caesar assassination, well, then Wikileaks must be a CIA psyop. How else would the CIA not have already TWEP'd Assange?
Here's an old science trick that might be worth a try. When one does not get the expected result, perhaps the hypothesis is wrong. Maybe, just maybe, the US is not the source of any and all evil in the world, and that China really has been attempting to develop the means to not only hack into every important website and computer network in the world, but also to steal whatever technology they lack the ability to invent for themselves (most all), and also control or disrupt whatever system they can access. Maybe Putin really is a scumball and semi-loon who not only tries to plant flags on the bottom of the Arctic Ocean, but also arranges for the killing of journalists and political opponents. Maybe al Qaeda really is a terrorist organization with chapters and franchises around the world whose goal is to slaughter anyone who does not accept their fanatic view of Islam. Maybe the world really is a compilation of nations and groups and individuals mostly out for themselves, with no one truly in command of everything, and is not led and controlled and orchestrated by a small group of infinitely intelligent and hyper-evolved Bilderbergers, who can pull the strings on all of the other 7 billion humans (except for YOU, of course) who do not belong to their club.
Maybe things really are pretty much as they seem. Sure, it's not as fun if most of the world is pretty much an open book, just like it's not as fun to think we cannot really travel at WARP speed yet and that almost-teenagers really do not go to Warlock Academy, but it is what it is.
And maybe one day Wikileaks will shut down not because of some CIA/MI6/Mossad assassination of Assange, but because everyone comes to the realization that secrets that do exist are not really so sexy and that what you see is pretty much what you get.
Maybe it would behoove us all just to go about living.
+14.3 trillion
Well, at least the last sentence made some sense. Too bad about the rest.
Yes, please excuse me for not seeing a Jew or a GS-15 CIA working stiff behind every rock.
Sheeple come in many forms. Some worship at the altar of Fox or MSNBC or CNBC, some at Alex Jones or Max Keiser. In the end, though, sheeple are sheeple, and believe what makes them happy.
For all of you who "know" that Wikileaks is a CIA psyop or whatever other worldly machinations you wish to throw at the feet of the Bilderbergers or some grand USG cabal, no doubt you learned your "facts" from other secret documents to which Wikileaks is either not privy or else was not provided by the CIA (depending on your view of Wikileaks). Hopefully you have retained copies.
I am sure that if you lack Contributor status, Tyler would give it to you so that you could post your proof. You've got that proof, right? I mean, it couldn't be that your "logic" is false, could it? And I hope you are not just pulling all of your conspiratorial beliefs out of your ass.
Chindit,
One "conspiracy" I know from personal experience is the smack-down of "high mileage" cars/engines/alternatives.
Oil companies/agents have bought out/suppressed or killed (murdered) people and ideas that could have solved the Oil conundrum decades ago.
It is a fact beyond doubt for me,personally.
If that can be true and cars/oil is symbolic and emblamatic of all the dysfunction in our world, why else then could other "conspiracy" theories not be fact?
I also have direct experience of duplicitous government hands in the permitted or pre-mediated massacre of their own people.
If that is true, then why not the web that ties these together?
Interesting perspectives coming from you, living where you do and seeing it all happen in real life.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/death-of-shame-death-of-nobil...
Upon reflection, I admit I may have misinterpreted
"Maybe it would behoove us all just to go about living."
perhaps by this you meant, "Nothing to see here, folks, just move along"? Or "Don't ask, don't tell, just keep the nose in the feedbag and the blinders on"?
Certainly I have some bones to pick with your whole 'if I didn't say it it can't be true' meme, but let's first see you demonstrate a little respect for ORI, and start your refutation there please; it's as good a place as any.
Then we can move onto things like
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2916757520100629
inherent 'conflicts of interest', and other highly unlikely strings of coincidences.
FWIW, I don't know with absolute certainty a great many things, including the truth of the origins of Wikileaks leaks, but I am open to new information on the subject, are you?
I am, however, positive that this,
"...And maybe one day Wikileaks will shut down not because of some CIA/MI6/Mossad assassination of Assange, but because everyone comes to the realization that secrets that do exist are not really so sexy and that what you see is pretty much what you get."
is how you would like everyone to perceive any future undermining of Wikileaks that might occur. I mean, come on, are you seriously trying to maintain that there aren't plenty of historical examples of former 'conspiracies' that, once stripped down and exposed, were sexy enough to excite a castrato? (or at least stimulate a few judges into action, anyway).
Despite not being self-styled omniscient like yourself, I can certainly tell which way the wind is blowing, and I can smell the stench it's carrying too.
PS.
"For all of you who "know" that Wikileaks is a CIA psyop or whatever other worldly machinations you wish to throw at the feet of the Bilderbergers or some grand USG cabal, no doubt you learned your "facts" from other secret documents to which Wikileaks is either not privy or else was not provided by the CIA (depending on your view of Wikileaks). Hopefully you have retained copies."
AND
"Yes, please excuse me for not seeing a Jew or a GS-15 CIA working stiff behind every rock."
Please indicate exactly where I have stated that I 'KNOW' any of these things...or is this just your way of attempting to discredit me with the ol' chestnut of 'putting words into my mouth'? Perhaps you feel as if anyone who happens to disagree with anything your lordship deigns to utter is by default guilty of such extremism?
Go back and read your original comment. Then see who feels himself the "lordship (who) deigns to utter..." Yours was an intentionally arrogant dismissal of my post.
The burden of proof is on you, since you are the one who has decided nothing is as it seems. Post your proof.
I suspect you have minimal real world experience, little or no exposure to government, little or no exposure to cultures other than your own, but significant exposure to popular American culture and Hollywood movies. Because of that, you base your view of the world on how it is portrayed in sensationalist movies and works of fiction that are specifically created for entertainment purposes. That "subtlety" is lost on you (entertainment vs. reality) the same way it is lost on children who think intergalactic space travel is commonplace and half the preteens in the world have magical powers. If I seem dismissive, I am, just as I would be if a child tried to convince me his friend graduated from Warlock Academy. Of course with a child I would summon more patience. Your inherent arrogance---again, read your original comment---blinds you to your own lack of sophistication. There may not be a specific clinical term for what you evidence, but Downing Effect is a start, albeit with sophistication replacing intelligence.
So essentially all you have to offer is "I know you are but what am I"? Yikes.
In my opinion, the response I made to your first comment was justified considering it read like something you would find here: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/categories/C43
I've nothing more for you until you respond to ORI's query, at least.
Regards
Things were coming to a head...
Any pictures of the blonde?
Wikileaks Julian Assange cyclops-ops at its most ridiculous!
O.K., some people in the gov take a slapping, but the agenda is ramping up...
"Saudis are chief financiers for Al Qaeda" - US>FRN$>Saudi>US bogeyman is born. TrannySA is now purchasing large quantities of KY meant for use on YOU at malls, sport events, train stations, and frozen yogurt shops.
"Obama orders US diplomats to spy on UN Diplomats" - yeah, this isn't done all the time by all countries. Uhhh, the sky is blue, uhhhh....jackets can keep you warm...
"Iran obtained missiles from North Korea, capable of hitting Europe" - the wheels are greased for going long oil! (and AU)
"China conducting computer sabotage" - Here comes Internet II, enjoy ZH while it lasts.
Um, anyone else getting fuck all for internet on the east coast? I have 3 services and all 3 dns servers are dropping packets like nuts? Fucking E-2D over Washington or somethin?
I am in mid-West, and have been having similar problem like you, wide spread dropping packats. Even if the VoIP phone call not working well. I thought was Charter's problem, now looks like I was wrong, it is the U.S. gov. is screwing up
Um..break the tablets in half next time.
comcast fubar all day--modem reboots worked for a while. since ~1000 EST
Akamai provides a Flash app that shows like everything about those damn Innerwebz. Traffic's up a bit, but attacks are like way down. No, really. Midwest US latency may be fucked, though.
http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz1.html
It's all right there, 'puter documented. And it's really all true.
Ther's an AT&T router in Worthington OH that's frelled. Plus Netflix is now using more bandwidth than http:, in the evenings anyway, and Farmville has got to be churning packets, plus people downloading DVDs while they still can bfor the copyright holders shut Torrents down completely.
Wikileaks - inside job, obviously. Able Danger is much more interesting, if you have 5-10 terabyte hard drives. Don't know who the target was, or even the source - may be US mil, Mossad, or even Chinese hackers. But various governments don't want their diapers out there for the world to see. Possibly a play to pass the latest spy laws, but do the powers really care any more about what the law says?
Trillions spent on defense and technology and we have yet another stupid government failure of this magnitude ? On top of it no heads will roll as it is under the radar of most idiots as they dish out a big bowl of ice cream and watch the Palin show.
Zero Accountability will be the country's epitaph.
Fuck the Germans. Don't like us calling maniacs "Hitler?"
Funny fucks.
P.S. I wonder how many Germans are naming their sons "Adolf" lately?
Not enough.
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Keep buying those Wikileaks dumps. MSM will gladly sell you some more of them. Not that NYT etc would tell you anything bad about Federal Reserve money swindling. But man, Assange is there fighting for "The Truth"! A pity Zerohedge has fallen for this cheap CIA gimmick.
Is this being pinned on Spc Bradley Manning, too? I find it hard to believe that a low level soldier (int) sitting in Iraq could have access to State Dept computer files.
"Very soon the once-legendary US foreign service department will be butt of all jokes."
Once legendary? Har! When?
The reason the CIA has not whacked Julian;
There is an encrypted file named "Insurance" at the Wikileaks sight
The goverment types know the content of the insurance file.
The encryption key for the insurance file gets released by dozens of sources should Julian get taken out.
These two posts say it all.
Wake me up when the financial laundry dryer beeps.
You can find way more damaging US cables on Wikipedia.
They have the Northwoods docs, the proven to be falsified Golf of Tonkin cables.
You can look at the phony WMD documents. What more do you want.
The current cache is pussy compared to that. The last 100 years or so of US intervention abroad can be proven to be belligerent, through publicly available documents, yet it continues.
A good example.
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2b.pdf
After learning the intelligence provided by Curveball was going to be used as the "backbone" of the case for war, the Pentagon analyst wrote a letter to the CIA expressing his concerns. The Deputy of the CIA Counter Proliferation Unit quickly responded by saying:
"Let's keep in mind the fact that this war's going to happen regardless of what Curve Ball said or didn't say. The Powers That Be probably aren't terribly interested in whether Curve Ball knows what he's talking about."