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US Naval Update: CVN 65 Enterprise Abandons Libya, Reinforces CVN 70 Vinson In Straits Of Hormuz
Wonder why the administration made such a stink of reducing the US airborne presence around Libya, and handing it off to France, Italy, Canada and Turkey? Here's the answer: the CVN65 Enterprise which last week was within striking distance of Libya, has quietly left the Red Sea and is now virtually swimming in the wake of CVN 70 Vinson in the Strait of Hormuz. Because obviously whatever is about to happen in the Persian Gulf will need not one but two aircraft carrier formations. And meanwhile in Japan the Washington is doing all it can to put radiation free miles between itself and Fukushima, even as the Essex, chock full of marines is sitting on the coast waiting for orders.
Source: Stratfor
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Risk for little boys with big toys.
OT
Could you help a dumb ass out?
How do I find past comments made by me? Please
I know I could in the past but I'm not find ing it now.
http://www.zerohedge.com/users/clycntct/track
Thanks Ya I had that but I remember it used to have comments and I can't find it.
I got cookies on and I went over to firefox and tried the same but still no looke.
View Edit Orders Subscriptions Track Twitter
I used to use it to be able to find where I had been to pick back up after I made a comment, but now it scroll scroll hunt hunt.
I used to use it to be able to find where I had been
The answer lies in your question, use the "Find" feature of your browser.
Got it
Myaccount/Track/clk thread and there it is.
That was painful Thanks.
duuuude:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHODyEpm2w
- Ned
very nice for all new users of ZH...appreciated. Not that I like looking back over my shoulder...
Could you help a...
"my account" - "track"
Go to 'My Account'. There is a tab there labeled 'Track'.
If you made it through Captcha, you can probably figure it out from there.
It shows up for the threads I've crused and the sum total of comments but not specifically the ones I've posted? I'm pretty sure back a while it would show me My comments? Then it would get me to wherever I left off.
I tried the other day to no sucess so I just thought I'd try again. Scratcing head.
There is also a spell check for your comments. Try the little check mark with "ABC" above it. Makes for a more credible and tidy comment.
I'm pissed. It's not about you. Rip my attic.
No worries mate, we are tracking everything you write.
http://tinyurl.com/469epq8
THAT was pretty cool!
I noticed that too. Hell its all on carnivore anyway.
HELLLLLLOOOOO SPOOKS !
OH CRAP!!!!
I just want to go on record as saying that I do not actually own any guns, gold, silver or ammunition. I voted in favor or every president ever elected, be they Republican or Democrat. Hillary is my mentor. I fully support the efforts of the federal government, and the Federal Reserve. I support the recommendation of Ben Bernanke for a Nobel Peace Prize....in fact, I think is should be named The Ben Bernanke Nobel Peace Prize for Economic Studies. Of course, Barrack Obama would have the Barrack Obama Nobel Peace Prize for Global Peace Pursuits. I only read Zero Hedge to keep up with the actions of the subservients so that I can report them to Janet Napolitano. Ron Paul, who? I have faith that the federal government will get it right, and of course, the government cannot be blamed for all of our problems. I am happy to allow the bank to own my home even after the mortgage is paid, no note is necessary. I fully understand that we are in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, and Syria to promote Democracy and support the people. I'm sure that there were weapons of mass destruction. There is no nuclear risk in Japan. The shrimp in the Gulf are fine...and tasty.
If you be JANE then I be TARZAN! Come and get it!
I think commentators on Fox News ask more questions :-)
That's dirty, and spooky. Thanks for the heads up.
At least all of me friends here at ZH will be there at the FEMA camp
with me.
Yes. Good. A prudent strategy no doubt. Keep that channel open at all costs.
I find myself wondering about the exact whereabouts of CVN 76 vs. the epicenter of the Japan quake, on that date. Just sayin'.
Hello! Do you think Obama can win the "Al-Gaddafi International Prize for Human Rights" this year?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gaddafi_International_Prize_for_Human_Ri...
You can't make things like this up. It's too funny.
Well he is no worse than those Norwegian boys. They gave a Nobel PP to : BO, HK+TVD, AS...to only mention the most evident that come to mind...as peaceful mentors of mankind...but then Nobel himself...was a Q-daffy type dictator fan in his day and age.
CD:
I know you've heard this before, however I just wanted to add my $0.02. You and a few others (read: about 5) are ones that I actively search out in threads. Mind you, I don't agree 100% with what you say most of the time -- it's enough coincidence on your comments that it's noticeable.
I thank you (and others) for their contribution (including TD) to ZH and one of my favorite commentary blogs.
In side-step, I agree with your graphic. Risk as a game indeed.
If one could only be a fly on the wall on all conversations relating to geopolitical thought and theory.
Thank you for your kind words. I would be disappointed if you agreed with me all the time though my ego would certainly love it. :>)
I have two goals here on ZH. To provoke and promote thought and discussion. Thus the deliberate naming of my ID to be a source of irritation....even for me. And most importantly from an all too selfish point of view, I wish to learn from the discussions whether prompted by me or anyone else.
And I can easily say that on a daily basis I learn more here than I do anywhere else, be it my personal library or the Internet at large. There's just no substitute for a diverse group of smart people rubbing minds and generating heat. Thank you for contributing to the social nuclear reaction that is Zero Hedge.
Very true. Thank you for your time and thoughs CD, always a pleasure.
+1
You make that sound so dirty. Not that it's a bad thing.
I'm all good with CD, so long as we don't have to rub uglies... ;-p
The hottest fire makes the stongest steel.
Here's to the forged steel-trap minds on Zero Hedge!
Lately the fires have gotten so hot that the cladding is starting to disintegrate and fall off.
I'm a fan of George Washington as well.
There are only two important groups here. Pro PM and anti-PM. One of them is right and the other is wrong.
"There are only 2 people in the world who understand gold: one, a retired Swiss banker, the other a bullion vault clerk in London. Unfortunately, they disagree".
I suppose everyone forgot about "loose lips sink ships"
It's going to be hilarious to watch ZH explode with fury when the SHFan and the US govt clamps down on info like this.
Oh the humanity, we can't hear about secret military movements anymore! We have no good threads to post our Nazi comments on anymore! Well, guess it's back to Democratic Underground then...:(
Close.
This is good for GDP.
Ah, Porky... and what could be bad for GDP, with a genius like The Bernank steering us safely to harbor?
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean, say no more.
Where is McHale's Navy?
Ernest Borgnine. Good Job. taxguy. Good stuff!
My guess: Israel is about to kill some brown people.
I don't think the Israelis care what color they are.
Fuck yea ....
As long as their assholes who do 9 year olds I think your right, good on em..
I remember the USS Liberty.
Not "jew-colored"?
That sounds bad, but the government of Israel IS officially racist.
The only racists in here are you guys. Though its refreshing for once to see those who don't try to hide it. Nothing like some good Jew hatred to get the volume going in the forum.
The entire "Finance" (finess) industry is a hokus pokus fraud of Fuksushimi sized magnitude. Arabs say that "Jews can pull money out of thin air" for a good reason. Its cause Arab Banks Do Not Charge Interest Raping Rates since its Illegal Under Sharia Law. But Arab Banks not all use Sharia Banking. Must ask first. Also Jak Bank in Sweden only charge commission on loans at low rate and Bank CEO not a Billionaire.
And stop bashing Jews just cause they are smarter than everyone else and figured out its easier to make money by tricking the shit out of lots of stupid sheep and setting up a Federal Reserve Mafia and fucking 12 year old girls in ass.
Remember just the facts Mam, no Nazis!!!!
Israeli Buthole Surfs up Dudes!!
http://www.tdbimg.com/files/2011/03/24/img-bs-bottom---secret-epstein_20...
Hah - If you used a recent Intel CPU to post this, it was developed in Haifa, Israel! Too much Chinese-made flouride in 'merican drinking water.
Islamic banking is just another marketing fraud: They charge you a FEE upfront which just happens to be the same as the regular interest paid for the duration of the loan had you taken a normal "western style" loan. Merely not using the word "interest" makes it all. "halal"
I thought 'halal' banking was profit sharing only if there was risk sharing...
I respectfully disagree with that statement. All one has to have is a criminal mind and no guilt to backstab. It has nothing to do with smarts. No different than italian, russian, chinese, etc. mafia. Banking is a racket run by hofjuden for their masters; not for other jews, or jews in general. Your jewish neighbour or fellow worker is getting it up the ass just like the rest of us.
You have to wonder about those Saudis though.
Nope,
Iranians, about to come to the aid of their Shia brethren in Bahrain. That will shut-down the Gulf, and REALLY F*&*&^K with oil and the world economy!
they would have come to help their brothers in Libya but for some reason Nato already decided to help them
Shock And Awe.
The "other", "New" Help.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/axis-of-evil-doing/
Only the brown ones being pimped by Allah.
If this does not mean death at your doorstep, then I don't know what does.
My bulldogge concurs w/ your waterdog.
Death at my doorstep, and S & P shoots to the
moon on monday morning. Gotta love it, huh?
Death at your doorstep? I'm sorry, but it's more than just that. People are just so trained still to believe what TPTB say (and don't say) that they aren't seeing what's going on. Gerald Celente described it well today over at King World News:
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/3/26_Geral...
This is war which is going on; at least the opening shots. A resource war, IMO. And is what usually happens in a Depression.
Check out Michael Klare's Resource Wars for a playbook on what's going on right now. WWIII will probably be the last global war - and it will be a doosy...
WWIII IS the last global war and it IS a doozy.
It's ongoing mate. Whey bother with global bombs and such when you have good old "depleted" uranium and soem good, helpful winds doing the job fer yer?
ORI
"whatever is about to happen in the Persian Gulf" will need Saudi approval for airspace. That, or Iran's approval... The Gulf ain't big enough for flight patterns solely over water.
Yeah. That's what I'm looking at. Right there between SA and Iran like that....wtf?
Maybe I'm slow, but I don't get it... why?
Iran has been very upset about events in Bahrain...
hm.... dunno
Shiite majority in Bahrain is revolting(supported by Iran) against the Sunni ruling party. If they are successful, the revolts could spill over into Saudi Arabia and threaten the Sunni ruling party there. Ultimately it could be not only a threat to the Saudi oil reserves, but also a threat to the utilization of the US dollar for the purchase oil. US dollar is the reserve currency of the world because the majority of the oil producers demand payment in dollars.
Why are you telling US this? We already know this. You act like what you're saying here is some sweet nugget of info that only you are privy to.
You sound like a puppy trying to bark.
the u.s. doesn't need approval from anyone. they do as they want. we print approval forms.
Good point!
$20/gal gasoline doesn't seem too bad as long as we are the "big dog".
You are messing around with well read traders.
Many people are wondering if this NA/ME unrest might escalate and eventually become WW3, but is it possible that WW3 started about a six weeks ago?
Yeah, I have a funny feeling that WWIII has begun, but it will be a good 3 months or so before it is actually declared.
I wonder what definitive event of the past 6 weeks, akin to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, will be pointed to in history books as the spark that started it all?
Suggestions?
The dude in Tunisia set himself on fire...
Mohamed Bouazizi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi
I hope wiki starts by reading, 'Bouazizi had the biggest balls of all time. Of all time!'
Seriously!
Who says that "one man can't make a difference"?
In old English font, this is a tat on Barack's ass cheek.
Tramp Stamp :-)
Self-immolation has a downside -- huge carbon-footprint. </sarc>
Natachia (sp)ill wag your tail,and sliide it into #3. Get Bright!!!
If Fantasia is right then you most surely have hit it. Brilliant.
Of course, then there is the 'real' reason.
Oil. Nukes in Iran.Hm. I wonder.
Hope that's wrong though.
It's something that happened December 17, 2010, so that's a little outside of your time window, but if I had to pick one event as being the beginning of all of this, the "Archduke Ferdinand" moment, if you will, I'd say a good candidate is the self-immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi of Tunisia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi
Some possibilities:
Iran, North Korea, and China working together on nuclear weapons and anti-ship missiles. The Saudis are distrustful of the Iranians. We protect the Saudi royal family. Google Carter Doctrine.
Iranian anti-ship missiles deployed along the Strait of Hormuz.
Leverage middle eastern unrest by destabilizing the Iranian regime.
Why do we protect the Saudis? Oil. Why do we need such a gigantic military? Oil. Oil for blood, blood for oil. I wonder how much longer we can afford this addiction.
Just a guess. I don't know anything, I swear. Please, no black helicopters!
Don't forget our huge military also backs the dollar.
yes - it hasn't changed since we made the deal with the Saudis. Neither one of us can back out or the shit really hits the fan
Since the 1978 strategy assessment from the U.S. Joint Chiefs, the two American priorities in the Middle East have been specifically illuminated: “Continuous access to petroleum resources and the survival of Israel. Thus, the gathering of carrier groups.
And with U.S. puppet regimes threatening to fall like dominoes, Israel is likely the Administration’s main worry.
Already, the Administration rhetoric supporting Israel is getting tougher.
On the Israel-Hamas exchanges, the Administration ( Obama, Hilliary and Gates, etc.) speaks with one voice. And that voice belongs to Dennis B. Ross, special assistant to the President and Senior Director for the region that includes the Middle East.
Ross is now coming under widening criticism for his Israel policy influence in light of connections with war hawks like neocon Wolfowitz while in the Pentagon and AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobby) and other U.S. Jewish groups.
It’s widely understood that Ross is AIPAC’s personal representative in the Obama Administration, co-founding the AIPAC group, the “Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). His first WINEP paper (Wikipedia) called for a “non-Arabist special Middle East envoy” who would “not feel guilty about our relationship with Israel.” And, subsequently, President Bill Clinton named Ross Middle East envoy.
Ross’s Jewish heritage (Jewish mother and Jewish religious group organizer…co-founder of Kol Shalom synagogue in Rockville, MD, and his existing ties to AIPAC) is creating the bias in America’s support of Israel.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Democracy Now! reports, criticized Palestinian militants for "terrorism and targeting of civilians." But when it came to Palestinian civilian deaths by the U.S.-armed Israeli military, Clinton said only that the U.S. extends "sincere condolences."
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: "The United States is committed to Israel’s security, and we strongly condemn this violence and extend our deepest sympathies to all those affected. We also strongly condemn recent rocket attacks from Gaza against innocent Israeli civilians and hold fully responsible the militants perpetrating these attacks. And I join President Obama in extending our sincere condolences to the friends and families of the Palestinian civilians killed in Gaza yesterday and appreciate that Israel has expressed regret."
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/24/headlines/admin_takes_differing_stance_on_killings_of_israeli_palestinian_civilians
Israel News on March 24, wrote upon his arrival in Israel that US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates “praised the Jewish people's resilience and stressed Israel has a right to ‘bring justice to the perpetrators of these repugnant attacks.
“The defense secretary stated the US's commitment to Israel was unshakable and noted the government aims to guarantee Israel's military capabilities.”
JR, I understand why we spend money and blood for oil. The Western way of life ceases to exist without oil. I'm not sure why we are so committed to Israel. I admire the Israelis greatly for their cleverness and toughness. But that doesn't explain the US-Israel relationship. I've heard all the conspiracy theories. My guess is they have intelligence and surveillance capabilities that are vital to our decision makers.
Another thing I don't understand is why the US is so heavily committed to the Middle East and Central Asia, when most of our oil comes from Mexico and Canada. I suppose we are protecting the energy sources for our European allies. Also, if we provided "stability" in those areas, the global price of energy would be minimized. But our presence over there is anything but stabilizing. Can it be that our policies don't actually make sense from a strictly US perspective? I have no answer.
No it's not to support the "western way of life".
It's to burn out as much oil as possible creating as many transactions as possible on the way to support the "banking cartel way of life".
$ Oil-> $ Middle East military machine -> $ oil
WITH EVERYTHING BOUGHT ON CREDIT OF COURSE
so pay your SERVICE to the bankers. Your sons and daughters dying along the way and a stomach load of semen and shit is all you have to swaller, every fucking day SLAVE.
As long as the ME nations keep selling oil in dollars..the dollar remians the world reserve currency and the bankers profit.
Don't know why you get junked for the truth.
Maybe Japan will be smart enough to realize that the oil market completely misprices long term risk and sign up exclusivity agreements with Canada to secure long term safe supplies. It would be about par for the course as America runs around the world picking and choosing where to flex its muscles and takes for granted the contributions of their closest allies.
I'm not sure why we are so committed to Israel.
It is where the brains are. Intel, Motorola, Big Pharma. Etc. Now if the Arabs had any brains....
Mexico on the cusp of being a net oil importer, due in large part to the collapse in production at Cantarell...
what's the collapse due to? running dry, mismanagement?
Both. The Mexican gov't cash-cows the oil industry, and doesn't maintain infrastructure or search for new fields. The Cantarell field is running dry. The oil industry provides 40% of Mexico's federal budget. Prepare for more "undocumented" tourists.
Your answer is hidden in plain sight, it's just too ugly to digest. I was in your 'shoes' not too long ago and understand your situation.
You will most likely become upset when the reality becomes more clear.
Having worked in a certain community for years as a mid-east analyst and arabic linguist, my impression is the following:
1. Our support of Israel is critical to our 'raison d'etre' in the middle east. It gives us a reason to intervene in the region and put boot on top of some of the largest oil reserves in the world.
2. The Israeli's have nuclear weapons and the capabilty of placing them on target anywhere in the region. Those weapons are not primarily focused on Arab population centers. Those weapons are aimed at the oil fields and refineries in a theory of "if we go, we take the oil with us."
Therefore, it is in our interest to protect the Israeli's.
There are myriad other reasons these das but those two sum up much of my experience.
does the change in regimes in Mideast change Israels influence on us?
Only in terms of making it stronger. The change in regimes thus far has not resulted in stable democracies spinging forth from the radical soils of Egypt, et al.
I believe that the region is now on a course of general destabilization that will need to be corrected in the relatively near future through a large-scale armed conflict. Cetainly regional and likely pulling in global players.
but who gave Israelis nukes? Could it have something to do with the USG being infiltrated by zionists? That's what I want to know.
Unclear what the "gave" part of the comment is. Genie out of the bottle.
We know about Klaus Fuchs-->USSR, (basics, gained like 5 years, see Rhodes) check!
Wen Ho Lee-->PRC, (W88) check!
"Wikileaks-Obama Gave Up British Nuclear Secrets to Russia"
http://amerpundit.com/2011/02/04/wikileaks-obama-gave-british-nuclear-se...
check!
detecting a pattern here?
- Ned
Didn't I hear a rumor recently, the O administration is considering giving up our anti-missle tech to Putin?
Can it be that our policies don't actually make sense from a strictly US perspective? - gmj
Ultimately for humanity, and inasmuch as the "US perspective" favors a global elite over humanity, the policies do not make sense, but within the convoluted doctrine of empire, the policies are usually explainable.
Briefly, consider:
1. Stability is not necessarily the goal - see SHOCK DOCTRINE by Naomi Klein
2. Mexico’s oil is nearly depleted
3. As others have pointed out, control of petroleum underpins the petrodollar, and thereby global financial domination.
4. The global military has a vested self-interest in securing oil, being itself the world’s biggest consumer of petroleum products.
5. The US empire tends to defend all its dependent outposts, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Taiwan, So. Korea, regardless of any immediately obvious strategic value.
6. Israeli militarists have strong political and financial supporters within the US, and throughout the world.
7. Israel has deep connections to US covert operations and the CIA, and allows plausible deniability for a number of operations from Colombia and Kosovo to the nation of Georgia.
Israel is our hammer in the Middle East
gmj:
A Princeton University study (Roger Stern) calculated the cost of keeping aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf from 1976 to 2007 at $7.3 Trillion.
It is long past time to identify the real reason for this unbelievable tax-funded enterprise. More than military defense of the U.S. mainland, more than support for European allies, and yes, even more than the protection of petroleum availability, I submit that the real reason is the protection of that tiny outpost, the socialist nation of Israel.
It is socialist because its total existence and maintenance depend on the U.S. taxpayer. The worrisome aspect of this unbelievable expenditure on behalf of Israel is the incestuous concentration of the Likudist friends of Israel in the United States government, in its prostitution mainstream media, and most of all, in its use of the NY Federal Reserve bank to finance the wars of Empire, the wars for Oil, and the wars to protect Israel.
Is there any doubt that the aggressiveness of Netanyahu and the total compliance of the U.S. government to his every wish point to who controls U.S. ME policy? It is not the Congress or the President of the United States; it is they who control and issue America’s currency.
How the 20-somethings view Libya:
I would love to see footage of a burning carrier!
How about when the Wikifaggot with the beret was thrown in prison???
By the way, anyone who can help me make the term Wikifaggot go viral, is like, really cool.
Anyone who helps you make the term Wikifaggot go viral, is like, a ****
Thanks BigJim,
First on board. The trend has begun.
Dude, you're not that creative.
I personally prefer Wikidribble.
That is is Wiki with prostate issues. It really wants to, but cannot.
ORI
so you are calling a soldier gay because, like even kick ass special ops guy, one version of uniform is a beret? and you use a real derogatory term for gay in the process...yeah, you are clever....think about it, you think being an ass is cool, would you want the world be filled with cool asses like you? it may not be "cool" and may not make your boy parts get big, but I would rather the world be filled with decent dorky people than cool asses like you...grow up..wwhat are you 9 years old playing a video game or an adult that cares about your world and fellow human beings?
Imho it was the stabbing slaughter of that Jewish family, infants included. And the partying in Palestine which commenced thereafter. Watch for that to have been the spark that ignited the conflagration.
There's no way to defend the acts of the murderers in this event. I'm watching Israel.
I'm watching Israel.
If you're really watching Israel then you know that they kill innocent Palestinians every single day.
Oh so innocent. Go Ahead, you have more mouth than sense.
Go get 'em, babykiller.
http://www.rafahtoday.org/details/deaths.htm
Let's equate order of magnitude to order of magnitude. Please cite an instance where an Israeli stabbed to death half of a large family, including both parents of small children, because they were Palestinian. It is two entirely different things to not support Israel for various reasons, and to give Israeli opponents support to murder anyone they wish. Your writings lead me to believe you're doing the latter.
It is two entirely different things to not support Israel for various reasons, and to give Israeli opponents support to murder anyone they wish.
But I never said that I support "murder." You made it up (perhaps so that you can feel better about your own proclivity for reveling in the deaths of children).
One, you are certainly illiterate, and probably nuts, if you understood my statement to be reveling in the deaths of children of any kind. Two, I'm not sure what you would call stabbing the better part of a family to death other than "murder." The event did not seem to sit poorly with you, ergo, a logical conclusion on my part. If you wish to argue against that conclusion, you should try to find a way that involves not putting hateful, inaccurate words in my mouth; focus instead on those that came out of your own.
Enjoy your final days in the bunker. The world isn't falling for your lies anymore.
Israel has refused a two state solution as offered by both Fatah and Hamas. Because Israel refuses to acknowledge Palestine's right to exist they have trapped themselves in a demographic situation in which they will be outnumbered in short order. Israel will not last long enough to celebrate the centennial of their war of conquest against the Palestinians. The Israelis would rather bet on an apartheid state and lose than live in peace with their neighbors.
Let's be clear: you dislike Israel, strenously. You also offered *no rebuttal whatsoever* to my assertion that you earlier stated that stabbing most of a family to death was a dandy solution to problems in the Levant. Is it correct, or is it not correct, to state that you see nothing wrong with stabbing parents and children to death because you think murdering them is a reasonable way to get them to move? Yes or no?
Let's be clear: you dislike Israel, strenously.
So I need you to tell me what I believe?
You also offered *no rebuttal whatsoever* to my assertion that you earlier stated that stabbing most of a family to death was a dandy solution to problems in the Levant.
Please provide a citation where I expressed such a view. In lieu of such a citation please explain why I should rebut an unsubstantiated accusation.
Is it correct, or is it not correct, to state that you see nothing wrong with stabbing parents and children to death because you think murdering them is a reasonable way to get them to move? Yes or no?
Of course it's incorrect. Killing is bad. Didn't you get the memo? Looking at the causality count among Palestinian civilians, I guess you didn't.
Now tell me, does Palestine have a right to exist?
Now tell me, does Palestine have a right to exist?
No nation has a right to exist. It is theirs if they can keep it. One way to keep it is to come to terms with their neighbors. Another way is to make their neighbors come to tems with them.
Of course given the Judenrein nature of the Gaza administration the Jews are not likely to come to terms. So I think if the Palis want to stop getting beat up they should come to terms.
Are you claiming that Israel gets along with its neighbors by killing them so it has a right to exist but the Palestinians refuse to roll over and die so they don't have a right to exist?
Listening to comments like yours always makes me proud to be a supporter of the Free Gaza movement. Here's a shout out to all the decent folks out there to drop some cash on our Palestinian friends:
http://freegaza.org
Read your own comment history. All you've said is that if I don't think you've got a halo around your head, it's because I must revel in the deaths of children. You're ridiculous. You started this, and now you can't/won't finish it and resort to ad hominems, because somebody isn't letting your hateful remarks slide. It's noted.
Read your own comment history.
Read it? I wrote it! And I never said what you said I said. Your inability to quote me saying anything hateful is proof of this.
It is not "hateful" to recognize the slaughter of Palestinian men, women and children by the state of Israel. It is the murderer who commits the crime, not the witnesses. We will not be cowed.
Palestine does have a right to exist, does it not?
Wow. You're right! There's a huge difference in how the murder and massacre are done. We should only condone the good murders, like the clinical ones accomplished with high tech jets and bombs, and definitely not the ones with obsolete implements like knives and clubs.
This is a simple, specific question. CA shouted "babykiller" when a previous respondent questioned his apparent enthusiasm for the murder of a family. Are you saying it's OK for CA to snark away under the cover of caring for Palestinians, and that it's not OK for him to be asked to either own up to what he implied about stabbing a family to death, or otherwise reasonably refute that interpretation?
CA shouted "babykiller" when a previous respondent questioned his apparent enthusiasm for the murder of a family.
Please provide the quote in which I show "enthusiasm for the murder of a family."
You think that in response to OP talking about the family who was stabbed, saying Israelis kill innocent Palestinians every day, followed immediately by "go get 'em, babykiller" comes across as *not* a defense for the stabbers, and hatred for the stabbees? Are you really so busy trying to be snarky and cool that you have no idea how the words you put together sound? Hard to believe possible, but sounds like what you're saying now.
You still haven't provided a quote in which I praise the stabbing of people. Just admit your lie and get over it already. Then you can get back to killing Palestinian kids with a clear conscience.
I have provided your own words to you over and over again. You refuse to read them as they sound to a good chunk of the rest of the world. Instead, you accuse me of "killing Palestinian kids" because I dare to call you out on what is obviously giving somebody who stabbed infants to death a pass. It is people like you with your inability to see any other side of an issue, to the point where you accuse random strangers of wishing death on children, that really make me fear for the world.
I have provided your own words to you over and over again.
No you you haven't. You've purposely misinterpreted my words over and over to justify your own blood lust. Not once have you said that Palestine has a right to exist and not once have you apologized for the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians who have been murdered with your approval.
You can't hide your crimes anymore. We see you.
So now people who dare to disagree with you have "blood lust?" You are sick and full of hate. We see that, too. I didn't reply to your questioning about Palestine's right to exist because to do so would be to legitimize your line of reasoning, which appears to be "it's not right to cut babies' throats I guess, but I sure do understand it." And what exactly do I have to apologize for? Who on earth do you think I am/what I've done? You're a lunatic.
Edit: as I have stated before, I support a two-state solution. Thing is, what I think about Palestine and Israel co-existing has nothing whatsoever to do with whether killing babies of any color, race, creed, or affiliation is a justifiable means to an end. I think it is not. You obviously think it is, or, at a minimum, think it's understandable. That is the problem, and the worry. Having got that out of the way as a means to the cheap, uninformed shot you were taking, can we now go back to the content and phrasing of YOUR posts that started all this?
The pallies are always dancing with happines whenever someone dies. Nice people.
Your stupidity is its own punishment. Enjoy!
there is death, suffering, rage, and atrocities on both sides....if you just look a pure stats, Palenstinians, inlcuding many many very young children, have died in these conflicts at much greater rates than Israelis. And Israelis have never celebrated deaths of Palenstinians?
In US African Americans have done atrcoius things to white people, say like that truck driver that got beat after Rodney King verdict, does that mean white people should hate all black people in US and want to go into certain neighborhoods and just start shooting everyone rather than arresting and convicting those that beat truck driver. Does that mean every black person is always hating white people 24/7 and is constantly joyously watching videos of white people get beat? Don't almost all black people in US interact peacefully with white people almost all the time? And I'm not even getting into the many things done to black people everyday by white people.
So in Israel/plaesitnitinas territory, does it remotely seem like a solution for both sides to exclusively focus/stew about the extremists of the other side that glory in violence in a never-ending cylce of retributional violence? Sure Israel can bomb Gaza back to middle ages, then some Gazans who have lost everythign will lose it on Israelis...Israel has already done it bombed Gaza recently and did it to Lebanon also...what has that gotten Israel? Go ahead Israel bomb again, see where it goes. Unless you are advocating for genodice of entire population of Gaza, there is no choice but to find a way to co-exist, Israel can continue with the policies of last 30 years, if they like getting bombed, or they can chose a different path, but Israel bombing Gaza is not a new solution and will not yield a new result.
As Abe Lincoln said prior to civil war, " Physically speaking, we can not separate. We can not remove our respective sections from each other nor build an impassable wall between them. A husband and wife may be divorced and go out of the presence and beyond the reach of each other, but the different parts of our country can not do this. They can not but remain face to face, and intercourse, either amicable or hostile, must continue between them." ...."Suppose you go to war, you can not fight always; and when, after much loss on both sides and no gain on either, you cease fighting, the identical old questions, as to terms of intercourse, are again upon you."
the biblical final war lasts 27 years
possible that it started with first gulf war in 1990....setting the stage for today in ways
much as the stage was set long before the assassination of archduke ferdinand for ww1
i believe it was churchill who said ww1 never ended...there was just a pause between ww1 and ww2
ww1+ww2 were part in part of the same war
Are those Biblical years or Siderial Years? Or Lunar Years? This could get tricky.
It is also possible it started in 2015 by events we are as yet unaware of.
Saturday, March 26, 2011
Gerald Celente : The First Great war of the 21st century has begun
http://bit.ly/fNM5uN
This is a good interview.
Diana Johnstone; War on Libya- Perpretrators and Manipulators:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110327-djohnstone.mp3
Thanks Zer0head.
I like Celente, and I missed this one.
Right now...I'm taking-in his observation. Asking myself how this feels. Right? Almost right?
...pardon me, I have to go vomit.
<no sarc>
The natural state of man is war...
Actually not. But some philosopher in every age has always convinced the masses that it is.
ORI
Waul, they need a wee war to fully trial their new rifle, which has a projectile that explodes just past where you are hiding.....you can run but you can't hide anymore...will revolutionise boots on the ground warfare..glad I'm too old to serve!
Yeah - That weapon will take the rate of casualties caused by IED's to about 100%.
Calmly prepare for impact.