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US Prepares Operation "Boots On The Ground" A/K/A "The Presidente Was Only Keeeding"

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The natural step in the US-led invasion of Libya's oil fields, which could be seen from a mile away and as was discussed on Zero Hedge previously, is about to unfold with the proverbial silver-tipped bang. Courtesy of Army Gen. Carter Ham we learn that the Nobel war prize winner "may consider sending troops into Libya with a possible international
ground force that could aid the rebels, the former U.S. commander of the
military mission said Thursday, describing the ongoing operation as a
stalemate that is more likely to go on now that America has handed
control to NATO." Nothing like a little land war in Asia, er, Africa, to distract the peasantry from an insolvent government which can't legally issue any more debt on top. Make no mistake though - this is all about "humanitarian intervention."


Army Gen. Carter Ham also told lawmakers that American participation in a ground force would not be ideal, since it could erode the international coalition attacking Moammar Gadhafi's forces and make it more difficult to get Arab support for operations in Libya.

He said NATO has done an effective job in an increasingly complex combat situation. But he noted that, in a new tactic, Gadhafi's forces are making airstrikes more difficult by staging their fighters and vehicles near civilian areas such as schools and mosques.

The use of an international ground force is a possible plan to bolster the Libyan rebels, Ham said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

Asked whether the U.S. would provide troops, Ham said, "I suspect there might be some consideration of that. My personal view at this point would be that that's probably not the ideal circumstance, again for the regional reaction that having American boots on the ground would entail."

Anyone recall Obama's promise to not send a land force in Libya? Add that one to the lies you can believe in.

President Barack Obama has said repeatedly there will be no U.S. troops on the ground in Libya, although there are reports of small CIA teams in the country.

Pressed by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., about the situation in Libya, Ham agreed that a stalemate "is now more likely" since NATO took command.

Next, while the constitutional lawyer is usurping the constitution, let's just toss the whole checks and balances thing away as well.

Ham also disclosed that the U.S. is providing some strike aircraft to the NATO operation that do not need to go through the special approval process recently established. The powerful side-firing AC-130 gunship is available to NATO commanders, he said.

Surely this latest uber-transparent move to sequester 2 MMBD/oil will raise America's glorious standing within the Muslim crescent.


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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:30 | 1147317 gangland
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peace prize bitchezzzz!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:55 | 1147432 oogs66
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Black is the new Bush

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:01 | 1147440 NOTW777
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Bush derangement is a mental disease - focus

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:43 | 1147769 CU1981
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Thank You Tyler for calling a Spade a Spade, GOD and Goodness will reward you, when your time is due.


Keep up the good fight ! !

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:11 | 1148056 long juan silver
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Spade? Racist, eh?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:05 | 1147472 Escapeclaws
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Don't knock Blackbush--one of the best Irish Whiskeys.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:49 | 1147624 Spastica Rex
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+1 >>HIC<<

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:57 | 1147434 oogs66
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Black is the new Bush

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:41 | 1148063 long juan silver
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You jess called out two best parts o my woman Willis!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:30 | 1147554 Twindrives
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Obama.......Bush in blackface.  

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:38 | 1147588 LibertyIn2010
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Good thing we no longer have the Soviet Union around.  I don't think the rest of the world could put up with two evil empires spreading their sphere of influence around the world by way of various military campaigns. 

And, you better believe that US citizens would never put up with their own government spying on them, taking away their rights, shoveling propaganda at them 24/7 by state-controlled mass media, holding elections in which its citizens influence in the outcome is close to null and void, imposing the will of the government on the people and allowing the banksters to steal the wealth from middle class and working class families.

What a relief we don't have to worry about any of that happening, huh? 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:40 | 1147599 EscapeKey
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Kama River truck factory, bitches.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:53 | 1147644 Spastica Rex
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:59 | 1147658 EscapeKey
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Cynic is what an optimist calls a realist.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:36 | 1147967 Spastica Rex
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:35 | 1147962 Creed
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sounds logical to me


fight Al Qaida in Afghanistan while helping them take power in Libya

sure, splits their forces, confuses them

weaponized pschizophrenia

down with Bin Laden! up with the Muslim Brotherhood!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:15 | 1147318 Haywood Jablowme
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:07 | 1148048 long juan silver
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Qualifications for the Office of President




Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution (1787), shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.


 The constitution wasn't loopholed for a jerkoff with a stolen social security number either:

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:40 | 1148127 Cammy Le Flage
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Considering the rest of the CONstitution is not followed why is this one so important to you twots?    This is not the most important protection - but those are already ruined.  Anyone discussing this is a fucking moronic idiot.   Name me the "law" in this country cause it been gone long time fool.  Catch the fuck up to reality Cowboy.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:44 | 1148131 long juan silver
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You're pissed because you voted for the incompentent bush hog but you can't admit error.

Fools amuse me.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:34 | 1147322 Judy Garland
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I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:34 | 1147559 EscapeKey
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Zero Hedge is without a question the best financial site on the web.

I wrote a bit about the UK's situation, in terms of oil.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:43 | 1147770 Seer
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Looks like the abiotics nutjobs junked you...

Good summary.  People just don't understand deltas, the full range of difference -from an exporter to an importer.

The decline in North Sea oil production is something to behold.  All the jokers who say that "modern" (read "western control") extraction methods would result in wells pumping longer.  The North Sea used the most up-to-date processes and equipment at the time and look what happened!  Jevons Paradox...

If things look bad for the UK, the Japanese are really screwed.  Then to be followed by Australia and China.  The US is number 3 in reserves, so it should be able to clamp down and make it last if need be (might not be a palitable option, but at least there's an option, unlike with Japan).

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:42 | 1147984 Spastica Rex
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Jevon's Paradox is a bitch, huh? I don't think the USA will ever experience it directly, though. Much easier to just burn through whatever you have as quickly as possible and not think about the consequences. A 3/4 ton pickup a day keeps the plebs away.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:33 | 1147325 kengland
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Why not? There's nothing anyone can do to stop it. He loses the election and then...the next stooge takes his place. It's been that way since the begining.


Oh how we need another Gettysburg address. Nothing but truth and honesty from them all.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:37 | 1147343 cossack55
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Actually we need another Concorde or Ft. Sumter.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:40 | 1147348 kengland
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Amen to that brother

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:47 | 1147623 Moe Howard
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Don't forget Lexington! Bunker Hill! Whites of their eyes, Bitchezzzzzz

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:37 | 1147335 bankruptcylawyer
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I said that America's role would be limited; that we would not put ground troops into Libya; that we would focus our unique capabilities on the front end of the operation; and that we would transfer responsibility to our allies and partners. Tonight, we are fulfilling that pledge.

at 9:10

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:01 | 1147452 Shameful
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Why?  Nothing Americans like more then killing brown people with high tech weapons.  What amazes me is they don't have "The Murder Channel" 24/7 video of real life slayings done by our boys.  The ratings would be huge!  Can you imagine the ratings bombing a wedding in Pakistan would get?  Guys would be Tivoing it to masturbate to it again and again.  Missing a opportunity to make some money and distract the masses, what kind of monkeys do they got running this show?  Knew I should have gotten into show biz.

I know your thinking "Ok Shameful, but that's only the neo-cons", not so fast.  Where has the anti war democrats gone?  They will join in on this one.  Why a blue is the ultimate war president, the red will fall over themselves in teh extastic joy of murder and the blue will not their approval to their man.

If anything this helps him get reelected by showing he can be "tough on terror and strong on humanitarian relief".

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:14 | 1147503 disabledvet
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you're welcome.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:25 | 1147541 Goofy Bastard
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Good rant, I liked it the first time I heard it from George Carlin in 1992 and 1996.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:47 | 1147787 Seer
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I'd love to hear from those who junked this as to why they did.  I suspect that the truth is just a wee bit too hard to take for ya?  Just fucking wait, you ain't seen nothing yet.  You'll be running for your mammas pretty soon, cowards that you all are...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:07 | 1148233 Ms. Erable
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If all we wanted to do was "kill brown people", we wouldn't have to go 10k miles out of our way to do it. Hell, I can open up on at least fifty of them without leaving my property.

If you're going to generalize, make sure you use the phrase "kill brown people sitting on top of oil reserves" next time you want to play the troll looking for for junks.

Now, go back to bed, dear - the adults are talking.


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:41 | 1148607 WaterWings
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It looks like Shameful's weekend started early with good ole Jack Daniel's. That's all.

I'm pissed as hell that fellow Americans want to keep discussions about the mass-murdering MIC as civil as possible. FUCK THAT SHIT.

"Well, we may not agree on everything and we just have to trust our elected officials. They did win fair and square as you know."

Bunch of white collar slaves out there that just want to talk about sports and fashion gossip. Apathy is the greatest form of slavery. I DO NOT consent to be governed by genocidal-financial rapists.


Keep it up, Shameful. Kudos. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:54 | 1148176 Founders Keeper
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[Why?  Nothing Americans like more then killing brown people with high tech weapons....]---Shameful

Shameful, I've read many of your posts. In general you offer helpful insight, a unique perspective, and a thoughtful tone. This one though, not so much.

I agree of course with your passages about Reds and Blues sharing blame. (If you've read a few of my posts you'll know I abhor Entanglement Foreign Policy. I side with our Founders.)

No, I didn't Junk you. On balance with your body of work here at ZH, I decided against Junking this otherwise thoughtless post.

Soon enough, we may all be thrust onto the Impossible Battlefield that separates the men from the boys.

I look forward to your future posts.


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:15 | 1148483 Shameful
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Look around you. Where is the war protest? Seems that died in 08, right around election time. Truth is America doesn't care about killing people, heck we actually like it. It's a culture of death. I'm just pointing that out. We can all pretend to not see it, but Americans love killing. Look at our entertainment, our symbology, indeed our music. It's nothing but death with some sex and sizzle tossed in.

So you mix Americans love of death and of "winning" and wars are a natural option. I might have been a young guy but seems to me America was riding pretty high on morale when they blew up some antiquated militaries in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sure there was some anti war rumblings, but as far as I can see they are all quiet now, with few exceptions.

So where do cultures that love only death and dominating tend to go? People point to the leaders and blame them. Sure they are at fault but look at the blood thirsty mob around you. How many of them would cheer on a war if it dropped their gas prices $0.10? How many would gladly have women and children bombed for a cheaper fill up at the gas pump? Not a happy thought, but these people will be the ones around us when the balloon goes up. Better think about what sort of people are around you. If a lover of death sees you have something and he doesn't...well what happens?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:38 | 1148610 Judge Holden
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I think your analysis is too strong, though far closer to reality than most people will ever get.  It's not that we enjoy blowing up brown-skinned people with high tech weapons.  It's that we love blowing up people that we've been told are the "new Hitlers" of our time (with high tech weapons.) 

And the media makes sure to let us know that the modern world is full of new Hitlers.  Milosevic, Saddam, Ahmadinajaed, etc...  Gaddafi is probably the most amazing example, going from the "mad dog" of the 80s, to the WMD-abandoning reformer of the 2000's... before becoming the "Milosevic" of 2011.

The feelings of strength and unity that come with waging war are a well documented phenomenon - as are the outsized profits that the rich obtain from it.  Any wedding parties that happen to get bombed - or reporters slaughtered by Apache helicopters - are dismissed as unintended casualties of war.  Everyone, buckle up, and get ready for the (undeclared) Libyan War of 2011.  History teaches us NOTHING.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:57 | 1148679 Shameful
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To strong? As you point out get buckled in. Wait till there is another terror event on our soil (false flag or not). And then see the blood lust fly.

The only reason Americans have never stood for war crimes is we haven't actually had to suffer the humiliating defeats often forced on our enemies. God help us if we ever lose.

History teaches us a lot. The masses are cattle, and the rulers are madmen driving the herd to the slaughterhouse. Know that and navigating this crazy world is a lot easier. But if you mean teaching the masses then you are correct. The masses have never learned and presumably will never learn. We only become aware as individuals when we step outside the herd.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:16 | 1148744 Judge Holden
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I was referring to your accusation about the American people's war motives when I said "too strong."  I don't believe we engage in war as a way to watch brown people blow up - which seemed to be what you were arguing, hyperbole or not.  In my view, most people who support pointless wars do not do so for this reason. 

The majority of people support unneccesary wars because they are convinced that they are the good, and the other side is the bad, and, therefore, it is our duty to step in, no matter the cost.  Because, in our minds, our motivations are irrefutably good, it doesn't make us feel as bad when civilians die. 

Military action brings with it a strong feeling of unity with it.  Remember how everyone felt after we were attacked on 9/11 and we struck back in Afghanistan?  And for some sad souls, warfare also creates powerful sensations of strength and masculinity that are lacking in their ordinary lives.  This is where the term "chickenhawk" comes into play (civilians who call for wars that they won't have to fight in.)  You can see evidence of that in this comments section.

As for history, I agree it has the potential to teach us A GREAT DEAL.  But, as a people, we don't seem to be learning from history.

While I can tell there's probably much that we would disagree on (I'm not a 9/11 Truth-er), I still find what you said to be on the right track IMO.  Many of the comments attacking your post were unmerited.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:22 | 1148755 Judge Holden
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Note that I'm not calling you a chickenhawk - you're obviously not.  Just saying that they are one of the types of people that get us into wars.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:33 | 1148786 Shameful
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No, the masses have 0 input on a war just or unjust. It's started then sold to us. And with the advent of TV and watching the smart weapons they figured out a lot of the cattle liked watching expensive toys break and destroy things. Makes us feel good, like a bully on the schoolyard. Feels great until another kid kicks our ass.

The masses have about as much say in a war as the herd of cattle does about where the drivers will steer them, basically none. We are fooled into believing we are picking the direction because that makes the herd more placid. If the Soviets had figured out the two headed one party system they would still be dragging themselves forward. The illusion of control is all the masses want or need.

As a people we cannot learn. The mass man will always be dumb and stupid. All of recorded history bears this out. So a change would literally be a turning point in history. I look around and don't hold my breath.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 02:00 | 1148828 baby_BLYTHE
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"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation."- Henry David Thoreau

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 02:48 | 1148927 Judge Holden
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the masses have 0 input on a war just or unjust.

Well, I would disagree with you on this, but I understand why you think it.  I'm done talking about this for now, good chatting with you.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:40 | 1148612 Founders Keeper
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[Look around you. Where is the war protest? Seems that died in 08, right around election time....]---Shameful

Hard-driving thoughtful post, Shameful.

Welcome back to the good side of The Force.


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:37 | 1147338 john39
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war is peace.  anyone still wondering why some islamic countries referring to the the U.S. as the great satan?  truth be told, it would be more accurate to call the U.S. "the great satan's attack dog"... as the great satan, in fact, resides elsewhere.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:40 | 1147350 cossack55
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Maybe London or perhaps Belgium?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:32 | 1147553 caconhma
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Yes, it is London. The Rothschild family resides in London. They own the EU Central Bank, the FED, and IMF.

The USA became a Rothschild and Zionist colony. America became a very pathetic country.

We are not even an evil empire. The USA is an evil colony. What a shame!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:10 | 1148065 samsara
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Rothschilds...  Did you know that the "City of London"  is run by the Bank of England, a private corporation. ... the 'City' is not subject to British law  

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:41 | 1147355 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Would that 'elsewhere' be israel?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:53 | 1147422 NotApplicable
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Basel comes to mind.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:05 | 1147681 New_Meat
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nouveau Bretton Woods this week

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:02 | 1147445 NOTW777
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did satan tell you the "elsewhere"

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:05 | 1147474 solidsteele
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The united Nations

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:47 | 1147793 Seer
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No, the UN is a puppet organization of the US.

Thanks for playing!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:42 | 1147987 Spastica Rex
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I think we're beyond nations at this point.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:00 | 1148028 overmedicatedun...
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sure seems the drums are beating for a second term for this sinister war monger..will the American people ever know who he really was?

The third rail of politics is now his own prior history..a mystery protected by his own executive orders on day one of his office.


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:39 | 1147341 ebworthen
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Jesus, think of our poor guys and gals that have spent years in Iraq or Afghanistan being sent to Libya and told to secure the oil fields - but don't shoot the "rebels" or "civilians" - then hearing "Allahu Akbar!" shouted from every direction.


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:41 | 1147365 kengland
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Jesus, think of our poor guys and gals that have spent years in Iraq or Afghanistan being sent to Libya and told to secure the oil fields


No problem...just tell'em it's for their freedom and you're good to go.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:20 | 1147527 Dugald
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Do it for the "Gipper"?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:57 | 1147829 Haywood Jablowme
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Just don't tell em' J-Lo died....or in today's case, that Snooki died.....bad for morale.


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:06 | 1147476 Arkadaba
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And if the gov gets shutdown they don't get paid. Watched CNN today - shills from both political parties trying to make hay over this. Makes me sick.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:14 | 1147507 disabledvet
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oh one shout of that and they'll know exactly what to do.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:22 | 1147530 TemporalFlashback
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The real enemy of the troops are the people that sent them there.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:34 | 1147558 Bob
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:50 | 1147811 Seer
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If you continuously pump lead you're not going to hear all that.  Carry on!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:39 | 1147347 alien-IQ
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America's addiction to war has become pornographic.

What's the worst part about it?

The silence of the American people.

This country is earning it's reputation as the most hated empire on earth...and with damn good reason.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:43 | 1147369 cossack55
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...has become pornographic. Maybe not. If it was, the SEC would be downloading all those CNN spots.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:08 | 1147486 Cognitive Dissonance
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The SEC has it's own separate network hard drive just for downloaded war porn. Plus they all stream "The Military Channel".

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:44 | 1147374 kengland
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The silence of the American people.


What are they supposed to do? Rebel? Protest? Then what? Russia comes in to support the "rebels" with some sort long ranged bombing

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:04 | 1147455 Confucious 222
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Well, rebellion and protesting in the U.S. would not be in Israel's short or long term interests, so that's not going to happen.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:47 | 1147388 molecool
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I dunno - during its time Rome was definitely up in the list.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:56 | 1147390 bob_dabolina
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lol America's silence.

When we get outraged they don't listen. It would take an act of violence to get them to listen to us.

Just look @ the WS bailout a/k/a TARP where 99% of Americans were vehemently against it. There were SOOOO many calls that it overloaded congressional phone circuits and the lines went down. People protested everywhere. Passed.

Look at the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. I don't know of anyone that supports them. Republican voters don't approve of them, Democratic voters don't approve, Libertarian voters don't approve. Those wars have no goal and no real support. Here's a little FYI, we have been at war with Afghanistan longer than alllllll of WWII lasted and the Taliban didn't even have an organized army...we were getting attacked on horseback (I remember watching the Telley in shock)

Look at the Obama care where 67% didn't approve and it was actually voted down...they snuck it through with that bullshit procedural trick (can't remember the name of it) Do you remember the rallies?

This is why Thomas Jefferson advocated revolution and occasional violent uprisings against the government. He was of the mind that the only way to keep these officials in check was by spilling their blood from time-to-time.

As Michele Obama said "This is the first time I feel proud to be an American" I unfortunately feel shame and disdain for the first time as an American.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:32 | 1147556 Dugald
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The galoot from you local hardware store, the nice bent lawyer you voted in, remember them, well once elected they  are imbued with superior intelligence and political understanding....they know whats in your best interest...see?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:00 | 1147826 Seer
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"I don't know of anyone that supports them."

Sadly, there's a ton of them out there.  Look at all the junks whenever anyone questions the empire.

This shit is either sold to the End-Time Christians as ridding the earth of the bad religions, or to the bleeding-hearts as acts of liberating (some oppressed group).  And all the jocks out there get hard-ons over the projected power, giving them some (false) feeling that they have power in their life (never mind that it's actually the opposite, that the more the tanks and guns are used the LESS power they have, because it's the State that is sucking the power at these times).

I'm rooting for Darwin... Mother Nature has a way of dealing with stupidity...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:52 | 1147406 NOTW777
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dont blame the american people - look at your president

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:12 | 1147497 Arkadaba
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mmm - is your country run by the president? What is Congress - don't they give the power to a president?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:17 | 1147518 tellsometruth
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shhhhh your not supposed to know that

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:21 | 1147524 Chuck Walla
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mmm - is your country run by the president? What is Congress - don't they give the power to a president?


Apparently you haven't heard - this son of a bitch rules by fiat(exec order) and subterfuge, change you can really believe in.  Congress is just an ornament hanging from his rear view mirror.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:35 | 1147574 Dugald
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But....but....but.....he talks so purty!!!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:02 | 1148469 thefedisscam
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Very well said!!


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:40 | 1147349 dogismyth
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I thought I read somewhere that someone (in power) is drafting impeachment proceedings.  I would concur to the nth degree that this rogue president needs to be brought to justice.  But attempting to stop a war has its consequences for those that challenge the establishment.  Will there be any brave americans or politicians to pursue this? 

I think many people have it backwards.  We shouldn't worry about Rome burning, we should be concerned of the aftermath.  Because the PTB will surely bring all countries to their knees and install their puppets for the final rule.  You folks really cannot see what is happening?


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:41 | 1147367 alien-IQ
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"impeachment proceedings" is a fancy way of saying "here, chew on this drivel for a few months you fucking plebs...we'll still do whatever we want and there ain't a goddamn thing you all are gonna do about it"

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:03 | 1147454 NOTW777
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its not a "war" - its a kings folly

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:02 | 1147850 Seer
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Someone is always drawing up impeachment shit.  Most times it's just to rally the (stupid fucking) political base (sheep).  And, it's never really about anything that would attack power: a lie, a blow job, really?  GW Bush lied, sent people off to die for a lie and nothing...  No, TPTB have a lock on it all, they've got it so that nothing is going to touch THEIR executive.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:40 | 1147354 yabyum
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No US ground troops in Lybia. PS bring 'em home from the sandbox, we can't  afford this shit any  longer.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:41 | 1147356 Tim White
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The crude is so sweet, the gold real neat!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:45 | 1147368 Coke and Hookers
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El presidente's handlers are tweaking his operating system all the time so obviously he changes his mind a lot. According to reports there's a huge U-shaped scar on his head where they inserted the control chip. Another theory is that it was an exploratory surgery to check if he had a brain. The results were apparently inconclusive but there was plenty of space for the processor; Intel Xeon E5502 Type: NWO.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:01 | 1147665 Holodomor2012
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They've abandoned his 2nd term - so they will drain him hard now.  Die ewige Vampire.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:21 | 1147724 Coke and Hookers
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Good point. He's behaving like he's on his second term. Or maybe he's too stupid to figure out he's being strapped into a kamikaze plane without a landing gear.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:27 | 1147740 Hansel
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What does Obama care?  He'll go back to being a book seller full time.  He made more money from his book deals last year than his presidential salary.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:46 | 1147370 Manny
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War, war, what is it good for ?

It's good for making profits!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:45 | 1148644 WaterWings
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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:46 | 1147371 dick cheneys ghost
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This is a proxy war with china..........the Chinese are colonizing Africa in search of raw materials to feed their paper economy...plenty of evidence....

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:53 | 1147424 oogs66
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Agree 100 per cent. China will intervene somewhere in the next 2 years to protect their purchased resource interests. There is a reason that Russia and china didn't vote against this intervention.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:02 | 1147841 Haywood Jablowme
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yes sir.  The alliances were drawn on this latest no-fly-zone fiasco...


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:48 | 1147384 Waterfallsparkles
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Did you read Drudge Report where there is an Impeachment Resolution passing aroung the floor of Congress?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1147397 AN0NYM0US
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better still read some of the comments there

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:24 | 1147531 Fernley Girl
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As long as Reid & Cronies, Inc. control the Senate those Articles of Impeachment mean jack shit.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:47 | 1147386 narnia
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he's provoking Iran now, as well.  Pakistan is on the verge of being Iran on steroids.  Israel is about to bring out the Can of Whupass.   Well, I guess one means of dealing with a youth unemployment rate of 40% is to send them a draft card, hand them a gun, and send them to make more terrorists.
Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:19 | 1147516 disabledvet
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"an enemies list can grow surprisingly long surprsingly fast."

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:41 | 1147593 Dugald
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'Atta boy, you tell em'

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:43 | 1147613 EscapeKey
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We need more ME countries to enter the dark ages, with a ruling class suppressing the populace, while selling their oil to the Anglo-American empire in return for Lamborghini's.

And if they don't oblige... well, we always have some cruise missiles with their names on them, don't we? Want to be a ME dictator?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:59 | 1147657 narnia
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Among the list of ridiculous statements held as unequivocal truths by the war propaganda cheerleaders, the one I shake my head at the most is this notion that USA cannot do business with an Islamic country.  Why the hell not?  Do they have oil?  Do we need oil?  Are they willing to give it to us at a fair price?  Who in the world cares how the price we pay is distributed.  This transaction does not require a king on one side with a repressive regime.  

Apart from treating non-Muslims as 2nd class citizens, which only affects the people within that country, Islam is a political structure built by a businessman on free market principles with a rule of law.  That's a much better equation than the organized crime, lawless Western secular syndicate currently in place. 


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:05 | 1147671 EscapeKey
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Who cares about their religion.

It's a simple fact that the less the consumers of the country in question use oil, the more there is available for export.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:02 | 1147387 Mercury
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Boy was I wrong about this one.

I really didn't think Mr. 'The term victory makes me uncomfortable' would do this.  Politics aside, there were just so many obvious ways to lose here from square one.

And I know it was soooo obvious that the U.S. would go to war for oil in Libya but someone please show me a quick, back of the envelope ROI on the last war for oil (that isn't over yet).

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:03 | 1147463 NotApplicable
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You act like Obummer has freedom of action. He is doing what he is told to do, while saying what he has to, in order to placate the herd yet another day.

Even here on ZH it has been written that the instant the UN created the "no-fly zone" that a ground war is inevitable. Why? Because it itself is a declaration of war, requiring forces for enforcement.

Just think how "dangerous" the world would be if everyone recognized the powerless nature of the UN.

Simply put, government equals violence, as it is merely the most organized form of crime.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:42 | 1147605 Dugald
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The UN. One never ending travelling cocktail party!!!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:58 | 1147654 RichardP
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... the instant the UN created the "no-fly zone" that a ground war is inevitable.

Was talking to a female friend last weekend.  Many kids, busy, doesn't listen to the news.  I made reference to all the nonsense going on in North Africa.  She wondered what I meant and I told her.  Oh, she said, now it makes sense.  Several weeks ago, before the U.N. voted for the no-fly zone, a shirt-tail relative (guy - Army) had called her to say good-bye because he was shipping out for Northern Africa.  What?  she said.  Why?  I can't tell you that he said. I just wanted to say goodbye.

Let me repeat that that conversation took place before the U.N. approved the no fly zone stuff.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:51 | 1148167 SheHunter
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'...Was talking to a female friend last weekend.  Many kids, busy, doesn't listen to the news.  I made reference to all the nonsense going on in North Africa.  She wondered what I meant and I told her....'

And she's allowed to vote.  Sobering.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:12 | 1147888 Seer
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"Just think how "dangerous" the world would be if everyone recognized the powerless nature of the UN."

The UN is run by the US (history tells who wanted it).  The Iraq debacle, with the bugging by the US and without any complaints by they UN itself, pretty much shows this.  But... no, the UN isn't toothless- it does what it's supposed to do, give legitimacy for US militarism.  There's plenty of teeth behind the bark...

"Simply put, government equals violence, as it is merely the most organized form of crime."

And That, my friends, is all you really have to know! (Chomsky has been educating people of this for a LONG time; the US Founders also knew this- no standing armies?)

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:39 | 1147594 Bob
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Check the profits of the "defense" contractors in Iraq for that ROI.  The game is to get money from the taxpayers into private hands.  Mission Accomplished every time. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:11 | 1147694 poopyjim
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ROI = USD remains world reserve currency

Each new war makes it clear that if you don't take USD for oil you will get bombed to hell.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:48 | 1148005 samsara
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See my reply to Rainman above...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:50 | 1147393 molecool
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As I have said before - the only remaining option is to leave the U.S. for good. I cannot support this cluster fuck any further - it's beyond repair.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:06 | 1147678 NotApplicable
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Leaving the US is easy once you recognize that it is a political abstraction that only exists in your mind.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:48 | 1147998 Creed
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don't let the door hit you in the ass mole


and the rest of you America haters can leave with him

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 22:00 | 1148038 Spastica Rex
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Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:54 | 1148664 Judge Holden
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and the rest of you America haters can leave with him

This is so 2003.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:06 | 1148700 The Eradicator
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Hating America = not blindly following corrupt and morally bankrupt politicians.

You are everything that is wrong with this country.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 04:16 | 1148999 Confused
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Its a shame that you resort to this argument. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:48 | 1147394 RobotTrader
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We are going to war?

Does that mean LULU, SBUX, WFMI, OPEN, NFLX, DECK, CMG, etc. going to suddenly U-turn and rocket up to even higher highs?

Based on a successful conquest of Libya where we can "Americanize" it with new shopping plazas, malls, office buildings, Bank of America Home Loan offices, and hand out Chase "Ink" credit cards to the hordes of 20-something year old population ready to cruise coffee shops and eat cupcakes??


Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:59 | 1147430 AN0NYM0US
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the commercial (paid for by taxpayer bailout dollars)


Beer, Wine, Cupcakes and Kink

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:03 | 1147448 Long-John-Silver
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I love that "hidden" Chase Swastika

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:02 | 1147673 Holodomor2012
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It's a hurricane.  It represents the high pressure/low pressure zones of the debt slavery system.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:15 | 1147505 solidsteele
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Let Them Eat Cake!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:20 | 1147520 disabledvet
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You mean "Cupcake!"

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:47 | 1147617 Robot Traders Mom
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Robo, you'll be one of those "20 somethings" in about five or six years. You still have to learn to talk to women (not on the internet either) before you start "cruising coffee shops" though...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:50 | 1147400 Shameful
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Good, lets dial this "kinetic military action" up!  I can only hope that W will join Barry in a press conference as they take turns wiping their asses with the Constitution before setting it on fire.  It's an interesting precedent though, renaming something.  Wonder if next politician who gets caught in a molestation or rape will rename it a "kinetic sexual action" and escape prosecution that way (instead of the normal immunity).

So if we are so big on humanitarian relief what about invading China/Ivory Coast/North Korea?  It's not like we need a reason or act of Congress.  Barry can do it on a whim between rounds of golf.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:16 | 1147509 silvertrain
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He can even do it away from his office, rio even..

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1147408 NOTW777
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how can obama push boots on the ground when he refuses to pay them

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:59 | 1147436 Rainman
Rainman's picture the boots "advisors" and pay them out of petty cash, circa 1963.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:41 | 1147604 Bob
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The Banksters do provide some favors . . . as long as they hold the money. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 21:46 | 1147991 samsara
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No, it has to be with Troops.  It is the rear position defense/strike position in case Egypt et al make a wrong move on Gaza etc...  Also,  You can fly down thru Libyia quick across Egypt and you're covering SA...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:07 | 1148229 Seer
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"when he refuses to pay them"

What?  What the hell are you talking about?

Yeah, like ANYONE from TPTB is going to do something stupid like that!

I'm guessing your statement is based on party politics and your love of militarism.  Well, I hope that you get everything that you want...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1147409 doggis
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you said it all with this : "to distract the peasantry "


what better way to distract the peasants than to make a grab for oil and turn it into a war of religion - a holy war. this is right out of the playbook of the crusades. THEY WANT TO SPREAD LIBYAN INTERVENTION INTO MIDDLE EAST, NORTH AFRICA (MENA) RELIGIOUS HOLY WAR!!!


come on....really ~ AGAIN!! stop it!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:51 | 1147413 bugs_
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Why the "rush to war" Mr. Bush?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:52 | 1147419 Cynthia
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That's bad news for Obama. Even a crazy nutcase like Qaddafi is smarter than our dictator with delusions of grandeur.

What will Barry do now that it is unconstitutional and against human rights to get rid of Qaddafi? Our war-is-peace prize winning president better stay out of Switzerland or he may be held over for war crimes he commited in Libya.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:09 | 1148242 Seer
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And where were you when Bush was in office?

I smell another party hack...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 04:20 | 1149002 Confused
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The Swiss would do no such thing. Unless of course, it helps to keep the wolf from the door. Otherwise they look the other way, all the time. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:54 | 1147420 f16hoser
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Gilligans Island!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:53 | 1147425 somethingelse
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boots on the ground

        boots on the ground

               looking like a fool with our boots on the ground

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 18:55 | 1147431 Arkadaba
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Why am I not surprised.

Ok - decided this week is not a good one to quit drinking. I'm blaming it all on ZH!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:21 | 1147522 drink or die
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Time to pull out the big guns:


Captain's Mast

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 20:24 | 1147729 Dan Hot
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Oh man

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:15 | 1148652 WaterWings
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"In a tall glass finished with Everclear."

aka The Frathouse Special

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 19:44 | 1147609 Bob
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Mad Hatter IPA.

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