Is The US Preparing For "The Total Destruction Of Iran?"

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Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:28 | 266219 Roy Bush
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Wow, this is some HEAVY news here Tyler!  

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:53 | 266345 Squid-puppets a...
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Don't get too freaked. The US periodically does these heavy posturings - 2 yrs ago it sent a whole buncha warships to the Gulf, then did nothing. Then last year there was the undersea  cable cut that put persia in an internet blackout, thought to be in prep for war - both came to nothing.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:04 | 266463 Rainman
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First Dude just bagged a Nobel Peace prize. An egomaniac like him covets bullshit unearned accolades....and at the very least it will make his trigger finger sweaty. Not to mention he can't first strike anybody anywhere.....his political capital went up in smoke with what's left of the HCR mess.

Only way he could strike is if Iran started lobbing some big shit into Israel, but Israel is pretty well armed with US weapons in their own right, distrust Obama from the git go ( look at their recent dis of Biden ) and could easily finish off Iran, which is years away from a nuke.

There are always two US carriers in the Med 24/7/365. Just one of them has the capability to vaporize Iran. All of this other moving around is probably about something else.



Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:26 | 266491 gmrpeabody
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Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:25 | 266576 doublethink
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Besides, the US is having its own row with Israel.


"Israel's ties with the United States are in their worst crisis since 1975 ... a crisis of historic proportions," the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper quoted Oren as telling other Israeli diplomats in a telephone briefing over the weekend.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:32 | 266589 Shameful
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Means nothing. It's nothing more hen talk. The US has to pretend it matters but rest assured this will not change the direction of policy. We are tied to Israel very closely and I doubt anything will break that tie as long as Uncle Sugar can dole out goodies.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:05 | 266631 doublethink
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"This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden castigated his interlocutors. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace."



Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:21 | 266644 jeff montanye
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oh it's true as true can be, but, as shameful notes, probably will come to nothing.  speaking of unearned accolades, obama as warrior comes to mind.  and i say that as a pacifist. 

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:37 | 266662 Shameful
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If you think Biden cares one lick about the safety and welfare of the troops then I have a great deal on some bars.  It's just talk.  It's pillow talk.  Deeds not words.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:52 | 266682 caconhma
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"Besides, the US is having its own row with Israel." How stupid someone can be to believe in this garbage. Zionists do own the US ruling elite. Just look at the Obama White House. Most of its staffers are holders of the Israeli citizenship.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 02:48 | 266901 jeff montanye
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it's an exaggeration to say most are holders of israeli citizenship (rahm, his chief of staff does, and is an israeli army vet besides).  but your larger point is well taken:  the vast majority of all national politicians of both parties act like not just citizens of israel but members of the likud party and many like dead ender settlers.  

some of this is simple self-preservation:  check out artur davis's nomination and cynthia mckinney's defeat.  but a lot is voluntary, unexamined political momentum like the reflexive anti-communism that killed 50,000 americans in vietnam while killing untold numbers of vietnamese, cambodians and laotians, only to trade with them amicably a generation later.  

it keeps the mic busy but, like the oil argument currently, doesn't make lots of economic sense.  the oil producers would sell to us at prices not the monopoly price because it is in their interest to not maximize short-term profit but rather long-term profit and the consuming nations' financial welfare is a concern.  

look who started the iraq war; it sure as hell wasn't exxon or bp or shell.  it was neoconservatives like cheney, wolfowitz, rumsfeld, pearle and bush.  look behind the scenes and it gets more obviously linked to israel and specifically ariel sharon.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 22:10 | 266707 Orly
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That's exactly what I was thinking.

The US Navy already has enough armament/munitions/ordnance to blow Iran and just about everything else of value or interest in the Middle East sky-high.  And, as you said, Rainman, that power is already there or within ten-days' sail.  A move like that could be done in relative secrecy.

I have the sense that this is some subliminal sabre-rattling directed at the Chinese, via Tibet or the western provinces.  I have no proof or rumors of proof but, it just seems a strange coincidence that we are moving major bombs through what amounts to the Chinese backyard for no apparent reason.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:56 | 266354 macfly
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Upon further reading I'm pretty convinced that this story being 'leaked' to the Scotting newspaper was a quite deliberate event, and a 'subtle' way of letting Iran know that the US means business, and is now officially rattling its saber.


Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:33 | 266499 Howard_Beale
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Seriously? Like they didn't know it for the last decade? It's just a strategic allocation of miitary assets. We do it all the time.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:35 | 266656 Miles Kendig
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Especially since all of the strategic warehouses were emptied rather than budgeting to properly maintain & replace equipment and expendable supplies in readiness since 2003.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:57 | 266531 masterinchancery
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Nothing will happen, as usual.  Too bad; nuclear Iran represents a transition to complete instability in the world.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:01 | 266535 AnonymousMonetarist
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Had the same thought macfly.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 18:06 | 266374 B9K9
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Actually, I'm a little disappointed with the breathless sensationalism. Look fellas (and gals too), in order to understand the world around us, and what is ultimately directing our historical events, it's really fucking simple:

The US, like the British Empire before it, the Spanish Empire before it, ad infinitum, is an imperialistic enterprise that utilizes its technological advantages to extract, utilize & otherwise exploit opposing regions, peoples & cultures for its own benefit.

The country itself can trace its founding back to the original colonies which were created as a result of granting royal charters to independent investment groups. Never mind that pre-existing indigenous peoples already 'owned' the land. Like Australia, which as recently as 1967 officially classified Aborigines as fauna (!), Indians were viewed by Europeans as nothing different than hostile deer & bears.

Fast forward to today. We have two mutually dependent groups that require the complete direct assistance of the other to survive: the Fed and the MIC.

Without the ability to deficit finance (ie print money in which to purchase debt), the DoD could never hope to cover a fraction of the operating & capital expenditures necessary to maintain world-wide military domination. However, OTOH, without the ability to break the hard oil peg (ie print money in which to purchase debt), the Fed could never hope to cover a fraction of the operating & capital expenditures necessary to maintain world-wide financial domination.

Get it? Both GWI & GWII were, and have always been, about oil. We are in Afghanistan not to pursue the Taliban and/or (de)stabilize Pakistan, but rather to surround Iran. One can bitch & moan about our state of affairs, but without our military ensuring the power of the Fed (and by extension the $USD), I don't think many ZH space monkeys would really enjoy paying the true market price for oil and all that that entails.

Let's just say that the only world we currently know right now is fairly peaceful compared to the alternative. We've got 3rd generation welfare queens & their broods 'quietly' staying on their side of the tracks, we've got vast armies of unemployed 'quietly' sitting in their homes drinking & watching daytime TV, we've got huge numbers of "students" 'quiety' warehoused at attending schools, we've got millions of public employees going to "work", etc.

If any and/or all of these groups ever woke up from their collective stupor, they could cause a bit of a head-ache for the types of smarty-pants that inhibit ZH (myself included). As Denninger so eloquently states, we are all Lehman.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 18:20 | 266395 illyia
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 we are all Lehman.

You probably won't believe me, but: Speak For Yourself. I am NOT Lehman.

Nice rant, though... and I love Denninger...

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 18:56 | 266451 B9K9
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Do you eat? Most of your produce is either grown in Mexico, or an illegal alien picks/processes food grown in the USA. Pesticides/herbicides are petroleum based; without our dollar/military hegemony, food costs would skyrocket.

Do you drive a car? Our happy motoring environment is based on the ability of our dollar/military hegemony to deliver benefits far in excess of true costs.

The number of possible examples are endless, but the two above should suffice. Yes, Virginia, you are Lehman.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:55 | 266618 swamp
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I live in a 2 billion dollar ag. county -- MIGRANTS not "illegals" pick the crops. AND, the migrants are heavily subsidized by the federal government -- transportation to and from work, and housing is all TAX payer funded. 

Pay Americans a decent wage and stop the subsidies which are hidden costs.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:12 | 266635 Raymond K Hassel
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It's clearly misguided to suggest we are all Lehman.  Personally, I hold myself to a standard where such a possibility is not possible.  I would hazard to guess that the majority on ZH would fall into this category - not the least of all yourself B9K9 - your contributions are too good to be otherwise.  But perhaps it is not all that different to say that if we are not in fact Lehman, then we have either 1) profited immensely from the ineffecient biases that Lehman inserted into all the markets from which we have benefitted without ever having done enough to stop it, or 2) been too stupidly engrossed in the orgy to have even realized what was going on.  So perhaps its more correct to say - yes, Virginia, you are either Lehman or no better than Lehman. 



Tue, 03/16/2010 - 00:24 | 266835 Love and money
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Actually, if we ate locally grown pesticide free food -- okay, okay, if we allowed some cross-country produce shipment in the off seasons -- and if we had to do that, we would soon bring costs down to the point where the differentials with corn- and oil- dependent food prices wouldn't matter so much. Moreover, health costs would drop precipitously, freeing up economic resources for real stuff, like teaching those warehoused students some math so we could invent some real things.

This doesn't address the issue of workers processing the food, tho.

Would this speed up adoption of more efficient cars? Would it cause development of gas resources? Better yet, would it cause development of solar, geothermal etc?


Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:01 | 266462 Spastica Rex
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Sounds like a regular rabbit hole to me.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:53 | 266615 aurum
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you say "for our benefit"... you're forgetting about the indentured servitude they (the fed and the MIC) have ensured for our children and our childrens children. the path is unsustainable no matter how look at will end in due time..preparation and awareness are our only friends.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:50 | 266678 velobabe
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k9 i am printing out your work

your eloquent.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 22:49 | 266745 Hulk
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How's the noggin feeling velobabe???

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:55 | 266687 SNAFU
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B9K9: You once again hit the bullseye.  I will force my son to read your comment.  Thank you, sir.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 23:00 | 266754 Abraham Snake
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Yes, it's about oil, or specifically, Iran just isn't playing ball with US intentions to dominate the region politically so as to guarantee access to cheap oil. Iran is supplying arms to Iraq opposition groups, bad, but worse, they've had the audacity to establish a new oil exchange that trades petroleum in -anything but dollars-, and that exchange is picking up steam.

And to be honest, I'm less frightened by yet another asshole nation state having a minor nuclear capability than I am of 5-10-20 dollar per gallon gas which would crush any investments related to our suburban sprawl driving everywhere culture.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 23:16 | 266763 Kayman
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"the smarty-pants that INHIBIT ZH."

Not a Freudian slip I presume.



Tue, 03/16/2010 - 00:39 | 266845 faustian bargain
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'a bit of a head-ache''s called a hangover. Take some Goody's, you're gonna need it.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 03:06 | 266908 jeff montanye
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while i buy your broad brush take on empire, i deeply don't buy that these colonial (or whatever) wars in the islamic world are a) about oil first and b) in the interest of the country.  see above for my (hardly unique) take on the zionist/likud motivation for much of it.  as for the rest, it's largely working for political advantage by scaring the people with useful, revolving villains so as to maintain elite control.

as for actually helping the country, these wars do the opposite:  they drain our resources and make billions of people hate us.  our last real warrior president (ike) summed it up nicely in his farewell: beware the military/industrial complex; they do not have your best interests at heart.  

empires do many stupid things that help to bring about their own demise.  the spanish used their new world gold to buy luxury for an indolent aristocracy not invest in productive capacity, the british didn't try hard enough to avoid ww1 and its war breeding peace treaty (not to mention trying to keep the pound's prewar gold value).  we fight these deeply foolish wars.  how serious could we be if we won't even consider buying the opium production of afghanistan but rather continue dropping bombs on them (killing one "terrorist", giving birth to ? more).

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 09:56 | 267037 mouser98
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agreed on all parts, but wasn't Britain already hijacked by the Rothschilds when ww1 came around?  there are few things more profitable for the elites than a big old nasty war

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:03 | 267049 Grappa
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" how serious could we be if we won't even consider buying the opium production of afghanistan but rather continue dropping bombs on them"

Oh I wouldn't say that about the opium. It's been bought as we speak.

Read: "The myth of rule of law: Or how money works - the destruction of hamilton securities group" by Catherine Austin Fitts.

She can explain the drug issue well enough.



Tue, 03/16/2010 - 07:03 | 266976 -273
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Wise words, and especially these: Get it? Both GWI & GWII were, and have always been, about oil.

When you understand this, and the peak we are perched on, all their actions make sense.


Tue, 03/16/2010 - 08:11 | 266989 blindfaith
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good rant...however WE do pay a high price for oil.  Our big chunk of income tax goes to support the military which guard ALL tankers plowing the seas and many nations that produce.  That cost is not shown on the gas pumps.  Nor all the tax breaks and price supports directly and indirectly enjoyed by companies.  We pay more than europeans when you figure those cost in to the mix.

As for the Zombies, as long as the Fed keeps printing cash for the handouts they will stay quite until the bond market or dollar tanks and then what?

The top has a nasty wopple to it, and damn few see it or believe it, or admit it.  And, with blindfaith, the world observed what followed on.....

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 13:21 | 267388 AnonymousAnarchist
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According to an article in the Nation, the Pentagon spent more than $40 billion in 2009 building up the Navy to assure U.S. control over the international flow of oil.

But also don't forget about the Pentagon's effect on demand. As of 2008, the Pentagon itself was consuming 395,000 barrels of oil every day for ops in the mideast. If the Pentagon was its own country, it would be #32 on the list of oil consuming countries (beating out entire nations such as Sweden, Pakistan, Kuwait, Hong Kong, Switzerland, Chile, Israel, etc.).

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 21:54 | 266686 Wondering
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I dunno. I hear a lot about the next target being Kandahar.

There are lots of targets within the coverage of Diego Garcia and it is a very busy base...has been for several decades.

There are few facts underneath a ton of speculation...for all we know the bombs are a new version with better safety features.

And the idea that commerical transport of tons of munitions slides past the Somali pirate patrolled Indian Ocean sounds a little odd to me.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:30 | 266221 Cyan Lite
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Awesome soliloquy. 

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:49 | 266339 Don Smith
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We are confident that...Tehran will be exposed as a poison nest full of dirty, smelly CDS speculators who have been controlling the spreads on global credits ever since the late 70's, about the time Iran ceased being a most favored nation (forget that CDS did not come to the scene until the late 90's).

ROFLMAO.  Well played, sir.  Well played, indeed.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:30 | 266224 macfly
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This could go a long way to explaining exactly why so much US debt has recently been bought up by the UK.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:46 | 266260 Aductor
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As well as stubbornly high oil prices.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:24 | 266297 ZerOhead
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And stubbornly high inventories of crude... floating and otherwise.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:55 | 266349 deadhead
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oh yes.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 19:27 | 266492 Howard_Beale
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I think it's a whole lotta nothing.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 20:34 | 266593 doublethink
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Oil futures are down.


Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:31 | 266227 faustian bargain
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I really hope this is not where we're headed. I'm dismayed (but not surprised) that it seems a distinct possibility.

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:35 | 266236 Cognitive Dissonance
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This is where it's always headed. We have always been at war with Eastasia.


Mon, 03/15/2010 - 17:25 | 266300 wake the roach
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lol ;-)

Mon, 03/15/2010 - 16:31 | 266228 buzzsaw99
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And will Obama repeat Bush's mistake with Iraq, resulting in a huge spike in oil...


Mistake? I'm disappointed in you.

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