US Taxpayers About To Be Saddled With Another European Bailout Courtesy Of AIG

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Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:09 | 1354456 Robslob
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I was wondering where QE 3 would go...

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:18 | 1354499 SparkyvonBellagio
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Get out the torches, pitchforks, draft horses, and sulphur!

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:26 | 1354527 camaro68ss
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USA! USA! USA! O, is this the wrong time?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:23 | 1354735 The Fonz
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Wow AIG is just one super sized sack of shit, it will ultimately be buried. I wonder how that will go down? It almost looks to me like liablities for the ultimate collapse are going to be herded into a few scapgoats that will be flushed. B of A and AIG stand out to me.  

 

Still this effort is politically transparent, they cannot expect for round two of this trick to work for long, so the death of AIG and similar entities must be near?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:14 | 1354471 oogs66
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Just what we need, AIG to buy RMBS from Europe? 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 13:37 | 1354984 Flounder
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Its really not that bad. After the May IPO the UST only owns 77% of AIG.  So potentially the taxpayer would be on the hook for 77% of the bogus RMBS which the euros would reluctantly part with.  And the UST would only influence AIG management decisions 77% of the time.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2011-06-02-buying-o...

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 14:30 | 1355176 Threeggg
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Oh great, one solved by the printing press the other by austerity.........

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 17:39 | 1355895 Hi Ho Silver
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Does Cassano get a commision on this?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:16 | 1354482 augie
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21 billion? just put it on my tab.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:17 | 1354495 karzai_luver
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All failures are transitory comrades!

 

transitory memory.........

What the heck, if it's failure you want then go to the experts!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:20 | 1354493 zenon
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Are you sure they haven't also sold CDS's on Greece? I'm wondering who's left holding the bag.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:44 | 1354585 Harlequin001
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Greece?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:27 | 1354518 Urban Redneck
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If AIG already has 21 billion in notional exposure to the specific distressed assets they are looking to purchase, they could theoretically profit in either an up or down market- but that implies a level of expertise and sophistication that AIG certainly hasn't demonstrated yet.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1354573 karzai_luver
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BUt didn't all their "best" people leave?

 

Gvt bailout - expertise - massive fail - taxpayer rape

 

Which of the above is not like the others?

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:09 | 1354694 Urban Redneck
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The government sold off whole AIG divisions full of smart people at fire-sale prices, what was left was at most the "best of the worst"  I don't think there's a chance in hell that AIG can pull it off profitably, but there is a methodology that could work, or at least reduce and offset future significant losses which are bound to rematerialize as the current hopium high wears off

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:25 | 1354523 monkeys.pick.bottoms
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I cannot help feeling impressed with the spiderweb of "shitty deals" that is ever more intricate in world finances. A house of cards is a paragon of stability by comparison. Question: is collapsing Greece a catalyst for the world EVENT or will we see one country down every second month? It's been a managed financial chain reaction so far. Can it still be managed when Greece goes down?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:57 | 1354648 anony
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Greece isn't a real country. It hasn't the GDP of Rhode Island.  If Rhode Island were to default no one but the hens would know it.

To use it as a base to extrapolate what will happen to the entire continent, and the globe, is likely, a 'bridge too far'.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:23 | 1354734 RockyRacoon
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Yeah.   Thus spake the Archduke.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1354763 ConfusedIdiot
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Anony re: Greece vs. Rhodel Island. Agreed except Greece total outstanding debt is more than RI's... about $236billion more. With 4million wage earners backing up this Greek borrowing. Nice.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 13:19 | 1354933 Urban Redneck
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I was playing around with some numbers the other day and Maryland seems like a better comparison to Greece.  The difference in my model is that it takes into account the national debt share that the citizens of a US State are proportionately liable for.  The data I didn't have convenient was Greece's proportional obligation to the ECB for the other PIIGS liability, but since they only account for 2% of GDP and ECB doesn't issue supranational debt (yet) it's impact would be negligible, unlike throwing in FED & GSE obligations in the US. 

Maryland GDP $300B (2.07% of US total)
Population 5.8M
state & local direct debt $40B or 13% GDP
Share of $14T US National Debt $378B or 126% GDP
Combined Debt $418B or 139% of GDP
Combined Debt per Capita $72,069

Greece GDP $305.4B (1.90% of EU total)
Population 11.2M
State direct debt $436B or 142.8% GDP
Share of $0 EU supra national Debt $0 or 0% GDP
Combined Debt $436B or 142.8% GDP
Combined Debt per Capita $38,929

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:25 | 1354524 JailBank
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If I go buy a few nice Apple products and max out my credit card will the US govt bail me out? I am consuming.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:49 | 1354607 writingsonthewall
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You sire are a partiot and should be rewarded with the highest honour.

 

Everyone keep the Ponzi going, it's not what your country can do for you - but what you can buy from your country.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:29 | 1354528 Beatscape
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Fascinating. Are they trying to call the bottom and catch a falling knife? Or, are they trying to ensure their TBTF status?  Next time, it would be healthy for the system to let the stupid players fail.

BTW, the IYR looks like it may FINALLY be breaking down.  It's leading the market down right now.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:26 | 1354529 surfwon
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You can burden the USA  ALL YOU WANT..... WITH AS MUCH DEBT AS YOU WANT

IT IS NEVER GOING TO BE REPAID...... remember the band on the titanic played right

up until the instruments filled up with water.........

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:28 | 1354537 Bay of Pigs
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I thought Jamie Dimon said all the bad actors were gone now?

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 13:17 | 1354913 Head_Shots_Work
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He's still there isn't he?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:32 | 1354538 wombats
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What is RMBS?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:35 | 1354556 JohnG
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residential mortgage backed securities

 

the crap loans packaged into toxic waste

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1354571 wombats
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Thanks for the info.  I'm still learning.

 

Maybe all the RMBS sludge can be poured into barrels and burried in Love Canal.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:24 | 1354742 RockyRacoon
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Storage is not a problem.  There is plenty of space where the gold used to be.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1354569 glenlloyd
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How is it that AIG has capital to deploy but they're still owned by the taxpayers?

AIG should have been allowed to go under, then we wouldn't have these kinds of stupid things going on that only zombies do because they don't understand that their very existence is courtesy of a population that never wanted it to begin with.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:40 | 1354582 wombats
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I second that sentiment.  Why can't AIG and all of the TBTF giants just be allowed to die their natural deaths?  Sure it would be painful for a while, but wouldn't we all be better off in the long run?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:02 | 1354654 augie
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If you had the power to run the world, would you give it up? Stability is more valuable now a days than freedom. One of my favorite qoutes from ben franklin that fits so beautifully into todays culture of fear,

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary saftey, deserve neither liberty nor saftey"

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:11 | 1354705 wombats
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Sad but true.  Society places little value on freedom any longer.

I wonder how long before the power brokers demand our guns and PMs.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:20 | 1354724 Vic Vinegar
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That is a classic Ben Franklin quote.  A lesser known, but just as enjoyable line from Poor Richard is:

“Damn, Voltaire, you sure know how to throw a crazy, mother f’ing orgy.  I need to come back to France more often.”

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:25 | 1354745 RockyRacoon
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How is it that AIG has capital to deploy but they're still owned by the taxpayers?

This is the new era.  We don't need no steenking capital.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:41 | 1354575 Caviar Emptor
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This isn't really a bet on a real estate recovery: this is a criminally engineered back door bailout to banks that are still holding this worthless paper on their books. Perhaps the plan is this: use AIG as "THe Bad Bank II", soaking up global toxic paper using US taxpayer funds and thereby making the criminal banks smell less like manure and a bit more like buttercups. 

That would be a bankster dream. Then they could let AIG fail, get bailed out again and become the US taxpayer's headache. Wash, rinse, repeat

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:48 | 1354615 anony
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Well that should make George Soros feel just peachy.

He has been behind, or in front of "Socializing" the risks of gamblers like himself take for a half a century. 

All profits, of course, only accrue to the gamblers.

 

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:54 | 1354632 carbonmutant
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Sounds like the deal that Merkel and the "empty suit" worked out...

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 11:56 | 1354643 fuu
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Wasn't AIG bailed out more than once? I seem to recall that just about every other week they needed another 10-250 Billion.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:00 | 1354649 Ace Ventura
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I learned more from watching this video series about the way things REALLY work....than I did in years of watching 'news', going to college, serving in the military, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l37RhdFGVsM

Within the first 3 lessons you'll get full understanding of why entities like AIG will never be allowed to fail (above link should be to Lesson 1). Don't worry, it's presented in a manner that even a regular dude like me can understand.

Enjoy your red pill.

P.S. I believe most ZH'ers are already familiar with the material, but it's worthy of passing on to the people in your life who may 'not get it', or those who prefer the ostrich method of crisis management.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 19:24 | 1354681 fuu
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Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:07 | 1354674 MsCreant
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You know that Wile E. Coyote moment where he floats in the air for a bit after he has gone over the edge of the cliff? It is not until he looks down and actually sees his predicament that he then falls. They have deployed the most massive global check kiting scam known in the history of human kind, in an effort to prevent us from looking down and actually seeing our predicament.  We are in the slow motion moment that stretches.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:09 | 1354697 falak pema
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wow, would you like to dance to prolong this limbo?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:09 | 1354679 HileTroy
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I was wondering when AIG was going to rear is ugly head.  I'm curious about the insurance industry and ALL the un-natural disasasters that have hit us what happend to all the swell news of mmmm them tar naados and fires and flooding. 

 

wait  Lindsy Lohan get 35 days with a ankle bracelet at home and a congressman shows his ass well ok the other part.

All is well.

Holy shit i wake op every day in Bazaro would.

I picked the wrong day to stop shooting heroin

we don't need water let the mother fucker burn

 

 

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:06 | 1354683 unclebill
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I'm not Sad...I'm PISSED OFF!!!!!!

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:12 | 1354689 falak pema
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Oligarchs Inc. I scratch your back and you scratch mine...ECB/FED and proxies helping each other out to clean their books as their liabilities continue to climb. Anyways, its the tax payer who pays in the general melt down of western assets both sides of the pond. The great alliance of MIC fed Nato now the great alliance of financial Titanic Ponzi...Charybdis and Scylla..you takes your pick...sheeple!

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:26 | 1354759 Cone of Uncertainty
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Good bank, bad bank, and so it is.

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 12:44 | 1354799 dcb
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this should be no surprise, because the people running AIG are all now from the NY fed.

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