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USS Carrier Harry Truman Now Officially Just Off Iran, As Israel Allegedly Plotting An Imminent Tehran Raid

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As we first reported last week, in an article that was met with much original skepticism, the Pentagon has now confirmed that a fleet of 12 warships has passed the Suez Canal, and is now likely awaiting orders to support the escalation in the Persian Gulf. The attached image from Stratfor shows the latest positioning of US aircraft carrier groups as of June 23: the USS Harry Truman (CVN-75) is now right next to USS Eisenhower (CVN 69), both of which are waiting patiently just off Iran.

Report republished with permission of STRATFOR

As for the catalyst the two carriers may be anticipating, we provide the following update from the Gulf Daily News where we read that Israel may be on the verge of an attack of Iran, with an incursion originating from military bases in Azerbaijan and Georgia. 

Israel is massing warplanes in the Caucasus for an attack on Iran, it was revealed yesterday.

Preparations are underway to launch the military attack from Azerbaijan and Georgia, reports our sister paper Akhbar Al Khaleej, quoting military sources.

Israel was, in fact, training pilots in Turkey to launch the strike and was smuggling planes into Georgia using Turkish airspace, they said.

However, Turkey was unaware of Israel's intention of transferring the planes to Georgia, the sources said.

The unexpected crisis between Israel and Turkey following an Israeli commando raid on an aid flotilla bound for Gaza Strip hit Israeli calculations.

Azerbaijan-based intelligence units, working under the cover of technicians, trainers and consultants, have helped with the preparations, the sources said.

Military equipment, mostly supplied by the US, was transported to a Georgian port via the Black Sea.

Georgian coastguard and Israeli controllers are co-operating to hide the operations from Russian vessels, said the sources.

They point out that according to Israel, it will not be in a position to launch a strike on Iran without using bases in Georgia and Azerbaijan due to the limited capabilities of its nuclear submarines stationed near the Iranian coast.

Meanwhile, Iran's Press TV reported that a very large contingent of US ground forces had massed in Azerbaijan, near the Iranian border. The independent Azerbaijani news website Trend confirmed the report.

Those reports came just days after the Pentagon confirmed that an unusually large fleet of US warships had indeed passed through Egypt's Suez Canal en route to the Gulf. At least one Israeli warship reportedly joined the American armada.

Press TV also quoted Iranian Revolultionary Guard Brigadier General Mehdi Moini as saying that the country's forces are mobilised and ready to face Israelli and American "misadventures" near its borders.

* Iran last night said it has cancelled plans to send an aid ship to the Gaza Strip as Israel "had sent a letter to the UN saying that the presence of Iranian and Lebanese ships in the Gaza area will be considered a declaration of war on that regime and it will confront it," Irna said.

We caution readers to take this news with a grain of salt as the Gulf Daily News' sister publication, Akhbar Al Khaleej, has a slightly less than stellar credibility rating. Then again, this is what some, Breaking News Online most notably, said about last week's carrier news, urging readers to ignore it.

 

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Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:22 | 436875 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Iran is a decade away from building a nuclear weapons facility.  If they have some from the black market I will not claim to know.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:25 | 437020 New_Meat
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DPRK?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:55 | 437097 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Anything is possible.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:19 | 436723 Carl Marks
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The horror, the horror.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:19 | 436725 johngaltfla
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Salt, grain. Absorb. Take it with.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:22 | 436733 Babalooee
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Can't decide if the headline carrier's name is ironic or fitting or destined or something. It has to be something at least.
From Plain Speaking An Oral Biography of Harry S. Truman
.....only eleven minutes after Israel became a state in May, its existence was officially recognized by the United States.
A year later the Chief Rabbi of Israel came to see the President, and he told him, "God put you in your mother's womb so that you could be the instrument to bring about the rebirth of Israel after two thousand years."
At that, great tears started rolling down Harry Truman's cheeks.....

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:28 | 436742 Jacob Dreizin
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<<Meanwhile, Iran's Press TV reported that a very large contingent of US ground forces had massed in Azerbaijan, near the Iranian border. The independent Azerbaijani news website Trend confirmed the report.>>

 

This would be great except that Trend News, which I monitor, absolutely positively did not "confirm the report".  Not by any stretch of the imagination!

 

Sort of calls into question the entire story... Frankly the Iranian news media is even less credible than the U.S. news media.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:29 | 436745 vote_libertaria...
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A negative payroll number is expected on Friday...hmmmmmm

IMHO if there was something imminent I would expect oil to be much higher.  A lot of these Iranian quotes about troop build ups could be just there making the home crowd revved up.  If in the next few months oil goes to $100+ on no (MSM) news then it may be getting serious.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:33 | 436757 Lucky Guesst
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Wonder how many of the 5 million people Ahmadinafreak told to move out of Tehran back in April actually listened?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:41 | 436784 ozziindaus
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That's Maroon Afterdinnerjacket but I have respect for the guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsL7OXjAizI&feature=fvst

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:10 | 436849 Lucky Guesst
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lame propaganda speak

"but I have respect for the guy"

really?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:12 | 436853 Lucky Guesst
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FYI, I am calling his interview lame propaganda and not your post.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 02:00 | 437865 Bringin It
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The guy you are calling Ahmadinafreak is an ethnic Jew.  Show some respect you anti-semetic whatever.

Anti-semite alert!  Alert!  Alert!

Calling all megaphone adherents.  GIYUS - come in.  Over.

Bomb Lucky Guest with two 's's now.

Shalom

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:35 | 436764 Milestones
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The U.S. has a large ground force apparantly to jump start us into yet another war. Restart the draft and whoosh, away goes unemployment and of course whats left of any pretext of sanity in this country. Oh, but ISRAEL will be safe. What in the hell is going on. MY GOD, BOMB D.C. AND NYC first so we can rid the world of the most dangerous idiots. Milestones

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:35 | 436913 redguard
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I think thats' why their pushing to lift don't ask don't tell so quickly. If talking about your homosexuality is against military law ,then in order to not be inducted all one would have to do is tell the draft board that your gay. Where as in the 60s one had to prove it to a psychologist(I believe).  

 

 

 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:47 | 436939 chumbawamba
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What, by sucking him off?  That must've been one satisfied psychologist.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:32 | 437046 New_Meat
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Mile--"The U.S. has a large ground force apparantly to jump start us into yet another war."

Probably be helpful to look at a map and to look at how much in the hundreds of tons of supplies would be needed to stick a force that more or less doesn't exist (certainly in the size that would be needed) to do exactly what?

- Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:52 | 437088 MsCreant
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Restart the draft and I will pick up a rifle and go quite ballistic. Me and other mothers in America. I didn't push my son out of my body so some fucking bankster could use his one precious life procuring and defending their loot.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:03 | 437118 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Your theme song?

..."If another country invaded the hood tonight, it'd be war fare through Harlem and Washington Heights, I wouldn't be fighting for Bush or white America's dream, I'd be fighting for my people's survival and self esteem, I wouldn't fight for racist churches in the south my nigga, I'd be fighting to keep the occupation out my nigga...."

Tell The Truth - Mos Def feat. Immortal Technique & Eminem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVN_SIGBJaQ&feature=related

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:41 | 437177 MsCreant
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I just like you, ya know that?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:50 | 437190 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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:)

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:32 | 437164 Cathartes Aura
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+++ resounding cheers, MsCreant!

this topic dovetails nicely with the millions about to lose "unemployment benefits" - no income? the military wants YOU!!

how families can allow their children to fight someone else's wars, which include such "weapons of mass destruction" as depleted uranium, white phosphorus, etc. beggars belief. . .

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:01 | 437206 MsCreant
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The only reason is because they don't know/haven't put the bigger picture together. Let a draft happen and that would be one hell of a motivator to put the cheesy poofs and remote control down and see WTF is going on. I dare them to do a draft. Any reason I might have to tiptoe and stay within the lines would be out the door with a draft. Break up my family, send my men to your war, oh yeah, burn...it would consume every cell in my body. I'd have no other reason to do anything but hunt as many of them as I could before I got caught.

LH's song that he posted, while a few of the items in it I do not take as properly vetted truth, the spirit of it is right on the money. 

Sat, 07/03/2010 - 16:34 | 450949 Cathartes Aura
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belated *headnod* to all you've said here.

again, would that more parents, mothers and fathers, said HELL NO! to sending their children off to be poisoned, mentally and physically, in wars that just support the hierarchy / status quo.

education is the only thing that can break this spell.  kudos to Mr. LH for that video link - first time I've seen it (tend towards a wide berth on Eminem), but it's good stuffs, added to my collection. . .

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:36 | 436769 Jacob Dreizin
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<<Meanwhile, Iran's Press TV reported that a very large contingent of US ground forces had massed in Azerbaijan, near the Iranian border. The independent Azerbaijani news website Trend confirmed the report.>>

 

Trend News, which I monitor, absolutely positively did not "confirm the report".

 

Just citing a real source doesn't make your claim true.  The source actually had to have said what you claim they said!

 

This is the problem with the internet.  We have millions of people living in total fantasy worlds, wondering "now why didn't I hear that in the MSM?"

 

Like, because it's made up!!!!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:37 | 436772 yabs
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world war 3 has been planned for years

just look up myron fagan for proof

thsi will indeed spark ww3 and Chumba is right

israel and the US are the bad guys not Iran

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:41 | 436783 Gully Foyle
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yabs

I have seen a lot of PSYOPS lately. The first anniversary of Nedra's death, protest leaders being rounded up and killed, womoen killed for Islamic law, so on.

The FOG MACHINE is working overtime.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 00:45 | 436801 Rusty Shorts
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 -

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:33 | 437050 New_Meat
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approximately 45 billion WWIIIs have been planned since January 1945.  Nothing new there.  - Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:07 | 437213 delacroix
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albert pike, had a plan.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:39 | 436777 Gully Foyle
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I can't think of a more appropriate time.
Which one of you created the Beatin Barack doll?
" He beat the odds now he beats his meat", Watch him stimulate his own package".

http://i.imgur.com/gZyYr.jpg

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:42 | 436785 LoneStarHog
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But...but...you all don't understand...when this was discussed the other day, one of our top military strategist posters assured us, This Is Just Normal Troop Rotation!

Hey, Top Military Strategist, where are you? You said not to worry! Where are you GENIUS?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:42 | 436786 Rogerwilco
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Do you people really think the Chinese and Russians would sit by while we massed a large ground force near Iran? That is just bullshit talk from young fellows who play too many video games. Obama (along with most Arab states of the middle east) might turn a blind eye to an aerial attack by Israel, and he might even authorize a few cruise missiles to make things interesting. No way is he going to allow U.S. troops in any overt ground action.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:51 | 436808 Jacob Dreizin
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Clearly you are not familiar with the paranoid mentality of the "hard core" around here.  The mere fact that this "news" has not been carried in the MSM makes it true.  The mere fact that it involves an alleged Israeli plot makes it true.  And if you don't believe it, you are "drinking the kool-aid".  And you probably even think Obama was born on Planet Earth!  So go ahead and keep believing what they want you to believe... and go buy some more stocks.  After all, we're in the biggest bull market of all time!!!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:59 | 436822 Gully Foyle
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Jacob Dreizin

You aren't one of the BP plants, so you must be either paid US PSYOP or Israel. Of course it could merely be an umbrella organization cutting those checks and they hand out your talking points as the situation arises.

Does Xe have a wing like that?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:07 | 436841 Jacob Dreizin
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"US PSYOP".... holy cow!

I'm really flattered that you would think so highly of me.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:56 | 437101 Votewithabullet
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No dude thats an insult.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:02 | 437114 Gully Foyle
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I don't think of you at all. I think of Cass Sunstein.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:28 | 437241 merehuman
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Due to a humongous lack of trust , few of us believe anybody. Its a result, but now it may be the cause of more trouble.

Does china trust the US? Ha ha. I doubt it. Whole damn world looken mighty suspicious to me, grabben my fries and coke on the way to watch americam idol, tired being the lone survivor.

Disenfranchised and disillusioned.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:57 | 436819 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I am afraid Barry is much stupider than you think.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:59 | 437110 RichardENixon
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"Stupider"?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:14 | 437134 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yes, it is a word.  Not eloquent enough for you?  Obama is a dupe who relishes in the admiration of quaint pleasures.  He prognosticates hope will save the day.  He is a demagogue among demagogues, all figuring their brilliant illumination will produce the answers.  He does not act, except fascistly, and he only dictates that the status quo does his bidding, which is stupid; his bidding and the fact that anyone should do it. 

Go reply to my posts on the thread where you asked the many misinformed questions on 9/11 please.  I have clarified them for you.  You are free to eat the red pill at anytime.  Thank you and come again.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 22:21 | 437597 RichardENixon
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If you think stupider is a word you are more stupid than you appear to be based on what you post here. It is especially ridiculous for you to criticize another person's intelligence while revealing yourself as the idiot you clearly are. For an imbecile like you to use the names of two rock gods as your moniker is a crime. If Lennon hadn't been cremated he would be turning over in his grave. As for enlightening me about 911, what the hell do you know about what really happened there? If you think the government did it, what are you doing sitting on your ass in front of a computer? Go out and do something about it, tough guy. 

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 00:08 | 437731 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I replied to your post on the other thread where you insult me and do not discuss the topic in which you questioned me in the first place, and I will address your name calling here too.  I feel that replying to your insults bring me down a notch, but I will do my best not to insult you back even though I want to. 

What the hell is your problem?  Do I know you?  Did I hurt you sometime?  Don't you know where you are?  You know, I am empathetic to the fact that you have been lied to about things in life, and that you are trying to rationalize it, but why must you insult me?  I do not know you.  And why can't you stick to the damn subjects.  You must be the most frustrated man on earth.  Find peace in love, brother.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 11:56 | 438563 RichardENixon
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When you post comments in which you portray yourself as the only person who really knows what is going on in the world and that anyone who disagrees with your assessment of the situation is essentially a deluded idiot, you are going to piss some people off. You managed to piss me off with that attitude and I responded with what I felt was some well-directed invective.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:22 | 436876 I need more asshats
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"That is just bullshit talk from young fellows who play too many video games."

You may want to reconsider insulting Tyler like that. So ZH is taking temperatures so they can report the results back to the cabal. Let them do their job.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:22 | 437149 Wynn
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dude, let it go. you're obviously still pissed off about that indian guy's post getting deleted earlier. who gives a fuck, really? if tyler (et all) want to squash dissent (or whatever), who cares? it's their blog, they pay the bills, they reap the rewards (if any). this ain't democracy, it's capitalism.

<excuse my interruption> ... resume your flame war morons

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:44 | 437252 I need more asshats
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what indian guy's post are you talking about. tell me so i can get pissed off!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:44 | 436791 Blano
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As much as I'd like to see someone knock the shit out of Iran, Israel launching from Turkey and Georgia???  Pretty far fetched it seems, especially given how pissed Turkey was about the killing of the flotilla terrorists.

But if they can pull it off, good on them.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 14:56 | 436816 Gully Foyle
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Blano

I corrected your statement.

"I'd like to see someone knock the shit out of Israel,if they can pull it off, good on them."

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:00 | 436824 the grateful un...
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5 carriers is a show of force, 2 carriers is a fighting force, one to run the day ops, and the other carrier for night ops. putting too many ducks in a little pond like the Persian gulf is just inviting disaster. the first thing a US force would have to do is take out the anti-aricraft defenses, which is really part of the long term solution. The Israelis may or may be able to launch a pin point raid that will compromise the Iranians nuclear research program. Frankly that notion is a bunch of dog crap, they want to take Iran out period, as part of their long term goal to control central asia. Terrorism is another bullshit excuse, the Iranians have never been behind a single terrorist attack. This is real politic, power, and weak men seek power, just as Bush sought power, Obama follows him, his own ability to lead vastly overstated by everyone but a few Neocons, who would now get their way. 

Attack, successful or not, is merely the premise for a no-fly zone, freedom of the seas over the Hormuz, and military control of Asia. The world gets smaller, and Obama knows it, so he rallies the other nations to attack the so called rogues. The only thing between Obama and the Neocons Machievellian dreams of world conquest, is his smiling face lying to you 7/24.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:04 | 436837 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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+911

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:18 | 436998 RichardP
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Obama rallies the nations to attack the rogues??  So - no thinking about this strategy was done before Obama was elected?  Or did I misinterpret your comment?

The U.S. has had pretty much a constant presence in the Persian Gulf.  When we replace one carrier group in the gulf with its relief, we usually have two carrier groups in the gulf at the same time for a short while.  This has been going on for a long time.  The process hasn't invited disaster yet.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:03 | 436829 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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When their cup runeth dry, these moronic fascist kleptocrats and oilgarchs will stop at nothing to keep their power gridloc in place.  Think about it this way; the rest of the G-20 wants austerity, the US doesn't.  The US wants them to keep buying our bonds, but they do not want to.  So the US freaks out and goes to war.  Realistic scenario if you ask me.

And for anyone who says "Why does Tyler post this stuff, this is an economic forum" note the reference point above.  Hint hint, US Bonds.

Ante Up - Busta Rhymes ft M.O.P:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLJCInCvugA&feature=related

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:20 | 437008 RichardP
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Bombs for Bonds.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:26 | 437154 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"I got a deal for you."  "What is it Mr. President."  "You buy my bonds or I bomb you."  "Your scare tactics are not scaring anyone."  "Fine have it your way."  Barry slams the phone down.  He glances over at the red button.  His mouth begins to water, and he rubs his hands together.  "Bobby, get me the Champagne!"

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:03 | 436831 BlueDonkey
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This will be used as the excuse for the huge rise in gold prices which will be really mainly caused by the lack of physical.   The war is the perfect cover for the FOFOA once-in-a-lifetime revaluation event.   Oil will spike and come back down.  Gold will spike and stay there.

 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:42 | 436932 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $55,000

My take on the possible Israeli strike on Iran would be for the Israelis to wait for something to happen (Hurricane Alex enters the GoM for example) and then go for it.

If Israel DOES go for it, I would think that Chumba would be happy, what with being all-in on gold.

Yes, oil would go to $200 or whatever, and it might bring down our rickety economy.  But, I think the economy comes down anyway.  Too many other problems...

And wars are terrible.  As stated above by others, most lives lost are innocents.  Still, no tears would be shed from me if Ayatollahs and Iranian nuke programs go down.

And if the Israelis destroy themselves in a general Middle East war?  Then the other half of you guys will be happy.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:52 | 436947 chumbawamba
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Yep, killing two birds with one stone.  Gold goes up and Israel goes down.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:10 | 436990 DoChenRollingBearing
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There it is.  Also, if Israel goes down, then they will bring down a lot of troublemakers with them.

Indeed:

He is Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:25 | 437021 chumbawamba
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In the sense that when Israel is gone then the thorn is removed from the lion's paw, sure.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:36 | 437412 Max Hunter
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There would still be some clean-up work to do.. but sure..

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:02 | 436974 FrankIvy
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So close.

Gold is a side show.

It's all about the energy.

Oil production has peaked and is declining.

War in Iran is the cover.

Oil will never come back down.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:16 | 436997 DoChenRollingBearing
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As the price of oil goes up, more will be found.

If what we see in the Gulf (as well as offshore Brazil), there may be lots of oil not yet discovered.

Price keeps going up?  Oil sands / oil shale / nat gas / "green" energy all come into play.

Does that mean changes in our lifestyle?  Sure.  I think we all agree that the economy stinks MUCH WORSE than TPTB are telling.  So many lies...

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:28 | 437031 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There is no more to find, well, to be precise, there isn't much more to be found.  The reason we are so far off coast is a good example of peak oil.  And oil sands have a horrible EROEI, same with shale, same with green energy, and nat gas will have to be made liquid and then shipped before it can make it to the US.  Nat is also a huge liability in liquid form, due to combustion.

Once we hit the backside of oil production, which we will very soon, this is all over.  This is the MAIN REASON the banskers took the economy down when they did; they wanted to consolidate everything one last time.  Evidence in the fact that the '05 plateau became observable in '08.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:44 | 437075 New_Meat
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LH, loved your music a while ago, well H much more than L.

"...reason we are so far off coast is a good example of peak oil."

Might add legal restrictions that force such drilling in the first place.  Why, ANWR drilling would be in such shallow water that they might as well be on dry land.

- Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:16 | 437139 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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ANWR is not worth destroying the nature that is above it.

And as far as my music, Jimi is my better side ;)  But John adds flavor.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:17 | 437229 FrankIvy
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NM

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:17 | 437230 FrankIvy
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Do Chen wrote: As the price of oil goes up, more will be found.

 

I won't get into a big rant about oil right now, but if you agree that it's a finite resource, then you must agree that production must peak some day.  Look at the US.  Production peaked in 1971.  If you were correct, why didn't we just "find more."?

Answer - there was not enough more to find to reverse the downward fall in production.  As simple as that.  If there was not enough more to find in 71 in the U.S., what makes you think that there isn't not enough more to find RIGHT NOW in the world?

If the answer is shit like "shale" and other crap the MSM throws out, here's my abreviated retort (note I could write 100 pages in response):

Production has been flat for 6 years even though price has increased manifold.

KSA didn't produce any more oil as price went from 50 to 150 over a couple of years.

We invaded and occupied Iraq under false pretenses, but they are a top 5 oil country.

There has been no major find in decades.

New finds are all hard to produce.  Great to have 1,000 gallons of beer at your party, but if your 1,000 guests have to drink it through 100 standard coffee straws, nobody's getting loaded.

Oil is the unifying concept.  Be open.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:57 | 437340 DosZap
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Do,

Bro, WE have more CRUDE in the US, and more NAT GAS, than the entire friggin Middle East.............

Have had, known about it for years.Bottom line...........the Eco nazi's, and the Demoncrats have stopped us from being self sufficent.

The weaker we are, the easier the take down............

When folks we're getting gas rationed (by lic plate#), EVERY FRIGGIN storage facility in the US of A, was full to the TOP.

Tankers FULL< were sitting offshore, loaded to the gills.

So, you ask WHY we went thru all that shit?.

Unca Sam's plan.................wanted to see HOW we would react to a bit of hardship.The entire deal was contrived.

 

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 00:33 | 437765 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I have been wondering about the oil tankers...haven't heard about them in awhile.  Is there still a 26 mile line in the east China sea?  And outside Brittain?  And the eastern seaboard?  Looks like they are ready for when oil production backslides.  Oil production peaked in the early 70's in the US, and world oil production peaked in '05.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:29 | 437037 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Peak oil.  'Nuff said.  Good luck.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:28 | 437234 DoChenRollingBearing
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Mr Lennon, I always enjoy our back and forths.

Re Peak Oil, you sound like you know more than I do.  I did read Matt's book about peak oil and used to be in the oil business (30 years ago).

But, after reading his book, I then asked my good friend (w/ a PhD in Geology) who was an "Oil Finder" for Exxon (until he decided to get out on his own because he could make more money that way).  He was GOOD at finding oil.  So, I asked him what his view was on the whole Peak Oil theory.  He told me exactly this:

"There's plenty of oil."

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 00:29 | 437758 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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And he is correct; there is plenty of oil.  There will never be a last drop of oil, mind you.  Here is the argument-what is the cost of getting the oil out of the ground?  The cost has been rising higher and higher due to the fact that we are not finding as much as we used to, and we are finding it deeper in the ground, and further offshore.  EROEI is the name of the game.  And this stands for gold, silver, and iron too.  The first and last have peaked, silver seems to be on its plateau.  Another reason why silver tracks oil and vice versa.

The charts of oil production tell us a few things.  First, US oil production peaked in the early '70s.  Second, oil discoveries peaked before then.  We have not found a super field since the 60's, I believe.  We also have appeared to peak in global oil production in '05.  It appears we have been riding this bumpy plateau since then.

The case for the other energies are not good due to several facts, but the main one is that it takes oil to make the other energies.  It takes oil to fire the machines to sculpt a dam, or a nuclear power plant.  It takes oil to mine the metals in wind turbines.  It takes oil to process solar voltaic panels.  None of these have high EROEIs and Nuclear is negative in my book once storage costs are put in (they are infinite).

And what of the other petro products?  Well first, clean coal is a fairy tale.  And coal has a horrible EROEI.  So lets say that if we went that route, it would be expensive and dirty.  Should we end up like China?  Nat gas is another thing.  First we do not have that much in the US, and importing it is a hardship due to the fact that it must be made liquid to transport, and in this state it is highly explosive.  Also, because it is a gas, it is hard to measure the reserves, and we could actually have a steeper decline in nat gas than in oil.  Tar sands are utterly worthless, and so is shale.  Both have horrible EROEIs due to production.

Also take into the fact that we have gotten to the low hanging fruit already, even when it comes to coal and nat gas, and you can see how production is about to have its ass handed to it.  I mean, the Saudis are using sea water to pump out their remaining oil, and this could damage the remaining reserves to the point where they collapse.  And technology is another ballgame.  People think that if the tech is better we can find more.  Look no further than the GOM.  We tried to get out there, we failed.  Also note that the better tech does nothing but deplete the reserves faster.

As far as books, "The Long Emergency" is fine, but personally my favorite is "The Party's Over" by Richard Heinberg.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:05 | 436839 Jim Billy Bob J...
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Actually the G-20 leaders need to return home prior to such an event.  The effect of such a war in the middle east would surely be the end of E.U. whose survival is already in question.  I would think that such a war would be counter-productive to Obama's agenda of globalization.  At any rate, I think it will be another tough week for Obama who basically now only has the support of the extreme left, the politically challenged (in less PC terms - the political retards)  and 96% of the black populace. 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:07 | 436842 three chord sloth
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One possibility... this could all be last week's news... planning for the Iranian flotilla that was cancelled a few days ago.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:08 | 436846 williambanzai7
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Keep an eye on Jimmy Carter.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:11 | 436850 Crab Cake
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I don't mean this the wrong way, because I'm not hoping for US soldiers to get killed, but Iran would be better to preemptively attack given imminent action by these carriers and the IDF airforce. 

Strategically speaking Iran would be much better off to foment a false flag, and immediately react with everything that the air raids would take out anyway.  They must know that to play the defensive roll is to play to every advantage their technilogically superior opponents possess. 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:29 | 436899 Reese Bobby
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Attack U.S. forces?  Maybe the worst idea I have ever heard.  Iran is surrounded by U.S. warplanes.  And we are pretty good at bombing things.

Confusing situation but Turkey seems to be pivotal to the whole region.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:25 | 437022 RichardP
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We have had a military presence in the Persian Gulf for a long time.  What sensible excuse could Iran give the world for suddenly attacking those ships.  It is the commenters who are making this out to be a tense situation.  For the U.S. Government, it is just business as usual.  The relief carrier group has arrived.  The other carrier group will head out.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:57 | 437103 New_Meat
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The arriving group has to accept the handoff, lots of cross-decking (ammunition is the artillery's reserve, even when it is Naval "artillery" in all forms), face to face at all the staff levels, frick'en Judges need to confirm their zampolit handoff, etc.  Confirm the internal NOTAMS and "notices" to mariners that aren't yet public, etc.

Of course, when you have twice the force... (but it is a pissant force vs. all of Iran).

- Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:14 | 436857 FTWBTWFY
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Israel has become what they fear, and the U.S.A. has returned to where it came from: serfdom.  Opt out of the game...quit buying "stuff".  Complicity is another type of responsibility. 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:35 | 436910 I need more asshats
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Yes. Stop using credit. Live within your means. Take control back.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:18 | 437006 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $13 trillion

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:18 | 436867 wafflehead
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the iranians must be wetting their pants. They better find Jesus real soon before the sky turns into fire !!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:54 | 436953 chumbawamba
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The only sky that will be turning into fire is that over the Gulf of Mexico.

METHANE BITCHES!!

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:20 | 437009 DoChenRollingBearing
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That would REALLY SUCK.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:15 | 437369 DosZap
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Hey Guy's, Chumb is a Rock Group, He's a STAR..........

Got his own website!.

http://www.chumba.com/

Congrat's Chumb,didn't know you were Moosically talented.:>)

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:21 | 436873 JR
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Israel Seizes Oxygen Machines Bound for Gaza Hospitals

Posted By Jason Ditz On June 26, 2010 | Antiwar.com

According to officials with the Palestinian Authority’s Health Ministry, Israeli forces have seized seven oxygen machines bound for hospitals in the Gaza Strip. The machines were donated by the Norwegian Development Agency.

Israeli officials reportedly claimed that the devices, which concentrate oxygen from the air for people with lung problems, “came under the category of possible use for non-medical purposes,” the long-hand for Israel’s long-standing ban on “dual use” goods.

The latest incident comes amid Israeli promises to revise the blockade of the Gaza Strip to allow more humanitarian goods, including badly needed medical supplies in. They insisted that ‘dual use’ technologies would still be restricted, and it seems this is still keeping some of the most vital goods out.

It is unclear, given the nature of the machines involved, exactly what second use an oxygen concentrator could possibly have above and beyond concentrating oxygen. The Palestinian Authority has issued an appeal to Norway for help in assuring them released and delivered to the hospitals.

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/26/israel-seizes-oxygen-machines-bound-for-gaza-hospitals/print/

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:49 | 437257 I need more asshats
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Sickening. And Obama rewards this behavior by sending the carriers.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:21 | 436874 Ripped Chunk
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I really didn't expect this for another 6 to 8 weeks. I am clearly behind the times.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:22 | 436878 Gordon_Gekko
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Isn't it wonderful how the US Govt. is spending billions to fight useless wars in various countries throughout the world while millions of Americans are unemployed, broke and living in tent cities? What the hell are they "protecting" BTW with all these wars? Our country is already in RUINS.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:52 | 436948 Ripped Chunk
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OIL

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:58 | 437107 New_Meat
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Come on GG--all part of the master plan.  Remember: "Fundamentally Change..."

- Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:24 | 436882 Gordon_Gekko
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A bankrupt nation starting another war - oh the joys of having a fiat money system!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:52 | 436952 Ripped Chunk
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OIL

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:51 | 437194 Cathartes Aura
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"Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010"

 

wiki the US military budget. . . they don't allocate hella sums of "monies" for nothing. . .

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:11 | 437220 MsCreant
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This is not defense spending. This is Aggression Spending, The Marauding Budget, The Department of Predatory Warfare. And always your vultures sit, waiting to pick over the remains. Is this capitalism?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:19 | 437374 DosZap
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MsCreant,

Nope, it's this.............

OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM 
By Wayne Allyn Root, 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee

Barack Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. Economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos – thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. 
Barack Obama is my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University . They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival... And can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it. 

UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE 
The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression? 

CAP AND TRADE 
Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around." 

MAKE PUERTO RICO A STATE 
Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government. 

LEGALIZE 12 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS 
Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security
STIMULUS AND BAILOUTS 
Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions – including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America . The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means. 


RAISE TAXES ON SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, HIGH-INCOME EARNERS, AND JOB CREATORS 
Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. 

THE PERFECT MARXIST SCHEME 
With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system. 
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme – all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama using the Cloward and Piven plan. 

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:39 | 436886 Shylockracy
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Israeli suicide bombers attacking Iran? Unlikely, if Tsahal's less than stellar bravery record  is any guide. Israel is loosing control of the American middle class at vertiginous speed, and to avert this the totalitarian screws of the USGov will have to be tightened another notch. Another American war of aggression for Israel fits perfectly the bill.

It is not like this is news, since destroying regional obstacles to Greater Israel with American treasury, hardware and blood was clearly laid out in Feith and Perl's "Clean Break" paper written for their real party, the Likud.

The question is not if, but when and how the Israelis will throw their now weakened host under the Iranian bus.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:58 | 436966 chumbawamba
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A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm

http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:39 | 437173 Ripped Chunk
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Shylockcrazy, why would you use suicide bombers when you have nukes, missles, tanks and a fully equipped army?

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 02:33 | 437899 Shylockracy
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You missed the irony of the situation. Israeli fighter-bomber pilots will be sent in suicide missions and will accomplish nothing but the hastening of their state's demise.

I know, to have Zionist propaganda-memes applied to Zionists is a bit of a mindf*ck in the beginning; but once you overcome the shock, you will be much more alert and morally conscious.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 01:45 | 437851 Bringin It
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Thanks dude.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:29 | 436897 ozziindaus
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I suspect this will have a positive effect on Gold, Oil and especially USD for the aforementioned reasons, yeh?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:33 | 436904 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well, Afghanistan, Iraq and now Iran?  Seems to be that fearless leader is enamored of a "hat trick"; oh, let's not forget, air power always wins wars...

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:38 | 436922 Clayton Bigsby
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Chamba - it is time for you to go home, boy.  You have played out what little value you have to this forum.  Hate, in all of it's forms, is ugly.  But for one thing, I am grateful - you have given us all a fine demonstration of how not to be.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:06 | 436980 FrankIvy
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Clayton Bigsby wrote - "Chamba - it is time for you to go home, boy. You have played out what little value you have to this forum. Hate, in all of it's forms, is ugly. But for one thing, I am grateful - you have given us all a fine demonstration of how not to be."

Speak for yourself Clayton.  Don't for a second think you speak for the thousands of others who read these words.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:55 | 437099 russki standart
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Clayton, if you don´t like it, read something else.  I  do not agree with most of Chumbas comments but I like having my preconceptions challenged. What the hell are you good for other than trying to make yourself look good by trotting out the usual politically correct blather.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:31 | 437161 VK
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The whole point of Zero Hedge is that it is politically incorrect. You want nice, go to Barry Ritholtz or Calculated Risk. Otherwise contribute something or STFU and go away. 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:38 | 436923 Muir
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Det. Thorn: I know, Sol, you've told me a hundred times before. People were better, the world was better...
Sol: Ah, people were always lousy... But there was a world, once.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:44 | 436926 Muir
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Sol: There was a world, once, you punk.
Det. Thorn: Yes, so you keep telling me.
Sol: I was there. I can prove it.
Det. Thorn: I know, I know. When you were young, people were better.
Sol: Aw, nuts. People were always rotten. But the world 'was' beautiful.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:43 | 436935 Clayton Bigsby
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Chamba - it is time for you to go home, boy.  You have played out what little value you have to this forum.  Hate, in all of it's forms, is ugly.  But for one thing, I am grateful - you have given us all a fine demonstration of how not to be.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:24 | 437295 Max Hunter
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It's the Jews that hate.. Check out the book by Jack Bernstien.. An American Jew.. he'll tell you about all the hate.. the kind MSM won't give you..

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:52 | 436950 piceridu
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Can anyone challenge Israel's policies without being labeled antisemetic?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yOa7FrgUg&feature=related

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:55 | 436957 Ripped Chunk
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Not with the owned media set-up that pounds the eyes and ears of the "faithful" we have here in the US. No you can't even bring it up.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:09 | 437127 RichardENixon
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What media do you consume? The mainstream media in the U.S. appears to me to side with Arabs/Muslims more than Israel/Jews, at least over the last decade or so.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:56 | 437200 piceridu
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you're delusional...did you watch that video dude? Talking negatively about Israel policies or showing any images of abuse by Israeli authorities (police, military or orthodox nuts) is strictly prohibited in the US... I live in Europe and it's more balanced reporting here. We are allowed to view both sides and form an opinion. Israel is surely not under the microscope in the US...just the opposite.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:29 | 437296 Max Hunter
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Are you serious? I don't think your TV (talmud vision) is even on.. wow.. It scares the shit out of me that someone even thinks that.. The least you could do is have the balls to admit the bias in western news.. Either you are the dumbest person alive or simply disingenuous..

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:26 | 437388 DosZap
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Max,

Dead on Bro.......................

I have NEVER, not one time seen anything positive about Israel on MSM.

Never...............

Whatever it is, it's their fault, face it..........those who have a clue, KNOW who owns the media here.

Frigging Marxist/Commie shaghole.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 03:34 | 437930 piceridu
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Here you go, if you can read and you're not deaf:

http://www.examiner.com/x-51326-DC-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m6d7-The...

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:13 | 437366 Ripped Chunk
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Ok Dick.

 

Hey, I have some rental properties in Detroit that I would like to sell. Are you interested?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:00 | 436971 mike moll
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Dear Israel, with love.
Please don't.
Mose, didn't he make conditions - weren't you supposed to obey? You seem to have moved further and further away.
God held the hands of those who died tortured and emaciated. I have experienced such.
Germany will never be the same again.
The spirit descended upon Jesum as a dove.
Didn't the curtain tear in two?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:57 | 436951 piceridu
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Can anyone challenge Israel's policies without being labeled anti semitic?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0yOa7FrgUg&feature=related

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:03 | 437259 downwiththebanks
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No.  

Because Holocaust sentimentalism begins and ends with the JEWISH holocaust.

Just because it should, I guess.  Funny how that concern for victims absolutely DOES NOT EXTEND to victims of the Ma'afa or to the rape & theft of América (or Vietnamese, or Guatemalans, or . . . or, . . . or . . .).

I guess it helps Jews, from a marketing perspective, that 'their' holocaust (which began as an attack on the political left) helps those living on Uncle Sam's Plantation tend to their memory hole.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:57 | 436963 macktheknife
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Not that Chumbuwumba needs any defense - he seems to take care of himself pretty well; but, one of the main reasons I troll ZH is because it is NOT politcally correct.  There is a lot to be said for an honest exchange of angry views -  I actually prefer names like Nigger and Jewbeggar being used - in anger - better than glossing over anger with sterile phrases.   I saw Gran Torino a few weeks ago- and, wasn't it so wonderful hearing Clint call the little gook kid a "Zipperhead Slope Loser".     Bottomline, as we all know too well - all races and cultures are here today because they killed a lot of other people to be here.  Us Whites/Europeans are some pretty sick motherfuckers-  wiped out the Indians.  Blacks are also evil motherfuckers-  widespread violence and killing. Japs-  killers.  Jews, wanton killing of Palestinians.   We are all guilty as all Hell.  It is not even worth considering degrees of badness - or who started it.    We are very unlikely to ever have peace.   A good start would simply be each race and culture just admitting that there is whole lot of shit we did wrong - and will do wrong-  and stop this holier than thou crap.  You think you are "special", you ain't - mutual respect and mutual fear is probably as good as it gets.  Unfortunately, at this point, it is more just siding with the team you happen to be assigned to.   

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 15:59 | 436969 piceridu
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well said

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:18 | 437005 Muir
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Today... is Christmas! There will be a magic show at zero-nine-thirty! Chaplain Charlie will tell you about how the free world will conquer Communism with the aid of God and a few Marines! God has a hard-on for Marines because we kill everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep heaven packed with fresh souls! God was here before the Marine Corps! So you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps! Do you ladies understand?

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:04 | 437121 New_Meat
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Join the Marine Corps.  Join up with the best.  Travel to far off exotic lands, meet strange interesting people.  And kill them."

S/F

- Ned

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:21 | 437012 zaknick
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wow, broken moral compass lady

 

The only ones looking for and profiting from genocidal ways are the bankster elites not every day folks who just want a better world for our kids and our friends and loved ones i.e. the vast majority of people on this planet, lady.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:31 | 437042 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

We are indeed all sick motherfuckers.  I think we need professional help.

Cognitive Dissonance, we need you!

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 17:54 | 437198 RichardP
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"We are indeed all sick motherfuckers."

Original Sin?

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 18:00 | 437205 Quantum Noise
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Original Sin?

 

Not that original. ;)

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 20:30 | 437396 DosZap
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Richard,

Yes, Original Sin, whether anyone admits it or not...........it's been here since nearly day UNO, and it will be here on the LAST day..........it's inbred into humans.

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 16:51 | 439704 RichardP
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I find it interesting that a number of posters here state a variation on "We are indeed all sick motherfuckers." from time to time.  That, coming from folks who I assume are not Reformed, is intriguing.  Of course, Augustine wasn't from the Reformed faith and he said pretty much the same thing.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:42 | 437321 DosZap
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Mac,

People are not perfect, and yes, bogoted remarks, slurs, etc,.etc, are made here all the time....

But, most are Adults here, and PC has ruined the USA....whoever came up with that crap should be hung.

Beginning of the death of free speech.........just like Hate Crimes......( must be a Cracker) to be guilty of that....what horseshit.

Let men be men, someone pops off and offends you, let them know, slap the shit out of them, and wait for what they do to you.

Man up, Woman up................be REAL.

Could we do without that name calling, sure.............but it's not my job to police your rights to Free Speech............

Mon, 06/28/2010 - 05:23 | 437960 AnAnonymous
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How politically correct.

All guilty? That is the song the executioner, the victimizer wants to be sung by everyone. It dilutes her own responsibility.

Facts are facts. Ranking lets say the Amazonian jungle dweller, you know, the type who still has not a contact with the exterior world,  on par with the US citizen in terms of guilt is pure logical fallacy.

People cannot be condemned on wishes, wants, on wannabeism. They can only be condemned on types of actions and magnitude of actions.

Unfortunately for people like you, this logical thinking destroys the "we are all guilty" stance you want to sell.

As an addition, it is funny how som e people, especially US citizens, like to point out that in  terms of positive achievements,  people are not equal.

But suddenly, when it comes to negative achievements, wooo, it is all about equality.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:05 | 436978 linrom
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Too funny! On the same day that ZH posts a blog questioning MSM's credibility, it cites news articles written in countries that are located in some of the most controlled and closed countries. The article sounds just like something Wayne Madsen would write: Israeli pilots training in Turkey and clandestinely flying to Georgia. Maybe they are going to bomb Russia. LOL

Who owns this rag? Probably some Prince who made a deal with Madsen to write(make up) a few articles to keep the locals focused on the important thing like the Zionist entity instead of wondering why Dubai(UAE) is going to go broke and how all the oil riches were squandered on building 6-star hotels, Citi stock and artificial man-made islands.

Now, not all the money in Dubai was sqaundered though. Maktoums still own the best stables in the world(Darley Stables.)

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:27 | 436991 zaknick
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Wow, you're so lucid I'm blinded by your brilliance.

 

 

Moron.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:20 | 437011 Muir
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Calloway: Go home Martins, like a sensible chap. You don't know what you're mixing in, get the next plane.
Martins: As soon as I get to the bottom of this, I'll get the next plane.
Calloway: Death's at the bottom of everything, Martins. Leave death to the professionals.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:32 | 437044 JR
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Zero Hedge qualified its source.

Do you see anything wrong in the following statement made by Israel’s Haaretz Service 24.06.10 in the article Iran Activists Cancel Gaza Aid Flotilla ‘due to Israeli threats’: Separate Iranian ship heads to Gaza via Caspian Sea After Egypt Denies Israel Request to Prevent Vessels in Suez Canal?

"The Lebanese and Iranian efforts come after a tragic incident aboard a Turkish aid ship, part of an 8-ship Turkish flotilla, which was headed for Gaza on May 31. Israeli navy commandos, intent on preventing the ship from reaching Gaza's shore, boarded the ship, and were met by a violent mob wielding sticks and knives. The clash that ensued resulted in the deaths of nine Turkish activists."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/iran-activists-cancel-gaza-aid-flotilla-due-to-israeli-threats-1.298165

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:33 | 437051 10044
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Except that the central banks of "those countries" are not owned by the Rothchilds... Got that punk??

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:42 | 437071 the grateful un...
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well I don't know, but these articles always to come out on Sunday, (slow news day) but are quickly forgotten after the algos kick in monday morning.

i also note Dubai could have been a player, the failed Port Deal, under Bush 2, was a quid pro quo. Dubai would have provided military access to the south side of the Hormuz, including the vital straights. From there you can see downtown Tehran. Why Bush didn't pursue the issue on Iran when his critics were all in (McCain and Clinton) remains a question we can't answer. It seems Bush was a one war President, Obama already has two on the burner, and a third at the ready. Now are you glad you voted for change? 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:07 | 436984 zaknick
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Cant wait for Hormuz to be mined and closed to oil exports!

 

Fuck this world (dollar) system.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:21 | 437000 JR
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Who’s the terrorist? As Greenwald asks: [I]f you're someone who believes, or are at least willing to acquiesce to the claim, that the U.S. President has the power to target your fellow citizens for assassination without a whiff of due process, what unchecked presidential powers wouldn't you support or acquiesce to…?

HOW MANY AMERICANS ARE TARGETS FOR ASSASSINATION | Glenn Greenwald | June 25, 2010-06-27 EXCERPTS

When The Washington Post's Dana Priest first revealed (in passing) back in January that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens targeted for assassination, she wrote that "as of several months ago, the CIA list included three U.S. citizens."  In April, both the Post and the NYT confirmed that the administration had specifically authorized the assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki.  Today, The Washington Times' Eli Lake has an interview with Obama's top Terrorism adviser John Brennan in which Brennan strongly suggests that the number of U.S. citizens targeted for assassination could actually be "dozens":

Dozens of Americans have joined terrorist groups and are posing a threat to the United States and its interests abroad, the president's most senior adviser on counterterrorism and homeland security said Thursday. . . . "There are, in my mind, dozens of U.S. persons who are in different parts of the world, and they are very concerning to us," said John O. Brennan, deputy White House national security adviser for homeland security and counterterrorism. . . .

"If a person is a U.S. citizen, and he is on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq trying to attack our troops, he will face the full brunt of the U.S. military response," Mr. Brennan said. "If an American person or citizen is in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place, and they are trying to carry out attacks against U.S. interests, they also will face the full brunt of a U.S. response. And it can take many forms."

Nobody -- or at least not me -- disputes the right of the U.S. or any other country to kill someone on an actual battlefield during war without due process.  That's just obvious, but that's not remotely what Brennan is talking about, and it's not remotely what this assassination program is about.  Indeed, Brennan explicitly identified two indistinguishable groups of American citizens who "will face the full brunt of a U.S. response":  (1) those "on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq"; and (2) those "in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place."  In other words, the entire world is a "battlefield" -- countries where there is a war and countries where there isn't -- and the President's "battlefield" powers, which are unlimited, extend everywhere.  That theory -- the whole world is a battlefield, even the U.S. -- was the core premise that spawned 8 years of Bush/Cheney radicalism, and it has been adopted in full by the Obama administration (indeed, it was that "whole-world-is-a-battlefield" theory which Elena Kagan explicitly endorsed during her confirmation hearing for Solicitor General). ...

I would really like never to hear again the complaint that comparing Bush and Obama's Terrorism and civil liberties policies is unfair, invalid or hyperbolic given that Obama's top Terrorism adviser himself touts that comparison.  And that's anything but a surprise, given that Brennan was a Bush-era CIA official who defended many of the most controversial Bush/Cheney Terrorism policies. …

One other thing that is truly amazing:  the U.S. tried to import this same due-process-free policy to Afghanistan.  There, the U.S. last year compiled a "hit list" of 50 Afghan citizens whose assassination it authorized on the alleged ground (never charged or convicted) that they were drug "kingpins" or funding the Talbian.  You know what happened?  This:

A U.S. military hit list of about 50 suspected drug kingpins is drawing fierce opposition from Afghan officials, who say it could undermine their fragile justice system and trigger a backlash against foreign troops. . . .

Gen. Mohammad Daud Daud, Afghanistan's deputy interior minister for counternarcotics efforts . . . said he worried that foreign troops would now act on their own to kill suspected drug lords, based on secret evidence, instead of handing them over for trial . . . "They should respect our law, our constitution and our legal codes," Daud . "We have a commitment to arrest these people on our own" . . . .

The U.S. military and NATO officials have authorized their forces to kill or capture individuals on the list, which was drafted within the past year as part of NATO's new strategy to combat drug operations that finance the Taliban.. . . . "There is a constitutional problem here. A person is innocent unless proven guilty," [Ali Ahmad Jalali, a former Afghan interior minister] said. "If you go off to kill or capture them, how do you prove that they are really guilty in terms of legal process?"

In other words, Afghans -- the people we're occupying in order to teach about Freedom and Democracy -- are far more protective of due process and the rule of law for their own citizens than Americans are who meekly submit to Obama's identical policy of assassination for their fellow citizens.  It might make more sense for Afghanistan to invade and occupy the U.S. in order to spread the rule of law and constitutional values here. …

Read the full article:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/25/assassinati...

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 19:42 | 437211 Cathartes Aura
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thank you for taking the time to write and share such a well researched post JR, one of the (many) reasons I value this site.

 

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:20 | 437010 Hephasteus
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Look at all the shorts on gold. I think this is the month that the Dollar gets it's ass rejected as a medium of exchange.

Sun, 06/27/2010 - 16:23 | 437015 Catullus
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http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html

Once Alex moves more than 100 miles from the Yucatan, total heat content of the ocean increases substantially, and Alex will have the opportunity to intensify significantly. A longer time spent over water will give Alex more of a chance to strengthen, and it is possible Alex could intensify into a major hurricane if landfall is delayed until Thursday or Friday. However, Alex's intensification may be limited the farther north it gets, as water vapor satellite images show plenty of dry air over Texas that might interfere with development. Wind shear might also be an issue for Alex if it pushes far enough north, and a slow-moving storm tends to pull up cold water from the depths, limiting intensification. In short, Alex has the potential to intensify into a major hurricane, but there are plenty of roadblocks that make this only a 10% probability in my estimation.

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