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Video Of Boy Shot By Sniper As Libyan Violence Hits Critical Level
We were concerned that the video posted earlier of the slaughter of unarmed protesters in Bahrain would be too graphic. Alas, not even a few short hours later, we have received another video, this one far worse, of a Libyan boy shot in broad daylight by a sniper. Those who want to see the dire consequences of what the overflow of global discontent looks like, in no small part driven by Federal Reserve monetary policies which as the World Bank indicated have just made another 44 million people fall in the "extreme poverty" level, can do so here. It really is time to start keeping track of all the victims of Bernanke's monetary policies. At the rate things are going, within a few years Bernie Bernanke will have to defend himself (and his policies) before a tribunal.
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Of course that is true, but it is just land. It's people that are important. Israel would have a lot more friends if they embraced their enemies with kindness and empathy instead of hatred. Palestinians are dirt poor, and they just want to feed their families. I've worked with them before on drilling rigs in the Gulf. There is nothing crazy about them, and it does not need to be complicated.
It is completely obvious now that the US needs to quit propping up American dictators for the sake of "stability" in the Middle East. This is true in Egypt - as much as it is in Israel. I am happy to see the people rise up against American interests, and I am a little jealous. Egyptians are more free than Americans now. I am worried about the coming oil shock, and my own ability to commute to my job, but the US consumes 20 million barrels of oil per day - the same as the rest of the world combined!
Americans deserve everything we are about to get by allowing the Fed to remain in place for so long. I am prepared though, and perfectly fine with that: it is the natural order of things.
World demand is something on the order of 89mln bbl/day.
You may not like me, but it's a little ridiculous to junk the statement that world oil demand is on the order of 89 million bbl/day. It is. Just because the lunatic posting above believes it's less than half that, does not make it so: http://omrpublic.iea.org/
No, you were junked because you're a douchebag.
I am Chumbawamba.
fish-
dang, I just spit my seltzer across the whole desk, 1988 keyboard and all. Where do you come up with these lines? Seriously, you have a future in Hollywood.
- Ned
{sure am glad that you are prepared}
Haha...into some kind of new age religion or?
Israel does have nukes and the backing of the U.S. (military industiral complex), which most or all of the 400 million do not.
Not to mention the most powerful and tenacious public relations campaign in the history of the world.
Palestinians too face an existential threat.
Debka is Israeli propoganda.
And I'm actually prettyl liberal - thanks oygevalt!
Ooh, you're back! I was hoping my favorite idiot hadn't taken his toys and gone home! What should we cover next?
Taking a screen capture - first time a troll has engaged me seriously!
I love it - anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Thanks, Rob Roy-ette.
Not at all. I'm actually a socialist, leftist, some government is good type of person - most people on this site disagree with me on most of my positions. But I like history, economics and the markets. And have found some common ground with some Zh'ers.
Start again?
I'd love to hear your definition of troll then. If you can put down the Scottish Nationalist flag long enough to type it out, of course.
These days, a troll is anyone with a pro-Israel opinion.
Thank you.
I am Chumbawamba.
Debka is news org run by Israel. Not sure where you get the idea that ZH= Debka - links please
You can't be serious. Just go to debka.com and see the variety of articles that are echoed right here on ZH. You're doing an admirable job of proving you have an agenda. Enjoy wearing your kilt.
Oy vey!
The chutzpah of some of these goy cattle can really get under your foreskin.
The ones who parrot rather than think - I don't understand why they're any better than the "sheeple" they love to revile. You're being played, too.
You're the one who is trying to promote a known Mossad-controlled media outlet as legitimate.
I'm just calling bullshit.
Hooked on Phonics may be the first step to reading comprehension for you. What I said: most of Debka is BS. Also what I said: rumor has it that it's Mossad (that as in, not fact). Last thing I said: ZH's articles are often on precisely the same topics, with precisely the same slants, as Debka's. If you would like to call bullshit go right ahead, but please actually read the comment first. You may hate dealing with the illuminati; I hate dealing with the illiterati.
Is that the best you got?
You = zionist troll
Sigh. When you figure out how to read, and not just copy and paste garbage from stormfront or wherever it is you usually hang out, I'll be happy to chat.
Really? That's your retort? An ad hominem non sequitur?
Tell me, do you expect to be taken seriously here?
I am Chumbawamba.
I suggest you look up the meanings of "ad hominem" and "non sequitur," then go back and read the thread. Using big, foreign words doesn't make you sound smart if you obviously have no idea what they mean.
Since you had to look them up just to understand what I was trying to tell you, go back and read your ad hominem non sequitur.
I am Chumbawamba.
He thinks he is smart - omg - this could be entertaining.
I know I'm smart. I have my doubts about you.
He bit! Wish I had photo posting abilities - me with a 24 inch bass!
This one didn't get away.
I'm sorry to see you're posting along with a bunch of people who are egregiously anti-Semitic. I've always liked your posts and thought them well-considered.
that is narrow minded... the only way to educate is to engage... there is no other way.
want chage?
work at it then.
Gods choosen people can be so touchy some times...
I should start copying/and pasting this... family is ethnic melting pot, mostly atheistic, into Christmas as a secular holiday. It's a convenient narrative to say "crazy Jew getting all upset about a couple camp jokes." The reality is - this is irrational, it is hate, and it is based on ridiculousness. I love ZH, but I've had enought of the part of the gene pool that needs chlorine taking it over. So for one thread, I'm lobbing their garbage right back at them, and hoping some pause is taken.
If Palestine were a pool and God poured chlorine into it, the Palestinians would thrive as the zionists are rendered into detritus that the filter will eventually catch.
I am Chumbawamba.
+ love it!
That is one energetic article! I like the quote:
"With the U.S. military bogged down in wars abroad, an American revolution would have the best chance of success."
Fish, in which direction would that revolution go?
- Ned
Just a quick poll now, who has the guns, liberals or americans?
Really?
I bought my house in 1997, before people even had a concept of flipping houses (at least the 2000s version of the scam). I'm not in foreclosure and never was. I stopped paying my mortgage because the banks destroyed the global economy and made it nearly impossible for me to earn enough to pay my monthly mortgage bill, and my bank would not negotiate in good faith to refinance. I defaulted on all my credit cards for the same. Before that I had stellar credit, and was appropriately captured to think that maintaining such was paramount. Once I realized I'd been part of a global ponzi scam, I decided I wanted out. And there are only two exits: through a hail of bullets in the vicinity of a politician, or by getting intelligent and fighting these niggers with their own tactics. I chose the latter.
I'm still in my house. An IRS lady came to visit the other day to find out why I haven't been responding to their requests that I hand over my hard earned labor so they can give it to Israel to kill Arabs. I'm supposed to call her Tuesday. Been in Federal court twice fighting off IRS attempts to audit me. It's been over a year since the first letter arrived. I still haven't produced a single receipt. I go to court this Friday to do battle with the first credit card company that was stupid enough to sue me. They'll never see a zinc cent.
On everything I set out to do based upon principle and integrity, I am succeeding. It's not over by a long-shot, but in the meantime I was able to convert the labor that didn't get stolen by the banks and the government into gold and silver.
Anyone who actually followed me through the months and now years knows this. I don't prevaricate and I don't talk shit. I'm a doer, not a oygevalt.
Hero? I don't know. I never aspired to be such. I'm just a guy, trying to preserve his dignity in a world filled with...well, people like you. Captured minds, degraded by the effects of high fructose corn syrup and war porn, polluted by strange theories on economics and an even stranger recounting of history. You live in a world that is referenced by abominations that you don't have the courage let alone the awareness to challenge, and that you swallow whole even though the jagged edges slice your throat as you force it down.
You're a sheep; shorn, branded, and past your age of profitable exploitation, now in line to be slaughtered. And yet you think you're even minimally qualified to take me on?
You sad little clown. Go find a circus to inhabit with your depressing antics. Zero Hedge is preferably for serious discussion.
I am Chumbawamba.
It's sad that you don't understand how to navigate OR effectively fight the system. It's scary that you resort to ethnic and racial slurs to express your frustrations. Again, you prove my point. You're a nut with an audience. Call me any name you want, the truth of who you are stands. Go lick your wounds and figure out the next spin for your failures. Ta-ta.
You forgot to mention that your work is done here.
Oh, I thought I'd be polite and acknowledge that you tried to write out a coherent response. You don't get that either, do you. Being junked and failed by the likes of you is an honor... proves I'm on the right track.
You are ahead of your time Chumbawamba. Many are following, many, many more to follow...
I think you're right. I gave too much credit to my fellow Americans.
Let's see what 2011 has to offer.
I hope all is well and prosperous on the farm.
I am Chumbawamba.
The government has become a great burden on our shoulders. The farm is going great. We are currently selling forest fed hogs, which is our most popular product. We raise 2 to 3 hogs per forested acre. Our pastured chickens and eggs are sellouts, although much more physical work is involved with the chickens than the hogs.( We have to collect the eggs ourselves and butcher the chickens ourselves. The hogs, by law, have to go to a cerified us da (read "US da") butcher, where they are butchered and packaged).
Man, what a drag. Can't you just sell to locals who come by and pay in cash? Or does it HAVE to be through a US sponsored butcher or else the Food Police pay you a visit?
Big time food police presence. They would shut us down in an instant and confiscate all our inventory. A 600 lb hog costs $400 to process.
It's still a free country. You and love or hate anyone you want.
Clearly your IQ is not high enough to diffrentiate the diffrence between the Japanese Yen and a World Reserved Currency!!
I guess not. When I was trading in the 1990s people were flipping out because the Yen was in free fall (hit 147 to the US Dollar).
Now the US Dollar is tanking and it only buys 82 Yen.
The Bernanke is using Zero interest rates in the US just like the Chinese and the Eurozone and Japan--to lower the currnecy and stimulate exports (and create jobs).
You may have noticed over the past couple of decades the US has lost millions of middle-class stabilizing manufacturing jobs.
Wouldn't it be nice to get some back? We'll have to absorb higher import prices (inflation) and a lower standard of living for a while (like the 70s), but the cycle will turn after a point.
So somehow the debt will go away, or we'll inflate it into nothing? All that savings Americans have will see them through the tough times and the US Government will be able to sell Treasuries to infinity without interest rates going to the moon...but even if they do, clearly the "recovery" will continue. The unemployed, prisoners, the sick, the aging, and those who can't get the high level jobs at Starbucks or Borders(I mean Barnes and Noble) will all be fine and won't impede the system at all...the system that is about to hit the debt ceiling.
We live in a world where people are increasingly moving businesses online and there is a severe lack of insight into exactly how destructive this will be businesses and the masses. If you run a shop that sells shoes, how will you compete with Zappos?
You think we'll get back our manufacturing jobs? You're kidding right? We sent those jobs to Mexico...but it was somehow too fucking expensive there, so they had to go Asia...unless Americans are prepared to earn $2/day I don't see many of those jobs coming back...and if they do, they'll require far less employees, all of whom will be monitoring a robotic line that displaces hundreds of people that it took to assemble the same item just 10 or 15 years ago.
Excellent points. But the Bernanke does NOT create the debt! The debt is a result of spending by the President and the Congress. If the politicians didn't create 1500 billion in debt each year, the Bernanke wouldn't have to choose between letting nature take its course, with insterest rates soaring in the double digits, and the dollar collapsing, or, monetizing the debt. The Bernanke is monetizing the debt because their is so much debt being generated by the politicians that our currency would collapse and we'd be without food or fuel if he didn't.
Basically, the Bernanke wouldn't have to monetize all this debt if the politicos were'nt generating it. The Republicans tried to cut 68 billion from the budget today, and it finally passed in the House. No chance in the Senate and the President promised to veto it.
So the Bernanke has two choices: monetize the debt generated by the wreckless spending in the Congress/President, or, do nothing, and the dollar collapses. Shit, I'm scaring myself!
I guess the golden question is; How long can Bernanke monetize?
Throw in interest expense and you have discovered a way to save the dollar through 'bizzaro' math.
Or to delay reality with real math.
I thought every Federal Reserve Note represented debt (an IOU), and not money (credit). Am I mistaken?
I find it hilarious that the guy who sent me to "The Secret of Oz" as the answer to why Jewish cabals control the world, sent me to a video that is singing the praises of the greenback as debt-free money with the word "NOTE" on front. An hour and change of my life I'll never get back, but it does again confirm that you parrot, parrot, parrot... not so much attention to detail.
Are you suggesting that Bernanke's hands are clean on this? Do you think that US monetary policy has no global consequence? Are you ignoring the basic laws of economics?
We are in our third year of ZIRP. Don't even try to suggest that this is not inflationary. QE will exceed $2 trillion. You can't possibly believe that this much monetary intervention will not push up the price of everything. This result is precisely what the Chairman has said that he wanted. He has said it a dozen times.
Bernanke is not responsible for all the problems. He is responsible for some of them. That no one can deny. The monetary policy intended to enrich 10% of the US population is contributing to the run up in food for 7 billion. This will end badly. The numbers say so.
The Bernanke has stated "some inflation" is his goal.
Here are your choices: falling asset prices, declining employment, and declining production, whereby people don't have jobs and can't afford food much less a house or a car. But, Bernanke stands vigilant against inflation and against the idiots in Washington spending over 1 trillion dollars we don't have. To do this, the Bernanke has to let interest rates rise to about 10% to attract enough money to avoid failed Treasury auctions. Once the auctions do fail, there's a run on the dollar, food and fuel run out, and people riot and starve to death.
The Bernanke chose path "B." Flood the banks with money to keep them open and restore confidence in the system, and monetize the debt. The psychos in Washington have to do their part to stop spending. The natural result of path "B" is inflation of all asset types and kicking the can down the road.
Now, if the idiots in Washington would decrease the deficit to Bush level amounts of about 400 billion per year, instead of the current 1500 billion per year, the Fed could easily increase interest rates and shut off the QE monetization spigot.
If you can take your mind off the Bernanke, just for a moment, you will see he's boxed in, and it's the Congress and the President that have to decrease spending such that the Fed can apply the brakes. If the Fed applies the brakes now we go into path "A"--bank failure, deflation, starvation.
Ok, junk me.
Ok!
and the alternative is .... ?
Limited government. Slash the federal workforce by a third, now. Have'm draw staws this week. Buh bye. For the rest, open season for at will firing.
karma,
The Unicorn has been let out of the Barn and it won't come back for it's pail of skittles.
WTF? Oh, nevermind, I get it! LOL!!!
I agree that BB is boxed in. No doubt. He only has one real play here (inflation at all costs). But, along with it is all sorts of smoke, mirrors, parlor tricks (like statistics), spin, etc.
The rest gets "junk" status because you know that the second the government stops spending in any meaningful way, it is game over. The second that interest rates rise, it is game over. The second that BB stops printing, it is game over. It is fiat jig that is up - not a need for some sort of "adjustment." It is the inevitable consequence of a debt-backed money system.
The play here is that financial crisis is turned into a sovereign crisis (done) and then into a political crisis (ongoing) which will played as a public crisis (coming soon) and ultimately wind up a currency crisis. The politicians are the stooges who will bear the burden of public outrage and anger.
Oh, and path "A" is unavoidable. Path "B" is the "extra-special" route which takes us up high on the mountain where the exit to get back on route "A" is straight drop down off a cliff. So strap-in. It's going to get bumpy. Inflation will be seen in the fiat - deflation will be seen in the population.
John Lennon advocating for the bush administration! Oh the horror!
+2 trillion and counting
anti zionism for sure....if there are any jews involved well, too bad. I m getting sick and tired about this antisemitism propaganda to serve the interests of zinionism...now do you wanna go to Gaza on your next vacation ? we can discuss it again on the poor little arabs there !!! These comments are sickening. what kinda of paper do you read, wake up and smell the coffee, stop being so naive. Gosh !
To you its Zionism (the right of Jews to have their own country). To a Jew it's a 2000 year old dream and a promise from G-d to return to Israel and be safe from 2000 years of villification, exclusion, and genocide.
Life sucks and most promises are broken!
Edit: Won't even bring up my Highland ancestors that were forced to leave the country and give up their natural language.
Mine came from an area labeled "Judenfrei" by the Nazis. Most were exterminated.
That sucks - whatever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances
I'm not sure what you're even saying. Is it that Scottish people who were ejected hundreds of years ago and have since found plenty of places in the world without random groups of people trying to slaughter them deserve to go slaughter the English? Yeah, the clearances suck. Everybody's family tree has something of the like. The difference is: Jews continue to be persecuted, blamed, and vilified in the here and no. The most you have to put up with is Mike Myers screaming "if it's not Scottish, it's crap!"
What? ? "Jews continue to be persecuted ..." Good night
If you're walking off after that, it's either a) because you realize what an idiot you are for trying to equate being a Scot in the West to being a Jew in the Mideast; or b) you're just an idiot. Either way, game, set, match, thank you for playing.
argumentum ad hominem
He's comparing Scots to Jews. If that's what you're talking about, yep, ad hominem. If not, he's a coward who knows he's got no rational point, and you're agreeing, so...
I'm walking away because you are BORING. Forget about being a Scot, a Jew or a Palestinian. Being a women trumps all - game, set, match.
Does "being a women" mean that you're a "women," or I'm a "women?" This is starting to get to theater-of-the-absurd territory.
Yes - grammatical error - should be "woman" not "women".
I want to make sure I have this straight. Women are better than Scots, who are better than Jews?
See, here's my problem oygevalt. You are blithely overlooking the fact that there is a very specific region of the world with virulent and potentially violent anti-jew sentiment. That particular region has a particularly strong reason (if nothing else, bodycount ratios) for such sentiment. Everywhere else is PRETTY fucking safe, or at least no more dangerous than for goy, Buddhist, Hindu or atheist. Your fundamental inability to recognize this renders all your other comments a bit spurious. And suspicious. You could very well just be in your insular bubble and the opinions presented are honestly yours. But MAN, are your views one sided. Good luck on ZH.
I try to point out that it shouldn't have to take deaths to recognize threats elsewhere. How many churches are vandalized by Jews, vs. synagogues vandalized by Christians, anywhere on the planet? How many Jews are beaten in France, for being Jewish, as opposed to Christian? I realize I may sound a bit johnny-one-note here, but when you've got nutballs talking about turning the burners back on, or irradiating Israel - don't you see that the problem of hating Jews has gone way beyond the Mideast?
That is my point exactly. It always has to be about JEWS, does it? There are no other persecuted groups in global society? Rwanda had very few Jews, as I recall. Bosnia also. I would think Afghanistan probably doesn't have many either. ~ Ethnic cleansing never happened in China, or Turkey, or Russia either... ~ Tribal violence, xenophobia, fear of and aggression toward 'the other', whatever that other may be seems to be a rather universal human trait. For every Jewish person killed for being Jewish, I would venture a conservative estimate of 100 others killed for being whatever nationality/ethnic or cultural background/religion they happened to be born into.
I admire, or at least respect, the exceptional resilience and effectiveness of the Jewish culture and people in terms of its ability to survive and prosper despite admitted adversity. I just wonder about the constant need for theatrical victimhood on the part of some (many) of its members.
As soon as posters on ZH start railing on Tutsis, or Armenians, or any other ethnic/religious group that has suffered, I'll be right there in their faces then, too. I have not seen anyone single out any group on this site other than Jews. Would you call Armenians trying to get the U.S. to recognize the genocide for close to 100 years "theatrical victimhood?" No? Then why do you think asking people to remember, so that maybe it won't happen again to anybody, is wrong? The Protocols of the Elders of Zion still circulate around the world, having been widely discredited. Blood libel is talked about. People think Jews run the world economy, as far as I can tell, for their own personal amusement. It's ridiculous, and deserves to be called out as such.
The Armenian slaughter of at least 1M people in the early part of this century should be discussed. Why aren't we talking about this?
Man, fuck off, you self-serving bag of douche.
The reason Jews are singled out is because most people are ignorant pricks who don't look beyond their own immediate prejudices to see nuance. In this case, they don't realize that the underlying cause of all the problems in the Middle East is not Jews, per se, but zionists.
THERE'S A FUCKING DIFFERENCE, AND I EXPECT YOUR EASTER AND CHRISTMAS CELEBRATING LATENT JEW ATHEIST ASS TO UNDERSTAND.
You discredit yourself and every Jew by maintaining with a blank face that it's all just hate for the sake of hate, and has nothing to do with the following facts:
1. Palestine was since time immemorial and still is an Arab majority area. European Jews were sent to inhabit Palestine so that the West could maintain power and control over the region for econommic and political exploitation. The problem was not that they were Jews, but that they were Europeans with a decidedly racists attitude towards their indigenous guests, and set about exploiting their newfound ethnic superiority by unleashing a holocaust of their own against them.
2. Israel claims a right to self-defense but denies that same right to the Palestinians who, through no fault of their own, are fighting for their self-determination and in fact their very survival against a virulent cancer that has metastesized and gone global. Israel can indiscriminately kill women, children, old men in wheelchairs, and just about anyone else, but God forbid a Palestinian teenager throw a rock, which is somehow interpretred as the beginning of Holocaust II.
3. Israel has held the entire world hostage with their doctrine of nuclear ambiguity and the Samspon Option ("If we can't have it, no goy can have it either!") Iran tries to do the same and for some reason they get sanctions and threats of nuclear annihilation from, you guessed it, the states that already have nukes. This hypocrisy does not go unnoticed indefinitely. You're only whining now because the world has figured out your game. Your lies have become unsustainable, and the house of cards that is Israel is about to fold.
...
I could go on, but honestly, you're a fucking tragic little drama queen and I've gone through this before. In the past, I would have continued writing for another three pages, but I don't need to anymore. The lie of Israel is exposed, and the end is here. All my collective diatribes, in conjunction with the collective diatribes of thousands of others like me, have finally awoken the ignorant masses, and the Israeli ponzi scheme is collapsing.
I'm going to continue enjoying my morning tea and then go hang out with my family. The rain clouds have broke and the sun is now shining. My future is bright. Sucks being you and yours.
I am Chumbawamba.
Also, just curious - did you see the whole (solicited) viewpoint above that I wrote re Palestinians and Israelis? I find it hard to understand how thinking, as I do, that Palestinians are just as good, and have as much right, to live in Israel is unacceptable... unless you think all Jews should be shown the door. FWIW, our family is a total ethnic melting pot, mostly atheistic, and we're into Santa and the Easter Bunny. I just call blind hate as I see it, and on this site, it's directed overwhelmingly at Jews.
Well, we agree on a decidedly negative stance toward blind, unreasonable and uninformed hate towards a group based solely on ethnic/religious identification. Read those words carefully. I have no issues with Jews per se. Just like I have no issues with Tutsis. Or Hutus. Or Muslims, be they Arab or Indonesian. In the abstract, belonging to ANY and all of those groups would be just fine. It's the personal actions of specific individuals that can be viewed/judged on a moral basis, no?
I don't understand what you're saying here. I believe in and fully support human freedom to live in whatever place is chosen. Insofar as such endeavor does not infringe upon the same freedom (right) of others to do the same.
I'm saying that folks are piling on, seemingly in the belief that since I support the idea of Jews not being blown off the map in a nuclear holocaust (see Chumbawumba's rantings from last night, which was what started this whole thing), I must therefore support obliterating Palestinians. I'm saying that among many (not all) people I've engaged with on this topic, there's a willful avoidance of anything that doesn't fit their "Jews = Zionist = world-ender" scenario. Yes there are bad Jews, bad everybody. Don't you find it bizarre though the sheer number of people who post here glibly talking about wiping a country off the map? I decided I'd had enough of not saying anything about it.
Well, here's the thing. There are many, many countries that have ALREADY been wiped off the map. Quite a few not so long ago. Certainly many after WWII. Entire nations exterminated/dispersed/militarily occupied/forcibly assimilated. Why? Well, because they did not have the resources and organization, material and political (though I suppose it all boils down to material, in the end) to prevent such a fate. Their plight (historical or current) seems never to be a drum banged quite so loudly, unceasingly and ubiquitously. Why is that? Again, lack of material resources. So good on the Jews that they are doing quite well for themselves in the world as of 2011. Perhaps the badge of victimhood is an aspect necessary to said success. Like I said earlier, I am cognizant of the results achieved and the skill displayed.
I just remember that quite a few murderous, autocratic, fascist regimes started out with 'victimhood' being a central pillar of their philosophy and call to action. I also happen to think that propaganda, malicious falsehoods and indoctrination via covert means are BAD things for human society in the medium to long run, even if they may seem to smooth out the rough edges in the short term.
I am against destroying ANYONE, much less an entire nation. Destruction of countries/peoples is something which is yet to be proven to me to benefit humanity. BUT I simply don't see the "sheer number" of people attacking Jews here. You seem to be affected by a bias for noticing/being affected by the minority of extreme views. And of course, by attacking them, may draw them like moths to a flame. Bear in mind the hundreds of thousands of unique visitors to the site daily -- even if you 'talked' to several dozen, it still amounts to rounding error in terms of sizing up the ZH population.
Or perhaps I am affected by a bias for being annoyed by those who seem constantly whine about a persecution when their overall global position is much, much, much better than that of most. I daresay, on a per capita basis, they may even be in the top spot. Other global diasporae of similar sizes certainly can't hold a candle to theirs.
And when such complainers attack other forum members who have made no attack or grievious statement other than to voice a similar annoyance -- with a total lack of class, tact or appreciable (to me) humor -- I foolishly engage.
Standing up to Chumba -- kudos to you, for balls at the very least. I'll try to find that thread. Sniping, whining, insulting and smearing anyone who doesn't fawn over your comments (above, in this thread) -- not cool at all.
on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 18:05
#978184
Mine came from an area labeled "Judenfrei" by the Nazis. Most were exterminated.
by Arkadabaon Sat, 02/19/2011 - 18:26
#978220
That sucks - whatever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances
If you think "that sucks - whatever" is an appropriate response to one's family being exterminated, and that calling that out is tantamount to "smearing," we don't have anything else to talk about.
Another charmer, from this post, tonight. One doesn't have to look hard, let alone try, to find this shit. Admit it's there and it's there for a reason, and that reason is that it's considered funny to harm a group of people.
by treasurefishon Sat, 02/19/2011 - 20:12
#978410
I'm sick and tired of the whole "anti-semitism" and "zionist" crapola too! Nobody gives a rats ass about jews! Just quit fucking whining already, or we are going to start the burners back up. Is that why Hitler killed so many? He couldn't stand the incessant whining? Screw your 2000 year old dream as god's chosen people, and screw god too. Nobody fricken cares! Just shut your pie hole!
You have proven your point - you are disturbed by this. OK. We get it.
You have also proven mine, I think. Stop for a minute to consider the other 6.76B non-Jewish lives whose fate are deeply being affected, and the hundreds of millions whose lives are being VERY directly and brutally altered. Right now. See above, in the OP.
And try to also notice the other 300+ comments in the post that have nothing to do with you, or your (genetic or adopted) people/culture. Not to mention the (tens? hundreds? of) thousands of other comment posts on ZH.
Thanks for what I thought was a reciprocal exchange - got your name (not your number) and I'm guessing lots of others do to. Any good will I'm guessing is gone now.
You're the one who posted "that sucks - whatever." Own it. You are the one who belittled murders. Own it. It's all on a public thread. What "good will" exactly were you speaking of?
Ah, so murders and forced exodus only count when it's Chosen blood spilled. And when it is, it can (and should, nay must) be worn as a badge of honor, pride and exceptionalism three generations hence - in every context, whether relevant or not. Or two hundred generations hence. I kind of got the drift before, thanks for clarifying.
Not to belabor a point, but there is WAY more than just one way to be closed/little/feeble-minded. Tend to the beam in thine own eye, fellow unique snowflake.
Nice try to put words in my mouth, but no, I said no such thing, and you know it. I said, and the thread backs me up, that she belittled another poster's talking about his family being exterminated. Look at your "generations hence" mocking remark: try directing it at Arkadaba, and her nutty equivalence between Jews with living memory of the Holocaust, and Scottish expulsion hundreds of years ago. Is it so very difficult to understand that calling out people on hating one group IN NO WAY minimizes the suffering of other groups? Talk about whining - if you're going to post these things, man up (or woman up) and take the heat when it finds you, instead of trying to redirect to things that are utterly unrelated.
You know what, I think it's time to leave you in your undisturbed aura of moral and intellectual superiority.
There is absolutely NO other way to read these conversations than in the manner in which you interpret them. One Holocaust is WAY more important, resonant, meaningful and tragic than mankind's history of holocausts from the Neanderthals onwards. I and every non-Jew should also feel personal, national, cultural and direct culpability for said event.
I too have family who were shipped off to various European resort destinations in the early/mid '40s with German or proxy/henchman attendants on let's say sub-coach-comfort trains. Or were simply shot unceremoniously into a handy ditch/stream/river on the way. At least the ones shipped eastward to gulags returned to tell the tale and sire my immediate progenitors. I guess I am just deficient because I don't consider this to be a good omen, a reason for entitlement or justification for ANYTHING going on in the Mid-East (or the world, for that matter) today. The forces and powers that allowed/caused said events ARE STILL IN CHARGE. It WILL happen again, on a larger scale, if the current trajectory is upheld.
Bleating about God-given, millennia-old rights, persecution and moral prerogative while sitting in the focal point of a tremendous powderkeg, on top of billions of Bernanke-bucks, US-made or financed propulsive and mushroom-generating hardware & electronics, in the middle of the region that currently supplies a very strong plurality of the world's energy -- while that region is AT THE MOMENT going up in flames in no small part to Bernanke-bucks and the attendant decades-long policies... not my idea of staying true to the motto 'Never again'. Either in a self-serving (never again to Jews) or global (never again to anyone, anywhere) sense.
Again, I said no such thing, but I sure find it intersting that as soon as you, or Arkadaba, or anyone else is challenged, you're back with "my family was deported! " etc. It's sad that you simply cannot look at the world except through your own experience.
Mr. KettlePot, you really should get some help with the reading comprehension problem you seem to have. By the way, if this is your idea of a 'challenge', I am curious to seewhat it looks like when you TRULY set out to be a vacuous annoying twerp.
CD, I'm sorry you had to waste such brilliant writing on such an undeserving imp.
If it's any consolation, I enjoyed it.
I am Chumbawamba.
Having the chance to write the type of posts I myself enjoy reading is reward in itself. Cheers.
Why does that bother you so much? I don't belittle murders at all and don't encourage violence. You, however, were being provocative. Yes I will own it - does that work for you?
It works, if you can explain how "that sucks - whatever" is not, in fact, belittling murders, given the context.
Here's an alternative interpretation:
The original conversation started with right to land. Specifically, Jews' RIGHT to a country, in a very SPECIFIC location, that regrettably involves forcible eviction of existing tenants who apparently have no equivalent godly covenant (at least acceptable to Jews). The answer from Arka was 'the strong take from the weak, life is not fair, see historical example from my vaguely defined ancestry'.
To which came the non-sequitur, unrelated, irrelevant (from the standpoint of the conversation) -- 'my family was exterminated by the Nazis'.
Response: 'I'm sorry to hear that. Not sure why you brought THAT up -- but in case you want to know, here's what I meant [link to Highlands].'
See, it IS possible to look at things from a less adversarial and reproachful outlook. Arrogant and self-important as IK sometimes sounds, he (she?) is positively down-to-earth and humble compared to you. Also, IK would be more than capable of addressing the slight you claim to have suffered on his behalf. Punch out your thought-crime time-card already.
Brilliant - thanks!
You are being a little insane. What most people have an issue with is the amount of military and financial suppot being given to Israel when cities and states are going broke in America.
Second, for some, yes I have issues with the Israeli government policies in the middle east and third issues with UN manipulation. Recently unemployed and "I decided I'd had enough of not saying anything about it".
Edit: And may limit my job prospects.
Functions of troll:
misdirect
divide
annoy
confuse
create uncertainty & doubt
drain energy by soliciting engagement unsought and unwelcome by current participants
I'm the bigger fool.
Thanks for sticking up for me. he really is a ****. Not sure why I stuck with it tonight, but felt had to.
I think I can answer that. People on the defensive, who know they've gone over the line, usually don't walk. My work here is done, on this subject.
I have a simple suggestion. Your work was done a long time ago. And you know no lines. Congrats. You want a banner or a pin?
jews are persecuted...WHERE??
Jews have never had it better than in the here and now, anywhere, anytime. The notion that they are still persecuted by anybody is utter, self-serving, paranoid horseshit
It's not "your country" until you learn how to protect it without help from your bodyguard, bitch.
(and why did G-d use MERS for the title, anyway?)
(and why did God use MERS for the title, anyway?)
I have to admit, that was a little funny
I'm sick and tired of the whole "anti-semitism" and "zionist" crapola too! Nobody gives a rats ass about jews! Just quit fucking whining already, or we are going to start the burners back up. Is that why Hitler killed so many? He couldn't stand the incessant whining? Screw your 2000 year old dream as god's chosen people, and screw god too. Nobody fricken cares! Just shut your pie hole!
I think we've found someone willing to stand up as the definition of audience + anonymity = asshole. What went wrong in your life today that you need to blame someone for?
Personally, I thought it was hilarious, and you can interpret that any damn old way that you want, cow.
Moo.
I am Chumbawamba.
I'm still waiting for Gog and Magog to make their appearances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXRjtJjv3qrAnl-zO35w0Y92RipY1z-...
promise from god? I didn't get the memo.
I do agree we must stand back and try and see the bigger picture, as to what exactly is the ultimate goal of the bankers and or Government . As for the path they are takeing now I see no good ending for them. Any ideas?
would be like junking the truth which of course you speak. clearly the-- "controversy" shall we call it-- will not be about useless drivel vis a vis one's religion but as it has throughout the 20th century and now into the 21st "the existence of states." That state will be Israel though it we could call it Wisconsin as well save for the fact that the former "is the ultimate flashpoint." I leave to the others on this site to "war game" this reality and its consequences. It does seem monumental now does it not whereas "but a few weeks ago it mattered not a wit."
These are the unforseen consequences of immoral and unethical decisions made by banks and corporations and politicians to get what they wanted in the moment.
Instant Karma -
Too much thinking.
Not enough empathy.
Wow, they really did junk you; for a perfectly reasonable post. Well, that's enough of the national Onion for one day; I didn't really need a reminder that "normally intelligent" means amazing they can remember how to breathe. Going to read some history now. I think we should both just leave these morons and their internet babble to get on with it.
Both videos linked in this article are...actually i'm not sure. I admit that i have seen a countless number of 'deaths' in games and movies over the (25) years iv'e been around it but it seems that the greatest amount of violence is done when people just want to be free. I wish everyone who takes part in these rebellions the best of luck and the protection of their favoured God. I hope that when scenes like this are broadcast from the UK I'm brave enough to takeoart as they did.
dang, Ms, you are my heroine--You have achieved Nirvanna: you have been junked for a post that has 'nothing' as content.
Tells me that we need to ID the qwms who a) junk while b) hide in the shadows.
- Ned
Does seem not unlikely that all that will be between the mob and Qaddafi are a couple of Ukrainian nurses, now that this has gone out.
I appreciate the coverage of the turmoil here but blaming protester (or food cart vendors) casualties on the Fed is more than just a stretch. The problems in these countries stem from a myriad of causes well beyond the scope of zero-cost USD funding. You can blame globalism, the world's endless thirst for fossil fuels, corrupt leadership in the Middle Eastern countries as well as predatory foreign governments way before you start pointing fingers at the Federal Reserve.
And the food inflation (which has sparked some of these protests) we are seeing globally is more of a function of supply disruption than speculation fueled by easy money. The Fed's policies may ulitimately result in the sort of inflation that leads to social unrest. Hoever we need real wages to rise before that happens.
Thank you. It is nice to know that Zimbabwe's 80% unemployment was able to stop their inflation in it's tracks, so it didn't happen. /end SARC
Not everyone gets a ticket on the rocketship of inflation.
Are you really arguing that Federal Reserve policies, and not the floods and droughts we've seen globally over the past few months, are the cause of the current spate of food inflation?
To be clear, I don't agree with what the Fed/ECB/US Govt/EU has done in response to the collapse of the global leverage bubble. And I too fear that it could lead to some catastrophic consequences. However it seems intellectually dishonest to primarly blame the Fed for unrest in countries with some of the most severe wealth/resource imbalances on the planet. We might as well blame the volatile global weather itself on the Bernank.
There are lots of culprits for this mess including those of us in the West who consume goods that are transported from places around the globe and drive our well-fed families to and fro in the comfort of our gas-guzzling cars. If the Fed has a hand in this mess, its just one of many...
Agree. There's lots going on the world and obsessing on loose monetary policy by one country (the US) and interpreting everything bad in the world through that single lens is.....simplistic and wrong.
But I agree Ben in engineering global inflation and US Dollar devaluation as a policy response to financial collapse.
I disagree that this was done to enrich his friends like Jamie Diamond at JP Morgue. I'm sure Jamie has almost as much money as Oprah, and doesn't need anymore. I think the point of the policy was to prevent banks from collapsing. Bank collapse leads to no money leads to starvation.
But had we gone that route, you'd be blaming the Bernanke for not doing anything while people were starving and why didn't he save the banks?
The guy can't win.
"I'm sure Jamie has almost as much money as Oprah, and doesn't need anymore."
Stop right there!
Ya... coupla points.
"But I agree Ben in engineering global inflation and US Dollar devaluation as a policy response to financial collapse."
And there I thought Ben was fighting the threat of DEFLATION!
And...
"Bank collapse leads to no money leads to starvation."
Starvation for who? Bankers?
Listen up IK... bakers produce bread... bankers produce debt. And if you can't see that the overproduction of the latter is why we are in the mess we are in... well... you are an idiot.
And Bernanke/Greenspan are either incompetant or complicit in all of this.
Pick one.
"I'm sure Jamie has almost as much money as Oprah, and doesn't need anymore."
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Dude, the fact that you called him "Jamie" is really suspect. Are you sure you aren't Steve Liesman or Maria Bartiromo?
And I hate that he is using a John Lennon photo as an avatar.
I disagree that this was done to enrich his friends like Jamie Diamond at JP Morgue.
Then I don't think you understand much of it. Jamie Diamond in a way is Benny's BOSS. Who do you think is the ShareHolders of the Federal Reserve (Semi Private Corp)? Do some background on Rockefeller and the Red Shield Guys.
Spend a little time and read Creature from Jekyll Island and come up to speed on who owns or is owned by Whom.
The problems in these countries stem from a myriad of causes....
Well yes. For starters, Islam. Oh, and arab culture.
More vid's like this will push the petrodollar risk to DEFCON 3.5 soon.
Saudi royals, can you hear that door knocking?
Knock, knock, knockin on heaven's door...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcWTTs8QVRc
Among the groups currently crapping their pants, you have to include:
Laundry problems at USFOR-A AND ISAF, too. Plan D?
Blaming this on Bernanke is quite a stretch. Tyler, when you jump the shark like this you you only hurt yourself and you lose credibility.
How much of a stretch?
If food is priced in dollars, & Big Ben hyperinflates, then those living on less than $10/day feel the sting fast & hard. No?
If the petrodollar dies & is replaced by Gulf Arab oil sold for any fiat, Fed hyperinflation will matter less & we'll see fewer hungry rioters.
I don't think it's a stretch, either. The dollar is the world's reserve currency; things are priced in dollars. When one is living on the edge already, it doesn't take much price instability to fall over it. Does anyone imagine that we can destroy our currency in isolation?
US GDP 25% of world economy. US$ 60% of world reserves.Looks like a bit of mismatch. Lets print more of the stuff.
One phrase sums up the world at this point in time (and many would argue at most times in history): Follow The Money.
Memorize that phrase.
The last time we had global food riots? 2007-2008, when wheat, rice and corn hit record prices. In that period there were no food supply disruptions, but one thing we had lots of was virtually endless speculative capital (oil at $140). Furthermore, "Rising agricultural prices (60 per cent on average)
are not due to scarcity (grain production dropped only 2 per cent after
three years of bumper crops). When the US Federal Reserve began its
second round of quantitative easing (QE2), non-agricultural resources
(cotton, tin, rubber, etc) jumped to historic heights. Other commodities
like oil also saw huge increases (Brent reached US$ 104)." So we appreciate your statement assumed to be fact about credibility and sharks and what not, and respectfully disagree, especially when accounting for the real facts.
I agree that endless speculative capital is driving up commodity prices. But with Washington generating 100 billion is debt per month, and that amount of debt cannot be absorbed by the world financial system, what else can he do but monetize it? If he doesn't monetize it, we have a currency crisis and a collapse.
Also, the Bernanke is only one of several central bankers with similar policies of ZIRP and QE--Eurozone, UK, Japan, Canada.
Also, many have been calling for inflation for many years based solely on supply--demand, i.e., JImmy Rogers. Heck it's the Chinese buying up all the base metals and everyone is buying food--India, China, Asia, etc.
QE is a disaster, agree, but you have to cut deficit spending to give the Bernake the option to raise rates and stop monetization.
Gee, I dunno....stop giving billions to Israel, for a start?
i prefer you stop giving billions to goldman first. israel is the good guy trying to stay alive surrounded by racists bent on their destruction since the first islamic invasions and later the romans. goldman on the other hand, you can do all the anti semite you want on them as far as i am concerned