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Video Footage Of Protests In Ireland, Ministry Of Finance Besieged
Contrary to convention wisdom, while Irish bond yields were surging to all time highs, the local population was not merrily drinking itself into oblivion, but was taking matters into its own hands. So far every bankrupt European government has at least managed to get its population on the streets, to protest something, and in the case of Greece, caused Waddell and Reed to sell a few SPOOS leading to the biggest crash in capital markets history. Only the most bankrupt nation of all, the United States, continues to see its 300+ million cowering at home, watching sitcom reruns.
Pay special attention to part 4, in which the ministry of finance gets besieged.
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In San Francisco on Monday, the Giants fans protested the Giants winning the World Series by smasing the windows at a Wells Fargo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/docpopular/5138578805/in/photostream/
maybe ZH will be liable for damages?
I kind of blame ZH for it. How much of Wells Fargo's laundered drug money is now going to be redistributed away from a $1000/hr prostitute to a glass company because of this?
poor rich hookers. <sniff>
I'm pretty sure glaciers in SF bang hookers too.
I thought Citi was in charge of the money laundering.
And remember, according to our Econ PhD friends, breaking glass windows increases the GDP. So, both the folks in Ireland and SF are simply trying to improve the economy. In more ways than one.
LOL.
+1. Beat me to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnoAY1wXfI
This video is the best one I've seen on the protests.
Violence did take place.
A must watch
Jesus I was wrong about some of those guys - they are not ineffectual - there is something building in this country.
Looks like a dollar rally in the making.
There are a lot of differences to protests in Europe and here. In France, Greece and others you see protests because the unions or even the populace want MORE stuff from government or at least feel a right to the free and cushy stuff they get. They are insulted if they have to pay for it. I think it is terrible that you might not be able to retire at 60 in France after working 32 hour weeks and six weeks of vacation with free healthcare for so many years! It is only right you get a cushy retirement probably at more than you made working. What sacrifice! No wonder they haven't won a war since Napoleon!
In America, the Tea Party at least is protesting too much free stuff and unsustainable spending and debt. The French, Greeks and maybe the Irish in these videos don't give a damn about balance sheets. They want what they want and if needed to shake down someone else to get the money.
Also, it is not a long trip or drive to any protest in France, Greece or Ireland. In the U.S. people who actually have to show up for work need to take vacation, pay for a plane, take kids out of school or join one of the cross country bus tours to spend a day protesting. The modern American protests are not the old fashioned lefty professional protester, unemployed student or welfare recipient protests. Notice these videos are students.
There were no protests after this election because the new Tea Party protestors are hoping that the new gains in the House and Senate will produce the desired results. They'll be out again under the right conditions.
We have a winner!
No.. We don't have a winner.. We have a couple of dumbasses..
I went to a Tea Party rally this past year.. The first speaker got up and started bitched because the Military was going to discontinue the purchasing of a certain helicopter that he felt was needed for the safety of our troops.. Most of them are a bunch of fucktard neo-cons and I knew from that moment it wasn't my cup of tea.. pun intended..
The TEA party has been taken over and conpromised. Anyone with 2 braincells to rub together can figure that out on a bad day..
Marx (Groucho, that is!) said it best: "I would never join a club that would have me as a member!"
Well said. But, uhh, ever see a teachers' union protest?
But but but..... it's for the Children!!
;-)
Probably took the government subsidized equivalent of our Amtrak...to protest the government being broke!...ROTFL.
God the irony of it all.
And the holders of the EBT cards (or "Auntie Zietuni Cards" as we call them here) are sated. Maybe Ahnold's restriction that "psychic" services can no longer be bought will cause a protest? Nah, Auntie Zietuni knows how to turn the magic card into FRNs and, well, that's what fungible is all about.
- Ned
Until the middle class is marching through the streets wearing tyler durden or guy fawkes masks and hanging banners from the overpasses by WB7 it's just dress rehearsal.
Guy Fawkes mask I get.
Tyler mask? <<shudder>>
;-)
- Ned
remember remember ..... Friday! =)
Don't you mean bankers from overpasses?
pods
spotted yesterday
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lk5rht.jpg
if there was a 'like' on ZH , id be liking FreedomGuys comment, not that anyone cares.
I do! ZH really needs a way to support a comment as well as junk it.
Interesting points but I think we will see similar actions in the United States if pensions, social security, etc. are reduced. Most people I speak to regarding this subject still think everything will work out fine. Once reality sets in that federal and state governments are broke and that safety net is not so safe anymore the gloves may come off.
I think people should be careful of what the wish for. Once the unemployment checks stop printing I'm pretty sure something will hit the fan. Add another 5 or 10 million unemployed to the pool and we could be seeing riots in all the ghettos. Not something I would hope for., but sadly it is likely to happen, IMO.Really? Show me one Tea party candidate that has pledged to stop spending on a single entitlement program. Show me one tea party candidate that will stop spending all this cash on endless wars. Show me one who's not ready to invade Iran at Israel's side.
The tea party may be protesting endless spending, but targeting things like earmarks or 'pork' or what have you that are a fraction of a fraction of a percent of what this government spends it's money on is not "protesting unsustainable spending and debt." Until I see a tea party candidate who actually has the balls to do some real austerity, I'll treat the Tea party movement like it really is: just a group of angry ignorant middle class people who really have no idea what actually makes up the gov't debt (medicare, social security, and military). More "conservative" republicans just after more big gov't spending.
+100
Rand Paul
I'm not yet ready to give him the benefit of the doubt. His dad may be on the side of good, but he still has a lot to prove. We'll see if he becomes Mr. Smith. I do have hopes that another good one is through though. IIRC he did make a comment a while ago along the lines of cutting SS and got hammered from all angles for it. We'll see.
Chris Littleton Co-founder, Ohio Liberty Councila statewide coalition of 58 Tea Party groups...
He "gets it"
Paul Ryan has quite a following and some good ideas.
Educational demographics: tea party > republicans >> democrats.
The ZH monkeys only want to read thrash news .. you know .. thrash America, the unemployed, the voters etc...revolution shit!
Sure, 'cept for the SS and Medicare and all that stuff. Don't mess with that stuff, but be sure and lower the deficit while we're at it.
You and I both know that the only way out of this crap is through the Great Implosion. Until then, the "System" will continue to limp along on gangrenous limbs.
I think everything is on the table, polls showing people are ready for reasonable tweaks and privatizing SS solution combos
"They are insulted if they have to pay for it."
No you have it wrong they are insulted because they pay for it in taxes and get less in return .
Austerity should be reducing taxes and doesn't - what they are hearing is pay more receive less . There is also tons of waste . Ever been to a european gov't office ? They are all decorated like museums even the DMV . Sculptures everywhere , the most expensive lighting fixtures ,art all over the walls . Then go over to someones house/3 room condo they have posters on the walls held up with scotch tape . Clic clac sofas (the cheapest ugliest things you can imagine) ,no light fixtures or the lowest priced . The robbery is right in front of them everyday ,they are finally realizing it .
I think maybe the best thing these gov'ts can do is create departments of austerity . Where they employ people to cut costs wherever they can but they can't touch the following benefits retirement ,education , health , and construction maintenance of roads .Anything else is fair game . These employees would be paid on commission not salaried . They would also have a mandate to let go of gov't workers without political consequence and a right to consolidate overlapping bureaucracies within gov't .
europe is much better to it's people. americans believe if they give all their money to the mafia corporations that their lives will be better. it's a joke. and so is all the socialism bashing. go live in one of those countries. the infrastructure is better, the people are more free not less. people enjoy life more. etc. etc...
'What sacrifice! No wonder they haven't won a war since Napoleon!'
Whats winning wars got to do with anything, apart from killing people outside your own country, covering them with poisons. Mutating its babies with depleted uranium because there were no 'weapons of mass destruction" you are a fool, no one admires a bully going down the gurgler.
And the land of the Free and Standardbearer of Capitalism....of course its workers are treated like shit. .but not like China where your companies have outsourced production.. Do you mean that the rightous protestors in the US know about Balance Sheets"? How about you look at the Feds explanation sheet info sheet..in other countries this is what 8 year olds comprehend. This is what your aduts require mate so they can comprehend. Dont hold your breathe for any move out of the 300 million in front of their TV sets. obese. Have you noticed that the french are not obese
Freedon Guy:
'irish kids want to shake down someone to get the money" how about for an education? Any idea how the Irish Banks got caught up and had to be bailed out? who profited?
Nice one, how many hundreds of thousands of irish men, women and children were auctioned off as slaves? in Virginia? that sounds like something for nothing to me. Especially the sex slaves and the breeding that went on...
I think you're on to something there. We need to get rid of the idea of retirement in the USA. As it is, we're moving into a period of austerity and we're following Argentina';s example. In that country Bank of America and other fine institutions simply eliminated everyone's 401ks and pensions and kept the money. It was all legal so it's ok. they'll probably do that here too. After all, there is a lot of potential money locked up in 401ks, Pensions and IRAs. But if everyone starts retiring in mass, their value will tank. The best way to keep them from tanking the markets is to simply let the banks raid them.
Besides, funding retirements is just too expensive. In the old days, when you got old you just moved back in with your kids, who love and care for you and are making a good living.
Those days will be coming back. It's good to see that the Tea Party is championing this cause.
It looks like children...very young people.In this country storm troopers would beat them to a pulp with tonfas.
While some are watching sitcoms, others are stockpiling ammunition.
When riots happen here, it will look nothing like this.Guaranteed.
It was a student protest.
They were all students.
Students are generally young
Agreed , these are merely students protesting about the coming abolition of free education - they are not protesting about ideas but just want the scraps off the table to continue.
They have no political consciousness wether left or right ,right or wrong - they seem incapable of engaging in political dialogue with a few exceptions.
I took a stroll to my local collage campus today and I did not feel any edge to the atmosphere - the youth seem strangely lost.
Although I am a atheist,I Believe something deeply spiritual was lost during the liberal revolution and it does not look like its coming back.
Although to be fair I am just a hurler on a ditch here - they are doing more then what I am prepared to do at the moment.
Inclined to agree. With one proviso.
What we are witnessing and they (and other "Entitlers") are experiencing is the destruction of the Social Contract.
It is in such conditions that people begin to question.
Action can follow reasonably swiftly when they realise that the Social Contract was based on noting other than a global debt scheme and the recycling of excess reserves from the slave economy that is China.
The Fed announcement today indicates to me that the US is preparing for protectionism.
Ireland and other small open economies are about to get a wakeup call.
What has happened so far is merely an indication.
Nevertheless good to see that the President of the High Court had the balls to stand up for the Constitution.
Agreed. Ask yourself, if push comes to shove, can I ensure shelter, sustenance, and security for myself and my loved ones? For how long?
"recycling of excess reserves from the slave economy that is China."
+10 That is the problem in a nutshell, the rest is noise.
If you can't protect it... You don't own it.
and who are you shooting?? are you storming the Hamptons?
I fear you are correct. The storm trooper mentality has upped the ante.
Coming to a theatre near you soon !!
"the local population was not merrily drinking itself into oblivion"
Hey!
I take personal offense to that!
Where's my bottle opener?
If push comes to shove, these European cowards will curl into a fetal position and suck on their thumbs.
"Only the most bankrupt nation of all, the United States, continues to see its 300+ million cowering at home, watching sitcom reruns"
Now hold it 1 second!!!
Some are complaining here on ZH; Hell some even are going to the lengths as to write to their people in congress and others who represent themselves.
In this way they can say to their children and grandchildren "Sorry about the mess I left you, but you have to know I've done everything I could to change the tide of the times".
Furthermore I would like to congratulate the people of the United Corporate Banana States of America on the excellent results of the latest con-elections. You can rest assured, things are going to change for the better.
O'er the land of the sheeeeeep and the home of the slaaaaves?
Ill protest after this episode of Columbo. Its the Eposide with Leonard Dr Spock Nimoy.
playing drums with headphones on. something I can do in a cardboard box too. will protest when the cardboard box leaks. maybe. unless I still have some nachos and beer. hmmm.
gah....Mr. Spock!
Dr. Spock was the sex Dr.
THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF WANKERS!!!! EVEN HER!!! lol
This is the mob, not any kind of principled protest. Do they know what they want? Yeah, upset that the gravy train is over...cheap education paid for by taxpayers and borrowing has come to an end.
The end of bread & circuses.
When they start calling for austerity and protesting central banking, printing and FRB then I'll listen...meanwhile, let them eat cake.
They're mad that there aren't enough taxpayers left anymore...
WE DEMAND MORE TAXPAYERS!!!
ONE-TWO-THREE-FOUR...WE DEMAND YOU BORROW MORE!!!!
They want to sustain the unsustainable. The only sayings it will lead to is "Fox Two" over the radio over Taiwan.
Maybe TWO-FOUR-SIX-EIGHT...LET THE EURO DEVALUATE!!!!!
should be their demand...
Maybe TWO-FOUR-SIX-EIGHT...LET THE EURO DEVALUATE!!!!!
The squid did the best it could for you
TWO-FOUR-SIX-EIGHT...GIVE US BACK OUR NANNY STATE!
ZERO-THREE-SIX-NINE...YOU EARN YOURS THEN GIVE ME MINE!
HELL NO INFLATION'S LOW
HELL NO PRINT MORE DOUGH
did they find Able yet??? Did Jax bang his step sister Trinity yet without knowin it?
+3.14
Might be a mob with no ideas,however how does that really make them any different to a Government with no ideas,oh the obvious difference is that they are not on the gravy train like the Government with no ideas.The signs are there that appeared in the early 30,s,the main sign is drift,a total lack of stability and anything to believe in or trust.This is the start of things to come as people wake up to the true cost of whats gone on.
Quite.
And as I responded to The Dork above.
"Inclined to agree. With one proviso.
What we are witnessing and they (and other "Entitlers") are experiencing is the destruction of the Social Contract.
It is in such conditions that people begin to question.
Action can follow reasonably swiftly when they realise that the Social Contract was based on noting other than a global debt scheme and the recycling of excess reserves from the slave economy that is China.
The Fed announcement today indicates to me that the US is preparing for protectionism.
Ireland and other small open economies are about to get a wakeup call.
What has happened so far is merely an indication.
Nevertheless good to see that the President of the High Court had the balls to stand up for the Constitution."
It always amazes me how conditioned we really are. Based upon many of the comments I'm reading here, it seems that we still believe several things.
1.) That the reason for the financial crisis in Europe is the under worked, over vacationed, over benefited and overpaid workers. Those lazy slobs are the reason their countries are bankrupt.
2.) That the reason for the financial crisis in America is the bad bankers because the average American is over worked, under vacationed, under benefited and underpaid. We aren't lazy slobs so it must be the bankers who caused all our problems.
3.) That Americans are better than Europeans primarily because we're treated worse than they are and we don't bitch, complain or God forbid protest our working conditions. We aren't sissies like those pampered Europeans.
4.) That the only way to run a financial system is to work everyone at least 40 hours a week for 50 weeks a year and if we're worked any less, the system will collapse and with it our standard of living. Our individual misery has nothing to do with the highest income disparity since the Great Depression nor an unofficial inflation rate 3 to 4 times higher than the official inflation rate.
5.) That these truths are immutable and undeniable because everyone knows this. After all, our grandparents worked 70 hours a week, our parents worked 55 hours a week and we only work 40 hours a week. We've got the world by the balls and the fact that husband and wife must both work to maintain the same standard of living one person was able to support 30 years ago has nothing to do with it.
6.) It a badge of honor to slave away on our hamster wheel because to consider anything other than salvaging our personal self respect by engaging in denial and self deceit would force us to admit that we're more exploited by our masters than some third world wage slaves. But hell, if we work real hard and put our noses to the grind stone, one wage slave out of 500 per year actually escapes their servitude to enjoy a life of luxury.
A man can dream, can't he. That's what real men do, not protest. After all, we don't wish to upset our abuser, do we?
"That the only way to run a financial system is to work everyone at least 40 hours a week for 50 weeks a year and if we're worked any less, the system will collapse and with it our standard of living." ----???
THAT ONE, unfortunately, is true. Someone, somewhere, has to perform actual work to produce the real wealth that - as opposed to the banksters' paper money - supports the masses' welfare state.
You would be comfortable there...look at clip#5...the red banner waving on the left there reads "Socialist Workers Party"
Stupid (or at least poorly formulated) statement. There is no specific threshold. Who the hell knows what it takes "on average" in a normal working society - let alone by virtue of talent, skill, choice or circumstance. CD is simply pointing out a difference between the US and Europe - but both wind up in the same damn place anyhow. The whole thing is a central banker smoke screen.
edit... I retract somewhat in retrospect that if your point is that people must in fact be productive - we are in complete agreement. If it is about quantifiable hours or labor, I draw the line. I have spent a career proving over and over how efficiency really works to the contrary of too many early baby-boomer idiots who think hours = productivity and reward on that basis alone only to see business after business fail. rant - rant - rant.
Well, that much is true...I am just a dumb uneducated prole. But I can see out the window...
...and there are just too damn many people ot there selling things to others, shuffling office papers, agents, middlemen and brokers...too many people "administering", "supervising", "insuring", "speculating" and retailing"...producing nothing,performing fake jobs which would simply not exist without the succor of cheap central printer-created "money"...
How many "jobs" are mere misallocations of capital? Can they even be called "jobs" at all?
...and whose income comes from the remaining half-a-dozen producing taxpaying industries and individuals while everyone & their dog is sucking on the government teat, subsidized health care, subsidized education, subsidized housing, subsidized retirement.
And you tell me that we can afford to work less? That more holidays would be nice? That what they pay you is Real Money? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his wants?"
Right now, people pretend to work and the central printers pretend to pay them...but if someone somewhere doesn't sweat, mine, farm or fish no one gets fed, clothed & housed. We need more wealth and work, not "money".
Yeah, yeah, yeah...I've heard this before. "The economy is created by man and is infinitely malleable, so we can always achieve social goals & a life of leisure through government tinkering with it..." Everything will get better and better if only we have more money...!
Krugmanite socialism.
Totally cool and humble rant. Love it - and the passion you show. You and I have bumped posts in a similar fashion before only to find that we are on the same page after all - just different angle of approach, wording, whatever. I am a fan. Hope to see you around more.
In addition (instead of my usual edit thing)... please consider that the current path is not sustainable. It is not your fault that someone goes unclothed or unfed because of your inability to work more or be more productive. This outcome is a combination of human nature (the bad parts) and a central banking scheme designed to concentrate wealth in complete disregard for humanity (the good parts).
This, I will drink to. <raises glass. falls over.>
+100
The Three Pillars of a Functioning Society are:
1) You Make something;
2) You Mine something (includes oil/gas extraction);
3) You Grow something.
Everything else - all the "administering" "selling", "trading","analyzing", "marketing" etc. is ENTIRELY SUPPORTED by these three "Core" activities.
And how are we in the Good Ol' U.S. of A. doing?
1) Making Things - that's so 60's. We let China do all that for us.
2) Mining Things - can't do that. Might hurt a tree or a spotted owl. Besides, as we can get all the oil we need from those friendly Arabs and other Muslims by trading colored paper for fuel isn't that better?
3) Growing things - not much help there. Farmland is much more valuable as Mega-Malls and McMansions. Besides, that's the province of all those stupid people who live in flyover country, and Brazil does a much better job of supplying us with food and fiber than we can do for ourselves. Besides, isn't that the whole idea of emerging markets? They emerge - we're the market.
Why be bothered with all the hassles and bother of Producing when through the alchemy of "Financial Markets" we can close our factories, shut our mines, pave over our fields and just Consume?
The whole "Functioning Society" bit - it's so yesterday.
Don't you guys get it?
<Sarcasm Off>
+10
WOW laughing swordfish
so far, that is the best
gloom and doom story
Kredit, actually the concept of work as we know it (numbing, dumbing) is a direct spawn of the Industrial culture. Unfortunately, it's origins as we know it today are lost inthe mists of time. Back in the day, when this punishing regimen began, great poetry and books expressed it's utter in-humanity.
What it masquerades as today is grotesque, but has a coat of veneer (400 year's of daily coat actually) that makes it impossible for our conditioned minds to pierce.
By the sweat of thy brow my ass.
The earth provided plenty.
Till industrialization came in put our collective asses and minds on the in-evitablity of school, work, death and taxes.
It has also, over the years, subverted the meaning of wants/needs.
Now you HAVE to go to work, just to survive.
May I suggest Ishmael by Daniel Quinn?
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
You make a good point. For the essentials needed to run an economy, we really don't need so many Americans working or for them to have jobs.
With the effieicny gains we have with hi tech equipment, it's really a waste to employ so many people for wastefull activities.
We could probably eliminate 100 million jobs and still maintain the same GDP.
Boss walks in and sees a guy loafing around talking in the breakroom, tells him to get back to work. But is the guy avoiding his pile of unfinished work, or has he already finished everything he needs done that day and is taking a celebratory rest?
Phrased another way, if someone can do the same quality work of his officemate in 6 hours (that takes the other 8), if he goes home an hour early every day should he be fired? Assuming they are paid the same amount of money.
Answer: This is a trick question. The answer is that, either way, they offshore the job.
Unfinished work, or a celebratory rest, both are reasonable scenarios for a boss to say, "get back to work." Rest on the lift you bum.
"Someone, somewhere, has to perform actual work to produce the real wealth that"
Is intellectual property not real wealth?
If I develope a peice of software that can replace 100 widget makers does that entitle me to their wealth.
In an amoral global economy if I can make a contract for slaves to do work in China at one tenth the cost am I not entitled to pocket the difference and call it "my wealth".
Wealth in the absence of a moral framework is theft is it not?
No, it isn't. Every man has his value and every man has his price.
It's not theft if they willingly agree to work for that price. If your price is low they will ditch you when someone pays more. The best ones leave first. Over time they might unionize or individually ask for raises. Generally, people take jobs that will improve their lives within their own economy. My european relatives worked in sweatshops in the basement of NY buildings to pay for their passage. No one forced them and by our standards today it was miserable. But, it got us to where we are today.
I fully agree. You'll get no argument from me. Some work must be performed. Some work. Please notice that I said 40 hours. I was specific. So are you saying we couldn't run the system working 39 hours? Or 35 hours? How about 30 hours a week?
I'm suggesting that the reason we are still working 40 hours a week is to maintain or increase the income/wealth of the elites, who haven't seen an income drop in decades. Plus the elites must keep the workers free time limited or the worker might just get some ideas about wanting even more free time. Robotics, modern manufacturing techniques and automation long ago eliminated the need for 40 hour weeks.
The system doesn't need to work this way if it is designed to fairly allocate the resources from all of our labor between the workers and the owners. The way the system is now set up, we have no power because the system benefits those who have the power.
An abusive relationship is never fair to the abused. I wonder why that is? Of course, over the long term, the abused either finds a way to deny his/her abuse or the abused revolts. Since we don't seem to be revolting, we must find a way to love our abuser. One of the ways this is done is to justify our own abuse. May I suggest that you read up on the Stockholm syndrome and psychological abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse
There is a third option: the abused believes he/she has a shot at one day becoming the abuser. This is the false promise of America; that anyone can become a billionaire with hard work and a little luck. It just isn't true but people think it is and therefore faithfully buy their lottery ticket.
I already covered this. Please see the last sentence of item # 6 above. With the example of a 1 in 500 chance per year of breaking free, I thought I made it reasonably clear it was a false promise.
"...designed to FAIRLY allocate the resources from all of our labor between the workers and the owners..."
But there's the rub. What does "fair" mean? I believe in allowing unearned income, passive income, inherited wealth and savings. And in allowing scarce real capital to exploit the vast oversupply of labour on this planet.
Anything else is a PLANNED ECONOMY...
We already live in a planned economy. Planned and designed to benefit the powerful elites and abusers. The laws and tax structure are not designed to benefit the middle class any where close to the same degree as the rich and powerful. If you can't see this, you have truly been assimilated.
The declaration of Independence says to first "alter" our form of government and the second (if the first doesn't succeed) is to abolish it. The FF read their history and knew human nature. So the awakening American public is following the script even if they have not read the document for themselves.
Wonder no more why retired military are not moving on the Jeffersonian solution to the Barbary Pirates and what Jefferson really did to get rid of them. I do indeed hope and pray alter is successful. For abolish in this age means fighting both the enemy within and the enemy without simultaneously. If such happens, every person on earth will lose a loved one. The world leadership are malthusians thinking somehow that a private enclave in an island will preserve them this time, but they do not consider the age of WMD. Google Beslan and CIA and Woosley. The effects of failure to alter means mass causalties of both the innocent and the guilty.
There's an oxymoron in there somewhere....
Brilliant observation
Yeah, the "Socialists" wanna "Party", without "Work!", let alone cleaning up the house afterwards.
Ah the irony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
We have been so completely assimilated into the system, we have so thoroughly internalized and adopted the lies of the system, that we can not see the similarities between 1984 the book or the Apple commercial and our lives today.
The vast majority of slaves will fight to remain a slave.
Let's evolve. It's time to leave. Lets try something new.
Production has been solved by robotics, mechanization and software. Our landfills are testament to that. Throw in some lowcost over-the-horizon labor to boot.
The education system hasn't yet been upgraded to the point, where standing in line at the game terminal, receiving a limp carrot, and wishing for less has taken root. A consumption economy should be rewarded, it is the mirror requirement of a producer economy, especially of light plastic injection molds of little value.
I should be paid to stroll in the park. :)
The Irish wont fight to remain slaves - look for them to be the 'break out' of this. The Irish have always taken the brunt of shit and tire of it, and Irish pride has had enough of it. I hope the rest of us will follow thru. Slaves no more!!!
+2.71
Go Galt.
Go Durden.
Go Fawkes.
Evolve.
Bravo!
71,656
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kPCYcBm-C8
Yeah.
Actually, I don't get that from what is written here. I just think that the protests in Europe and America are very different in their nature and who is protesting...and even what is being protested.
Having said that, there is an entirely different discussion of what caused the financial crises or whether Europeans are "better" than Americans or even European life is better than American life. You can discuss how much work is a good amount. In a free country without collectivization you can work as much or little as you wish. More work and better work, i.e. productivity correlates with more wealth or goodies. Less work is less. But hell, I had friends who were happy to work near minimum wage but live a life where they could surf whenever they wanted. Sometimes I think they made the better choice even though I have the better sportscar. With freedom you get to make those cool life choices. You just gotta own the result.
I DO think that the French and Greeks and other entitlement types are not very realistic. If you are going to collectively have lots of free expensive stuff like healthcare, autobahns and six weeks of paid vacation and still expect to retire before 60 you have to be very very productive and put enough away to coast on in retirement to the end of your ever lengthening lifespan. Or, even better, you have to fool or coerce someone else into buying it for you from their labor. The favorite way is to get rich and pseudorich to buy it for you. This is the wonder of the collective.
In freedom, the person who does or produces the most is the winner in terms of wealth, lifestyle and options. In the collective, the person who does the least wins because no one really does any better than anyone else. So apples go unpicked in the old Soviet Union while people clamor for fresh apples at the market. The early Puritan collectivists nearly starved to death.
I have a brother in Europe and he loves the lifestyle. I say it is fine if you are willing (collectively) to pay for all of it and when the balance sheets don't balance, you cut goodies or work harder and produce more tax revenue. It never works out like that. People like the goodies but not the labor to produce it. Ergo, Greek and French protests with ECB efforts to paper over the difference. Their governments (and ours, too) cannot pay out all the goodies on the tax revenues at hand.
May I suggest that you are using "freedom" and "capitalism" interchangeably. Why? They are not the same.
On the face of it, I would agree with you. Of course, why are they in this position? Does it have anything to do with fiat currency and unbridled fractional reserve banking? I could go on but my main point is that many people are blaming the protesters. Why?
Because it's easier to attack the powerless than to attack your masters.
Not sure how you define capitalism but in my book capitalism is simply free trade and voluntary associations. Without that there is no real freedom.
As Milton Friedman stated (paraphrased) "Political freedom without economic freedom is an illusion." If someone can tax you at 100% or direct your labor unwillingly, then you are not really free. I see economics as the unifying theory behind everything in society. That's why I am hooked on it as a hobby, an interest, maybe even a passion.
And now I'm hooked on this damn site, lol! I love the intelligent articles and replies, even those with which I disagree or who disagree with me. It's a satisfying intellectual workout, win or lose.
I also have been developing a theory, too that you and others would enjoy. It is that capitalism is what is. It is actually the only economic system that exists in the world and everything that exists, even communism is just a terribly tortured version. I need to work it out and debate it when I have time. It would be a worthy college thesis.
Damn, CD, you're on fire with the truth tonight! Stockholm Syndrome indeed. Also Identification With The Aggressor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_%28psychology%29#Anna_Freud_...
Economic freedom, and personal freedom are attached at the hip
And our balance sheet here in the US balances with the 40+ hour work week, 2 weeks vacation and a 65 year old retirement? Why, is life based upon production? We are on a finite planet with finite resources and a scheme that is based upon infinite growth. It's unsustainable.
Why are retailers struggling and their shelves of jeans are stocked? Because, I know my wife and I have about 40 pairs of jeans between us and we can go without spending $35 for a new pair in these shitty economic times. We have become such efficient creators and producers as a society that the entreprenurial spirit is dead by default (where to go from here?).
Want to fix the problem, fix the scheme.
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Funny, this post seems totally reasonable. Why wouldn't anyone junk it? Oh right, they probably posted that drivel above.
CD, well said.
The twitter feed of it:
http://www.thejournal.ie/student-march-riots-how-it-unfolded-on-twitter-2010-11/#slide-slideshow14
you didn't catch the protests yesterday? a lot of politicians got fired.
Can we hope the new ones are better than the ones fired?
probably not. personally, i'm an apolitical liberal but i wouldn't characterize what happened yesterday in that manner.
do we still have sitcoms in the usa?
Unifying social theory. The amount of Bread and Circuses in a given society, is directly proportional to the sodimizing of the proles by the political class.
"You would be comfortable there...look at clip#5...the red banner waving on the left there reads "Socialist Workers Party""
And capitalist greed is better?
Even though running out of other peoples' money, ZeroHedge descends into a socialist redistributive worker-state paradise.
We KNOW the elites are benefitting. We KNOW the banksters are running wild. But the real enemies are the thieving governments enabling this...
The real enemy is the idle empowered citizen who keeps posting on a blog instead of doing a F'ing thing about it.
Looks like we have ourselves a volunteer! Get out there and go postal at your nearest Federal Reserve Branch -- just post your name and picture so we can verify you really followed through this time!
Yes! You got it right, Kred! They could not do any of it without the collaboration of government in general. Government has the laws and guns. They control the currency and can manipulate the economy and pick winners and losers. People will pay to influence that.
That was the original genius of our Constitution. The Federal government had very limited enumerated powers. You couldn't buy a favor because none could be granted.
One of the value propositions CB sold was that they would take the punch bowl away. Do they and did they? Seen a tank at the Federal Reserve lately? Now I am no fan of vote buying on deficit spending either. But where did the wealth of the USA go?
In your passionate studies, the term mandraking must have certainly come up now and then. Since humanity changes little and concentrated wealth never realizes that we either all evolve forward together or accept mass casualties, expect the Golden Calf to be decentralized the hard way. 300 year supercycle coming to an end.
Greenspan and Bernanke guessed wrong and he even alluded to it here: http://ragingdebate.com/politics/feeling-upset-because-the-american-population-wont-wake-up-as-the-us-falls-apart , it was time to end the code of silence for the Brotherhood of Darkness and evolve into a larger supply chain choosing abundance over scarcity. But then insiders don't have it so easy they would have to work a bit harder. Oh the horror!
The big stick gets a couple of more wacks in to spur the evolution then it becomes a toothpick. A shame it is likely one of three people will be dead on earth within a decade. I wager the survivors will be asking a lot of questions afterward.
With depressed inventories the looting here in america will be lame. Besides every room already has a flat screen.
It seems to me we all get it...the mystery is gone..I would bet there are close to a thousand people here with the skills and desire to get a movement going, and hundreds willing to bankroll the hard costs..those of us in democratic countries don't even need to pick up a gun...we can do it all with a message, a platform and this meduim. I have searched and waited, but I, like many here I believe, are ready to get on with it....why can't make 2012 the target date (at least for those in the US) and get something going? It may take some time to come up with an agenda, but here is my crack at it, http://www.thecactusland.com/2010/09/from-liberal-to-libertarian-bush-ob... You can scroll to the end to see the agenda... this is just my take, together we can come up with something much better....My point, we need a movement, a platform, and some leadership...I am convinced many, many are waiting, someone needs to step up ..I am more than willing to do my part...
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End government worldwide.
They're fictions that only serve leaches and the predators-that-be.
Their life probably sucks. Why am I supposed to be protesting?
You're supposed to be protesting the fact that your taxes earn you entitlements as a social contract we have with our various govenrments.
We need to stop getting free stuff for our money.
Once we start getting nothing for our money, we'll return to an era of greatness.
One thing is clear -- the Irish have better dental plans than I was led to believe
lol @ approving this spammer's application, the clue was kind of in the name wasnt it?
The poor southeners have been neutered, thats what the establishment wants you beleive, that peaceful protests are acknowledged, but really they are just laughing they're legs off at having it so easy. Look at the London protests against the Iraq war, 1 million+ people took to the streets...nothing.
here is a proper protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEQ8315n0Z0&feature=related
They all look like they are still eating. What happens when they are hungry?
That's not a protest. That's a parade with a beer kegger somewhere at the end. When the streets are on fire I'll recognize it as a protest.
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