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And to think that six months ago images of rioters throwing gasoline bombs at the police were enough to get Waddell and Reed to sell 20 ES contracts...

 

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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:12 | 808834 doomandbloom
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soon...coming to a place near you...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:25 | 808908 aint no fortuna...
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that's some serious shit.. and so it begins

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:51 | 809031 Malcolm Tucker
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Glenn Beck says people like this, namely Ron Paul supporters, are terrorists...

http://fedupmontrealer.blogspot.com/2010/12/fareed-zakaria-owns-glenn-beck.html

Not to mention 157 million muslims lol

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:07 | 809130 Missing_Link
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Not to mention 157 million muslims lol

Well, 157 would be around 10% of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims, right?  That sounds about right to me, especially when you take into account the Pew polls that indicate that support for Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban range from 5-10% in some Muslim countries all the way up to 50-60% in Palestine and Somalia.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:13 | 809166 karzai_luver
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yet the distaste for the u.s. is around 90%.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:19 | 809192 crosey
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Yeah....it's easier to hate Israel and the US, than to fix their own fucking shitholes.  Nothing new here.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809244 Bring the Gold
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Right because nothing Israel or the US has done in the past 40 years has in anyway impacted the Muslim world in a negative way. Give me a break. Poor John Candy is rolling in his grave.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:19 | 809452 PierreLegrand
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For the past 1400 years Islam has been at war with any country near it that wasn't muslim. Fact of life...and when there wasn't a handy non-muslim country around they have been perfectly happy to war with each other about who should control the world.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:31 | 809477 Bring the Gold
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I wasn't suggesting that Muslims aren't ALSO violent. I'm suggesting imperial actions (coups, puppet dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, Saddam, The Shah of Iran) may have limited the "upward mobility" of that group. Muslims are plenty violent, just like Christians, Jews and Hindus and people of all religions and walks of life.

I'm tired of all the bullshit out there blaming just the Russians, or just the Jews, or just the Masons, or just the Muslims. It's bullshit, we need to go after behaviors not generalize and eventually slaughter an entire people. Fuck I don't want people looking at Bush and Obama and therefore generalizing that I'm some kind of Fascist. Likewise I'm not going to categorize any of those other groups just because some extreme assholes with power have been tyrants.

Heck even power doesn't seem to matter as I've seen poor schmucks attack their own families. It's behaviors that are problems, violent and/or parasitic behaviors.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:11 | 810544 Fish Gone Bad
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What was amazing in the video is that no one thought to throw a Molotov cocktail into any of the windows.  If someone is pissed off enough to get potentially killed by the police, I would think they would at least want to try to burn down a building or two.  If I didn't know better I would think that they actually were not even TRYING to be real rioters.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:31 | 809492 Malcolm Tucker
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Do you realize how laughable your comment is when compared to  US history (average of a major war every 20 years) , British Empire history (who haven't they pillaged?), 20th century European history (WWI & WWII along with the holocaust), the Spanish Inquisition... the list is long my friend. The muslim conquests pale in comparison both in scope and in number

You are right in saying that Muslim history is filled with the wars they fought in building their own empire. You are WRONG in thinking we are any better. Get off your high horse and realize that power and empire are all the same , just depends on which end of the rifle sight, or sword handle, you are...

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:36 | 809514 Bring the Gold
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Beautifully put and dead on.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:10 | 809655 minus dog
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"You are right in saying that Muslim history is filled with the wars they fought in building their own empire. You are WRONG in thinking we are any better."

In terms of warring?  Objectively, you most certainly can argue that we are not.

In terms of building a society that isn't plagued by rampant child raping, woman maiming and mudering, body part chopping, goat humping, pervasive allah-wills-it fuckeduppedness.....   Oh, I have no problem arguing that we have on hell of a head start on that aspect.  We didn't start any better than they did, but we've made a lot more progress.

Cultures and societies are, just like languages and governments, a form of technology.  Yeah, blah blah cultural relativism blah blah, and it can be hard to compare two cultures when they simply don't share similar goals and values... but it's a lot easier when one of them is just plain fucked up.  

Conversely, I suppose it's much harder when the person making the decision is living a fat, happy sheltered life in some western nation.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:39 | 809536 midtowng
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Funny that you should talk about islamic history when you obviously know almost nothing about it.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:42 | 809540 Calmyourself
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They have been shitholes for one thousand years, cultural inferiority complexes are a dangerous thing..  After all you can only live off the algebra glow for so long..

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:51 | 809346 tmosley
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They can't do anything about their shitholes because we keep interfering with their affairs.  You do realize that we are propping up an extremely unpopular absolute monarchy in Saudi Arabia, right?

Get out of the Middle East, and they will all happily return to killing each other, as they have done for centuries.  The other option is to lie down with the dogs, from whence we get fleas, and the occasional mauling.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:41 | 809541 Golden monkey
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Proping up a (monkey) monarchy is a thing;

openly support a genocide (Georgia) is another.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809233 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Osama Bin Ladin is a muslim puppet like Bush is a Christian proxy.  David Rockefeller said, "Religion doesn't metter anymore as long as everyone has one."  This side, that side, good side, bad side.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:58 | 809371 Rick64
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+10

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:14 | 809434 PierreLegrand
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Indonesia is supposedly a "moderate" muslim majority country. In 2002 and then again in 2005 polling there showed over 50% support for Bin Laden. The idea that most muslims are moderate is idiocy...judging an entire group of people by the number of people willing to fight is pretty silly as well. In any country at anytime...well except Israel, a very small minority of the people are willing to fight for their beliefs. Doesn't mean they don't support those beliefs, just means they aren't willing to die for them.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:18 | 809683 Manbarepig
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527192/Islam-poses-a-threat-to-the-West...

2006 Polling shows that the West belives Islam as a whole is a threat - I guess we're not so moderate either?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 19:39 | 812807 PierreLegrand
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Call me when some Christians or heathens from the west take a couple of airliners and run them into Mecca.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:52 | 810184 A Broken Bear
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Polling shows...get a clue, how big a sample size, where was the sample location demographics, was it a Fox news poll etc etc etc and the oft repeated claim most Muslims arent moderate, if that were true Oil would be over $300 cause all those fanatical muslims would be blowing up every single oil well and pipeline there is, Dudbai would be a safari hunting ground for Fanaticals picking off Western tourist and expat workers....blah blah blah

I work for a company who does substantial sums of business with the Mid East and Gulf, funny how none have them have tried to kill my "infidel" bosses whenever they go over to Saudi etc on Business trips.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 19:42 | 812811 PierreLegrand
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Pew Polling

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/26/where-terrorism-finds-support-in-the-muslim-world

Yea lets discuss all of this with the millions of Indians who died in the hindu kush mountains...at the hands of muslims.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:19 | 809197 Goldilocks
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I suppose it could be said that anyone who pushes back in the slightest is a terrorist ... come to think of it, they have been saying that.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809257 Bring the Gold
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Exactly, all the jackholes talking about Muslim terrorists clearly don't know they are "on the list" for accessing ZH. Anyone even READING about people "pushing back" are terrorists according to some of the definitions so uh...there ya go.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:52 | 809345 LFMayor
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Wow, you are truly a hard core resister man... right up there with your negatively impacted muslim brothers. 

Keep up the good fight, hero.  You go on ahead to Drudge man, I can't keep up with the real resisters like you, just slow you down anyway.  Just leave me a little ammo and some water...

idiot, they've got better things to do than to waste CPU scanning what sites that some bubble assed dickbeat like you fancies.

If they weren't an inept bureaocracy to begin with, that is.  Think DMV, but with more money and EEO.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:43 | 809547 Bring the Gold
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I was commenting on the continued erosion of freedom in the US. I was also commenting on the increasing surveillance and police state. I didn't say ZH was some kind of ultra-high priority thing and I certainly don't think I am. I was saying it's all being catalogued and cross referenced in one of the alphabet soup agencies. If you think otherwise you must not be reading much on the surveillance society.

I will add that they may not be able to process all the data in any meaningful way, but they are most certainly tracking damn near every website accessed I'm sure. ZH would definitely be on their list of sites to watch traffic on. Many would be more highly ranked, but ZH isn't exactly friendly to the financial establishment that clearly runs things now is it?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 03:31 | 810927 GoinFawr
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!!!

Tyler, I am asking you again: Please delete my ZH account and with it any and all posts or comments that may have originated from this IP address.

Alternately: serial junkers, get on it.

Warmiest Regards

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:20 | 809451 Things that go bump
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See you in the camps, or do you suppose they will just shoot us out of hand?  How much time do we have before they start rounding us up?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:37 | 809523 Founders Keeper
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[Exactly, all the jackholes talking about Muslim terrorists clearly don't know they are "on the list" for accessing ZH.]---Bring the Gold

I've been targeted for execution on sedition charges? 

Already?

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:46 | 809565 Bring the Gold
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Not saying that sheesh. I'm saying anyone going to sites like ZH gets a little fatter file then people say going to Hulu and watching Family Guy. Under the broadest classifications of terrorism people reading and commenting on sites like this would be listed. The quotes around "the list" was meant the general list of perhaps not perfectly loyal (asleep) citizens nothing more nothing less.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:43 | 809756 Founders Keeper
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[Not saying that sheesh. I'm saying anyone going to sites like ZH gets a little fatter file...]---Bring the Gold

I know.

There is a very serious element of truth in your post.  It wouldn't take more than 2 hours research by one Federal investigator to trace my ZH user name to my actual name, SSN, family, home address, education, income, bank accounts, associations, assets, credit card purchases, online activity, etc.

If the investigating agent is an FBI agent today, he/she would find I'm your average hardworking, law-biding citizen. 

If the Federal government devolves into a socialist/progressive regime that circumvents the US Constitution, with or without intentions of turning over US sovereignty to a global government, then I expect the investigating agent who is background checking me will feel quite alarmed. And with good reason. If you stand against the US Constitution, I stand against you.

I stand with God and Patriots. I've made my choice.

(So, you see, when I wrote "Already?" in my earlier Reply, I was only half joking--offering a degree of deference to your larger point.)

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:37 | 810140 Imminent Crucible
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"If the Federal government devolves into a socialist/progressive regime that circumvents the US Constitution"

"If"?   If?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:48 | 809332 Dolar in a vortex
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A few years ago I read my grandfathers obituary from 1931 in the Emerald Isle.

It recounted some of his experiences in the "Republican Army".

I commented to my father that he'd be called a terrorist today. That didn't go over so well. Of course, that didn't make it any less true.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:48 | 809576 Bring the Gold
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Yep. Exactly my point. People think terrorists and think a Muslim suicide bomber. DHS thinks terrorists and thinks which Americans are terrorists. There is all sorts of info out there about this stuff. How people find their way to ZH and yet don't know about the police state stuff is beyond me. I guess financial linked sites? We also seem to have some new traffic as well. Intersting mix ZH. 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:36 | 809519 midtowng
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Ron Paul supporters? Nah. Union members, along with muslims, any leftist, or basically anyone who isn't a fascist like Glen Beck is a terrorist.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:52 | 809038 Cash_is_Trash
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this isn't serious compared to how bad it's gonna get.

 

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

- Thomas Jefferson

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809241 Dr. Acula
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Yeah, I'm not so sure. US gov might die with a whimper just like USSR gov did.

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:41 | 809261 Bring the Gold
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We'll see, but I wouldn't bet against your stance either. Sad times.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:21 | 809457 HL Shancken
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The government of the USSR is intact. The transition you witnessed was in name and structure only. The players, Communist Party elites, remain the same.

 

Just as the Communist Party of the USSR and the KGB turned your attention from themselves and focused it on their Muslim proxies now they guide you toward their co-conspirators, their capitalist dupes, the evil "banksters" and you will believe, you do believe, there is the root of all evil.

 

You will not question your own eyes, you will not look too deeply, you will believe, because the Communists want you to believe, that there are no Communist provocateurs amongst the crowds. You will direct your hate only at the targets of the Communists and never the Communists themselves. You will do this because the Communists own your mind and they always have.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo

 

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

 

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:26 | 809473 PierreLegrand
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Brilliant...

New Lies For Old

The Communist strategy of deception and Disinformation

http://www.seanet.com/~barkonwd/golitsyn.htm

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:07 | 809834 zen303
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after a quick scan of the comment log here it is pretty obvious you come here because you believe tyler durden is glenn beck's alter ego. Seriously, you are a tea party PAWN. I know HE says it all the time, but I do mean it, "WAKE THE F*CK UP"

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:01 | 810051 Zyroh
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imagine if someone on foxnews was screaming about wallstreet fraud destroying the world.  or even better revealing government lies...  that would be amazing.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:17 | 810092 PierreLegrand
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Tea party pawn? Absolutely! Help establish a tea party in my city. Being for the tea party is not a bad thing. Wanting government to get back within its limits, taxed enough already...yea that is me. I want drastically lower government spending and drastically lower taxes. Abolish the EPA, Dept of Education, Department of Energy, FCC, the Fed, yea thats me.

 

What the fuck are you for assclown?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:55 | 810505 chopper read
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+1776

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 04:31 | 810938 GoinFawr
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Pierre, do you think any money could be saved in the 'defense' budget? I only ask because compared to the 50 billion or so the Dept. of Education 'costs' (it's been demonstrated that states that offer higher standards of public education receive a net benefit to the overall condition of their societies) you, 'defense' is quite the monster at 20 times that amount.

Hell, you'd think it wouldn't be hard to shave off enough of that monolithic expense to keep all the truly beneficial programs and STILL reduce the deficit; maybe even have a go the national debt too! So whaddaya say? Or was that glaring omission deliberate? Stirring up hornet's nests worldwide still a higher priority than, say, teaching kids to read?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 12:17 | 811575 chopper read
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i agree.

 

however, we can never extinguish the national debt because this would extinguish our money supply. 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 19:45 | 812815 PierreLegrand
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The department of education exists to allow government bureaucrats to indoctrinate children into the "right" way to behave. As if some soulless cocksucker in the Government knows anything about that shit.

We can cut the DOD after all the other ones are gone. We are at war with islam and fairly soon the communists...we need a strong military.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:08 | 812869 chopper read
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state and local governments should finance education.  the federal government absolutely uses it as a tool of indoctrination. 

 

i am not so zealous about war.  its a racket. 

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:09 | 809138 Simon Endean
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Serious shit? Nah, just some good doorbusters sales.  Spiro needs his PS3, yo!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:20 | 809198 RichardENixon
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Nope, that's real rioting going on there. I was in LA in 1992 during then Rodney King "riots" which were actually the "doorbuster" sales you're referring to. Soon as the National Guard put bullets in their guns the LA "rioting" stopped.

 

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:01 | 809625 chet
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That's exactly the difference.  Our cops don't show up with nothing but batons in order to take a bunch of punishment.  If you attack an American cop, they shoot your ass.  Keeps potential riots very much under control.

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:29 | 809921 AnAnonymous
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Exactly the difference? You must suffer from a very rare eye disease to fail to see the difference. Since when shooting a negro matters in the US?

Not only  you cant distinguish colours but you are unsensitive to absence of colours... You must be blind.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:51 | 810182 Golden monkey
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It depends if the negro you shoot is called "Hussein".

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 03:29 | 810949 GoinFawr
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@ Chet:

You must be so proud of what lengths the police will go to protect, at your expense, the plutocrats that despise and enslave you.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:33 | 808935 jus_lite_reading
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I'm afraid, when it does come here, it won't be half as peaceful. Police in the US are already pissed at the bankstas. Check out what is occurring in Newark NJ! It's spreading like wide fire.

 

Well thank goodness I have more gold and silver than the next man because when it all comes crashing down, it will be swift.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:14 | 809167 Golden monkey
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Some are even pissed at both the bansktas and the police. They are called the ganstas.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:40 | 809289 Bring the Gold
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What's occurring in Newark NJ, can you be specific or better yet provide a link? I'm very interested in what you are saying.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:29 | 809486 eurusdog
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If it goes as far down the toilet as many think it will, you'll be eating your gold and silver, the only thing of value will be what you can put in your mouth and on your back!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:39 | 808964 desgust
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No way ... 'Merikans are fat and coward. Just big mouths!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:45 | 809001 Tortfeasor
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We have all the coolest gadgets to help stage violent riots without silly rocks.  USA! USA!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:08 | 809128 cougar_w
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Before you give up on that idea entirely:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_mob

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:47 | 809322 tallystick
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Would you like a flash mob protest organizing site?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:07 | 809639 cougar_w
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If by that you mean @Anon_operations at Twitter, or irc.anonops.net or their mirrors or their 101 out-of-band channels ... I'm there. Once in a while.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:20 | 809687 tallystick
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What I'm thinking of doesn't exist yet I don't think. It would be like more of an open source public tracking system for banking criminals.  Flash protests would then be organized when one of the banking criminals makes a public appearance and becomes a target of opportunity for protestors.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:49 | 809763 cougar_w
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The F|3I would be all over it like white on rice. If they didn't DDo5 it out of existence first. "Prior restraint" free speech doctrine would probably go right out the window if it was bankers.

You need to take these discussion completely out-of-band. Like, drop them in the comments sections of random newspaper sports pages. You take over a thread about high school sports and use it for the ongoing ops. All you need do then is seed the page URL into the h4cktivist network and for 15 minutes you can share URLs and news. Then jump to another thread. Rinse+repeat.

Can do similar things in lRC but you need a cloud of random servers because the luzers and govvies take them out with low level packet storms. Anon lRC is nuked right now, for example. Having servers probably means jacking them, but I'm not advocating that at all. Too much trouble.

I'd like to see T0R implemented on smartphones somehow (anyone know of an HTTP poxy for that?) Combine that with on-board text encryption and you might have a good text-based system that's hard to backtrace. Flash mob yer booty off.

[all the misspellings above are tactical and deliberate. Learn and u will survive.]

-- 7eh c47

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:20 | 810100 tallystick
Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:34 | 809729 Problem Is
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In Amerika...
Flash mobs only work if there are free donuts...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:47 | 809017 centerline
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Over in Europe, protests and even more heated protests are much more common than here.  American's sit back and do nothing until all at once, they do something - with all the pent-up anger coming out at once.  The situation here will go from all quiet to "Rodney King South Central L.A." in a flash.  That is the problem.  One minute everyone is watching American Idol - the next minute everything is on fire and people are running around with flat screens and shooting each other.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:07 | 809132 cahadjis
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Yes, i agree. I'm Greek and i know we are completely incapable of governing ourselves ... but at least we have balls to stand up to the banksters that want little people to pay their bad gambles.

 

However, imagine the USA populous (the most armed civilians in the world!) suddenly going "greek"... i leave you with that image ... (and live in hope to see that day)

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809246 downrodeo
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The second amendment is the constitution's best fail-safe mechanism. In my opinion, it is the shining example of the vision and foresight of the founders.

You live in hope of seeing that day. It is my hope that we both (all of us, actually) live to see the days after that.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:23 | 809696 MachoMan
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Kind of...  it has a limited lifespan due to technological advances and the inability of J6P to arm tit for tat.  This was an incredible oversight on the part of the founding fathers...  among many others...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:54 | 810032 Founders Keeper
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[...it has a limited lifespan due to technological advances and the inability of J6P to arm tit for tat.]---MachoMan

Thanks for your post.

I think I know what you mean, but could you be more specific?  You're raising an important issue.  Am interested in your thoughts.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 09:05 | 811114 MachoMan
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I suppose it has multiple meanings, I think fitting largely into three broad categories: (1) weapons of mass destruction; (2) weapons that are prohibitively expensive but for the federal government; and (3) weapons that are "classified" and/or otherwise rendered illegal for normal citizens to own or operate.  Some items may fit into multiple categories...  Needless to say, the differences in the weapons available to citizens as protected by the second amendment and those afforded the federal government are so substantial as to effectively neuter the purpose of the second amendment.

(practically speaking, I am not sure how this difference can be reconciled, so I consider it a substantial blunder on the part of our founding fathers).

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:37 | 811790 downrodeo
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Of course, you're right about this. Still, even a bb gun is better than a wet noodle. The founders could never have conceived of many of the commonplace miracles of our day. I doubt their brains would be able to handle television if they ever encountered it. Who really knows. For what its worth though, I think that they had the right idea. Although, I have to agree with you that they lacked imagination when contemplating what would be possible in this time.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:24 | 812110 MachoMan
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While they were certainly capable of being domesticated via television, just like us, they were also pretty sharp, in general.  I'm confident their brains could handle tv.  However, they were ultimately human and, therefore, fallible. 

In large part, I think peoples' biggest problem with the discrepancies I've mentioned is that they hold the founding fathers in too high esteem...  they cannot reconcile their godlike viewpoint of the founding fathers with something that could possibly neuter the entire governmental system they created...  or at least a safeguard thereof.

Of course, the entire premise of armed insurrection being solely aimed at restoring constitutional prowess is laughable...  It's like the founding fathers didn't understand the rudimentary limitations of empathy...  (they can put themselves in others' shoes, but not "think" like others).  In the end, the second amendment has been subverted into protecting us from each other and not the tyranny of our government.  [seems a bit of a contradiction to have the concept of treason on the one hand and the second amendment on the other, no?]. 

It was doomed from the start.  The founding fathers, like all before them, merely stumbled upon a system of government...  in the end, suffering the same fate as every predecessor.  Literally, humans are incapable of the balancing act required by self governance on the scale of nation states...  it is patently impossible.  In the end, it is the illusion of freedom that allows a government to endure...  actual freedom is, in large part, mutually exclusive with government.  This is what the second amendment is all about.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:28 | 812456 Rick64
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 Well said. They wouldn't hold them in such high esteem if they studied real history. There were some that were well aware of the impossibility of any system but what alternative did they have, they had to implement some kind of system.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:38 | 809529 The Rock
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This needs to happen at 200 West Street (GS WW HQ).

http://tinyurl.com/2dz2mcm

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:01 | 809626 Marla And Me
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There is no way these Greek revelers could get away with that kind of behavior in North America.  Have you seen the SWAT teams the send just for the G20, WHO, etc.?  LRAD cannons, the Active Denial System (aka microwave cannon), etc. just for young punks who dare to oppose globalization.  There would be hell to pay the second a molotov cocktail is so much as lit, let alone thrown to the goons.  American police forces are a whole different breed.  They are trained to be on constant alert, and to essentially treat any encounter with anyone not wearing a badge as a potentially deadly.  Anyone who has crossed the border to and from Canada knows what I'm talking about.  American police enforcement even talk to you different (in that "respect my authoritay" Cartman kind-of-way).  It's nice to see that the Greek police forces still treat others as human beings.  American cops would not be so understanding.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:09 | 809648 cougar_w
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They can cover maybe a dozen cities at that depth.

The rest, burn.

And it's over.

1 week, tops.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:22 | 809692 Marla And Me
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That's a good point.  I'm not saying that there would be enough boots on the ground to defend nationwide chaos, should it ever come to that, but I know that the response would be very different.  Where would one be most likely to take their discontentment?  Washington?  The greeks took their outrage to the seat of power.  I posit that anyone throwing a cocktail states-side like the kids are doing in this video would be going home in a body bag.  It is merely an observation on the demeanor of the police forces, which come across much more humanely than our own jack-boot thugs.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:56 | 809793 cougar_w
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The demeanor comment is spot on. There will be a lot of meat on the street. No avoiding it.

Fock them, though. The pirates' code is in play: One hangs all hang. They'd better think about what that means when they roll out. There will be no shortage of rope once the bullets run out.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:03 | 809107 Marley
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"soon...coming to a place near you..

or palace.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:09 | 809143 gold_tracker
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Surprising to me is that there is pretty much a MSM blackout on it. I don't get it. Well, I do get it, but it's really frustrating.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:22 | 809204 RichardENixon
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Well for one thing, they don't want to give anyone in the U.S. any ideas, assuming that's even possible anymore.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:58 | 809374 dwdollar
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LOL..

I hear ya.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:24 | 809699 Worker Bee
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Is it wrong that this video makes me grin ear to fucking ear?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:31 | 809719 Worker Bee
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I grin ear to fucking ear when I see this..MOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRR!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:13 | 808836 John McCloy
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I have a feeling those officers are going to head home tonight..look at their family and then realize that the people throw MOLOTOV cocktails at them as they are forced to protect banking interests over their citizenry and say, "Fuck this shit"

  The moment the police strike it is all over. Wait till Ireland get's feisty.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:16 | 808851 jedimarkus
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then they lose those juicy pensions....  we will see how much and for how long the bribery of the muscle can last...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:33 | 808940 SheepDog-One
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'Juicy pensions' lol those are gone too.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:39 | 808965 chopper read
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agreed.  paper promises.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:14 | 809169 GoinFawr
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heh, yah won't the police be trying to protect the banksters in wheelchairs and walkers before they reach an age old enough to qualify for a pension?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:34 | 809265 Goldilocks
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Provided that … they live that long.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:16 | 808857 Cdad
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Dear Sir John,

You have a good point there.  Why wouldn't he just quit as he can then draw on pots of money deposited within Greece by the good graces of Germany.

But, and in any event, I have been led to believe that Greek people on fire in the streets is "Priced In."

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:35 | 808946 jus_lite_reading
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John, well said. The Irish are not known to be a calm people. They are a bit slow to react and "get it" but when they realize they're been duped by their gov'ts in order to bailout corrupt banksters, that's when you know things get ugly like elephant runs on a jet engine.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:56 | 809060 Id fight Gandhi
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The Irish cops are losing pension security and pay and jobs. You think they want to put their life on the line for the bankster liars that stole the country?

Our cops will turn too once they see normal people suffer under the shit they pull here.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:58 | 809376 centerline
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Via reliable "grapevine" information... the consensus as far as I have heard is that most police are as pissed off as the rest of us.  Can't say they would suddenly run to other side and join in - but to walk away from it at some point - yeah, I could see that.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:34 | 809504 Things that go bump
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What country?  

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 00:31 | 810734 StychoKiller
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Upper WatchaCallitstan!  Quit trying to peek at everyone's cards.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:48 | 809012 zirb
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What if people that join the police are more likely to be sadistic? Just like people that become politicians are more likely to be liars.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:58 | 809071 Cow
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I don't think it's the banking interests that are the object of their ire.  I think they view the government as the object.  Labor unions rioting with opportunistic anarchists against the government.

Their real ire should be against the banksters, but I don't feel like many, including many here in the US will understand that.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:28 | 809485 Gene Parmesan
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+1

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:32 | 809247 TheProphet
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The police won't strike. It's a good paying gig bashing in heads.

But they will eventually shoot back. Count on it.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:14 | 808840 High Plains Drifter
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If anyone did that here, they would be shot on sight.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:15 | 808852 Double down
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By whom?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:23 | 808894 High Plains Drifter
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let me ask you a question?  do you think you could throw a fire bomb at the cops in a situation like this, that happened in the states and get away with it? I tell you, you will not. If you don't get shot, you will be chased down and beaten and perhaps tazed for your trouble. Cops here don't act so nice.  They carry guns and they will use them under the force continuum policies. If it ever gets to the same point here, as this is, then I can assure you, national guard troops will be out in force. They do things a bit different here and are much more willing to do whatever it takes. This is the American way, of course. For example, look what they did to people at the WTO protest in Seatle back when.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:27 | 808912 traderjoe
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I don't immediately disagree with you. But this protest is after 6-12 months of this austerity program. As unemployment reaches 20% here (under current 'official metrics' but will by then be changed again) the sympathies of the police and local governments will change. 

In the Mardi Gras Seattle riot, police pulled back under orders even as roving gangs of people attacked others - leading to at least one death. 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:37 | 808959 Bob
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Agreed.  Those itching for civil disobedience here should realize that it wouldn't be happening on this scale there if not for the pain brought by official "austerity" programs imposed by bankster interests. 

We're not even close yet.  Viva la reserve currency. 

Stay tuned when the new "responsible" Congress convenes. 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:49 | 809028 Id fight Gandhi
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That'll be our black Friday. Best deals in town, five finger discounts all around. Fuck it, it's just Chinese made shit.

I really think that stealing and looting will be coming as the rich keep fucking the the rest of the people.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 00:35 | 810737 StychoKiller
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51% of Americans think it's more likely that scientists will clone dinosaurs in their lifetime, than it is that Congress will fix Social Security -- Newsweek, Dec 20th, 2010, pg 11,

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:38 | 808960 High Plains Drifter
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Well I think a lot of police here are confused about what is going on and are suspicious but they have families to feed and they want to get paid. One would hope that they would back off in any situation such as this for their sakes and for the sake of this country. In any war game played ( I am sure some of you play the game "what if"), there is a general consensus, that the cops will start taking casualties and then they will back off and wonder is it worth it, getting that check every week and why they are doing this etc. Then they will send in the NG , second wave. If that doesn't work, then they will send in the Immortals.

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:00 | 809086 moregoldplease
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They wont back off, they will shoot to kill. Then all bets are off. The national guard first, then the regular army. Then all the tough talk in the world won't be able to stand up to the harsh reaction.

 

This is exactly what the government wants. Violence. In Europe this kind of stuff is a spectator sport.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:51 | 809347 Goldilocks
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Maybe (the government wants some of this?) but the riot / revolution thing in Greece has been on going for years.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:15 | 809437 cougar_w
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Agreed. NG first, and very quickly the Army.

The US oligarch class is terrified of the US citizenry. In their black hearts they know they are surrounded and way out-gunned. And don't start in about how my tune will change going up against an M1 Abrams main battle tank, or a Bradley. The armored units will be hunting one another as crews defect. A day of that noise and it's over.

Nobody is going to kill fellow American's for banker interests. Not for long. Not with all the water that's gone under the bridge already. And for them trying to set it up they'll be dragged from their villas and torn to pieces. Their only hope is to leave the country for an isolated, obscure island. Not many of those that aren't already owned, it will be a real pleasure knowing that the oligarchs are pushing each other off the life boats to drown. Probably literally. And in the end we can find individually all if we want to, cut them off from lines of supply. I understand that starvation is a terrible way to die.

If they want war they can bring it. Only one way that's going to turn out.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:13 | 809664 woolly mammoth
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You made my day Cougar. Hope it plays out like that, though, it seems our military is mostly tied up over-seas and the hired mercenaries/private armies have a more aggressive, less moral mindset. Left you a message on your CD assisted contribution. Still need to read "The Exchange". So much going on in the world right now makes me think that life as we know it is in for some big changes in the not so distant future.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:03 | 809817 cougar_w
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I'm glad you found it useful.

Lesson: Don't talk to a cat about war. We never shut up. Seriously.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:58 | 810037 iDealMeat
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And in the end we can find individually all if we want to, cut them off from lines of supply.

Start right now..  Cut all your consumption in 1/2..  on every thing you do... Starve them and enrich yourself. You'll be healthier and happier..

Well probably not you specifically.. Cat's tend to be nimble.. But most others could definitely cut back and ride a bike once a week..

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:20 | 809686 chet
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I wish I could agree with you, but I can't.  American cops defend first themselves, and then The Order.  They won't reassess what the people want, they will violently crack down on it.

The initial "rioting" phase would be quashed relatively quickly, misrepresented in the media as a fringe movement, and used to scare the mid-to-upper middle classes into siding with TPTB.  True resistence in the US would likely be driven back underground, and then take the form of guerrilla actions. 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 03:49 | 810961 GoinFawr
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All this talk is making me wonder how many cops/armed forces/veterans visit ZH, and if any of those that do are of the 'off-duty' variety possessing actual functioning consciences

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:34 | 808942 JLee2027
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If the cops tried, the mob would win. Come on....they aren't stupid.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:36 | 808952 jus_lite_reading
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In America, the people own more guns than the police. Fact. Even my collection is enough to feed a small army.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:39 | 808971 High Plains Drifter
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Its true. We must stack it high and stack it deep.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:46 | 809010 jus_lite_reading
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When the time comes, I'm going John Wayne. Justice will come swifty to the frauds.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:01 | 809098 moregoldplease
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I guess you will be able to call on your significant combat experience. Most likely you will be shaking, pissing in your pants and looking for a place to hide. Do not wish for this.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:26 | 809223 RichardENixon
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Yep, that's what happens. Most people talking about how tough they will be when the time comes will be pointing out the real tough guys to the police when they arrive.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:45 | 809314 downrodeo
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My plan is to run to the hills and see if mother nature will be kinder to me than big brother. I know it is not likely to be so, but the way I figure it is, when you're up against the elements, you will not have to factor in crazy ass human behavior into your survival calculations. Granted, I'll probably be dead in a week, but I'll take freezing to death in the woods over beaten to death by blackwater goons because I got uppity and spit in their general direction.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:34 | 809505 merehuman
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sleeping bag, canteen, piece of plastic, tp paper. Carry too much slows you down. 

Running folks get noticed. Blend in.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:52 | 809592 Bring the Gold
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I like your stuff merehuman. 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:05 | 810064 iDealMeat
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Better yet.. Get some riot gear that looks like the real thing. And "hide" behind they're front line..

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:17 | 809677 THE DORK OF CORK
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You burn too many calories when in the hills - also you will not be alone.

Many more guys will have the same ideas and may be meaner.

What is it now 6 maybe 7 billion people on the planet - the place will turn into Mordor.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:43 | 810159 orgonor
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lol....

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:19 | 809450 cougar_w
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There will be some of that. For a little while.

And then there won't be.

You could go from nothing to blitzkrieg in a week. And once it's on, it's on like Donkey Kong.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:49 | 809774 Thanatos
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You are a sharp cookie cowboy.

Just like 92... We are not Europe. We can go from placid to rabid in 4 hrs.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:44 | 809759 Thanatos
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I hear the voice of someone who might have actual experience in these matters...

Cheers.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:01 | 809100 High Plains Drifter
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During the Hungarian revolution of 1956, the Hungarian freedom fighters went around killing their enemies for 3 days before the Russians came back in. I think they were encouraged to rebell, because they got the impression that the United States , would back then up, which we didn't of course. Another lousy fucking  by Ike.  The comparison about what went on there and what could happen here is appropriate in some ways, but one would sincerely hope that the outcome here would be , shall we say, a whole lot better.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:17 | 809184 GoinFawr
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forradalom!

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 16:30 | 809236 RichardENixon
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And when the Soviets regained control they would do things like take a female freedom fighter, shove a mouse into her vagina, sew it up and let the creature try to gnaw it's up to way to freedom. Or they would take a guy, insert a small glass tube into his uretha, then smack his dick a few times until the tube shattered. In those days, the Soviets knew how to put down an insurrection.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:54 | 809601 RichardENixon
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Why is everyone junking me? I got that information from a very well researched book by James Michener called The Bridge at Andau, about the Hungarian Revolution and the brutal Soviet reaction.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 17:57 | 809618 Bring the Gold
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It seems as of late unless you post something extremely neutral you get junked. What you wrote was horrifying that's for sure. Historical accuracy or not, maybe people didn't like the imagery?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:17 | 809680 RichardENixon
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Who knows. A lot of people post on the internet about what they'll do when the shit hits the fan, and how badass they'll be. My point is that things can get really, really nasty, almost all of us are unprepared for the worst, and had better hope it never comes down.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:52 | 809776 Thanatos
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I like your posts, your Avatar and your Name!

Efff the Junkers.

Keep informing us.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:45 | 809991 MachoMan
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There is no shame in avoiding confrontation, especially confrontation certain to lead to your demise and that of loved ones.  Even our shellshocked troops will be dumbfounded to come home to an american civil war...  many have seen unspeakable horrors and will still be shocked.  Even the most highly trained of people are not ready for what may ensue...  I'm not sure about the other e-warriors, but I am too risk averse to hope for any such situation and, in all likelihood, I would be as well prepared as any.  Sometimes you do not have to be humiliated to learn a little humility.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:10 | 810541 BrosMacManus
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Agree. I read some of these comments, and wonder who in their right mind would want to be part of those Greek style riots here in the good ole USA. That's the last damn place I'd want to be. I'm thinking it's the anarchists, commies and psychos; they want to see it all burn.

Now, what would it take to bring out the people like those of us that don't want to be anywhere near cluster phuck like that? Whatever it is, THAT's when the wheels come off. The wheels are creaking, but a damn sight far away from falling off, imvho.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:40 | 808973 Bob
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Flammable fluids are at least as much of a problem against body armor as bullets, no?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:44 | 808995 TruthInSunshine
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It depends.

Even the best body armor is not likely to do much against .308, 30-06 and other popular hunting cartidges.

And even mid-level body armor won't defeat 'lighter' rounds like 7.62 and 5.56. AP and other penetrating rounds in these calibers will even defeat plate armor.

Body armor is really best defense against handgun rounds.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:51 | 809023 Bob
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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 15:53 | 809045 High Plains Drifter
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All good things come to those who wait Bob.  :)

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