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Video Of Jet Shot Down Over Benghazi, Unclear Whose As Gaddafi Claims He Is Holding To Ceasefire Terms
A dramatic video of a Libyan jet being shut down over Libya has been captured and is making the rounds in the YouTube-sphere. As the Independent observes, "A warplane was today shot down outside the opposition stronghold of Benghazi, as international leaders including David Cameron gathered in Paris to make final preparations to impose a no-fly zone over Libya. The jet was observed over the city for some time before reportedly going down in flames, amid the sound of artillery and gunfire. " Yet what is surprisingly and potentially surreal is the stiff insistence by the Libyan government that they continue to preserve the terms of the ceasefire announced yesterday: "Libyan authorities insisted that their forces were holding to a ceasefire announced yesterday and repeated an invitation for international observers to enter the country today to monitor it. Deputy foreign minister Khaled Kaim told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "The ceasefire is real, credible and solid. We are willing to receive observers as soon as possible, even today." Rebel sources claim that military assaults by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi on cities including Benghazi, Misrata and Ajdabiya continued even after the ceasefire announcement." Which begs the question: is Gaddafi really an idiot, or are these merely false flag provocations by the rebel alliance (with or without the assistance of France) to encourage an escalation? The answer should be promptly revealed once it is determined just who was flying the downed jet. We are confident the media will first investigate such an answer before jumping to conclusions.
And false flag or not, the French waste no time to confirm that by No Fly Zone, the UN also means a land-based intervention as well.
French war planes destroyed four Libyan tanks in air strikes to the south west of the Libyan city of Benghazi on Saturday, Al Jazeera television reported, quoting sources.
Earlier, the first shot in a UN-mandated intervention in Libya was fired by a French aircraft and destroyed a military vehicle at around 1645 GMT, French defense ministry and army officials said.
"A first target was engaged and destroyed," ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire told reporters.
An armed forces spokesman told the same briefing that the operation to halt Muammar Gaddafi's advance on rebel forces involved around 20 planes and an area 100 km by 150 km (60 by 100 miles) around the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
France's Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will leave France for Libya on Sunday, the spokesman added. A central command center for the operation was still being set up.
Earlier Saturday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced that Western air forces, with Arab League approval, had gone into action over Libya and were preventing Gaddafi's forces from attacking Benghazi.
We are confident that Sarkozy at el will also waste no time in also ensuring complete air and land dominance over the Ivory Coast next, where the regime of deranged dictator Gbagbo continues to kill citizens left and right in what some claim is a manifestation of a far more violent civil war than Libya.
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And yet again TD hits the airwaves first before the LSM gets the story.
1. The plane is from the Rebels
2. Khaddfy is smarter than US, and even more so than Hosni, if it escalates, it will be bloddy. (He has been in power for 40 years!, lunatic, he might be.)
3. Watch German, China, Russia and even Brazil not voting with this...
4. North Korea will never give up their nukes now..
5. Where are the Japan Nuclear news? People die and people lives, Nuclear Radiation is forever...
6. The hypocrisy of our policy toward Bahrain, Yemen and Syria... At least made up a fear factor like a WMD and take one for the team like Bush did...
Yeah. Every report I've found say it was a rebel jet. I can't find any that claim it was one of Gaddafi's.
Al Jazeera just confirmed it was a rebel jet and it was also shot down by the rebels by "mistake".
Saturday morning, around 6am EST, every one was saying that it was a Goddafi / Kahdaffi / Gaddafhy 's jet. Which was quite a startling sight. They never bother to change it.
For all we know, the French shot it down... and making it a REAL no-fly-zone.
How ironic...
It's like TD is the Re-incarnation of Walter Cronkite.
That's one for the bad guys......er....the good guys.....er.....could someone tell me which side God is on? Or at least which side is just and honorable. OK, I'll settle for "legal".
You know what, just tell me when to cheer and how much to put in the hat when it's passed around.
/sarcasm in case it's not clear.
The belt buckles on one side say" We die for Allah" while the patches on the uniforms of the other side say "We kill for Allah". The third side has "God is Peace" on their helmets and the fourth(?) side has "We love to tread" on their boots. I'll just root for the Packers, thanx.
Damned cheese head! The Stealers would have won but for bought out officiating!
;)
Too bad we might not have a NFL season... Think about it, we are about to enter war, (or damn close) with some dictator that we can't even spell...
I can never forget the 2008 game between giants and patriots...
And I certainly won't forget the 2012 game between bankers and patriots
+1
"/sarcasm in case it's not clear."
geez, that ruined the whole post by insulting my intelligence. What a Debbie Downer...
A year ago I could write that and everyone on ZH would know it was sarcasm. Today without the sarcasm tag it would certainly get 6 junks and two nasty comments by people who wouldn't know humor or sarcasm if they tripped over it. It is a sign of the times and of ZH's popularity. It is what it is, so now I use the /sarc tag.
Long form or short form, I always enjoy your contributions to this site, CD. Thank you for keeping it real.
I think I just found my other fan. :>)
Thank you for your kind words and encouragement. It really does help to keep me going sometimes. So thanks.
These are the diminishing returns of technology.
your first mistake is assuming there is a "God."
Is ZH going to acknowledge in this post that this was a rebel jet shot down by Gaddafi forces, not one of Gaddafi's jets shot down by the French?
Absolutely. Do you have a link/proof?
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110319/twl-rebel-jet-shot-down-by-libyan-tr...
Don't be absurd. Look CLOSELY at the plane. It's CLEARLY a Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star. So this was yet another Iranian provocation - breaking the UN no-fly resolution!
When will Israel liberate us from this deadly threat to our peace and freedom?
Bear in mind, the no-fly-zone resolution was done YESTERDAY! This is a REBEL plane up in the air TODAY! There are reports that this wasn't even shot down, but rather out of fuel, or even shot down by the rebels.
I believe no one, not the French, Rebels, Khaddfy, Qaddfi, Qadafy, or USA.
It is ALL BS!
There is no way to convince Kim Jong Il or his son to abandon Nuclear Weapons now. Look at Libya. If I have a regime, I am keeping my big baby...
Don't be ridiculous. NK would have never abandoned nuclear weapons, no matter what.
You thing I gowna abandon nucrear weapon now? You clazy! I now inlease!
- Kim out
Mig-23. But thanks for the chuckle and the ounce of sarcasm :)
go smoke another bowl and turn Alex Jones up WAY loud :-/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/19/us-libya-benghazi-jet-idUSTRE7...
Yup, saw that too. TD note also the time stamp at 12:46 EDT. If you need donates to beef up your feeds and screens I would guess that there are more than a few who would consider it.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/201131934914112208.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/03/2011319175243968135.html
@ M457
and are you going to acknowledge that barry's basketball brackets are 29/32 ? well, are ya?
The proof requested was as to who had shot down the jet.
The jet was in violation of the no-fly-zone, so according to U.N. resolution, it shouldn't be on the air... So anybody can shoot it down, right?
I took this "mistake" to mean they shot it down, but it could also be read as ambiguous.
I concur. Mistake = "ooops.. sorry, my bad"
Well as several people have already said, it is a no fly zone after all.
Lord knows, Libya has flies.. wish I could get some of them there missile thingies during the summer time for those skeeters :p
Way back when.....my mother always referred to "the skeeter problem" as if she were talking about "the commie problem" or "those stupid politicians".
She was a devoted Kool-Aid drinker. But that was the left-right, good-bad, black-white conditioning back then. Not much different today for many.
hehe.. we're showing our age aren't we (as in both of us). Those damn skeeters..they're like commies; all over the place as my father would say. I have to give them (the brain washers) credit. They had me for a while and they're pretty good at what they do. Which is why, when the SHTF, I really don't want to be in general population. I don't think I have enough ammo..lol
It seems even more bizarre, as European media are now suggesting the downed jet to have been a rebel aircraft hit by friendly, i.e. rebel fire.
Problem solved. The rebels shot themselves down.
Probably the first hit since the war started. Ha! ;0
Sarcasm off/
Really, and you believe it ?
Where is their airbase, how many aircrafts do they have, why did they asked a no-fly zone ?
They admitted it was their own plane. The rebels aren't a bunch of civilians with pitchforks and torches. Some of the Libyan military defected.
They didn't ask for a no-fly zone. They wanted the West to get rid of Gaddhafi.
I am betting it was the French shooting down a rebel.lol.
good for the economy.. demolished jet theory.. Ben says to keep shooting everything down
It is not being followed by the MSM, but it is a no-fly-zone. and the FIRST hit was their own rebel jet... I guess this cease fire thing is real... NO-FLY-ZONE it is!
A small (getting bigger) part of me thinks that all of this is pre-arranged... Gaddafi knows what was coming and the "coaliation" gave him time to prepare...
It's all a show...
The only thing, no body ever thought... at least manufacture, is the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear radiation... But it's been a busy 10 days, that is for sure!
I agree, Al Jazheera reported more than 6 hours ago that it was believed to be a rebel jet shot down by loyalist Gaddafi forces. It is also possible that it has been shot down by rebels (friendly fire) as they were using anti aircraft guns at the same time.
Truth is we don't know all the facts but the chances of it being shot down by the French are virtually Nil. Didn't take the French long to broadcast to the world via their defence ministry about their taking out of Libyan tanks not a peep about the plane.
the rebels have jets? ok, that's a new one. What's next, the Japanese reactors are going to have a nuclear explosion.... rhetorical question.
Several Libyan pilots flew their aircraft to Malta early on and defected. One of them perhaps?
do the rebels have nukes? they seem to be progressing,
technologically, at a very rapid pace. what else do they
have that they have been keeping secret? i don't know
if we can trust these particular rebels.
The story I read earlier said it was a rebel plane.. the story said they only had one plane ? did not say how they got it ... very confusing story...
So if the "rebels" are flying in a no fly zone...do we shoot them down too?
That's a good question, but I'm pretty sure it means any agressor's aircraft.
Why do you believe everything said by the media ?
Why do you believe Gaddhafi is a bad guy? Was it from media reports?
I also find it interesting that all dem gubbermints decided to 'intervene' as soon as these particular rebels lost control of the oil infrastructure.
False Flag, bitchez!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Air_Force#Current_air_force_equipment
You proof first that rebels have an airport, airplanes and suddenly their plane is shot.
The news come from Sky news reporter from Tripoli which is based under Gaddafis control.
""Sky's Lisa Holland, reporting from the Libyan capital of Tripoli under restrictions...."
Hey dummy, Benghazi has an airport. The rebels are in control of Benghazi. Many Libyan military members defected early on. Put your two brain cells together. It's not that impossible that they have more than pitchforks and torches. How do you think they drove Gaddhafi forces out of so many cities early on? It wasn't with knives and fists.
I would love to see this happen in the US. I keep waiting for all of these "hunters" with guns to supposedly start something when their own turn against them. Well, your brothers just busted down the door of NotHaus and you sit there with your thumbs up your ass waiting.
Not that I'm going to run out against the biggest military in the world. You'd have to be an idiot. However 6 months ago, everyone here assured each other that as soon as they went against their own they would get to it.
Yeah right
Don't expect Montana rednecks to start any time soon a rebellion. They are too busy talking about it.
The inbred liberals like Al Gore and 0bama keep talking about carbon credits while blowing methane gas out of their mouths
How do you figure Nothaus is a brother to "hunters". One thing you may learn from the Chinese is patience. Why stop the TPTB from destroying themselves. I'll just hang around and pick up the pieces.
Bide your time. The play will start soon enough.
I am Chumbawamba.
I keep waiting for all these envirowacko nuts that rail about corporations to stop using electricity from coal, nuclear power, oil used to produce plastic, and fuel sold by corporations. They assure us that they only want green energy and a pure environment.
Yeah right
BTW - that was a nice stretch trying to link gun rights to the US bombing of Libya. You would be a perfect propagandist for Bernanke.
Wow! The french have really lost it. Can one man's compensation for his miserable height and other assorted issues really take us down like this? I know, it's more than that.
Where is the "not in my name" movement now?
7 years on and the world is tired, drooping, TV addicted, Earthquake shell-shocked.
Sheep to the slaughter.
The backlash will be fearsome, count on it.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/axis-trembles/
Interesting. I was thinking along the same lines about his height. But then it occurred to me that Napoleon was even shorter, and he almost took over the world.
CD, I love your daily comments as they bring a hearty smile to my otherwise skeptical existence.
Kudos to your wit, sarcasm and unfiltered honesty.
Cheers,
Pipgen
Since they are enforcing a "no fly zone", am I to assume that the Libyans have flying tanks? Sweet.
Damn good point.
:)
I don't believe the French will actually get it's Aircraft carrier away from it's pier and move it to Libya under it's own power. It's Aircraft Carrier program has been a disaster from day one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-Ilve1ZYc
Tyler, change headline please from shut to SHOT.
Cheers,
Pigpen
dude! SOB was shut down, wasn't he?
Hypocrisy is a fair claim but do not rationalize that just because you don't intervene everywhere you should not at least intervene anywhere.
the rebels have an air force? what is this,
the rebels have an air force? where did the rebels
get an air force? they go from burning themselves
in the street to flying military jets in one months
time?
just last week all they had were squirrel rifles?
what does george galloway have to say about this
mess, i wonder.
this one story has put me back to square one on this thing.
who bought the rebels an air force?
Should we intervene in Libya?With talk of intervention in Libya growing, George Galloway argues against British involvement, while Conservative MP Mark Pritchard says inaction is not an option. Susanna Rustin adjudicates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/12/conversation-libya-intervention-george-galloway
Go do some research before spouting rubbish. The 'air force' that the rebels has is only made up of a planes that defected from towns the rebels seized. They also have tanks (!!) from military defectors as well.
@ " .. planes that defected from towns.."
where did you learn this? i find it curious. ( spouting rubbish ).
please clarify/sharpen your point.
From the BBC earlier today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
Where are the french protesters who marched against U.S. intervention in Iraq? Why aren't they protesting now?
Where are the American protesters? Gitmo is still open and the U.S. has ramped up the troops in Afghanistan since 2008, yet the protesters have disappeared.
Cigarette thin differences between the two...
Obama and democrats employ the jedi mind trick.........................these are not the droids yuor looking for...........
They're on spring break in Wisconsin.
How the fuck do you say "NO BLOOD FOR OIL" in french?
Got it.
Pas de sang pour du pétrole!
Pas de sang pour du pétrole!
Pas de sang pour du pétrole!
Pas de sang pour du pétrole!
Pas de sang pour du pétrole!
Drill baby drill?
-Sean Hannity
The "air force" of the rebels is most likely pilots from Ghaddafi's air force who defected taking their planes with them. Maybe I should have said plane as that was probably their only one along with one helicopter gunship they are said to have "made fit for service".
so this genius decides to take his stolen plane for a ride
into a u.n. no fly zone. got it.
Victory lap.
@ "victory lap"
premature.
some love the smell of burning
jet fuel in the after life.
?
Perhaps this pilot was in communication with UN forces. He may have been acting as a willing decoy or agreed to draw fire from Gadhaffi's forces. It would be important to establish who the "good" guys are from the "bad".
Perhaps the genius was attacking Gaddhafi forces and got shot down.
Why don't they just find out what bunker the Khadaff is in and just kill him. This would be over with a few "Shock and Awe" bunker busters and we can get back to business.
The 15-ton behemoth — called the 'massive ordnance penetrator,' or MOP — will be the largest non-nuclear bomb in the U.S. arsenal and will carry 5,300 pounds of explosives.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220021/The-ultimate-bunker-buster-U-S-military-speeds-plans-biggest-bomb.html#ixzz1H4joceOd
He will deliver his next rambling diatribe from the Angelina Jolie Home for Libyan Orphans in Tripoli, surrounded by small children holding flowers and singing praises to his greatness.
The Military channel wouldn't be able to tell stories about the ground battles then. That doesn't make for an interesting line-up of programming.
you need to play a whole season and make a lot of money on this before you bother with declaring a winner.. actually its just the money, no one needs to win except the ones selling the weapons
The present version is that it was the rebels own jet, shot by rebels themselves and on this video cheered as it falls with shouts of "Alah Akbaar". It shows a war exactly as it is, a time where truth becomes even harder to see than usually. Both of these sides are intent on revenge, and it is difficult to see this ending quickly. French just got sucked in.
Awesome. The rebels shot down their only plane. What a clusterfuck.
"friendly fire"....happens to crack troops...what ya expect here?
You stole my profile picture. Not cool. Do you work for the FED?
It is a coincidence that we have both liked this picture enough to put as the avatar. Are you stupid to really think somebody stole it from you ( or that you own it )?
one of you should just make the color yellow or gold.
that would be good.
You answered my question. Thanks Ben.
And you answered my question too...well done for a dummie like you.
Chill. I think he was joking
I hope so. No way to tell, is there?
America just fired cruise missiles from subs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/19/libya-live-blog-gadhafi-to-obama-sa...
is their an accountant on the ground that has to approve each missile being shot?? where is the austerity!!!
my ignorance talking here, let us hear...
the rebels don't have aircraft. period.
the rebels don't have anti aircraft weapons. period.
now figure out what happened starting there and know
what you read and see is a lie. good luck
Listen do this, gentleman. We assure you that the "Allah Akbar" is true. Or even better, go ask him, blind sheeple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0VioZxMFXw
And remember, before the unrest, Lybia was a peaceful place...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyHOVAuLcqg&feature=fvwrel
yep , the missiles are fallign on tripoli
* Loud Blasts Heard East Of Libyan Capital Tripoli - Witnesses
Colin Powell from his book
"“As soon as they tell me it’s limited, it means they do not care whether you achieve a result or not. As soon as they tell me ‘surgical,’ I head for the bunker.”
And to keep german sheeple distracted, they just had Knut "die":
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/19/berlin-zoo-beloved-polar-bear-kn...
Blasts Heard East Of Tripoli - Witnesses
TRIPOLI (AFP)--Several loud blasts were heard east of the Libyan capital of Tripoli Saturday
evening and balls of fire could be seen on the horizon, witnesses told AFP.
3 submarines sending all they got... french planes back to france while the missiles fly
I'm confused.
Since when does enforcing a NF include attacking tanks and military vehicles on the ground?
Pretty much since the Orwellian concept was invented.
It is a US world order, expect duplicity at every turn.
See the resolution. Its about protecting (unarmed?) civilians. It rules out ground forces. No fly zone is just a catch phrase.
New global exclusion zone. No government shall be allowed to murder its own unarmed citizens. How quaint.
lil slow, here is a link to the full resolution
and for all you legal eagles out there, I guess the courts will have to sort out whether a member of an armed "resistance" is a civilian
Already done. They are illegal combatants.
Okay, so now the UN is defending illiegal combatants?
they are defending Big Oil interests.. that is their only sponsor
Strategically I can understand Libya, but avoiding another Biafra and stepping up stability around Nigeria is a an equally good use of French forces.
US fired cruise missiles confirmed...............
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/19/france-fires-libyan-military-vehicle/
Wow! 112 crusie missiles- serious shit!
quick what other pensions can we drop to pay for more missiles!!??
Any serious no fly zone will impliment AA surpession as a component -- once a radar is turned on its show time. Once that is cleared out then they can run a cap with no worries about AA.
One of the many well deserved..., ahem, reputations of the French, is that they can't be bothered to squawk the right frequencies or check for transponders, codes, and such. This will get messy. I think it already has, or maybe as the church lady liked to say "What a coincidink!"
Where are the Guidos? Don't they have their panties in a knot over Libya?
Muammar Gaddaf's Note to Self;
Next time, need to declare that I will protect the Libyan oil wells with the blood of my family... and offer 10..., no, a 20% discount on a barrel of oil to buyers from France.
The "good guys" need to accelerate their plan of attack before the dollar loses all of its value.
BTW, does Gaddafi have a blog? If not, he can surely use one right about now.
here is the video
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2011/mar/19/libya-fighter-jet-shot...
hard to tell if it was hit by a missle or AA round. though the turbine kept up power and aircraft was hit in the center igniting the fuel tank behind the pilot suggesting AA as a heat seaker many times will take the tubine out
that's some nicely pruned trees there
when are 'Qaddafi supporters' going to be switched to insurgents?? this is so phony - no wonder Sheen thinks he can do road tour.. what effort is needed these days for the sheeple?
"Which begs the question: is Gaddafi really an idiot, or are these merely false flag provocations by the rebel alliance (with or without the assistance of France) to encourage an escalation?"
this is precisely the right question....one thing i have learned from my years as a media savant - to be confused with idiot savant - is that the media is heavily manipulated and intentionally lies....sometimes even when they don't intend to lie, they lie because they are dupes in games bigger than they could ever hope to play.
as repulsive as qadaffi is, i am not so sure that seeing is believing....i smell the heavy trench-foot laden foot of the cia in so much of this....
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/19/us-libya-benghazi-jet-idUSTRE72I2XM20110319
The rebs shot their own mig down? Cmon guys, you are gonna have to get your shit together if you are to even have a chance.....
Qadaffi is a liar of major proportions. One of his ministers recently affirmed that Qadaffi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing... so he's also a bonafide terrorist, at least by the west's definition.
Wait a minute, where does Jimmy the Greek stand on this?