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Video Of Tsunami Smashing Into Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant; Reactor 1 Radiation Counter "Breaks" After Reporting 100 Sieverts/Hour

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Better late then never. Almost a full month after the March 11 earthquake generated a tsunami strong enough to cripple the Fukushima nuclear power plant, TEPCO has finally released a video of the 45 foot waves coming to land and resulting in the biggest nuclear catastrophe since Chernobyl. As CNN explains what is patently obvious, the video shows the giant wave generated by the historic March 11
earthquake crashing over the plant's seawall and engulfing the facility,
with one sheet of spray rising higher than the buildings that house the
plant's six reactors. Tokyo Electric Power, the plant's owner, told
reporters the wall of water was likely 14 to 15 meters (45 to 48 feet)
higher than normal sea levels -- easily overwhelming the plant's 5-meter
seawall.

This, of course, is in the past. What is far more disturbing is that the official Fukushima data from the Ministry of Economics, Trade and Industry, which has so far provided the most comprehensive daily data dump on Fukushima, has stopped reporting the dry well radiation reading in Reactor 1. This is the same reactor where following Thursday's Earthquake, METI represented a mindblowing reading of 100 Sieverts/hour in the dry wall: a number on par with the worst data out of Chernobyl. Did the earthquake terminally break something in Reactor 1, or will the excuse be that another radiation counter turned up faulty after it was Made In Taiwan.

h/t Crazy Cooter

 

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Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:01 | 1153363 AN0NYM0US
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if it took a 45' wave to do in FUKU that actually speaks well of the industry, though not so well of those who were involved in site selection

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:25 | 1153422 Ident 7777 economy
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From yesterday, links by PhattyBuoy, on Fri, 04/08/2011 - 20:32, #1152179

The radiation level of the dry well of the Reactor 1 Container Vessel has been rather high, and fluctuating, indicating that the reactor is far from stable.

#1 Drywell readings between 30 Sv & 50 Sv for the last 3 weeks !
http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=1

#2 Sv readings DryWell & SupressionChamber
http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=2

#3 Sv readings DW & SC
http://atmc.jp/plant/rad/?n=3

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by Ident 7777 economy, on Fri, 04/08/2011 - 21:31, #1152348

Geez ... Drywell (D/W) #1 showing 100 (one hundred) Sv/h (not milli, not micro) at the moment!

Reactor #1 D/W Sv/Hr [Friday's chart]: http://oi52.tinypic.com/200d15z.jpg

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:43 | 1153457 Slartebartfast
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I believe that at 100Sv/h you would receive a borderline lethal dose in 5 to 6 minutes.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:28 | 1153554 mt paul
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about as long 

as it would take you to

 smoke a lucky strike ....

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:53 | 1154314 mick_richfield
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:00 | 1153907 SilverRhino
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10,000 Rems/Hour:  166 Rems / Minute : 3 minutes to LD 50 lethal dose (498).  

Quote: Typically, the LD 50/30 is in the range from 400 to 450 rem (4 to 5 sieverts) received over a very short period.

Source: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/basic-ref/glossary/lethal-dose-ld.html 

By comparison the worse dosage rates for Chernobyl were the "bio-robots" at 7,000 Rems/Hr on the roof of the reactor.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:32 | 1153560 tallen
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Radiation is good for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FNFF61E_Dg&feature=player_embedded

100Sv = 100 happyness per second.

Turn the MSM on, everything is GREAT!

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:03 | 1154041 privet
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Looks like she might be right.

 

Go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=search&db=pubmed

and type in "radiation hormesis".  Lots of papers on the subject.

 

I tried to read an Ann Coulter book once.  It was awful.  I didn't finish it.  But I'm impressed that she's got 'balls' enough to come out and discuss this stuff in public, given the ridicule she must be taking.  Good for her.

 

Obviously there's a level of radiation that's bad, the question is, what is the effect of much lower levels.  It looks like that's not really known.

 

 

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:36 | 1154086 pods
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Oh she's got the balls all right.

And the Adam's apple, and.......................

pods

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:59 | 1154236 gall batter
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coulter's 'radiation is good for you' is yesterday's news.  truth is that this is the catastrophe of our times.  worse than Chernobyl.  this submerges all other stories--renders the question of who won, Boner or Obambi, and the budget to a level of haha distraction.  same as O's birth certificate.  who gives a shit where he was born?  there's radiation pouring into the Pacific, entering our atmosphere, our food chain, our mouths, our lungs, our pores, our armpits, our CHILDREN.   

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:43 | 1154103 macholatte
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It's the sound of her voice that does it for me. That finger-nails-on-the-blackboard kind of sexy that so few women have.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:01 | 1154135 Stormdancer
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Your link is glaringly generic.  How about you be the guinea pig, eh?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:19 | 1154169 privet
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The link is generic because that way it's a link to all the papers on the subject rather than being cherry picked.

I'm going to read some of those papers in detail.  My next stop.  I'm constantly looking for ways to improve my health.  If it turns out there's convincing evidence that low level radiation exposure does that, then I may well look into ways to get some.  Maybe park some granite slabs under my bed or something :)

It's ironic.  I had a double pelvic-abdominal CT scan some years back, which wasn't really necessary, and have been silently fuming at the physician who ordered it ever since over the 1 in 400 risk of death from cancer that the linear-no-threshold model of radiation exposure says I have as a result.  Now I'm starting to wonder if she actually may have reduced my future cancer risk.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:07 | 1154251 Stormdancer
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So, you're advocating an assumption based on "numerous" scientific papers you haven't read yet.  Otay :)

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:57 | 1154466 privet
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I "advocated" nothing.

 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 01:28 | 1154491 Stormdancer
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Looks like she might be right....

 

You're welcome to your opinion, and I really didn't mean to make a mountain out of a molehill.  It just seems awfully suspicious that these kinds of dubious claims come out at a time when huge numbers of people are confronting the possibility of being dosed with truly health threatening levels of radiation over the next few years.

 

The fact that there *might* be some negligible level of radiation that's somehow "good" for you (and I don't buy that at all yet) doesn't have any relevance to the situation at hand.

 

It might be an intellectual curiousity at this point, but if there is any truth to it... just how could that be related to widespread, wildly varying levels of exposure likely to be encountered as a result of this accident?

 

If there were a "healthful" level of radiation exposure you'd find it administered in a controlled medical setting.....not by doing timed walks through specified "hot zones" :)

 

So, satisfy your curiousity if you will....I love to do that myself.  But this whole "radiation hormesis" hypothesis is nothing but a bullshit distraction from the horror of uncontrolled releases of radiation purveyed by a bought and paid for globalist mouthpiece.

 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 01:36 | 1154502 privet
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You might be right too :)

 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:23 | 1154622 Bicycle Repairman
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"radiation hormesis"

Fuck you.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:19 | 1153449 A Man without Q...
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It's a shame you can only junk once....

edit:  fortunately enough agreed with me for the post to be consigned to history..

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:57 | 1153900 Rula Lenska
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It's been consigned to oblivion.  If it were still here it'd be consigned to history.  I arrived too late to share in the delight....perhaps I'm lucky?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:20 | 1153540 hognutz
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I feel sorrry for the japanese folks......:-(

covert you sir.........never mind, words ain't enough

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:34 | 1153565 BigJim
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I know, I don't understand it either, the Japanese aren't muslims plotting our downfall.

(/sarc, as if I need it)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:26 | 1153661 stewie
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My god I'm so sick of this spammer. Tyler please revoke his account.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:14 | 1154164 moneymutt
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this was a 1000 year tsunami, sea walls made of back to bake retaining walls, mostly of earth/rock with some horizontal layers of geosynthetic reinforcement could have been affordably built to 50 feet high, its basically the way great wall of china was made reinforcesoil with hardened/block face. They've built many similar earth filled back to back retaining walls for elevated bullet train tracks that have survived earth quakes like near Kobe even when they weren't designed for Kobe level. Affordable and tsunami of this sixe was in their historical record and was 200 years overdue according to geologists

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:25 | 1154623 Bicycle Repairman
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"this was a 1000 year tsunami"

Proof?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 22:00 | 1154245 BlackholeDivestment
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My friend, I was in Japan when I first learned about earthquakes. I lived through a few of them while I was there. When I first learned about Tsunamis I was at this Temple (read the note about the 9.0 quake and tsunami in this video some one put on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLke_B0A0Oc) ...now when I first found out about what a Tsunami can do, I recall being told that this buddha had a roof over it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTJhVdPA-U4&feature=related My point being, they certainly had more than enough forsight of the potential for a ''combined disaster''. This is no game card number 7 accident, right? ...they just knew it was a good idea to put a nuke plant on sand by the sea shore near a fault line on an island prone to serious earth quakes because they are not even smart enough to run a power plant safely? They must at least be smart enough to have insurance for such disaster, like they had for WTC 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100 right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF0J5WM1iA0&feature=related

P.S. Japanese people are some of the smartest people. I can't explain any of this as being normal, more like paranormal and plain freaky stuff that just fits well with all the weird things upon this generation.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:00 | 1153368 malikai
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I saw a better shot on the 14th or so, from a stationary camera at a similar location. It showed the seawall getting hit. I think the video has been taken down though since I can't find it again.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:04 | 1153504 Azannoth
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Putting nuclear power plants on the shoreline knows to have relatively frequent tsunamis is the most riddiculous thing ever, why not put them at the top of a volcano next ?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:13 | 1153520 banksterhater
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dup

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:14 | 1153521 banksterhater
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They need COOLING WATER, that's why. Why do you think the US ones are on rivers? Duh...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:28 | 1153553 patb
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Given Global Warming, are any of these endangered?

Climate Change has dramatically increased flooding in some areas, like when Nashville took a 18 inch rainstorm in a day and flooded most of the city.  Iowa City went underwater a fw years back.  Are any nuclear plants now vulnerable to extreme rain events?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:30 | 1153780 Transformer
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What is this Climate Change crap?  The climate is always changing.  What happened to Global Warming?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:00 | 1153837 OrestesPenthilu...
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It's now "global climate disruption".  See how easy this is?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:24 | 1153863 Thorny Xi
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The WEATHER changes. The climate has been stable for 10,000 years. That's why we've been able to, as a species, develop agriculture and progress beyond a long stasis point of a small collection of nomadic hunters and gatherers.  Tyler, perhaps you need a harder CAPCHA to screen for something besides ability to use the Windows calculator.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:40 | 1153880 Zardinuk
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you use a calculator for those?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:19 | 1153996 skeptik
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ROFLMAO!  +1 internets

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:24 | 1154179 Dental Floss Tycoon
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Given the wild climatic swings of the past, you would be hard pressed to prove that the earth has a climate.  

Ten thousand years is only about 1 percent of the time that man like creatures have inhabited the earth.  Seems irrational to assume that it will last forever.  Just a blink in time.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:30 | 1154431 Bent Nail
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"Tyler, perhaps you need a harder CAPCHA to screen for something besides ability to use the Windows calculator."

 

Ok, how about one like this?

Please enter the next number in the sequence: 61, 52, 63, 94,  . . .

 

 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 04:00 | 1154578 RichardP
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Something 5.  65?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 07:17 | 1154645 tarpuranus
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Uh...145?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 09:18 | 1154743 Crumbles
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4² = 16 = 61 5² = 25 = 52 6² = 36 = 63 7² = 49 = 94 8² = 64 = 46 9 ² = 81 ...

Duh

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:43 | 1153580 DoctoRx
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San Onofre, Diablo Canyon:  On Pacific Ocean, both knowingly built on fault lines.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:07 | 1153627 Pchelar
Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:10 | 1153380 cossack55
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How do you say "Go back, wave, or we'll nuke ya." in Japanese. On second thought, forget it.

 

And, you know, a 5 meter sea wall next to the freakin Pacific Ocean.  Was Katrina and NO not covered on NHK?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:07 | 1153381 PulauHantu29
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Yes, but "it's only a tiny leak" the Japanese officials said.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:08 | 1153382 Careless Whisper
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Each plant will now have two backup diesel generators so this will never happen again.

LoLz. problem solved. nukes are safe. move along.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:19 | 1153400 rwe2late
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O ye of little faith:

Obama Administration Picks Tokyo Electric To Build U.S. Nuke Plant

http://wonkette.com/440692/obama-administration-picks-tokyo-electric-to-build-u-s-nuke-plant

 Obama & his bigwig sponsors will keep us safe.  ;-)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:40 | 1153434 Ident 7777 economy
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I thnk they (Greg Palast) are conflating Toshiba with TEPCO or more to the point, conflating investing with building and operating:

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info-on-japan-nuclearobama-invites-tokyo...

 

Doing due diligence, we find more:

http://plattsenergyweektv.com/story.aspx?storyid=142237&catid=293

"Tepco said last May that it would pay $125 million for a 10% share of the NINA joint venture once DOE has issued a conditional commitment to the project's developers for a federal loan guarantee."

 

MORE - from reputable websites:

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/company-news-story.aspx?storyid=201103250409d...

Tepco, which is battling a major accident at its earthquake-crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, said in May 2010 it would spend up to $250 million Y(20 billion) to acquire a stake in the project to build units 3 and 4 at the South Texas Project nuclear plant if the U.S. government provides loan guarantees. The Japanese utility already has a technological tie-up with NRG Energy.

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:01 | 1154139 TerraHertz
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Each plant will now have two backup diesel generators so this will never happen again.

They seem to still be forgetting to add "and everything related to the backup generators must be 30 meters above sea level."

Even if they do that, it just means the next disaster will be from a meteorite strike near a cluster of nuke plants. No, I'm serious. It really does. You absolutely can't defeat Murphy's Law. By eliminating potential for 'small' disasters, you just ask for even bigger ones.

In the long run, the only way to avoid calamitous nuclear power plant disasters, is to not have any nuclear power plants.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 07:34 | 1154661 malikai
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Or we can outlaw meteors.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:12 | 1153386 bob_dabolina
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This is the kinda shit that makes me wanna rush out and just buy stocks.

-Citadel Algo

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:20 | 1153404 Kyle Reese
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I wonder where N. Korea is building their nukes in relation to the ocean..  

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:20 | 1153412 Oh regional Indian
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Distraction Display. Now you watch this video so you will not notice that Daini is actually also in trouble. And by the by, pay no attention to the insider article that says that all this song and dance might be hiding the fact that a massive, secret Atomic Bomb making program just might have been going on underneath the cover of clean safe nuclear power.

If only radioactivity was as slow release as the truth in these times eh?

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/crashing-stars-they-were-but-chimeras/

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:58 | 1153484 Jim in MN
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I think it's to distract from the admission that units 5 and 6 were immersed in seawater--which was not previously known.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:10 | 1153515 Oh regional Indian
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Interesting Jim. Might also have somethign to do with Onagawa issues?

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/08_20.html

And since the industry cannot catch a break:

india's very own Kaiga Nuke Power plant hsa a shut down today:

http://www.inewsone.com/2011/04/09/fire-alarm-forces-kaiga-n-power-unit-shutdown/42276

And a leedle action in WA state, courtesy hydrogen...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/nuclear-usa-plant-idUSN0810220...

 

And in continuing Nuclear wierdness, shooting deaths on the UK's major Nuclear Sub, the Astute:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8439401/HMS-Astute-shooting-Nuclear-submarine-guard-kills-officer-in-rifle-rampage.html

Very trippy, I think. Runaway reactions abound...

ORI

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 01:46 | 1156872 Element
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Yes, I noticed that when they said they were going to 'decommision' 4 reactors, a while back ... I knew 5 and 6 were stuffed as well ... sea water and partial meltdown of both cores. The whole plant is screwed, and they still won't just say it.

And still no word on the seawater flooded shared SFP pool Cog-Dis mentioned ... like weeks ago.

By the way ... what do you do with rods covered in mud-silt and salt?

You can't put them in another pond ... with 'clean' fuel rods ... one bad apple 'n all that

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:09 | 1153509 trav7777
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are you an idiot?

Japan is known to have 100,000kg of plutonium laying around, and perhaps 300,000kg stored elsewhere in the world for them.

The mechanics of the implosion device are not in any way a technical challenge for this nation.

They have been a de facto nuclear weapons State for decades.  WTF would they need to hide?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:54 | 1153716 Banjo
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trav7777: No one is suggesting lack of technical competence. The is about Japan having the nuclear weapons made, assembled and ready to be delivered.

The significance is on a world stage telling people:

  • They (Japan) don't have a bomb

  • Their (Japan) nuclear program is for peace only

  • We (Japan) are against nuclear weapons look what happend to us in WWII

  • Other countries can't have nuclear weapons e.g. North Korea (look we're peaceful intent only)

  • Other countries are really scary and dangerous (Saddam's Iraq) and need regime change.

If you have a nuclear arsenal then it's a bit more difficult to credibly posture and pontificate about peace, nuclear power and being against nuclear proliferation.

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:43 | 1153812 Fish Gone Bad
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Other countries are really scary and dangerous (Saddam's Iraq) and need regime change.

That is really funny.  I am thinking that those "other countries" think that about "us".

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:20 | 1153926 malikai
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I would assume that plutonium is from purex of high burnup fuel. They should technically have a hard time making a usable weapon out of it with the high pu240 amounts within it.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:16 | 1154055 XPolemic
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They have been a de facto nuclear weapons State for decades.  WTF would they need to hide?

You mean other than a violation of their post-war McCarthur constitution?

Or being an atomic power with a history of aggressive expansion on the North Asian peninsular?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:09 | 1154154 TerraHertz
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OMG yes, no country would ever blatantly violate the terms or intent of their venerated Constitution!

Apart from that, yeah, I always wondered why Japan felt the need to accumulate such a massive amount of plutonium. Wasn't the claim that they were laying in a stock for future use in power reactors, as the energy crisis worsens?

And yet they apparently dragged their heels a long time before using MOX fuel at Fukushima.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 01:52 | 1156874 Element
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No need to junk that, he's 100% correct, the Japanese can build a nuke any time that want, so can several other states, Australia is one of them, and it doesn't even take a reactor and reprocessing if you have super efficent Laser enrichment tech.

These munitions are very over-rated though.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:24 | 1153418 Dan The Man
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are they just keeping the distraction alive here?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:53 | 1153712 Till Eulenspiegel
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My thoughts exactly. Yesterday we had a report that reactor #1 already lost its primary cooling cycle due to the earthquake (i.e. the nuclear disaster was already in progress before the Tsunami hit), and today they suddenly decide to release footage of the Tsunami.

Honi soit qui mal y pense

 

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:26 | 1153428 americanspirit
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Y'all sure sound like homegrown terrorists to me. I mean, casting aspersions, expressing doubt and even, heaven forbid, mocking the competency of the authorities. Get out the goddamn list - we have some names to add!

BTW - TEPCO has already been involved in at least one major US nuke - the South Texas Nuclear Project, that sits pretty much on the Gulf of Mexico. And no seawall. But since when do hurricanes generate 10 meter waves? Oh, wait ...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:41 | 1153455 Ident 7777 economy
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 TEPCO has already been involved in at least one major US nuke - the South Texas Nuclear Project,

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Debunked - they are investing, not necessarily operating - see:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/video-tsunami-smashing-fukushima-nuclea...

 

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:24 | 1153938 Rula Lenska
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You "debunked" nothing.  Investing is involvement; AS never said anything about operating--you did.  Are all your friends straw men?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 05:04 | 1154599 BlackholeDivestment
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Friendly note: There are many things I can tell you about getting out ''The List'' http://bible.cc/revelation/20-15.htm http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/5-11.htm I assure you, the things you now see (notice the words ''great earthquakes'' http://bible.cc/luke/21-11.htm http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+21&version=KJV ) upon this generation are well defined, and in the days http://bible.cc/matthew/24-37.htm and few years to come, these things which you are now seeing shall increase with intensity and frequency. http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-3.htm 

In short, you may want to rethink how you speak, after all, if someone used your name as a sware word you may get pissed a bit. Let us speak with regard, after all, we are not animals. Just sayin, cuz I love yuh man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FT4FprxDg&feature=related

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:27 | 1153429 divide_by_zero
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Reactor 1 pressure has been constantly rising for awhile now, the Nitrogen purge seems last ditch-ish

http://atmc.jp/plant/vessel/?n=1

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:01 | 1153493 A Man without Q...
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TEPCO tries to enclose high radiation in sea in nuke crisis

TOKYO, April 10, Kyodo

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84290.html

This latest plan seems bound to end in failure...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1153439 americanspirit
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"The South Texas Project is about 29 feet above sea level, spokesman Buddy Eller said, and appears capable of withstanding extreme storm events that are most likely for the region.

A study looking at the possible impacts of a combined Category 5 hurricane storm surge and a 100-year flood on the Colorado River that runs adjacent to the plant site found water levels would rise to just under 28 feet.

The plant also has three separate, redundant diesel back-up systems to run all of its onsite systems, including the reactor cooling. They're located in steel-reinforced concrete buildings designed to withstand hurricanes and storm surges, said Eller."

Whew - that's better. I feel much safer now, living a few hundred miles downwind of this - er - safe monster.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:52 | 1153459 HungrySeagull
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One simple Texas Reply to the Authorities who think it's high enough.

 

"Bullshit"

 

If I want to build a nuke, it will be located 150 feet up MSL and protected by 70 foot walls of the type that is being built across NOLA to break up the waves and ease the pounding.

I recall a Military Dot Com Video taken from a Nimitz Class Carrier somewhere in the area during a storm recently taking green water over the flight deck in the fore and experiencing water on and over the bridge itself high up in the air while the movement on all three axis was rather extreme makes me wonder if they had to reduce speed to keep the props stable when they come out of the sea.

 

One more thing. I would either get out of the nuke business or spend the money and over build the plant to withstand 200+ mph winds for a long time. That way no tornado or hurricane in the holly wood's wildest movie imagination can ever destroy it.

 

Maybe we get another 9.0 in the area and the following 50 foot wave swamp the entire FUKU plant and spare us all the trouble of cleanup pernamently since these wussies dont have teh balls to nuclear weapons demo the place.

 

One more thing.

 

Instead of Oil Rigs and Gas Rigs that Float into the Sea miles and miles from land, why not start putting Nuclear Plants out there too? That way if they ever get hot, cut the chains and let em sink.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:45 | 1153886 Zardinuk
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They have nuclear power plants that dont depend on water, just gas turbines. Those seem better for inland anyways because water is getting scarce, the long term costs of nuclear sometimes need to factor in water.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:37 | 1154627 Bicycle Repairman
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"the long term costs of nuclear sometimes need to factor in water."

The long term costs and the costs of catastrophes are not factored in for nuclear power.  If this were done they would never be built.

Nuclear power is the ultimate in "kicking the can" and "rolling the dice".

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:27 | 1153552 Whoa Dammit
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All is well.The South Texas Project has been engineered against storms utilizing the big penis (about 12 inches) safety standard margin. <sarcasm>

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:54 | 1153471 Drag Racer
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1:10 of the video they zoom in to the water inlet of #2 reactor. I see water vapor from where they had the leak. If water from that trench/tunnel is that hot so far away from the reactor, then they have big problems, or should I say we have big problems.

I know they are talking about #3 when they zoom in but if you look at an arial view of the facility you will see it is definitely #2 we are looking at.

The radiation rise of #1 is a concern as right after the 7.1 aftershock they reported a rapid temp rise. I wonder if the containment vessel has so much water in it the inertia from the quake was too much for the supports and caused some of the piping or something else to rupture worse that before.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:55 | 1153475 UncleFurker
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$10 says they'll use MOX too.

Plutonium. The "good" radiation.

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:56 | 1153477 Jim in MN
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From NHK:

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/09_30.html

"TEPCO confirmed that the 6 reactors at Fukushima Daiichi power plant had been under as much as 5 meters of water."

But 5 and 6 are fine, just fine....Shit, if I had to admit that I'd release the catastrophic video I'd been saving for such an occasion too.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:41 | 1154205 TerraHertz
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In the aerial shots, it looks like 5 & 6 are built on somewhat higher ground. The water damage around them is not as extensive.

As for 1 to 4, I pointed out from the first digitalglobe images that there's an inclined road going up the embankment at the rear of the Sth end of the site. From the mud line on that road you can see the water level at the rear of the reactor buildings was at least 3 meters. Also the big roller doors on the seaward side of the turbine halls are pushed in to several meters height.

So this is 'non news'. Which means there probably is something important happening tht they wish to draw attention away from.

I'd guess that is probably the massive spike in radiation in the drywell of #1. What are the chances criticality is occuring in the drywell? Which is actually the 'currently full of no-boron seawater and core-melt rubble well', if I understand correctly.

Criticality and produced pressure pulses in the 'drywell' would explain why the radiation readings from there have suddenly stopped after the huge spike. Sensor destroyed, by heat, pressure, corrosion, radiation, salt water, or combination.

Is there any fluid circulation plumbing to the drywell? If there isn't, how to get boron into there? It's not like opening the big pressure door is feasible.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 00:57 | 1154467 Jim in MN
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On 5 & 6 being immersed, I was just going with what TEPCO said.  Like that's been such a great idea.

There are only so many sets of plumbing that can be dealt with at one unit.  No nothing like that for the drywell.  At least no 'circulation' as would be in a proper cooling cycle. 

You'd have to hope boron (and water) would travel the same route any core materials did.  Just stick it in the core and see what happens. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 13:57 | 1153481 Ancona
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We had all better pray that these people get these cores cool and stable. If they melt down, and in to the water table or ocean, it could be an extinction level event.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:09 | 1153513 avonaltendorf
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Local, not global.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:10 | 1153514 trav7777
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good god, STFU

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:37 | 1153958 Rula Lenska
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Why don't you STFU; otherwise, make a constructive comment if you disagree.  Even a "drive by junk", lame as that is, is better than the useless clutter you just created.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:43 | 1153575 BigJim
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Why?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:54 | 1153894 Zardinuk
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Maybe not extinction level but that would definiely cause some deaths and cancerous growths, perhaps ruin the island of Japan. It could set off economies, destabilize nations and stuff but exctinction is probably a stretch. We'll make it through this.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:41 | 1154631 Bicycle Repairman
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Have elevated levels of cesium been detected in American tap water and milk already, or not?  This little "drama" is going to go on for months.  It is clear that no immediate action is going to be taken to remedy this situation.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:10 | 1153500 AN0NYM0US
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headline of the day (actually tomorrow)

Reuters

TEPCO apologises to Japan, neighbours over radiation

 

TOKYO, April 10 (Reuters) - A Japanese power company executive apologised for spreading radiation into the air and sea...

 

"I would like to apologise from my heart over the worries and troubles we are causing for society due to the release of radiological materials into the atmosphere and sea water," Sakae Muto, a TEPCO vice president, said on Saturday.

"We caused worry and trouble for having made this decision without taking sufficient time to explain the matter beforehand to those involved, to the press, to the fishing industry and to people overseas, and we are sorry for this," he added.

 


Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:13 | 1153517 trav7777
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typical asian bullshit...the fretting over "worry" and "trouble."  This is why people don't speak up in consensus building sessions.  Don't complain, don't cause trouble.

You see the same shit out of China in official notices advising people NOT to cause any trouble to local authorities over the toxic waste pouring out of every waterway and toxic smog blanketing the land.  Fuck disease, death, mutant children; worry and trouble (inconvenience) are what matter.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:14 | 1153518 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Day late, dollar short. It is a little too late to save face.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:45 | 1153583 AG BCN
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Yet they will still be at the Yasukuni with the

Uyuku Dantai.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:18 | 1153644 Pchelar
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Maybe they could grap this crazy ol' bastard and put him in charge of TEPCO, seems like a "can-do" kind of guy for a Japanese...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/04/03/japan.tsunami.captain/index....

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:17 | 1153530 Bastiat
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Radiation Detected In Drinking Water In 13 More US Cities, Cesium-137 In Vermont Milk 

For food: "The EPA maximum contaminant level is 3.0 (for Cesium 137 or Iodine 131), but this is a conservative standard designed to minimize exposure over a lifetime,"  Here are some precip number, note Boise; Boston not so good either:

Precipitation

In the data released Friday, iodine-131 was found in rainwater samples from the following locations:

  • Salt Lake City, UT collected 3/17: 8.1
  • Boston, MA collected 3/22: 92
  • Montgomery, Alabama collected 3/30: 3.7
  • Boise, ID collected 3/27: 390

As reported above, the Boise sample also contained 42 pC/m3 of Cesium-134, and 36 of Cesium-137.

http://goo.gl/NaEyy

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:45 | 1153579 BigJim
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I wonder what they'd find if they started testing for Uranium and Plutonium?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:49 | 1153590 giocatoli
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Bastiat, your cited link at goo.g is a worm.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:45 | 1153701 Bastiat
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Hm, works for me on a cut and paste and neither Kaspersky nor Barracuda sees a worm.    But here's the full URL:   http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/09/radiation-detected-in-drinking-water-in-13-more-us-cities-cesium-137-in-vermont-milk/

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:50 | 1153598 TheMerryPrankster
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stock up on beer, make sure you buy the oldest best by date. Beer is mostly water, just like humans. I like mine without so much radioactive iodine and cesium, prefer hops and barley.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:45 | 1153818 malek
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Does that mean you should not drink rain water in those places by the m3 (cubic meter)?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:28 | 1153555 JackES
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I hope I can see Japan island sink in my lifetime.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:50 | 1154114 pods
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Well if everyone has to evacuate to one end of the island it might tip over?

pods

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 01:48 | 1154510 The Navigator
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The correct spelling is Jack Ass, not JackEs.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:35 | 1153567 Lapri
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TEPCO also has cute one-page summary of tsunami damage for Fukushima I and II. In Japanese only though. I'm sure their translators are furiously translating right now.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/tsunami-at-fukushima-i-ii-nuclear-pow...

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:48 | 1153571 anonnn
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1.Another quake 6.1 southeast of Kyushu, 5 1/2 hrs ago.

2. re 45 meter wave--bit of disinformation...the splash height reached 45 meters.

3. From the beginning, there has been total info blackout on actual fate of the EmergencyDieselGenerators. Originally sited below ground level? Inundated/swamped air intakes/exhausts? Failed components? Fuel supply disrupted/cut-off?

4. Were the common-terminations of the elec switchgear sited where subject to inundation?

  

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:45 | 1153582 MSimon
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At 100 Sv/hr I'm not surprized the equipment broke down. There is not much electrical or electronic in nature that can survive those levels for long.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:25 | 1153660 SRSrocco
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Msimon....very true.  Anyone who saw the documentary on Chernobyl would remember the remote controlled small bulldozers that were pushing highly radioactive material off of the roof.  Unfortunately, after just 2 days all the remote controlled small bulldozers stopped working as their electronics got fried from the high radiation.

This is when they sent up those poor Russian soldiers to take a few shovel loads of radioactive material and throw it off the edge of the roof.  The soldiers could only stay up there for about 45 seconds at a time.

If this is true that the radiation coming out of Reactor #1 is that high, it means the worst case scenario is now likely.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:46 | 1153588 KickIce
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"Taking steps to making sure this never happens again."

Way to close the barn door when the horse is about 5 miles down the road.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:47 | 1153592 mt paul
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inadvertant criticalities 

ongoing, uncontrolled nor contained 

nuclear fission events ..

radioactive weenie roast ....

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:49 | 1153597 anonnn
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There is no possibility that Fuku. plant was designed and constructed without the approval of General Electric...including known, strong protests by some GE engineers. 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 07:16 | 1154646 Bicycle Repairman
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"including known, strong protests by some GE engineers."

My faith in GE is fully restored.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 14:56 | 1153604 TheMerryPrankster
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Yeah, but will this "problem" effect Teppco executive bonuses? Could this be their safest year yet?

 

SAN FRANCISCO -- Transocean Ltd. gave its top executives bonuses for achieving the "best year in safety performance in our company's history" -- despite the explosion of its oil rig that killed 11 people and spilled 200 million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico.

 

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/apr/03/execs-get-safety-bonus-de...

 

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:07 | 1153633 Dan The Man
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if you lower the bar far enough, success is a certainty

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:30 | 1153674 max2205
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:)

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:30 | 1153675 max2205
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Photo shopped. Blame the ocean. Insurance cos claim Force Majure now

Weeeeeeee Corps Weaseled out again

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:47 | 1153705 davepowers
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ok, somebody please clear this up.

Tyler's post above says they've stopped reporting dry wall readings on #1.

But the ex-skf's site refers to the 100 sievert reading along with a someone's claim that the readings later went back to 6.83 sieverts.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-1s.html

Both posts refer to the same largely Japanese charts.

So, which is it? Are they still posting data on #1 and is at least better? Or have they really stopped with the dry wall reporting?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:11 | 1153746 Till Eulenspiegel
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EX-SKF actually had a small typo in translating the second reading. METI Press Release #80 gave a reading of 1.00 * 10^2 Sv/h, i.e. 100 Sievert/hour at 0:00 JST on April 8.

http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110408004/20110408004-3.pdf

METI Press Release #81 gave a reading of 6.82 * 10^1 Sv/h, i.e. 68.2 Sievert/hour at 13:00 JST on April 8:

http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110408009/20110408009-3.pdf

In subsequent press releases, TEPCO stopped reporting measurements claiming that the sensor had become faulty.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:35 | 1153876 davepowers
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that clears it up nicely

thanks for that

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 15:55 | 1153711 Jack Burton
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 The problem of the spent fuel rods has gone on the back burner. Some information released last week suggested that particles and pieces of spent nucler fuel were found 1 mile from the reactors and in sea water being released to the ocean.

For anyone who saw the videos of the hydrogen explosions and then visualized the spent fuel pools above the reactor cores can not help but see that spent fuel rods in some number must have been blown to kingdom come!

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:45 | 1154106 tomster0126
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Exactly, the fuel rods are really the most sketchy thing about this whole debocle.  My relatives in Hawaii said they're not eating any seafood until they go back to the mainland for a visit.

 

www.forecastfortomorrow.com

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 07:21 | 1154648 Bicycle Repairman
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How can fuel rods, presumably containing Pu among other things, stored in the roof of the reactors not get blown miles away by the hydrogen explosions that blew the concrete roofs off of the reactors?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:15 | 1154779 bugs_
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its heavy.

the water will have moved it farther.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:14 | 1153753 alnitak
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http://theintelhub.com/2011/04/09/epa-finds-japan-nuclear-radiation-in-milk-above-epa-limits-and-in-drinking-water-in-13-us-cities/

 

 

By Alexander Higgins - Contributing Writer
April 9th, 2011

The EPA has finally released some of the radiation data it has been collecting:

  • Los Angeles milk radiation was above federal drinking water standards.
  • Radiation found in Phoenix milk was almost at the federal drinking water standard.
  • Radioactive Iodine in Boise Idaho rainwater was 130 times above Federal Drinking Water standards.
    • Radioactive Caesium was 13.66 times above federal limit for Caesium-134, 2 year half-life.
    • Radioactive Caesium was 12 times federal limit for Caesium-137, 30 year half-life.
  • Tennessee drinking water was detected with radiation slightly above 1/2 the federal maximum.
  • Radioactive Iodine has been detected in the drinking water across the entire US in the following states: California, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Tennessee, Montana, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, New Jersey, and Alabama, as well as in Canada.
  • Cesium and Tellurium were found in Boise,  Las Vegas,  Nome and Dutch Harbor, Honolulu, Kauai and Oahu, Anaheim, Riverside, San Francisco, and San Bernardino,  Jacksonville and Orlando, Salt Lake City,  Guam, and Saipan.
  • Uranium-234, with a half-life of 245,500 years has been found in Hawaii, California, and Washington.

 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:53 | 1153831 bob_dabolina
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ever fly in a plane? ever stand near some granite? slip on a banana?

jfc don't get all hysterical moonbat

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:33 | 1153875 Bastiat
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Nothing hysterical in that post at all--just facts without commment.   

Don't get hysterical, moonbat.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:27 | 1153943 malikai
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Incomplete facts. A brilliant way to (mis|dis)inform. Would be useful to see actual reactivity measurements, dates, isotopes in a usable form. Federal (limits|standards) are about as useful as an asshole on your forehead.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:10 | 1153986 Rula Lenska
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Incomplete facts, indeed.  Tell me about it.  Oregon must have a magic radiation shield overhead and along every border N,S,E & W; otherwise, how would uranium show up in  milk samples from Hawai'i, Cali, and Washington but not Oregon?  Likewise, how else could radionuclides from Japan be detected nearly two weeks ago in milk from California and Washington but again, not Oregon?  Must be that magic shield of ours, couldn't be that it's not being measured and/or reported.  </sarc>

 

btw, I junked you for that asinine last sentence in an otherwise useful comment.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:39 | 1154019 malikai
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Feel free to let them tell you what's safe. Meanwhile, I will do the research and figure it out on my own.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:11 | 1154158 geekgrrl
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I just looked up the EPA radiation data for Oregon precipitation, since it's been raining almost every day since the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear clusterflock and I was curious what has been detected so far.

The link is: http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-sampling-data.html#precipitation

Portland data includes a single sample, taken 3/25/11: I-131 @ 86.8 pCi/L. Olympia reported 0 pCi/L on 3/17, but by 3/24, was reporting 125 pCi/L.

Fifteen days have passed since these data were collected, and I don't think the numbers are going to go down until (or if?) the entire Fukushima site is contained. That time appears far in the future since they have not yet even setup a staging area for the liquidators.

Obviously the radionuclides in precipitation will bioaccumulate in milk in increasing amounts until the site is "contained," but I expect a continuation of the "everything is just fine, levels are low, etc, etc."

This country has a long history of setting "safety limits" just above what the industry is capable of achieving. I see no difference in approach here. When people start showing up at emergency rooms with their hair falling out, we'll still be told everything is good.

At all costs, the show must go on. Isn't it time to go shopping, and spur on the economy while getting deeper in debt? Who cares if we all die in a few years, just so long as we can have our crack now?

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:40 | 1154201 10kby2k
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I would not put it past Oregon to skew the data the opposite direction......bumping up its readings.   They may have a political agenda. Lying is a virtue?   Seems so.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 23:45 | 1154375 geekgrrl
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Do you have a political agenda?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 10:02 | 1154669 malikai
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Unless there is ongoing criticality, i-131 will absolutely go down, fast. The real element to worry about in the states is caesium. At this point, radioiodine is a trace(trace(trace)) element at most.

As for everyone who is happy to use government numbers to feel safe or unsafe; well, they've probably already had enough "safe" quantities of PCBs, dioxin, lead, arsenic, cadmium, rat turds, BGH, and antibiotics in their food to worry about a little radiation. Some of the elders around here might remember a time when thalidomide was a "safe" drug for use in treating morning sickness.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:01 | 1155890 MSimon
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Now that the dangers of thalidomide are understood it is used in medicine. Just not for morning sickness.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 03:04 | 1156929 geekgrrl
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Tell that to the folks who will get thyroid cancer from this event, from the I-131 you say is insignificant.

Where is the evidence that there is not ongoing criticality (at multiple reactors and SFPs)?

I get the distinct sense that this tragedy is only in the opening act.

 

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 05:51 | 1157021 malikai
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I never said it was insignificant. What I said was that barring ongoing criticality, the damage from i131 is practically over. Now the real, long term threat is cs137. Let's try to give worry where worry is due.

As for evidence that there is not ongoing criticality, well, the numbers will tell us that. Isotopic analysis onsite and around the world will answer that question. If xenon-135 or iodine-135 are detected, we have evidence of criticality. If they are not detected, there is no evidence of criticality. It's that simple.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 19:41 | 1154023 Bastiat
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So no standards would be better? Or do you think they should be raised? How much of that stuff is OK in your kid's milk? Just curious.

Fact is it's around the globe and there are no signs that it will be stopping any time soon. It could get a lot worse and last for a long time. It's good to be aware of.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 01:29 | 1154494 notofdahsleeple
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"are about as useful as an asshole on your forehead."

Seems useful actually I wouldnt have to puke in the tub while radioactive diarehha was streaming out my anus!

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:46 | 1154633 Bicycle Repairman
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"slip on a banana?"

LOL.  A double hit, for sure.

BTW I always jump over granite steps.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:09 | 1153856 majia
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I just went to the EPA website for lab results

http://www.epa.gov/japan2011/rert/radnet-sampling-data.html#milk

This is the level for Iodine-131 reported for Phoenix

 I-131 is 3.2 Litre (pCi/L).

According to Business Insider, the acceptable level for drinking water is  3 pCi/L (strange source I know but the first one that popped up on my google search for acceptable levels)

http://www.businessinsider.com/san-francisco-rainwater-radiation-181-times-above-us-drinking-water-standard-2011-4

So, unless I've screwed up my interpretation of the measurement units, it looks like Alexander Higgins is correct.

Can anyone comment on this?????

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 20:33 | 1154077 gall batter
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no escape.  every item in the produce section at the grocery is from california.  doesn't matter.  it's everywhere.  my concern is for the people of japan but also for the young here.  it is sad, sad, sad. 

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 21:46 | 1154214 geekgrrl
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Could a sadder tale be told?

I am not xtian, but one interpretationof Ezekiel (18:2) is: "The Fathers have eaten bitter fruit, and the childrens' teeth are set on edge."

So far, the Fathers have failed to comprehend the immensity of the damage they have wrought with all this nuclear "bitter fruit" because it has not affected their own persons. But in their children they will see the consequences. I expect a dramatic rise in miscarriage and still birth around the world, and especially in Japan and the US West Coast.

Sad, sad, sad. I agree. There is no escape.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:49 | 1154636 Bicycle Repairman
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Having been conceived, carried and born during the era of open air nuclear testing, my own person has been affected.  Everyone in my family who has died has died from cancer.  No one has conceived of the immense damage, so far.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 07:25 | 1154651 Bicycle Repairman
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"Uranium-234, with a half-life of 245,500 years has been found in Hawaii, California, and Washington."

The article says that Pu was not detected.  If U-234 is present, is it reasonable to assume that Pu is not present?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 08:07 | 1154680 malikai
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It is more misleading than anything. I can dig up dirt anywhere on this planet and find traces of plutonium, uranium, and thorium in it. Without current quantities and measurements prior to the Japanese quake, it really doesn't say anything. 

Fri, 04/22/2011 - 03:28 | 1195478 geekgrrl
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Prove it.

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 16:35 | 1153793 americanspirit
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Say there Ident 7777 economy - don't want to start a Texas-sized pissing contest with you, but I said TEPCO was "involved with" not "operating" the South Texas Nuclear Project, and my question went to the design of the safety margins, not to how the plant is operated, so why should anyone go to the trouble to debunk my post, unless perhaps they're one of those paid trolls we hear about? Still seems to me building in a 1 foot margin of error against a 100 year event is Fukushima-style design thinking. As investors, not operators, do you suppose that TEPCO had any say in how big a margin of safety was going to be built in - after all, more safety = more cost.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 06:49 | 1154637 Bicycle Repairman
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"Ident 7777 economy" = paid troll

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 17:53 | 1153893 nah
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just another nuclear nightmare scenario that can only get better right

.

just like living in a cave talking in grunt, so much good can happen

Sat, 04/09/2011 - 18:09 | 1153912 Jim in MN
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Contract workers to TEPCO/gov't: Fuck Off, We're Not Dying so You Can Make a Killing

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84251.html

TEPCO contractors reject higher radiation dose limit for workers

TOKYO, April 9, Kyodo

Companies dispatching workers to Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant are refusing to adopt the government-imposed provisional limit on radiation exposure for those workers at the plant, saying it would not be accepted by those at the site, Kyodo News learned Saturday.

The limit was lifted from 100 millisieverts to 250 millisieverts in an announcement made March 15 by the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare at the request of the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry, which has the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency under its wing, and other bodies.

The increase was requested to enable workers to engage in longer hours of assignments and to secure more workers who meet the restriction.

The advisability of the hastily decided limit may be called into question as workers have to handle a wider range of work over an extended period of time. They are now faced with tasks such as removing rubble and disposing of contaminated water in addition to their initial job of restoring the lost power sources at the plant that was crippled by the March 11 quake and tsunami.

The contract companies say they are sticking to the previous limit.

The health ministry said, ''Based on medical expertise, a maximum limit has been adopted that would not cause health damage such as a temporary decline in white blood cell count.'' The ministry's decision was made after consulting with the science ministry's advisory body Radiation Council.

The ministry said it referenced a view of the International Commission on Radiological Protection that sets the upper limit in an emergency situation to a dose of 500-1,000 millisieverts.

The limit was upheld at 100 millisieverts when Japan was faced with a serious accident at a nuclear fuel processing plant in 1999 in Tokaimura, Ibaraki Prefecture.

According to Tokyo Electric, 21 workers were exposed to a cumulative dose of more than 100 millisieverts as of April 1. On March 24, three workers from Kandenko Co. and a subcontractor were exposed to high doses of radiation during their work at a building close to a reactor, making employers of plant workers nervous.

A public relations officer at Kandenko, a TEPCO affiliate, said, ''Those at work sites would not agree to accept a suddenly lifted'' limit. The three in question were exposed to 173-180 millisieverts and two of them suffered burns to their feet.

''We have to be prudent. Considering safety, we will maintain the 100 millisievert limit,'' the officer said.

An official at Tokyo Energy & Systems Inc., a TEPCO subsidiary, said, ''The control target rate at the site is 100 millisieverts. In practice, we have set a limit lower at 80 millisieverts to make room for controlling radiation exposure.''

Construction companies Kajima Corp. and Taisei Corp. have also adopted 100 millisieverts as their yardsticks.

Hitachi Ltd. has adopted ''200 millisieverts under an in-house regulation,'' a public relations official said.

TEPCO has been going along with the higher limit. Just days ago, however, it was disclosed that not all its workers were equipped with radiation monitors due to shortages of units with alarms.

==Kyodo

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