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Visualizing The Death Of The Citi HFT Rebate Collection Machine

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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:34 | 1272277 Mongo
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*blip* *blop*


binary disco dancers in neon lights...

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:08 | 1272362 Thomas
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Just like any other split: They wait for the stock to return to the pre-split price and then repeat.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 15:19 | 1272575 Urban Redneck
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To be timed to coincide with the launch of QE3

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:20 | 1272396 Weisbrot
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the TBTF bank is now TETT, Too Expensive Too Trade :-)


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:32 | 1272433 He_Who Carried ...
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Its the matrix! We're in it.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:35 | 1272279 sabra1
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but,but, they raised their dividend by 1 cent!

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:38 | 1272282 chrisd
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"volume is not liquidity, and HFT provides volume not liquidity"


This needs to be the rallying cry for the destruction of HFT. Keep repeating it until the point is made clear.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:43 | 1272296 Muir
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1272317 Rynak
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 15:26 | 1272602 pods
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I think you meant +2?


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 23:03 | 1273669 longorshort
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Get lost you 12 year old.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:53 | 1272325 Mercury
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I suppose you could say liquidity = expected volume but it's ridiculous how the two terms have been thrown around  synonymously for so long.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 19:17 | 1273277 rocker
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There is a easy solution for this. Tax each trade made. We would all be better off. Then the real liquidity trades would reveal themselves and the phony bots will have to pony up for their fraudulent trades. It's better than having the bots hedge your good trades for days pushing stocks up or down to benefit themselves. 

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 23:24 | 1273705 Rynak
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Genius! It's like hashcash for marketbots.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:36 | 1272283 oogs66
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you had me at 10-1 reverse split...you lost me on the charts

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:45 | 1272302 SilverRhino
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Well it was a 10 to 1 reverse split.   Of course now it looks like those 10 shares are only worth 9 shares in the last few days of trades. 

It will be interesting to see if C ever drops into single digit territory again.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:36 | 1272284 SheepDog-One
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Supercool lookin charts, that shit is disco.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:04 | 1272357 Reptil
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:39 | 1272295 treemagnet
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Like seeing things through the eyes of a terminator.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:07 | 1272735 Miles Kendig
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:46 | 1272298 The Axe
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Hearing AIG deal is off the table....its a no go...

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:50 | 1272305 centerline
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Sad day when it is time to trade in a terminal for an o-scope.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:03 | 1272345 Trillax
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:27 | 1272419 Manthong
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Make sure you get a THz one.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:11 | 1272750 Miles Kendig
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With that nifty wave lock feature.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1272310 covsire
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Don't under-estimate Citi.  They have a lot of infrastructure and brand power left.  Also, they've been selling off their bags of crap as fast as they can.  Of course, this means little if the Obama recovery isn't happening like we're being told it is.  Rumor has it, Citi has found several hundred 100oz bars of Gold in an old forgotten vault and has traded it for some of that magical Obama-fairy dust.  They're planning to sprinkle it all over 399 Park Ave this weekend.  By monday, our obamaconemy will rise and Citi will be catapulted to the high 80's with a 25 cent dividend by years end!

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:05 | 1272360 the grateful un...
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you're right, their banking business is solid, they got rid of the retail brokerage at the right time, their leadership is relatively blameless in any of the 2008 shennaigans, (they are or were up to their ass in bad mortgage paper, but hey there are no consequences are there?) the government got behind them early, and the worset seems to be over. which  makes me cringe at this latest move. but if it shrinks the float, that is going to help i guess, i figured they would just buy it all back using Bens magic money, and then retire it, so maybe its a good thing

disclosure, went long near the bottom, and inclined to hold.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 15:27 | 1272604 LawsofPhysics
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This is the same citi that has been bailed out by the taxpayer some 12 times in the last 30 years right?

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:15 | 1273034 the grateful un...
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they are actually a retail bank (although Goldman now has FDIC, is has no retail accounts) and they have international branches. They were in deep in the mortgage fiasco, but probably not as deep as BoA and Wells. A bank is a necessary business, they were bailed out by taxpayers, while Goldman simply stole all of AIGs assets, and then feigned innocence, while their top men run the Treasury department. there's really no comparison between them. their stock was punished, (and their shareholders). and i am sure as a money center bank they do a number of dubious things, their business model demands they participate in most of it. do i like their leadership, and their responsibility to consumers, yeah i do. i do business at a CITI branch and they treat me pretty well. I hear other people bitch all the time about Wells and BoA. and the vampire squid front runs my pension fund, and does zip shit for me otherwise. its a rough world ducklings, but making a few basic distinctions between who is who will help you a lot.

Sat, 05/14/2011 - 02:28 | 1273859 Clowns on Acid
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Yo grateful...they were deeper than BOA et al, they were broke..they were bankrupt. Yeh they have sold off a bunch of shiite, but notably no other bank creatyed an entity called "bad bank" to place all there shiite. 

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:54 | 1272316 TruthInSunshine
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I see Green Shoots, an organic recovery, a strengthening economy with solid fundamentals, and if the government (which is now, in reality, the marginal additional consumer of the economy) pulls its extraordinary level of hot beef injections, all will be unicorns, pixie dust and rainbows again.

All is well!





Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:56 | 1272326 jstalin
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I have no idea what I'm looking at.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:13 | 1272375 g speed
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IMHO     --10 for 1 means ten shares traded for one share-- priced times ten at the moment of reverse split-- HFT (high frequency trading) will use computing power to place many trades a second and withdraw or sell instantly when price moves a % of one cent. The trading programs are compeating against other HFT programs so you see many different types of code. However the HFT trade in currency so the number of shares bid is dependant on the price. In this case Citi has volume at one tenth the presplit volume but the liquidity persists--- the crux- volume does not equal liquidity--

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 17:21 | 1273039 augie
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Wow. My four-year-old imaginary daughter could understand that explanation.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 16:20 | 1272801 Miles Kendig
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Keep at it !!  It isn't all that hard to learn and once you do the fun is stupendous.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:57 | 1272330 Xibalba
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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:26 | 1272428 unununium
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Aw, just because they had to split 1 for 10 to afford a $0.01 dividend?  Harsh!

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:58 | 1272333 Reptil
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Skynet threw up a little in it's own mouth.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:00 | 1272338 Overpowered By Funk
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Markets are dead. End of story.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:00 | 1272339 adonisdemilo
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NYSE:C 1,000,000 shares @ $4.60 = 100,000 shares @$46.00 date 29 th April 2011

100,000 shares @$46.00 = ZERO, date to be announced, hopefully soon. 

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 13:58 | 1272340 uhb
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well, I see light at the end of the tunnel... it's probably a train :)

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:03 | 1272352 Helvidius
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I don't know what all that shit means.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:10 | 1272363 Rynak
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the rebate collecting robots who would ping pong the stock among each other with no intention of ever holding, merely creating the impression of a deep and liquid market


Even more simple explanation: A bunch of computers selling and buying forth and back to each other, to give the impression that there is strong market activity. Bot A sells to bot B, Bot B sells to Bot A, Bot A sells to bot B.... and so on.

EDIT: Considering how systematic those algos are, i wonder if one could detect such bots, by simply rendering such charts to soundwaves, and then listening to them.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:11 | 1272381 Helvidius
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Now see, that's what I'm talking about.  You're now my go-to guy for the ever needed "dumb this down for me" request.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:18 | 1272401 Alex Kintner
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It's so true. US technology is amazing. All that trading activity done at peta-flop speed.


Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:37 | 1272456 Rynak
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Actually, it is china and taiwan who is selling the hardware to the USA (though, the software may be inhouse. And from looking at the graphs, it seems to work VERY primitive (but who needs "advanced" when the market is so stupid.... similiar to who needs good propaganda, when the masses are beyond stupid).

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:04 | 1272355 Gimp
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I am all over that 1 Cent Dividend.....yeah baby, ROI is back

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:10 | 1272368 digalert
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Wasn't Citi a Cramer buybuybuy fave?

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:16 | 1272388 Piranhanoia
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The atheist priest must still pretend twice to keep its fictitious job.

Fri, 05/13/2011 - 14:27 | 1272416 FreakuentFlyer
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I'm a bit confused by these graphs. i suppose it would help me to compare these with some before/after graphs of 10-to-1 stock splits from the time when there was such a thing as true liquidity. i mean, that would be the scientific method?

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