VIX Contango Piledrives Levels From Last Pre-Market Peak

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Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:14 | 813579 goldmiddelfinger
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VIX futures are a derivative of a derivative of a derivative



Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:30 | 813625 Sophist Economicus
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...of an engima wrapped as a derivative

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:53 | 813685 goldmiddelfinger
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..inside a burning paper bag found on your doorstep after the doorbell has mysteriously rung

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 05:35 | 818268 Ratscam
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filled with dog shit in case you try to stop the fire by stepping on it

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:56 | 813696 GoinFawr
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...surrounded by a Chinese puzzle-box

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:25 | 813766 Sophist Economicus
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...contained by a conundrum

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:42 | 813821 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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then wrapped in a pizza and deep fried.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:59 | 813866 Bill Lumbergh
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...and eaten by Harry Wanger.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:20 | 813929 The Mummy
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... and then Wanger's poop is sliced, mixed in with other poops, and the derivatives of the new slices are sold to Geitner.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:19 | 813592 scatterbrains
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anyone have any thoughts on how one might best play this?

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:20 | 813598 traderjoe
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Take physical delivery of gold and silver, have 30 days of dehydrated food on hand (and water and other staples and medicine), and have some brass, lead to defend one's home. 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:22 | 813600 scatterbrains
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allready there, except switch out the dehydrated food for garden grown home canned food.  :P

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:44 | 813831 A_MacLaren
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Knowledgeable preppers recommend both food sources.

Bad harvest contingency hedge = LT storage dehydrated.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:53 | 813854 flacon
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I bought mine from Get a year supply at least. 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:04 | 813877 trav7777
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you forgot the surgeon to deal with your inevitable bullet wounds.

All the brass/lead many gunfights do you think you'll get into before catching one?  You may win the battle but die a few days later.  Not a victory.

This is why wild animals rarely fight for real.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 22:02 | 814654 El Hosel
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  "This is why wild animals rarely fight for real."

          I love wild animals, they are delicious, smart,  and they don't shoot back.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 07:53 | 816741 mogul rider
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how many gunfights do you think you'll get into before catching one? 

One, I have a significant piece of equipment which 1000 rounds a minute with a 3000 clip.


They won't make it by the gate

Oh did I mention the motion sensor activated gatling guns on 3 turrets?


Again, the zombies are toast.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:38 | 813645 Jones79
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buy a strip (all expiries shown on the chart--don't know if there is an exchange-defined strip) of the vix futures, or just spread a front month vs. a back month (buy the prompt month and sell a few months out).  it should flatten from here, and the front end should go up more than the back end. 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:41 | 813813 Frederic Bastiat
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Before you play it, you need to disagree.  The market is saying, there's no vol in equities now, but there will be.  I happen to agree--might not be steep enough.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:19 | 813594 Ferg .
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Vix is at levels not seen since July of 2007 . Volume continues to crumble . It's all getting more than a bit silly really . 

Oh , and slightly off topic , have a look at this . Got the link from Jamie Saettele at DailyFX . Hilarious  !

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:20 | 813595 SDRII
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Since on topic may perhaps this deserves a look and comment...ergo price vs. value

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:34 | 813639 traderjoe
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They don't like ZH over there too much. 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 11:30 | 816847 KidDynamite
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note - it's bad information given to millions of readers that I don't like. the post in question, by the way, is here:

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:27 | 813615 TradingJoe
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SuperMorons who are buying stocks at these levels! I also would wait to buy more of the PMs at a lower price, we'll get there, give it a little time, eh!

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:56 | 813698 goldmiddelfinger
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what pm?

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:18 | 813757 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Get where?  Buy the f@*&in' dip!

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:27 | 813617 haskelslocal
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Someone mind "nutshelling" topic while leading us horses to water?

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:31 | 813630 Waterfallsparkles
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They got rid of the Day Traders and now they have the Market to themselves, to do with as they please.  The no volume melt up, trading pennies all day to flatline the stocks.  Sub penny quotes.

I do not think they want individual traders in the market anyway.  They only want the Big Boys to play.  The Mutual Funds do not panic and will support a Stock.  Day Traders would panic and throw them off kilter.  Always was a Big Boys Club and now they have it all to themselves.

I suppose prices will go higher but I would not put my Money on the line at the prices so many of the Mo Mo stocks are at today.  Yes, with the FED printing money until June I do think Aapl will get over the $400. mark, Amzn and Netflix will also probably still rocket but not with my particiaption.  I got burnt too many times trying to buy High.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:03 | 813872 Saxxon
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Two ongoing fallacies:

1.  That the FED or anyone else gives a damn about daytraders.  The seas are full of Leviathan daytrading entities already.  The little guy traders, whom I think we are talking about here, never added up to much post-1999.  If anything the brokers would want daytraders for the commissions and the dumb money.

2.  That a little guy daytrader cannot make money in this big, bad manipulated market.  That's just sour grapes.  The market is always rigged, always manipulated.  You can make money off swings regardless of what is causing the swings.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 22:22 | 814692 El Hosel
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    "I do not think they want individual traders in the market anyway"


       They don't want a "market" at all, they want stocks up no matter what. It is policy for now to pump up the big indices it is all Robo all the time and the robos are programed to go green. 

     The SPY at 1200 has gone nowhere in 12 years. The bankstas in charge are up huge along with the politicians and regulators.


Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:34 | 813638 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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PMs f@#%in' crushing fools today.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:23 | 813765 GoinFawr
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I can sense some are feeling a bit of  squeeeeeeeeeeeze right now.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:43 | 813644 Cdad
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Just as the conversation of Creation Units Machines is so incomprehensible, so too is the notion that you can sell upside calls on "risk" while simultaneously shorting mid term puts on "complacency", but hedge yourself by buying VXX call options [which I think is a derivative of a derivative] so that you can go ahead and naked short the crap out of spot...which is against the law but so what...

...all causing the S&P, which is entirely driven by the Roach Motel [SPY] to SIT UP ROLL OVER and PLAY DEAD...all in an afternoon with the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street partying on at the OPEN BAR...

If you get the same feeling I get, then you get the sense that INVESTORS [lol] simply have no business being part of this market...which is probably why they keep pouring out of the stock market week after week, and why The Bernank keeps on printing dollars and stuffing them into syndicate banks...

...and why the Blow Horn focuses on Black Friday and Self-gifting...while SEC agents surf porn...and M. Shaprio sits in meetings with  K. Langone and L. Blankfein [and such] to learn which laws she should enforce and which laws she should ignore..while the criminal syndicate bankers cash $100 million bonus checks.... Average Joe pays $3+ at the pump for Christmas because the USO is doing its part to prop up the Roach Motel [SPY]...which is why I am sitting under a pile of winter coats in my closet posting from my computer which is plugged into non-gov't-conforming plug and feeling OK about FBI guys NOT finding me because they are somewhere in PA busting some low-level criminal syndicate Wall Street banker grunts [wearing hockey helmets] because that is easier than taking on the fact...


Do I have all that right?


I did not even get to $11 burritos, PEs of infinity, or drug companies that suck at getting their new drug ideas approved...which I would like to be debating IF the whole damn thing was not so obviously evidence that we are all Freakin' Doomed no matter what...

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:53 | 813683 Waterfallsparkles
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C dad, too funny.  I too am sitting in my house at 58 degrees with socks, an overcoat of sorts.  Although, that is warm as I turn it down to 52 degrees at night.  $305. for 100 gallons of Oil just does not go that far.  As far a driving, I am lucky that I live about 1 mile from a small shopping center with a Grocery, Drug, Liquor, McDonalds, etc. store.  Do not have to go far to get what I need.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:12 | 813739 Cdad
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Are you at all related to UnicornDew?  Just asking.

Good luck out there, brother.  This complete fiction cannot remain in place much longer IMO.  As it gets colder....


Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:39 | 813790 Waterfallsparkles
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No Cdad not related.  I do live off fixed income. 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:47 | 813835 Cdad
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That all sucks and I am sorry for your trouble.  Of all the things I have done in my life, I was only good at two things:  teaching...and timing my real estate sales....but I have friends who are in your position, as I know who bad that sucks.

I guess what folks do is simply decide which bills to stop paying first.  In your case, heat...which also sucks.  Where the local tax assessor comes in there...I suppose that is the hard question.

But it is my duty...not because of any contracts but out of decency tell you that things are probably going to keep on sucking really bad [in the event that you did not already know]...and maybe really even the fiction of our economy is starting to read like a pop up book, if you know what I mean.

And as for my comment about UnicornDew [and I thought about trying PixieDust], please forgive how I had a little joke at your expense...because I have been in this closet all day not really even wanting to see how expensive some burritos can get on a day like this...which also sucks.





Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:34 | 813952 Waterfallsparkles
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I deleted most of my post.  People would not feel sorry for me owning Rental Real Estate.  But the truth is that the shoe maker does not have shoes for his children.  If things are lean you have to take the brunt of the downturn.  The Rental Properties have to be in pristine condition and where you live tends to go into the toilet.  Including cutting back on heat.  Tenants have it but you may not.  I know that last year I was paying about $1,000. per month for utilities on vacant properties.  That sucks.  Most are 2 apts and if you have one Tenant you have to provide the heat and electricity for the other. 

Plus, after the spike in prices 3 years ago my Property Taxes went up about 150%.  I had one property that went from $3,000. per year to $7,100. per year and another that went from $3,300. a year to $8,500.  There is no way you can make that much up in rent.  I tried and lost all of my Tenants.  Ended up with 8 to 9 months of vacancy. The increase was close to $10,000. per year increase in property taxes.  They do not give you a break on Property Taxes if you are a Landlord.  They can raise them as much as they want. 

Although, in retrospect, I am so glad to be invested in Real Estate instead of the Stock Market.  Yes, my Properties have lost value but I still can get a decent return and they are not going anywhere.  Eventually they will return to the prior value.  It may take 5 or 10 years but so be it.  Mean time I do not have to pay exorbitant taxes.


Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:23 | 813942 Monday1929
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More please on the $11.00 Burritos.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 15:46 | 813670 Waterfallsparkles
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Well, another thought.  It is easy for Banks and Mutual Funds to buy overvalued Stocks.  It is not their Money on the line.  If they lose someone else takes the consequence of their bad bets.  Plus, the Fed has made it impossible for any of the Banks or Mutual Funds to invest anywhere else.  So the FED has created its own Monopoly Money of sorts. The too Big to Fail Banks have the implicit guarantee from the FED that they will not fail.  They will just print Money and stick it to the Tax Payer, no matter what.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:54 | 813852 InExile
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Buy for the mandate.  PA is different.

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:02 | 813712 dan10400
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What is typically the difference between the front/mid/long ends of the volativity curve?  Any idea what this looked like back in August?

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:10 | 813734 Cdad
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I'm not sure on the first question.

I'm not sure it matters on the second question.

Right now, I see a few roaches at the back door of the Roach Motel...and if any FBI agents have been listening in today on ZH...then the VXX Creation Units Machine could be unplugged at any second, causing Volitility to SUDDENLY experience market know...known human, Earth-like market forces.  And anyway, NO ONE picked up Ms. Euro or gave her an Altoid

Which is to say....who knows? 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:06 | 813722 Tense INDIAN
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sometimes i think all these analysis and charting ...wont give much of a clue to the next market crash .....but something completely unrelated event...........Some ZHers might know this.....some anonymous blogger in some google forum PREDICTED EXACT DATE of the 2008 crash(SEP 15)  .........this has been quite hotly debated in the blogosphere....


 MOST PROBABLE DATE of next CRASH=====>>>>FEB 7 2011

Tyler , i think u better analyse these dates and past events......heres the link to site discussing that PREDICTION:::

this is the original thread:


Anyone could have made that prediction right....but his account was linked to another prediction in October 2007:---



Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:44 | 813823 Dingleberry Jones
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Interesting stuff. We'll see what happens in early February...

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:57 | 813864 AGoldhamster
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check this out:

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Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:55 | 813997 squexx
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Interesting, I followed his email to that site and was going to post it. Evidently, he has a $105.00 subscription rate to his blog and past material. Here is a whois search on that website.


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Fri, 12/17/2010 - 17:44 | 814003 flacon
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...scroll down.... to where? What is it that you are trying to point us to? 

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 19:23 | 814221 AGoldhamster
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seems that that is his site - and he (reinhardt) is also posting there ... see 12.15.10, so why not ask him about that date

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 16:14 | 813745 AGoldhamster
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From low VIX and "risk off", as usual, to Gold: Gold today broke this weeks downtrend - now back up north?

Or will Blythe attack once more next week towards metal futures OE?

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