Volatility Chasing Goes Gold: Precious Metals Drop On Year End Profit-Taking Rumor

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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:33 | 788792 ReeferMac
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D'oh!!! This one's a stomach turner....

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:40 | 788837 66Sexy
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take a ride on the 'Dizzy'...


DZZ, that is.


Then use the profits to buy physical. Simple enough idea.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:44 | 788856 ReeferMac
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Thanks Sexy... DGP's been kind to me in the past, so I may use that to play the other side.

Just sorry I didn't see Tuesday coming (now if it can get back before expiration this month, it'll just make for a funny war-story (assuming the ulcer doesn't kill me))

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:58 | 788920 Slash
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It was asking for a drop. It (silver) moved up there too quick. Don't bet (in the short term anyways) against the people with the printing presses or commercial banks.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:52 | 789453 edwardscpa
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Psych 101:  yesterday, I wanted to buy PM.  Today, I do not.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:03 | 788926 66Sexy
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higher rates across the board is bad for ALL equity, except anti-equity: shorts..

Got Cash?

This could be a significant reversal. If there is a semi crash in PM's the physical demand at some point will extinguish supply and there wont be any availability.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:26 | 789018 Syntaxkat
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Funny how APMEX and other sites don't reflect the drop in spot to the price in physical, still offering them at the high.  Guess the run's bigger than expected.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:02 | 789221 Red Neck Repugnicant
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This is fucking bonkers! 

Monday morning, after watching a cartoon on YouTube and reading some comments on a blog, I bought a bunch of silver. After paying retail value, plus juice, I own these damn silver bars at $32/oz. I didn't think much of it because a trillion dollar bank on Wall Street was (supposedly) going to implode very soon, and the price of silver was going to hit $75/oz or more. This was a fact, and the only variable was whether or not the world was going to end.   

Tuesday, I went and bought a Jaguar, based on this inside information that I had and the enormous profits that I mentally booked for myself. 

48 hours later, I still haven't received the bars, and my dealer said he'd buy them back from me at the wholesale value of $27/oz. He said the rumor of JPM going bust turned out to be just a bunch of mania, driven primarily by silver/gold dealers trying to dump inventory at record high prices to a record numbers of idiots.   

Nucking' Futs!

Anyone want to buy my Jaguar? I can't afford it anymore. 




Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:16 | 789343 Whizbang
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You didn't seriously buy precious metals at 10 year highs did you? Tell me you're joking

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:45 | 789413 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Yes, I did.  I wish I hadn't. And I think it's more like 30 year highs.

There was only one poster on this forum this past weekend that advised on selling silver/gold on Monday.  He said that while fundamentals are certainly strong, the current price movement was indicative of pure mania, rumor and speculation by dealers trying to unload inventory at record high prices. 

That person got junked over 40 times and ridiculed by EVERYONE.  So I assumed EVERYONE was right.

I bought.  Not only did I buy, I used my head as collateral and now I'm getting calls from a neurosurgeon representing Mr. Lucifer.  Anyone know who Mr. Lucifer is?


Palin/O'Donnell/coins/cans/conservatives 2012

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:57 | 789477 RafterManFMJ
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Pretty sure he is the chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:24 | 789598 Chupacabra
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Uninteresting troll is uninteresting.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:37 | 789654 GoinFawr
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:51 | 789693 RockyRacoon
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Day trading is not wise.   When I was paying $7.33 each for Silver Eagles back in 1995, I thought dealers were nuts asking $8 for them in the numismatic periodicals.   Not so much any more.

Hang in there.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 19:29 | 790670 Lord Koos
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I started buying silver two weeks ago, at $27, 28, 29 and 30.  I am so not worried.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:41 | 789411 Slartebartfast
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Don't be such a putz.  Take delivery of your bars and wait.  You will do very well.  The shyster here is your dealer, trying to panic you so he can make money on bars he doesn't even have.  Tell him you want delivery and see what happens.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:10 | 790008 UncleFurker
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The mistake wasn't buying the silver, it was buying the Jaguar.


Wed, 12/08/2010 - 18:16 | 790347 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Yeah, there might be some truth to that.

The Jaguar salesperson told me the $10,000 addendum to the MSRP was due to the rarity of the car, and that I probably could sell the Jaguar on Craigslist for $20,000 over MSRP, netting me an instant profit of nothing since the taxes on the purchase would eat almost all of it. But at least I (supposedly) wouldn't lose money. 

Well, that was bullshit.  I went to the other Jaguar dealer this afternoon and tried to sell it to them, but they offered me $20,000 less than MSRP, and the vehicle is only 26 hours old with 14 miles on it.

I'm such a fucking sucker!  First I take the advice of all you idiots and buy silver at 30 year highs, because everyone here told me it was going to $75/oz and that the failure of JPM was imminent. Then I buy this Jaguar with the imaginary profits and loose another $20,000.

For me to break even out of my silver trade that I made on Monday, silver would have to reach $34/oz., because I only get wholesale when I sell it back to the dealer.  At today's prices that puts me $7/oz underwater!

You fuckers!  BOB SAGET!!

I don't understand why the Jaguar dealer lied to me, and I don't understand why the silver/gold dealer lied.  Are they just trying to make money off me?  That's ridiculous!  Fuck Obama!

Palin/O'Donnell/coins/cans/conservatives 2012


Thu, 12/09/2010 - 02:38 | 791706 Elitist Lib Dum...
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What I really mean to say is: please, please, please do not save my statements from this thread and use them against me when gold/silver go back up. My ego is far too inflated and fragile to handle ever being told I'm wrong. As a matter of fact, I'm never wrong. Never wrong, and markets do not change, got it? All markets move linearly. Gold and silver down today; gold and silver down forever. Capice?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 17:15 | 790051 Exposer of Inte...
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sniff sniff

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:24 | 789820 DosZap
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Yep, and why?, because no one is DUMPING physical.

At least anyone with a brain.

Supply & demand, this is DECEMBER.

Happens every year.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:12 | 789144 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, it is never a bad idea to have some cash, best of all would be some FRNs, both for emergency purposes as well as for PM dip buying.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:21 | 789807 RockyRacoon
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Does anyone remember the old days:  When silver broke $20 and gold broke $1,000?

Didn't think so...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:43 | 789891 Maiden Lane
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I thought it was exciting when it went from high 500 to around seven briefly then back and ground sideways for a year.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 23:03 | 791291 GoinFawr
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Wow, you must be shitting your pants on a daily basis over the last couple of years then. I pity your drycleaner, and your fellow carpoolers.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:40 | 789228 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Not equity in gold.  When Volker began to raise rates, gold followed lock step.  Gold peaked when interest rates did.  Raising interest rates shows a loss of faith in policy; a loss of faith in policy is a boon for real assets, ie gold.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:17 | 789346 Slash
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gold kept rising b/c real rates were still negative. It took some time for them to turn positive.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:45 | 788858 Arius
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yeap - that's exactly what Goldman kept doing... 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:43 | 788855 hugovanderbubble
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Long TLT

Long Financials CDS´s


Long PUT ES 1110 JAN 2011

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:55 | 788902 Whizbang
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Hope this cheers you up. I thought it was hilarious. 



Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:32 | 789638 midtowng
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It's just weak hands being chased out of PMs. Its the sign of a bull market in action.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:34 | 788795 MichaelNY
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I'd call it a buy opportunity...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:36 | 788811 papaswamp
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probably not for a day or 3.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:41 | 788839 MichaelNY
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(...if I were not already all in.)

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:51 | 788885 ReeferMac
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Popping the Tum's w/ ya Mikey!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 11:56 | 788912 thetruth
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i'm levered agq and ugl...

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:07 | 788951 ReeferMac
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LOL! Stuffed the liquid part of the IRA into calls in AGQ and GDX on one of the bounces yesterday (that were masquerading as a bottom)!!!!!

I'd suggest great-minds-think-alike, but clearly we're just a couple of shitheads!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:20 | 788991 thetruth
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hahaha yes that looks to be the case.  could have bought today...should come back eventually

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:01 | 789113 ReeferMac
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It bottomed at 28.01 right about where a channel's setting up, but I dunno if I've got enough extrinisic left before it gets to the other side of the channel again. Maybe lighten up a little if there's enough of a bounce today. See what comes when it gets to the MA's? Do those still work, or is TA completely flown the coop?

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:38 | 789219 thetruth
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if i can get a bounce back to monday's levels i'm going to switch to physical i think.  just not sure how to time this one

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:54 | 789703 RockyRacoon
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People making buying/selling decisions on 50 cent swings are day trading.

That's not how physical metals are used for wealth storage.

If you're getting burned on ETF trades, then knock yourself out, but you'll not get much in the way of sympathy from true goldbugs.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:06 | 789129 ColoradoBikerChic
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Yes, there was a 'masquerading bottom' yesterday.   Ah, the trials and tribulations of reading charts, just when ya think ya have the answers, they change all the dam questions on us..... but uh... looking at the hourly in the moment on SLV, we're now at the 200ma with a DOJI and and HAMMER following... could be time to back up the truck.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:55 | 789710 RockyRacoon
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There are no tops or bottoms in silver/gold -- just relative "prices" in fiat currencies.

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:52 | 789939 jahbless
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Wed, 12/08/2010 - 16:24 | 789822 MichaelNY
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Thanks Mac but truth to tell, I'm not the least bit worried...  ;-)


You see, I have long known that the PM's would retain their value and the goal of the EE is to destroy the USA through the systemic flaw of its monetary system.  My concern is not for the metals, but rather what the neighborhood will look like when that and food and ammo are the last remnants of fungible goods. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:21 | 789000 Henry Chinaski
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Good timing for my IRA packed with GLD and SLV that gots to be rolled into a Roth this year. 


Think about it.  Gold only broke $1,000 about a year ago and Silver sat below $20 forever...  Wake me up at $1,200 so I can buy more physical. 

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 12:30 | 789027 docj
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That's about what I figured - at 1200 for AU and 22.50 for AG I start buying again.  Thanks, COMEX Crime Syndicate!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 13:12 | 789090 docj
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Heh - I thought I commented on this.  I suppose I should have known better.  Oh well, another day another server burp!

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 14:47 | 789430 reload
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I started accumulating Physical Gold in March 08 at $1000, it went down to $700 by October. My attempts to finess my additional purchases were not great and for ages (until Apr 09 in fact) my average price was offside. I did not loose ANY sleep!

Since that first purchase in 08 I have exitted the equity market completely and continued to buy gold every eight weeks. In October 09 I started to acquire Silver every 8 weeks. So once a month I make a cash transaction with a reputable bullion dealer, Gold and Silver on alternate months.

I no longer put any money into a pension, mutual fund, money market fund or any other `product`

My pension holdings from previous contributions are commodity, resource, energy and food production focussed.

As long as the printing of Fiat money continues I will stick with my strategy. I am not nimble enough to finess my purchases, let alone worry about day trading the stuff.   

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 15:51 | 789696 Strider52
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