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War Between Israel And Hizbollah "Imminent" Syria Warns US
The middle east powder keg is on the verge of exploding. After repeated warnings of possible escalation between Iran and Israel, we get the first official confirmation that the conflict may not be tidy and contained. The Telegraph is reporting that King Abdullah of Jordan has just warned the US that a war between Israel and Hizbollah is imminent and that is could spread across the Middle East. Just like the Great Depression ended in a Great War, so this ongoing Great Depression v2.0 (because -10% GDP when one takes away the government stimulus is precisely that) is likely about to result in another one.
From the Telegraph:
The king, in Washington for President Barack Obama's nuclear summit, gave his warning after Israel claimed that Syria had handed over Scud missiles in its armoury to the Lebanon-based Hizbollah.
His comments, which were made to private meeting of the US Congressional Friends of Jordan caucus were said to be "sobering".
Syria yesterday denied the allegation that it has provided Hizbollah with long-range Scud missiles, which would allowing them to target Israel's cities. The country's foreign ministry said the claims would be used as a pretext by Israel to raise tension prior to a possible attack on Hizbollah.
"For some time now, Israel has been running a campaign claiming that Syria has been supplying Hizbollah with Scud missiles in Lebanon ," a foreign ministry statement released yesterday said.
" Syria strongly denies these allegations which are an attempt by Israel to raise tensions in the region."
However, the statement did not appear to rule out an alternative possibility being raised by defence sources, that Damascus has allowed Hizbollah control of or access to Scud missiles still currently in Syria .
Similar sources say that Syria has trained Hizbollah operatives on advanced anti-aircraft batteries, possibly a more useful tool since Hizbollah – and the Lebanese army - fears the overwhelming air superiority enjoyed by Israeli jets.
The official US position:
"We are obviously increasingly concerned about the sophisticated weaponry that is allegedly being transferred," said Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman. "We have expressed our concerns to those governments and believe that steps should be taken to reduce any risk and any danger."
And that of Israel:
Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, said that the alleged transfer would alter the strategic balance of power between Hizbollah and Israel, which fought a short but bloody war in 2006.
An aide to Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, said that the pace of Hizbollah's re-armament and Syria's role in it was causing growing alarm in the Jewish state.
"We are very conscious of the build-up of Hizbollah's military machine," the aide said. "We have unfortunately seen new types and greater quality of missiles. The Syrian role in passing those weapons to Hizbollah is ongoing and is dangerous."
Al-Rai, the Kuwaiti newspaper which first raised the allegations, said a Hizbollah source had confirmed it had access to Scuds but that they were old and unusable. The source said the issue was being blown out of proportion by Israel in order to create a media frenzy.The newspaper did, however, link the claims to Hizbollah's threat that if Lebanese infrastructure, such as Beirut Airport , came under attack in the event of conflict, Israel would be hit in turn, including towns at the edge of the range of Hizbollah's known missile arsenal.
What is undisputed is that all sides are raising the stakes in the absence of negotiations between Israel and either Palestinian factions or Syria.
Look for oil to go to $150 if these escalations finally materialize into something real.
Update: Haaretz on the same issue: Israel's Scud accusation may be pretense for attack
Israel might be preparing a military strike against
Syria by accusing Damascus of supplying Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon
with long-range Scud missiles, the Syrian government said on Thursday.
President Shimon Peres on Tuesday accused Syria of sending
Hezbollah long-range Scuds. The United States said on Wednesday it was
"increasingly concerned" about the transfer of more sophisticated
weaponry to the Syrian and Iranian-backed Islamist group that fought a
war with Israel in 2006.
"Israel aims from this to raise tension further in the region and
to create an atmosphere for probable Israeli aggression," the Syrian
Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "The Syrian Arab Republic denies these fabrications."Hezbollah hit Israel with shorter range rockets during the 2006 war
as at that time it lacked a longer-ranger missile capability.An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Scuds were smuggled to Hezbollah in the past two months.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak insisted earlier this week that Israel does not have aggressive intentions in the area.
"We expect and recommend that everyone keep the current calm but as
we've said, the introduction of systems that disturb the balance
endanger the stability and the calm, he said.
The United States said the move would have a possible
"destabilizing effect" on the region. The presence of more advanced
missiles in Lebanon could raise the prospects of a pre-emptive strike
by Israel.Hezbollah is on the U.S. terrorism blacklist, but is part of Lebanon's unity government.
The Lebanese government has had no comment on the U.S. allegations.
But Hezbollah lawmaker Hassan Fadlallah said the comments made by the
White House were interference."This American interference that has completely adopted the Israeli
position, is condemned and rejected by Lebanon. This U.S. position
presents a threat to Lebanon," Fadlallah said."These American pressures and Israeli intimidation will not affect
our choices and our commitment to defend our country by all means,"
Fadlallah told Reuters.Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said in February that if Israel
struck Beirut's airport, the group would hit Israel's Ben-Gurion
airport.While tension between Syria and Israel has increased this year,
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad said last month he remained committed
to seeking peace with Israwl.Syrian and Israeli forces last fought each other in Lebanon in the
1980s. A 1974 ceasefire has kept the front between the two quiet on the
Golan Heights, which Israeli captured in the 1967 Siz-Day War.The two sides held four rounds of indirect peace talks in 2008,
only eight months after Israeli plains bombed a target in eastern Syria
the United States, Israel's chief ally, said was an illegal nuclear
project.Syria said the target was a non-nuclear military installation, and
"reserved the right to respond in the appropriate time and place."
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its true, the jews control EVERYTHING. /s
You forgot to say ... GoLD BICTHES!1!
It's no doubt time for Israel to go kick some Mideast ass. There's not much we can do about it.
Except to re-supply them when they get low on cluster bombs. I hope you are including a check with your tax return today, they'll need all the funding they can get.
I am Chumbawamba.
Ouch!!!!
I better stop payment on my check.
taxes? Oh i forgot. No , actually its pointless. I dont have the money and they no longer have the authority or legitimacy (they once .er never had)
What are they gonna do? Shoot me or lock me up! Like i care where i get my square. Hell the whole world is a prison in so many ways.
Seniors now a days rob banks in the hopes of getting arrested. A newlywed laid himself on the tracks, yes he is dead now.My neighbors son in law. Folks are dying left and right from the economic nonrecovery. Those of us with computers are unlikely to see the suffering all around us.
I never saw any pregnant gals till mine got that way, nor do we see the elderly so much until we age. Point is , its worse out there than most of you are aware of.
Bomb the shit out of Israel once already and there will be peace.
I do not understand [ok i do, but for the sake of the thread and the bet] why does the US supports the genocidal Israel and its advancement towards a nuclear war.
Now let me quote the great King Abdul Aziz al-Saud the first king of the Third Saudi State:" What Hitler had done to the Jews in Europe is beyond condemnation, but why should we give our land to them. If you want to give them their own land, give them a part of Germany."
Unfortunately FDRs successor Truman was a unilateral motherfucker who disregarded the advice given to FDR and pushed forward the creation of Israel which finally was legitimized on November 29th 1947 by the United Nation General Assembly Resolution 181.
The unilateral proclamation was forever remembered by the Faisal ibn Saud al-Saud, Third King of the Third Saudi State and was THE MAIN reason for Saudi oil embargo in the 1970s.
Not to prolong this into a rant i say; bomb them back into the stone age or disallow the Zionist monster and form another lawful multi-lateral state of Israel which would behave nothing like this present, monstrous creation of the 19th century european banking families.
And Arabs (all humans in general) are very peaceful. They have never started any wars, have never conquered the middle east and north Africa and had never prosecuted the local populous - you can easily be a follower of Zoroastrianism in Iran, no prosecution for the last 500 years whatsoever.
CB, you are a bright fellow, and you could do much better than being a hypocrite.
Paleolithic societies were peaceful. You want to talk about human nature? Make my day.
forgot to mention:
And yeah, Palestine was governed by Palestinians who had a very prosperous and industrialized state and not Ottomans & British for the last 500 years, prior to 1949.
The use of /sarc tags on some of these posts would make the whole process of following the debate a little easier for simple people like me.
History is long, wide, and deep on the Great Continent (Afri-euro-asia) and if each person living there keeps a chip on his/her shoulder about what was/is/might have been in the racial/ethinic/cultral conflicts that have passed through since civilization first arose there, then there is no question that that the entire planet is DOOMED.
There is only one time to act - the eternal present. There is only one time to offer mercy, compassion, understanding, and build a responsible society. THE PRESENT!
It doesn't matter who "made" the current nation-states; that process is in the PAST. People in the PRESENT can choose to behave responsibly, and put the past to rest, and then deal with ACTUAL criminality & antisocial behavior by living people in the PRESENT. A society that deals with what IS has half a chance; anything else is a recipe for disaster.
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I am Chumbawamba.
Can't agree more, any rational decision could be based only on the PRESENT.
sarc tag is very needed.
Awesome clarity.
I don't see how introducing past events makes your response to me valid or on topic.
The discussion here is not the Muslim Conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, nor Persian Conquest of the Middle East, nor the Saudi Wars of the early 20th century, nor the Later Mongolian Expansion, but Israeli blood lust masked as a preemptive action against a phantom enemy, an action which could easily lead to the use of nuclear weapons of unknown scale and eventually engulf most of the globe in another futile and useless conflict. While to an untrained eye your introduction of examples of Muslim warfare [which is centuries old and/or local in nature] may seem as a fair attempt at presenting an argument contrary to mine it is a non-sequitur and a lame attempt in deconstruction of present events and potential ramifications.
If you were in their shoes, would you be any different?
All you do is gloriously vilify one of the sides without saying anything meaningful or objective. And all I did, was to highlight that your position is hypocritical and one sided. Moreover, it will lead only to dead end by aggregating the other side and destroying any possibility of meaningful and rational compromise, some call such a situation - the prisoner's dilemma.
It makes everyone to lose & whoever has a dominated position, (Palestinians) lose the most. If it makes you feel any better, losses on all sides will be unaceptably high.
Being anti-Israel is being objective. You can't polish a turd.
I am Chumbawamba.
An argument of a small child. Nothing more in this world smells of a victory as much as such a statement. Thank you.
Well, when what you've been peddling is shit all your life, anything smells like victory to you.
I am Chumbawamba.
A rebellion without a cause, just because you don't want to confirm, is conformism as well because you are doing exactly what is convenient for the herd and the political elite. They don't want you do be rational and objective hence dangerous and capable of shaking the convenience and society. They want you to act on your emotions and rage, so you could easily be dismissed by the most.
And you play well into such a plan, a perfect pawn of some sort, congrats !
You go on believing that if it means keeping your sanity. I don't want you taking out a pre-school with some fertilizer and diesel, so yeah.
I am Chumbawamba.
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Your identity is now in the hands of the Mossad, and various intelligence agencies.
Everyone's is:
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AMDOCS BITCHES!!
I am Chumbawamba.
Where is your equal or greater concern for nuclear war between India and Pakistan? Read up on the history of Kashmir and then explain to us why you are obsessed with Israel as the only relevant current event.
Because:
a) i am not concerned at all
b) this is nothing more than intelectual masturbation session for me
c) India and Pakistan do not have a "Samson option"
d) India and Pakistan dont have lobbyist or USA VPs on their paylist
e) will maybe be concerned once when Karachi, Islamabad, Lahore, Peshawar
fall under Taliban governance
f) because that area has been relatively stable in the past few years
g) are not funded by foreign aid
h) India is more concerned with economy that religious differentiation
which became irrelevant when both Pakistan and Bangladesh became
independent nations
i) Obamas cabinet members do not have dual Indian or Pakistani citizenship
The Rothschildes funded Is-Ra-El. They built the whole parliament. This is discussed in Nigel Ferguson's epic and authorized biography, "The House of Rothschilde".
Actually, mostly Russian Socialist Jews built/founded the Israel. And while Rothschilders did give some funds, those were mostly to get the credit and not to achieve any significant results.
They built the parliment, and other prominant structures.
You started your post off with "actually", 'just' wanted to point that out.
And do you know WHY they didn't want to relocate the Jews either somewhere in the US or Europe or, GOD FORBID, repatriate them to their stolen homes in Germany, Poland, etc.? Because of hatred and bigotry towards Jews. Truman was a Jew hater (he apparently hated Arabs even more) and didn't really care what happened to those kikes. He figured it was better to foist them off onto the Arabs.
People blame the Arabs all the time for the Jewish plight and Israel, when all along it was the STUPID MOTHER FUCKING WHITE MAN who caused this. The White Man started World War I, the White Man created Mandate Palestine, the White Man took land away from indigenous Arabs who had lived and worked it for generations going back before Christ and it was the White Man who approved the creation of the "state" of Israel.
So either learn your history (I'm not talking to you, Cheeky, this is a generalized rant to the ignorant) or SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHITE MAN.
I am Chumbawamba.
Selfhating whiteman here; FWIW Truman was partners in a Haberdasher shop with a Jew who was his lifelong friend. Now is it possible Harry could have been operating under the "he is one of the good one" theory, yes, but I don't know if he was a dyed in the wool anti-semite.
Extreme anything, position or decision will never work. Was the WHITE mane involved, you betcha. Can you focus on the past to solve the present issue? NO, it just doesn't f. work & history or decent analysis is the best illustration.
the reign of the white man is ending
Yeah, as soon as the nonwhites can invent anything useful. Till then, STFU
trav, my bad for not using a sarcasm tag. (s/) but in all seriousness, i would say the relative strength of europeanish people is on the wane. asia is on the upswing and our birthrates are LOW.
fyi- i love everybody in this life
Oh, fuck off.
Most of the land that comprises Israel was PURCHASED.
Just like we bought Manhattan from the goddamned Injuns.
The rest Israel won in a war of INDEPENDENCE against the combined Arab powers.
You act as if the Partition was reacted to by the Ayrabs with sighs and resignation. Bullshit.
They IMMEDIATELY attacked, claiming annexation of Palestine for Jordan. Fucking learn your history, idiot.
Then, there were subsequent wars in 1967 and 73 (and in 56) where Israel won again and again. That is how these supposed "occupied territories" came to be occupied by the Jooz instead of by the Jordanians. Wanna talk about what the King did to the Palestinians?
Fuck your stupid BS about the damned white man.
You may or may not like Jooz or Israel, but they fought a war and that's that.
lol, logic.
Were I President I would pursue a policy of strategic disengagement from the Middle East. The interests of Israel and the USA are not coextensive. The way AIPAC and the moneyjooz manhandle our foreign policy is repugnant.
That said, LET THEM SETTLE THEIR BEEFS. If the Arabs want to attack, fine. When they lose, STFU AND TAKE IT.
Fucking Russia just annexed Ossetia in a war...are we bitching? Jordan annexed Palestine in the West Bank, nobody said SHIT. Then the jooz took it and now it's history's biggest crime (2nd of course to the Holocaust and anything any white person ever did).
WTFEver. We need to GTFO and let them settle it. If the jooz get pushed into the ocean, that's their problem. If the Ayrabs do, likewise. Fuckin WHATEVER. If they're hellbent to go to war and kill each other, hey, have the fuck at it.
Let the Trial by Combat commence; both parties want it.
Israel is not going to take it. They are going to "give" it - as usual. They've dragged US into this - are they going to start playing by the rules suddenly?
Hey, sounds like you need to read some Solzhenitsyn. How's 60 million dead for you? The Gulag Archipelago is a lot more explicit and verifiable - how 'bout all them dead Christians, aka "insects". Same story, just decades longer.
What a whiny, ignorant bitch you are.
This reminds me of an early memory. It was the last day of Kindergarten, might've been 1st grade. The principal of my school was going around the classrooms saying bye to the kids until next school year. He came to me and picked up my arm and playfully started batting my face with it. "Little Chumba, why are you hitting yourself in the face? Stop it!"
All the kids around laughed, a good time was had by all.
What you're saying here is the same damn thing: "Oh, Arabs, why do you keep killing each other over land and religion?" Meanwhile, YOU cause the conflicts and YOU send in the tanks and bombs.
And not many people are laughing. Well, maybe except for you.
I am Chumbawamba.
But it was the WHITE British mandate men. During the Ottoman times both Jews and Palestinians lived relatively peaceful. And it made sense for a foreign occupation power to divide, because that way, it was easier to conquer.
Dude, if you know the history you would know that prior to 19 century, Jews had full rights and number of liberties in the "middle east" which could not be said about Europe.
Where did you get your "facts", Zionist U?
How can you win a war of "INDEPENDENCE" when you're a fucking colonizing invader? You act like they were there forever and ethnic strife drove them to separate from their former ethnic rivals.
THE PLAN ALL ALONG WAS TO COLONIZE AND STEAL THE HOLY LAND FROM THE ARABS.
It's just another crusade, and that you're too stupid or too dishonest to acknowledge it matters not. Facts are facts (unless you have a degree from Zionist U).
And you admonish me to learn MY history? Mother fucker, learn YOUR history, the one that includes the rape, pillage and murder of nearly every third world nation that has a flag today.
Fuck you and your ilk. You ain't shit. If it wasn't for the Arabs you'd still be wandering around in the forests of Europe trying to find the eye of a newt to cure your rickets with a pagan incantation.
I am Chumbawamba.
we are all colonists
Yeah, bitch, YOU learn YOUR fucking history.
The fuckin joos moved into the land and BOUGHT IT.
That's a goddamned FACT.
The war was one of independence and they WON.
So get the fuck over it you whiny brat.
Another crusade? GTFO of here with your moral relativist shit...so what the fuck were the Moor invasions? WTF did Charles Martel do?
Your sorry ass do-over revisionist history is so much postmodern TRIPE. The fuckin Arabs? Those who carried science were hated by the orthodoxy. Everything you think you know is a joke. Greece and Rome ring any bells, bum?
Your facts are not facts, they're a fucking joke fed to you by a bunch of socialist revisionist morons.
If you read a SINGLE THING I write on here, you will see that I am the one who POINTS OUT the monoethnicity of Hollywood studio executives AND banksters...but then because I don't buy into your anti-Israeli shit, I have a Zionist U degree. FOAD, seriously.
The joos won the wars. PERIOD. And that's the mfin END OF IT. Just like we beat the freaking Aztecs.
OMG! WTF! WWJD? IANAL WYSIWYG! FU!
This is pointless. You're pointless. Get over yourself.
What percentage of modern day "Israel" was "purchased"? What percentage was stolen?
You did not even attempt to address the forced immigration of the German Jews, which is really the root of the whole problem (as the crucial element of the Zionist plan, "facts on the ground"). You talk about Middle East history like a high schooler. I'm not interested in debating a high schooler.
Get a real education, then come back and talk.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com
I am Chumbawamba.
Now you are a way wrong. Arabs wanted to colonize the holly land as well as everyone else (no exemptions) , that's why grabbing for none existent historical reality just doesn't f. work. Few Jews and slightly more Arabs lived there in relative peace prior to English Colonization.
And if it would be someone else but the WHITE man who had power, hell the situation would repeat itself but in reverse. The past is past. If you want to live in meaningful future, you ve got to move on and look at the present facts and situation.
Double posted.. my bad.
I am JW.... Got Ammo Bitches?
Chumbawamba,
Are you serious with the whole racist thing? Chumb, don't get caught up in the shit that is spun around to keep the broke people in da hood... fighting with the broke people in the trailer park.
Iran is screwed and stabilizing oil production going forward at any... ANY! Cost will happen. Don't let the Government Cloud Management sweep you away in the swill they offer freely.
The white man did it... no, no it's the black man and his welfare monies... More white's on welfare than black, FACT! and that shit is for, once again the ignorant masses... Hitler said it was the Jew's fault... Bullshit is Bullshit... spun, spinned and / or manipulated to create a topic of discussion while the Tax Payers (who are white and black) get robbed in the grandest of fashion.
Here... I offer this for you Chumb... http://vodpod.com/watch/1820590-snl-eddie-murphy-kill-the-white-people
As for any who say fuck Israel... Fuck You! Jesus was a Jew. All you evangelical freaks should be rounded up and shot for treason... spreading the word to bring about the end, rapture... whatever, it is praying for the end of America which is Treason... and as a Catholic, the times of all the liberal fucking Popes.. it’s getting towards the end... soon the Church will be able to round up the one offs and kill them off... the Catholic Church killed more Christians than Muslims in the Crusades... know your history.
Got ammo? Gold ain’t going to cut it if the shit hits the fan… and for the other post and strafing compounds? Which compound? will the Fed’s hit first? There are 5 – 6 guns per person in the U.S. so which house / compound will be first?
To be clear… public sentiment has been managed well enough to keep people out of the streets this far. I will assume when I wake up tomorrow everyone or most everyone will still be stupid or at best ignorant and that the lie will continue. Which is a softer landing that self correcting markets for almost all involved. No one argues the point of what takes into consideration the quality of life of the many verse the Austrian view of the few… which way is the more gentle way for the broad majority? Now I agree at some point unless action is taken that we will as a Country play Russian Roulette one too many times with our Fiat Print just to Print attitude but right now its holding. Which I FEAR will inspire yet more of the same, Printing in the future and eventually one too many times.
So, racism is something to keep the broke people arguing among themselves and the other side of our gated communities, blaming other broke people for being broke…
The Jew’s are not the devil and are in fact surrounded on all sides by people who broadly (the ignorant masses outnumber the educated few) want to see them all dead. The Jew’s have been at worst great lap dogs and at best a good friend to the United States.
The Evangelical freaks will get what’s coming, sooner than later if the World does melt down. I will personally see to that.
Gold and or other… Diamonds whatever is only good if… you have physical possession and you can defend it in a worst case scenario.
So, everyone who wants America to fall flat on its face better realize that the other side of America… the not so polite side that does love the Country the side that would line up Treasonous Fucks by the dozen and gun them down before dinner… well, the only reason we haven’t gotten you yet… is because of the polite, full of shit lobby driven politicians… so you better fucking hope that shit stays the same way it is now.
Got Ammo? I do! And I hate most of you ignorant fucks and I think life here in my Country would be a LOT! Better minus YOU! (not directed at you Chumb or even most here really but it had to be said.)
Be well Chumb and don’t perpetuate the rasism bullshit, don’t be a lap dog for the propaganda machine man, please… you are smarter than that, fuck man you are better than that.
JW
to JW nFL
Check the Talmud, 'Israel will be heaven on earth when
all the gentiles are dead.'
Amidst your stream of crazy there are some thoughtful comments but I don't know if that's genuine or just a "thousand monkeys banging on typewriters" phenomena.
Anyway, you fail because you attempt to equate what I clearly and consistently identify as "zionists" by saying "Jew". I don't say "Jew" unless it's relevant. What I have a problem with are zionists and the state of Israel, niether of which is "Jews". Yes, many Jews are zionists, but not all. And not all zionists are Jews. Your esteemed President of Vice Joe Biden claims to be a zionist, and I believe he's Catholic. And do remember that there are nearly 3 million Arabs living inside the borders of "Israel", and those Arabs are Christians, Muslims, Catholics, atheists, probably a few Rastafarians, etc. By the way, many Arabs in Israel are Jewish, but being Jews, they are considered Israelis proper.
So, no, do not paint me as a bigot, please. I do plead guilty on the "white man" hate. It's sort of tongue in cheek, but it's akin to saying, "Them niggers are all on welfare!!", and I think it's good to get people out of their comfort zone. It sucks being targeted because of your ethnicity, don't it?
How do you think the Iranians feel?
I am Chumbawamba.
Don't stop there CW. How about what the white man did to Native Americans? Or African tribesmen and women? Yet, the US has the "moral authority" to pursue "terrorists" halfway around the world. It's a hypocritical, cynical joke that anybody still believes the official reasons for the US occupations or that the US has moral authority.
Hence my new avatar. Top left: Wolf Robe; bottom left: Chief Joseph; middle: Geronimo; top right: Sitting Bull; bottom right: Red Cloud. Across the top: "Homeland Security"; across the bottom: "Fighting Terrorism Since 1492." When I wear the t-shirt out in public it's quite a conversation generator.
Crock of shit.
You know how those particular Injuns came to be in possession of the lands they were on, right?
CONQUEST.
It's how the Incas became a fucking empire, how the Aztecs did it, how the Mayans. Not effing democracy, but conquest and slaughter.
So spare me the crocodile tears because they ran into someone who conquered them.
What "we" did to the Africans? What about what they did to each other? How about what Arabs did to them?
Every fucking historical injustice is always about what a white person did...why? Because we won? Screw losers.
Nobody says shit about Shaka Zulu slashing and burning his way up and down West Africa, or anybody else. Or how the Arabs invaded and conquered Spain and all the way to Tours before Martel turned them back.
There is fault to go all around and history is EQUAL in terms of who committed what oppression; there are no innocents.
I would use your Tshirt full of those warmongers to wipe my ass. The Apaches were notorious for being warlike, aggressive, and violent against any rival tribe.
Hmmmm. There are two sides to the history you reference and we appear to have different appreciations for the diametrically opposed versions. However, I don't currently see the Apaches or Shaka Zulu claiming "moral authority" in order to terrorize other populations.
I don't claim any such thing either.
I CONDEMN what the USA has become, but you lump me in because I am WHITE.
All this "White man" shit is RACISM.
Exactly. And it's about time Whitey got his share.
Now that we've all been properly vilified, let us start seeing the humanity in everyone, and stop thinking the other guy is out to get us, because he ain't. It's the guys right here at home, causing all the strife in the first place, that we need to turn our sights on.
We need to start at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and move from there edifice to edifice until we clean the bastards out.
FULL RESET NOW.
Anything less would be incomplete.
I am Chumbawamba.
yeahhh for spacer797. i write down these exact thoughts. nobody gets it, or responds to me. the native american indian is our original homeland security. they are really cool t-shirts, with red cloud holding the flag?
white man is killing them softly, all the native wildlife in north america. encroaching into their habitats with the mcmansions everywhere. one of the largest elk herds in N.A. is in the snowmass wildnerness area. this huge herd is really really sick and unhealthy. the CDW doesn't know what to do with them. it has to do with the sporadic winter weather for the last couple of decades. and colorado also is encouraging more kill licenses for bear kill season. the bears are just out of control, populating and eating at all the fine restaurants in aspen. that town is in bear terror mode all summer. cougars are getting struck by cars and trucks, dead. bears get freaked when they are at the dump and climb up the electric poles for safety and die, electric chair style. the workers find them at the base dead all the time.
i think some of us should be concerned about the other beings we are amongst in our country. just my 2¢s.
i'll drink to that! Critters , like us, getting sprayed from the air. Aluminum included.
Chumba: The Ultimate Hypocrite. When others bring up the past to put things in context, you argue that it’s irrelevant and a non sequitur. But you are more than willing to invoke the past when you think it help makes your point. In this case, it actually doesn’t make your point but rather reveals your racism (and your serious lack of knowledge on the history of the Middle East and North Africa)
I disagree. Chumba has a very valid point, It was a white man originating in EU that was the instrument of earlier seeds within that conflict. However, white man is no different from any other man, who would do absolutely the same... and
Digging in the dirty laundry of the past will not bring any meaningful resolution....so
Let's just all take a break & look inside for a moment.
Maybe, just , maybe we can .
+++ good to see you continue to speak truth CB.
i would have built a bomb shelter. Hate being the sole survivor. Gonna smoke a bowl. and watch it come in. Earth= venus in the making.
Then you can cross out "Lincoln" and write "Silver" City - you'll be mayor. And I wish I could be there.
Waterwings, my eyes are moist with the knowing and understanding of whats to come. In my heart there is a huge sadness seeing how in our ignorance we have done it to ourselves. I will be fine no matter what happens. Location and conciousness is everything.
PS. Thanks for the heads up re LC. Shotgun is nearby and i get it. Thanks
+1
9mm everywhere I go.
What happened to Egypt? They punked out?
Egypt was bought off in the 1970s at Camp David. Ever since they've simply been the southern security arm of the IDF.
I am Chumbawamba.
Israel/Egypt military aid= method of recycling dollars back to the MIC. War is our only industry, peace is bad for biz.
What happened to Egypt? They punked out?
"An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Scuds were smuggled to Hezbollah in the past two months. "
With all such stories, we have have to constantly remind ourselves how dependent we are on getting the "facts" from various governments. And not just from a government, but directly from its intelligence apparatus.
Did they transfer Scuds? Maybe. How could we possibly know? What media source has the ability to either confirm or deny such a statement from the government? All they can do is report it, which is exactly what the government source wanted.
In these cases, a government can tell us whatever they want. Remember our government assuring us that Iraq was brimming with WMD?
I think about this when we hear about how Iran's nuclear program is moving so quickly. Really? How could one really know? I haven't been there. Have you?
Oh come on, Chet, stop using your brain. You're supposed to respond from raw emotion and demand that those threatening your way of life be bombed back to the stone age.
I am Chumbawamba.
In Iraq we lacked a paper trail for WMD's that would not have our (our being the U.S.A.'s) finger prints all over the documents...
The Russian's as the second largest producer of oil would be happy to see the Middle East get irradiated, broadly speaking... and thusly... would happily provide the paper trail for the equipment that they the Russian's did provide and how it was easily modified by Iran (who is now out of warranty because of the modifications). http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Russia/Background.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4301889.stm
Russia-Iran nuclear deal signed ***(Sunday, 27 February, 2005, 12:56 GMT)***
Russia and Iran have signed an agreement for Moscow to supply fuel to Iran's new nuclear reactor in Bushehr.
Under the deal Iran has to return spent nuclear fuel rods from the reactor, which was designed and built by Russia.
So, since we learned our lesson last time… and we will need to have good proof… due to the cycle of time between the invasions… we don’t have time to wait for a generation to forget and die off… thusly, paper trail or “Proof” not an issue…
Yes, Iran is going to have a change of leadership… will it be us (us being the U.S.A. proper) or will it be Israel? Israel can bomb the leadership and Mullah’s in short order… cruise missiles are accurate to 10 feet.. (more like 30 feet, but close enough) and in this massive one blow, decapitate the snakes many heads along with the most staunch supporters of what is the Iranian’s craziness… We should have stepped in during the election… but one crazy for another and all that… plus Israel is tired of being beaten on… they need a win, to keep up moral at home.
Anyone who says this is not happening… is lying to themselves. The best part is the eagle and the bear in the holy valley, ala George Bush the evangelical… he really might have been the anti Christ. Because there is no walking this back.
I wonder where the Hezbollah suddenly got all the financial support...
Muslim charities, CIA cover funds, Heroin trade facilitation/transportation.
Hush CB,
Don't tell all the secrets about the black programs every nation runs, with the US number one in the category. The world's population might just wake up, recognize they're being played like a giant haarp and demand the insanity stop.
No doubt. US has both sides of the heroin trade covered in Afghanistan. Its a good way to launder money to whoever they see fit.
Well, since Syria just handed over the LATEST SCUD designed missles,capable of hitting Tel Aviv, and Jerusalem(to the Hezzies) I would say, them crying WOLF, is a bit, shall we say disingenuous.Not to mention the stockpile of 40k less dangerous missles already stored.
Also, we KNOW for a fact the Persians have funded/supplied, both the Taliban in Iraq(against our people.
And, also, are the key financial arm of Hezbollah.
Israel has no choice but to take out Iran's
nuke sites, as fast as possible.
If Syria, and Iran, and any others decide to start the BIG one, Isreal has no choice but to use Tactical Nukes.
None.
Repost:
The US coalition must wait for there to be a new moon to bomb Iran, because that is the only time the stealth bomber is operational. That could mean it happens tonight. However, they will most likely wait for a false flag attack like Pearl Harbour (done by sanctions), Northwoods (done by force), Gulf of Tonkin (done by force), or 9/11 (done by excessive force) to usher in a motive. Because the Tri-Lateral commission meet during the first week of May, the new moon on the 14th will be an opportune time. Even more opportune is June 12th, after the Bilderberg Group meets during the first week of June.
To add, if Iran goes to war, so does China, Russia, and India, unless they kick Iran out of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. I have no idea how China can get enough oil to maintain its infrastructure if Iran leaves. Russia is not online to fuel China.
Please not Seattle first.
Seattle seceded from the union decades ago. I hear they have their own central bank and colored paper currency. Or was that rolling papers? I can't remember. :>)
The Emerald Triangle.
Although the Nanny-state is alive and well here. No guns in parks! Save the children!
Fucking idiots failing the common sense exam.
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/35217-2/compensating0818.jpg
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/35465-2/defenseless_4891.jpg
Formal letter
To China,
The Pacific North West will not be involved in perpetrating any war with you. Please remember this when the fascists continue their unrepentant threats against you, and the rest of the S.C.O. If any nation state, including D.C., makes any threats to us, our armed militias intend to kick their sorry asses.
HUANG JIN SAN BAMEN!!
Peace,
-LH
LOL
From the Pacific north west, Thank you!
Hence the derision with which Starbucks’ coffee was received when they opened up in Israel in 2001. As an Israeli food critic wrote, they offered a drink that was only ‘one step up the evolutionary chain from water used to mop the floor’
Seattle on the verge of a latte fit
"Star Bucks".......whats in a name?
Yawn! Wake me when this supposed imminent war starts which has supposedly been imminent now for the past 10 years.
Beat me to it! Precisely.
Besides - Syria? Yeah, now there's a dispassionate, impartial source.
This is Iran moving its chess pieces in preparation for a counterattack.
I mean, we moved a ton of bombs to Diego Garcia, yet nobody talks about our provocation. We'll announce another CVN moving to the Persian Gulf; can anyone as an American IMAGINE a gigantic nuclear-armed foreign warship within 20mi of OUR coast?
Trav,
It sickens me to hear friends and family spout shit that basically amounts to the following.
When the US does "it" (whatever "it" is today) it's done in the interest of peace and democracy. But whenever anyone else does "it", the US has every right to beat them over the head with our peace and democracy.
When I point out the hypocrisy of this attitude, the cowards deny any hypocrisy and the honest cowards admit to the hypocrisy but then justify it by turning full circle and spouting...........wait for it............peace and democracy.
The propaganda and indoctrination has been fully assimilated.
We're an Empire. This is what Empires do.
Are we better than they? Of course we are. Objectively. But in this respect are we so much better that we have the right to kill and steal? Hell no. It's immoral.
This US is not the one of 100 years ago whose people were isolationists and where grass roots labor power made the middle class and everything the world values was invented in.
I personally despise the jooish bent of our foreign policy, and the power that the Tribe exerts for their own interests and how it changed the US's entire ethic from one of downhome values into hyperaggressiveness. We morphed from a producer to a big culture bifurcated into the love and pursuit of money and moneychanging scams on one hand and on the other of ghettofied values systems where conspicuous consumption is valued and glorified along with misogyny, destruction, and filth.
Just trace it back to who owns the studios and banks. It's a monoethnic message and narrative and it's got to go. Dunno by what means, but this country has been flat fucking destroyed.
great comment. The messaging from the studios and banks reveals the extent to which the depravity goes.
From the banks, you must have seen those commercials from Chase Sapphire visa commercials where JPM wants presents this picture of the refined life and how they are making it happen - the truth is JPM via the Fed are THEIVES LIVING THE REFINED LIFE and TREASONOUS to the nation with its market to fantasy assets and bailouts galore. They really just want your deposits to prop up their bankrupt, derivative rich deathstar balancesheet - and they send you $100 gift cards in your junk mail redeemable if you open an account with them - and the visa commercials are really marketing a "up-scale corporate" image.
From the studios, you have these movies which really come in 3 main forms - mindless romantic comedies about peter pan men and the women who chase them, action films which reinforce the dangers of arabs/terrorists/invaders and the need for a savior, occasionally offering up the truth in narly twisted form "there are two sides to the story, and they are equal", and slapstick titillating teenage comedies designed for the 12-16 age market but advertised to all.
Nothing real gets through. Imagine real movies which talk about the society, the truly powerful (banksters), foreign policy, science, and a world of other things...nope, they keep feeding us this crap and it is surely because the control those who have the purse strings can make a fine living off of it...and they no intention of letting anything real see the light of day.
Madison Ave advertisers practical black majic helped convince many stupid is good.
final solution much?
What is the solution? Remain this hyperaggressive empire serving the foreign policy of an apartheid State?
I sense the same, young jedi. All roads lead back to the money changers and counterfeiters.
These aren't the SCUDS you are looking for.
Okay that's pretty funny.
apparently not. must be tough being a serf.
Its even more difficult to just "BE"
its not being a serf that sux so bad, its knowing you are a serf
glad to see trolls like you are really out. I rarely post on topics like this for that very reason.
i'm not a troll, i'm a chumba groupie
Let me guess as to the rhetoric coming from the White House 6 months from now, "We were well on the way to recovery with GDP growing, the stock market rising, and a stable banking system. Then this conflict in the Middle East sent oil to $180 and the recovery was thwarted."
Gack!
This is just terrible enough to be the truth.
*FYI for Captcha coder: system is still printing over-size error to screen. Pretty annoying.
I predicted this will happen in the next two weeks in the last thread.
Do I get a cookie?
I'll just take one.
If I get too fat I won't be able to to run from the tear gas. Oh, but I bet I'll be wishing I did after a few months in a camp...
Pass it on, Crummy has cookies.
Maybe someone can do some technical analysis on the wailing wall to provide an indication as to when this conflict may start or more importantly end
'This ongoing Great Depression v2.0 (because -10% GDP when one takes away the government stimulus is precisely that)...'
10% GDP ain't the marker TD...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/GDP_depression.svg
This ongoing GD 2.0 is marked by unemployment levels that are WORSE than the WORSE levels in GD1.
Seriously, you can look it up!
200!
226! Fast
The dominant faction of US-UK imperialism had radically de-emphasized any attack on Iran, and was instead intent on using Iran as a proxy or kamikaze puppet in the Brzezinski-Soros-Nye-Obama plan for an apocalyptic settling of accounts with Russia and China, in the desperate hope of securing another century of world domination for Wall Street and the City of London. This theme figures prominently in my two books on the subject, Obama the Postmodern Coup — The Making of a Manchurian Candiate (2008) and Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography (2008). This argument was backed up by references to the Brzezinski-Huntington-Soros track record in arming and building up Iran as a regional proxy for the US and the British, as as seen in the Iran-contra weapons deliveries to the Khomeini regime (which went forward during the Carter years under Brzezinski and his office boy, the current Pentagon boss Robert Gates), and the Iran-Iraq war, when Iran acted as a surrogate against the then-leading Arab state. The current US-UK strategy builds upon the considerable latent hostiity against Russia in the Iranian population, due to such causes as the Soviet occupation of northern Iran during World War II, disputes over primacy in the oil-rich Caspian Sea, and Iranian complaints about the Russian management of the Bushehr nuclear reactor.
Currently, the CIA, MI6 and their allies are attempting to overthrow the Achmadinejad government in a classic people-power coup, color revolution, or postmodern coup, using a gaggle of malcontents grouped around the bloody-handed Mousavi, the corrupt Ayatollah Rafsanjani, and the benighted clerics of Qom, including Grand Ayatollah Montazeri. In the most recent Friday prayers in Teheran, the Mousavi-Rafsanjani faction has dropped its mask by eagerly and publicly embracing their assigned kamikaze role in the CIA game plan: that of a spear point against Russia and China. The real nature of this faction now stands exposed. While the pro-Achmadinejad faction chanted the tried and true (and even cliched) “death to America,” Mousavi supporters countered with “death to Russia” and “death to China.” This must be understood as a strategic epiphany of the greatest importance. The CIA’ s Iranian friends resent Russian President Medvedev for the support given to Achmadinejad at the height of the post-election crisis when the Iranian leader was warmly welcomed to a conference of the Shanghai Cooperation Oragnization, the main counterbalance to NATO. The Iranian CIA faction also trumpets indignation about the Chinese measures to restore order in Sinkiang province after the recent Uighur murder spree against Chinese — even though these bloody riots were inspired by Rebiya Kadeer’s World Uighur Conference, financed by US government money and based in Fairfax, Virginia, USA. Obama had signaled his support for the Uighurs by freeing Uighurs from Guantanamo and setting them up in comfortable digs in Bermuda and Palau. With their chanting, the CIA’s Iranian friends leave no doubt that they are more than ready to fight the US-UK’s battles against Russia and China — by cutting off oil to China, or by making more trouble across the Caspian with Russia, etc. Mousavi’s time as Iranian prime minister (1981-1989) covered most of the bloody and futile Iran-Iraq war, when the mullahs organized human wave suicide assaults by Iranian children against the fortified Iraqi lines, leading to a hecatomb. Iranians should now ponder whether they really want to volunteer once again as pawns and cannon fodder for the Anglo-American Great Game, as Mousavi and Rafsanjani demand. This time around, based on their new slogans, they will be picking a fight not with Iraq, but with the nuclear powers Russia and China – a course which threatens national annihilation for Iran.Wow. Just..... wow!
Sure makes some of the more recent behavior of the WH clearer. Very interesting. Thanks.
Great post, Geopol. The London/NY cartel uses our government as a puppet to stay in power as long as possible, in this case creating a diversion so Iran can buffer the rising strength of China and also keep Russia in a compromised state.
where are you, dear?
With economy as it is ..........If I inform you of my location you will be inclined to send me wine which you need remuneration....You will insist as a gift...I must decline as you need advanced revenue.....We are all in trouble.... velobabe [303261]....if I get to CO I will look you up in incognito...My love...
Think things aren't bad? Massachusetts is considering a couple of casinos...
geo, i am only in it for YOUR mind
i got a broke
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a bagged babe, kiss kiss
yeah i served some time in MA, seacoast cohasset, too white¡
i know chris matthews realtor on nantucket.
Tarpley, old boy, is that you or does my memoria deceives me
We all wear masques here....The diversion is catalyst for survival....as I reference..
You will be well..My thoughts are with you...
You are not deceived.....
You like the post?
We all wear masques wherever we go.
Not only the post, but the entire opus.
Thus far i read only Obamas un-authorized biography and Synthetic Terror.
Although i never was deceived by him the book opened my eyes wide.
Keep fighting the fight old chap. Certainly history will hold a place for you.
Oh and thank you for your thoughts. As i said, im putting up a fight.
I am both honored and excited that you roam these parts and share information with us.
We are all Brothers / Sisters...WE WILL WIN...CB
Your analysis is very, very much appreciated.
All one need look at is the geography of the Caspian region and where pipeline would need to run.
A few lines on a map tell the tale.
Holeeee fuck! I was just listening to you on Guns & Butter yesterday.
This is truly an honor.
I am Chumbawamba.
I like this line:
I agree if by "disturb the balance" he means "reduces the imbalance in our favor" and if by "stability" he means "dancing on the edge of pandemonium," and if by "calm" he means, "I'm a f--ing delusion bastard."
America needs to draft some of the rich gop kids now !!!!!!!!!! See how much they would be for war then !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With nuclear material and weapons scattered all over the world, and spreading, Armageddon is not long off.
I am become death destroyer of worlds.
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feel free to cut and paste one of those sarcasm characters above or
mac option+1
windows Alt+0161
inverted exclamation
oh, baby†
double baby, now 5 minutes later. you guys STOP IT, , ,right now¡
geopol and instant karma you both need to go to bed right now. no more thinking. i have no idea what time zone either of you reside. but it is probably 5 pm somewhere, right?
In his startling televised confession Wednesday, Abdul Qadeer Khan insisted he acted without authorization in selling nuclear technology to other governments. A.Q. Khan admitted selling nuclear technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. A.Q. Khan asked for clemency, but the Pakistani government made no public announcement about whether he is to be prosecuted. The confessed proliferation took place between 1989 and 2000, though it is suspected that proliferation activities to North Korea continued after that date. The network used to supply these activities is global in scope, stretching from Germany to Dubai and from China to South Asia, and involves numerous middlemen and suppliers.
Obama’s West Point speech of December 1 represents far more than the obvious brutal escalation in Afghanistan — it is nothing less than a declaration of all-out war by the United States against Pakistan. This is a brand-new war, a much wider war now targeting Pakistan, a country of 160 million people armed with nuclear weapons. In the process, Afghanistan is scheduled to be broken up. This is no longer the Bush Cheney Afghan war we have known in the past. This is something immensely bigger: the attempt to destroy the Pakistani central government in Islamabad and to sink that country into a chaos of civil war, Balkanization, subdivision and general mayhem. The chosen strategy is to massively export the Afghan civil war into Pakistan and beyond, fracturing Pakistan along ethnic lines. It is an oblique war using fourth-generation or guerrilla warfare techniques to assail a country which the United States and its associates in aggression are far too weak to attack directly. In this war, the Taliban are employed as US proxies. This aggression against Pakistan is Obama’s attempt to wage the Great Game against the hub of Central Asia and Eurasia or more generally.
US Deterred From Open War By Pakistan’s NukesThe ongoing civil war in Afghanistan is merely a pretext, a cover story designed to provide the United States with a springboard for a geopolitical destabilization campaign in the entire region which cannot be publicly avowed. In the blunt cynical world of imperialist aggression à la Bush and Cheney, a pretext might have been manufactured to attack Pakistan directly. But Pakistan is far too large and the United States is far too weak and too bankrupt for such an undertaking. In addition, Pakistan is a nuclear power, possessing atomic bombs and medium range missiles needed to deliver them. What we are seeing is a novel case of nuclear deterrence in action. The US cannot send an invasion fleet or set up airbases nearby because Pakistani nuclear weapons might destroy them. To this extent, the efforts of Ali Bhutto and A.Q. Khan to provide Pakistan a deterrent capability have been vindicated. But the US answer is to find ways to attack Pakistan below the nuclear threshold, and even below the conventional threshold. This is where the tactic of exporting the Afghan civil war to Pakistan comes in.
The architect of the new Pakistani civil war is US Special Forces General Stanley McChrystal, who organized the infamous network of US torture chambers in Iraq . McChrystal’s specific credential for the Pakistani civil war is his role in unleashing the Iraqi civil war of Sunnis versus Shiites by creating “al Qaeda in Iraq ” under the infamous and now departed double agent Zarkawi. If Iraqi society as a whole had lined up against the US invaders, the occupiers would have soon been driven out. The counter-gang known as “Al Qaeda in Iraq ” avoided that possibility by killing Shiites, and thus calling forth massive retaliation in the form of a civil war. These tactics are drawn from the work of British General Frank Kitson, who wrote about them in his book Low Intensity Warfare. If the United States possesses a modern analog to Heinrich Himmler of the SS, it is surely General McChrystal, Obama’s hand-picked choice. McChrystal’s superior, Gen Petraeus, wants to be the new Field Marshal von Hindenburg – in other words, he wants to be the next US president.
The vulnerability of Pakistan which the US and its NATO associates are seeking to exploit can best be understood using a map of the prevalent ethnic groups of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and India. Most maps show only political borders which date back to the time of British imperialism, and therefore fail to reflect the principal ethnic groups of the region. For the purposes of this analysis, we must start by recognizing a number of groups. First is the Pashtun people, located mainly in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then we have the Baluchis, located primarily in Pakistan and Iran. The Punjabis inhabit Pakistan, as do the Sindhis. The Bhutto family came from Sind.
PashtunistanThe US and NATO strategy begins with the Pashtuns, the ethnic group from which the so-called Taliban are largely drawn. The Pashtuns represent a substantial portion of the population of Afghanistan, but here they are alienated from the central government under President Karzai in Kabul, even though the US puppet Karzai passes for a Pashtun himself. The issue involves the Afghan National Army, which was created by the United States after the 2001 invasion. The Afghan officer corps are largely Tajiks drawn from the Northern Alliance that allied with the United States against the Pashtun Talibans. The Tajiks speak Dari, sometimes known as eastern Persian. Other Afghan officers come from the Hazara people. The important thing is that the Pashtuns feel shut out.
The US strategy can best be understood as a deliberate effort at persecuting, harassing, antagonizing, strafing, repressing, and murdering the Pashtuns. The additional 40,000 US and NATO forces which Obama demands for Afghanistan will concentrate in Helmand province and other areas where the Pashtuns are in the majority. The net effect will be to increase the rebellion of the fiercely independent Pashtuns against Kabul and the foreign occupation, and at the same time to push many of these newly radicalized mujaheddin fighters across the border into Pakistan , where they can wage war against the central government in Islamabad . US aid will flow directly to war lords and drug lords, increasing the centrifugal tendencies.
On the Pakistani side, the Pashtuns are also alienated from the central government. Islamabad and the army are seen by them as too much the creatures of the Punjabis, with some input from the Sindhis. On the Pakistani side of the Pashtun territory, US operations include wholesale assassinations from unmanned aerial vehicles or drones, murders by CIA and reportedly Blackwater snipers, plus blind terrorist massacres like the recent ones in Peshawar which the Pakistani Taliban are blaming on Blackwater, acting as a subcontractor of the CIA. These actions are intolerable and humiliating for a proud sovereign state. Every time the Pashtuns are clobbered, they blame the Punjabis in Islamabad for the dirty deals with the US that allow this to happen. The most immediate goal of Obama’s Afghan-Pakistan escalation is therefore to promote a general secessionist uprising of the entire Pashtun people under Taliban auspices, which would already have the effect of destroying the national unity of both Kabul and Islamabad .
BaluchistanThe other ethnic group which the Obama strategy seeks to goad into insurrection and secession is the Baluchis. The Baluchis have their own grievances against the Iranian central government in Tehran, which they see as being dominated by Persians. An integral part of the new Obama policy is to expand the deadly flights of the CIA Predators and other assassination drones into Baluchistan. One pretext for this is the report, peddled for example by Michael Ware of CNN, that Osama bin Laden and his MI-6 sidekick Zawahiri are both holed up in the Baluchi city of Quetta, where they operate as the kingpins of the so-called “Quetta Shura.” Blackwater teams cannot be far behind. In Iranian Baluchistan, the CIA is funding the murderous Jundullah organization, which was recently denounced by Teheran for the murder of a number of top officials of the Iranian Pasdaran Revolutionary guards. The rebellion of Baluchistan would smash the national unity of both Pakistan and Iran, thus helping to destroy two of the leading targets of US policy.
Obama’s Rube Goldberg StrategyEven Chris Matthews of MSNBC, normally a devoted acolyte of Obama, pointed out that the US strategy as announced at West Point very much resembles a Rube Goldberg contraption. (In the real world, “al Qaeda” is of course the CIA’s own Arab and terrorist legion.) In the world of official US myth, the enemy is supposed to be “Al Qaeda.” But, even according to the US government, there are precious few “Al Qaeda” fighters left in Afghanistan. Why then, asked Matthews, concentrate US forces in Afghanistan where “Al Qaeda” is not, rather than in Pakistan where “Al Qaeda” is now alleged to be?
One elected official who has criticized this incongruous mismatch is Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, who said in a television interview that ‘Pakistan, in the border region near Afghanistan, is perhaps the epicenter [of global terrorism], although al Qaida is operating all over the world, in Yemen, in Somalia, in northern Africa, affiliates in Southeast Asia. Why would we build up 100,000 or more troops in parts of Afghanistan included that are not even near the border? You know, this buildup is in Helmand Province. That’s not next door to Waziristan. So I’m wondering, what exactly is this strategy, given the fact that we have seen that there is a minimal presence of Al Qaida in Afghanistan, but a significant presence in Pakistan? It just defies common sense that a huge boots on the ground presence in a place where these people are not is the right strategy. It doesn’t make any sense to me.’ Indeed. ‘The Wisconsin Democrat also warned that U.S. policy in Afghanistan could actually push terrorists and extremists into Pakistan and, as a consequence, further destabilize the region: “You know, I asked the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, and Mr. Holbrooke, our envoy over there, a while ago, you know, is there a risk that if we build up troops in Afghanistan, that will push more extremists into Pakistan?” he told ABC. “They couldn’t deny it, and this week, Prime Minister Gilani of Pakistan specifically said that his concern about the buildup is that it will drive more extremists into Pakistan, so I think it’s just the opposite, that this boots-on-the-ground approach alienates the Afghan population and specifically encourages the Taliban to further coalesce with Al Qaida, which is the complete opposite of our national security interest.”’ Of course, this is all intentional and motivated by US imperialist raison d’état.
s.t.o.p
humans, don't think this fast and write this well
geo, please don't become a political marty armstrong.
STOP do you write fiction?
night, am going to bed alone.
I always wonder if the Russ Feingolds just half get it or are merely playing up the game to convince us that they care. Great piece.
They also need troops in Afghanistan to control the herion trade. Even the CIA needs cash these days.
velo,I wasn't born in 1950...
I had already composed this Dec 14 2009
i don't know anything, babe
Isreal last existed under Roman rule. If this is a legitimate country, I say let's bring back Babylonia, too.
A bunch of Palestinians and predominately Europeans who share a similar religion and ethnicity, in a major land grab.
Nuke this boil on the ass of humanity already.
Think things aren't bad? Massachusetts is considering a couple of casinos... In crack hole palmer,mass !!!!!!!!!! the arm pit of western mass !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope the jews get pissed and nuke the dam arabs and we can take the dam oil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! got problem with that eat me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think someone posted about this yesterday . I am not superstitious but this is freaky
http://www.alamongordo.com/prophecies_for_2010.html
scroll to the bottom to see it
a volcano in iceland, earthquakes in south america and a war in the middle east
and thgen here edgar cayce again witha an earhgquake first in south america thena volcano in iceland
I think i'm going to quit work and make the most of the next few years
http://www.alamongordo.com/edgar_cayce_2010_prophecies_2011_predictions_2012_visions.html