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Was Last Night's Launch Of A "Rogue" Missile A Warning To Asia?
Many questions are swirling over last night's launch of a rogue rocket, which it appears was a submarine launched ICBM from the Pacific, 35 miles west of Los Angeles. So far pretty much everyone has denied any involvement, and as per the NYPost, "according to Fox News, NORAD and NORTHCOM would only say they were aware of the launch" even as "a navy spokesperson previously told KCBS that no navy activity was reported in the region." Yet the closest approximation for what the reason for the launch may have been comes from Robert Ellsworth, former defense secretary: "On viewing the footage, former deputy defense secretary Robert Ellsworth speculated on KCBS that the launch could be a show of military muscle. "It could be a test-firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile from a submarine ... to demonstrate, mainly to Asia, that we can do that," Ellsworth said." And China has not even sold and US bonds yet. So did China Dagong in turn retaliate earlier by downgrading the US? At this point we can only hope that the Chairman can confine his FX war to Forex terminals, without actually involving a few strategically placed mushroom clouds.
Update: Karl Denninger muses whether the missile was even an American one:
What if this wasn't one of ours?
Who else has this capability? China? Russia? Is this some sort of warning to Obama and/or Bernanke?
Where was it launched from?
Sea-launched,
as near as we can tell - but surface or submarine? Given the commercial
and recreational vessel traffic in that area, if this was ship-launched
someone should have seen the launching vessel. Now, more than 12 hours later, there are no reports of anyone having it on radar.
Note that private vessel radars are quite-capable of resolving a ship
large enough to launch something like this from the distance to the
horizon. My ship's radar was quite-capable of resolving a vessel of
this size if low to the water in the 10-12 mile range (curvature of the
earth) and if the vessel had significant superstructure above the water,
even further. If this thing was submarine launched then it gets even more interesting.
Why the silence?
I find it very
unlikely this was one of ours - unless it was a mistake. An
intentional launch - even of a missile with a dummy "warhead" - this
close to LA? No way. A malfunction could have sent that thing right
into downtown before it could be destroyed, and even unarmed it would do
a hell of a lot of damage. For this reason I do not believe this was an intentional US test.
Where were the NOTAMs if this was ours?
Missing, that's where. Multiple reports now that there were NO
notices posted for aviators. No way in hell our military intentionally
launches a missile without posting NOTAMs for the civilian air system
before it happens. This means it either wasn't ours, or wasn't
intentionally launched.
Where are the people who heard the notices on VHF Marine Radios and others?
I
live less than 5 miles from Eglin AFB. They run military exercises all
the time out in the gulf. I boat in the gulf. There are not only
NOTAMs posted all the time on their activity, but there are also notices
posted for mariners when they intend to do things out in the deep blue
sea. The military comes up on VHF regularly and announces
their intentions - and if you get too close by accident they are rather
explicit in their warnings to you as well. I have heard these warnings and notices dozens of times. The point is this: if
this was a military exercise there would be hundreds if not thousands
of mariners who would have heard about it, and it would have been
pointed out by now in the media.
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They could stage that kind of crap at Midway or Guam.
35 miles off the busiest port-o-call on the planet? God-damned ICBM testing? Without warnings during an era of heightened security concerns when we've got rigged toner cartridges flying out of Yemen?
Pull the other one.
cougar - we have missile launches off the coast of LA on a fairly consistant basis. Most from Vandenberg, but they could misfire and hit LA.
Now, think from the opposite angle. LA is one of the largest cities in the U.S. Still a sizeable manufacturing base here. Think it might be protected by a few missiles ringed around the city and out to sea? Could one of those missiles ever be shot off by accident? Life is quite often stranger than fiction.
It is not easy to fire one by mistake however if one was seriously fubar they might have to launch just to get rid of it.
I'm about ready to accept that. Because I've got nothing but really bad scenarios right now.
But if so, my sense would be that the Pentagon would leap right out there and fess up. What the heck, it was an accident. Our bad. Nobody was ever at risk. Etc.
This drawn out silence just doesn't fit. I serious believe Mil-Int is in a fog over this one. Caught flat-footed. They'll bury it just to bury the fact that someone can launch a large missile from with 35 miles of LA.
Just think on that one for a minute.
"It is not easy to fire one by mistake however if one was seriously fubar they might have to launch just to get rid of it."
And then wait a week to 'fess up, when things have cooled down.
It could be. I hope it's something this unthreatening.
Was the missle launch part of the QE2 kickoff parade? Oh, wait maybe Bernanke found helicpoters too small, unable to keep up with inflation in carrying all the money, so now he is going to dump money using missles.
remember when they lost contact with 50 nuclear missiles on Oct 27? if someone has a link to any rumored explanation please post that link, or put on the tin hat yourself
Most likely: the launch was a JL-2 SLBM from a Type 094 nuclear submarine. It was an overt, provocative, public and shocking demonstration of Chinese capabilities.
Other theories don't hold water.
If it was a Type 094 the US Navy would have had front row seats to the launch.
Welcome to the club...club K?
Funny how Obama is 'out of the country' for all this.
Warning shot, but whose bow?
And Harry is not a shill for the CIA?
I used to live in Florida, saw many delta rocket launches from a distance. Not saying this is a delta rocket, but this is not just a vapor trail. Since nothing went boom after the launch I am gonna guess it was a literal shot across the bow from the Chinese. We sold the the missile technology to them in the 90's as I recall. Not sure about thier sub technology, however. Well, I better run out to buy some more bullets, peanut butter, and now I guess I'm gonna need some sleeping pills, too.
Ear plugs too - could get noisy.
Good point! Plugs and slugs. Hey, are you related to the guy who runs the 'Ol Remus site? That site is great.
It could have been a double bluff by the US military (maybe some deranged official) to make seem that the Chinese are provoking while passing as innocent dumb fools and have a chance to start WW3 with public support.
Tony our Italian cook was sitting on the deck,
And we were peeling taters, it must have been peck.
The Captain sez, Hey Tony is that a U Boat I see?
Tony sez, It's notta my boat its no belong to me!
Just one of Benny's printers throwing a rod.
OK, what would the Chinese gain by launching a missile this close to LA. This is something you save as a response to naval exercises off Taiwan, not over QE2. QE2 response would have been selling 200B worth of treasuries in the open market to prove you can retaliate. My true concern is that this is either North Korean warning (why is unknown, they normally screw around the coast of South Korea it doesn't pay off our coast) or a failed NorKo or rouge country rehearsal (hit the wrong button) or a failed EMP attack (no detonation of intended warhead).
My bet, AlQuaeda will claim responsibility for the launch in 3, 2, 1....
Of course this is all speculation. The Chinese know the current administration won't even write a strongly worded letter on this. This may be a show of strength to a man-child president. Yeah don't devalue, but don't even Think about defending Taiwan...
NO NO NO, people. This was one of ours, designed to frighten US. Keeping the people in fear distracts from the economy and bankster fraud. It has the added benefit of paving the way for more military spending and laws that protect us from our "excessive" freedoms.
Fear not. It is how the PTB control us. Where is Cognitive Dissonance and his psyops theories?
I am stunned by the comments here - are you people stupid?
ICBM - is a multistage system. If at let's say 5pm someone launched an ICBM rocket, an hour later at 6pm the whole army would be looking for the first stage rocket engine. Then 2hrs later they would issue a NOTAM for an area of the highest probable debris landing zone. Now look at the video. Look where that rocket is flying. Now tell me which is the most probable debris landing zone? And now question for the superbright ZH forum members - WHAT AREA IS MENTIONED BY THE NOTAM issued on 08 NOV 20:52?
Dr. No, leading SPECTRA agent claims responsibility for missile launch. Demands US Taxpayers make good on all the shitty CDOs he bought OR ELSE!!!
Newsflash - USA to spend trillions more fighting "Terrisms" that they won't negotiate with no matter what!
In other news - Special Agent 007 downgraded to just plain 0.
Dr. No of SPECTRA has just claimed responsibility for the missile launch. He demands US taxpayers compensate him for all the shitty CDO's he bought OR ELSE!
In other news, Special Agent 007 was downgraded today to simply 0
Official (or will be): Missile wasn't foreign
http://goo.gl/5e0Lt
Official (or will be): Missile wasn't foreign
http://goo.gl/5e0Lt
Mystery solved!
The Catalina Island Junior Rocketry Club has come forward and admitted it was one of theirs. Justin T. Thrusst was quoted this afternoon at the B. Hussein Obama Junior High School-"Yeah, we just thought it would be cool to light up a really big one and watch everybody freak out."
The US launched the missile and acted dumb because they wanted the Chinese to think that the US really thought that the Chinese launched the missile because if the Chinese thought that the US thought that the Chinese launched the missile then China would get the message that they might be getting their asses handed to them soon even though they knew that they didn't launch the missile but they can't really be sure who launched the missile with Obama out of the country and conflicting statements from Norad, the Pentagon and the Navy nobody really knows anymore who launched the missile and both the Chinese and the US are throwing their hands in the air and screaming: Who launched the fucking missile?
As I recall there were reports of six submarines leaving North Korea late late at night in bad weather last spring and they apparently then disappeared. At least I can't find any reference to them since.
Grand Fenwick?
("The Mouse that Roared")
The mostly likely scenario is that the launch was from a US submarine. A foreign launch that close to the US would have almost certainly resulted in an immediate counter-response. The reason it wasn't announced in advance could be that the payload is an observation sensor (spy satellite) of some kind, popped-up in response to some immediate event somewhere in the world. Existing spy sats can't see everywhere all the time; there are gaps in time. This would also explain the location; there are probably only a few subs with the required spur-of-the-moment sensors on them, and the one closest to the required launch location happened to be near L.A.
America is so awesome that there's no way any other country could have launched near us without our bad-ass awesomeness kicking their butts back. It must have been some futuristic science fiction sub-launched orbital satellite that only an awesome country like the United States could create. So what if sub-lauched orbital vehicle technology doesn't exist. America probably just invented it yesterday because we're so awesome.
We're just pretending we don't know who did it because we don't want our enemies to know how awesome we are.
American exceptionalism has entered a new delusional phase. When China performs a demonstration of their SLBM off the coast of California, the reaction is "gee, who did that: our awesome US Navy or our awesome US Air Force"? Because surely the rest of the world is too primitive to have anything except rocks and sticks.
I wonder how many Americans realize that other countries have nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines and spy satellites. America's enemies aren't all stone-age mountain tribes, or socialist failures. Some of them are pretty advanced. And solvent, too.
It was one of mine. I had to use it before its expiry date. Pretty contrail, eh?