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Was Last Night's Launch Of A "Rogue" Missile A Warning To Asia?

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Many questions are swirling over last night's launch of a rogue rocket, which it appears was a submarine launched ICBM from the Pacific, 35 miles west of Los Angeles. So far pretty much everyone has denied any involvement, and as per the NYPost, "according to Fox News, NORAD and NORTHCOM would only say they were aware of the launch" even as "a navy spokesperson previously told KCBS that no navy activity was reported in the region." Yet the closest approximation for what the reason for the launch may have been comes from Robert Ellsworth, former defense secretary: "On viewing the footage, former deputy defense secretary Robert Ellsworth speculated on KCBS that the launch could be a show of military muscle. "It could be a test-firing of an intercontinental ballistic missile from a submarine ... to demonstrate, mainly to Asia, that we can do that," Ellsworth said." And China has not even sold and US bonds yet. So did China Dagong in turn retaliate earlier by downgrading the US? At this point we can only hope that the Chairman can confine his FX war to Forex terminals, without actually involving a few strategically placed mushroom clouds.

Update: Karl Denninger muses whether the missile was even an American one:

What if this wasn't one of ours?
Who else has this capability?  China?  Russia?  Is this some sort of warning to Obama and/or Bernanke? 

Where was it launched from?
as near as we can tell - but surface or submarine? Given the commercial
and recreational vessel traffic in that area, if this was ship-launched
someone should have seen the launching vessel.  Now, more than 12 hours later, there are no reports of anyone having it on radar. 
Note that private vessel radars are quite-capable of resolving a ship
large enough to launch something like this from the distance to the
horizon.  My ship's radar was quite-capable of resolving a vessel of
this size if low to the water in the 10-12 mile range (curvature of the
earth) and if the vessel had significant superstructure above the water,
even further.  If this thing was submarine launched then it gets even more interesting.

Why the silence?
I find it very
unlikely this was one of ours - unless it was a mistake.  An
intentional launch - even of a missile with a dummy "warhead" - this
close to LA?  No way.  A malfunction could have sent that thing right
into downtown before it could be destroyed, and even unarmed it would do
a hell of a lot of damage.  For this reason I do not believe this was an intentional US test.

Where were the NOTAMs if this was ours?
Missing, that's where.  Multiple reports now that there were NO
notices posted for aviators.  No way in hell our military intentionally
launches a missile without posting NOTAMs for the civilian air system
before it happens.  This means it either wasn't ours, or wasn't
intentionally launched.

Where are the people who heard the notices on VHF Marine Radios and others?
live less than 5 miles from Eglin AFB.  They run military exercises all
the time out in the gulf.  I boat in the gulf.  There are not only
NOTAMs posted all the time on their activity, but there are also notices
posted for mariners when they intend to do things out in the deep blue
sea.  The military comes up on VHF regularly and announces
their intentions - and if you get too close by accident they are rather
explicit in their warnings to you as well.
  I have heard these warnings and notices dozens of times.  The point is this: if
this was a military exercise there would be hundreds if not thousands
of mariners who would have heard about it, and it would have been
pointed out by now in the media




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Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:52 | 712278 CPL
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The tinfoil brigade was on about something on Saturday regarding the miscatelogued 50 nukes in the inventory and co-relating it to a russian blind woman issuing statemetns of doom.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712391 Dolar in a vortex
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It was China saying, we have your paper and these cool new rockets!

All your base are belong to us!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:39 | 712550 Sabibaby
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It appears the terrorists have moved from their caves to submarines with ballistic missiles.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:51 | 712634 Azannoth
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Did some1 smuggle an ICBM in their underware ? Another epic fail from the TSA

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:46 | 712963 mt paul
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fat finger 

missile launch...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:41 | 712546 RichardP
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My two cents.  I live in the San Fernando Valley, north side of LA.  I see contrails across our sky constantly.  I see launches from Vandenberg AFB occassionally.  I saw this about 7:30 a.m. pst the morning, from the middle of the SFV:

One contrail from NW to SE.  Way fatter than any contrail I've ever seen in the SFV sky, but could be the time elapsed and wind that spread it/fattened it.  Contrail is straight -  from NW, over the top of my head, and across LA proper to the SE.  But before it hits my horizon to the SE, it suddenly goes all squiggly and then ends.  Two other contrails go from the NW to the SE.  Both contrails at the NW are out on either side of the fat contrail.  But both contrails converge on the squiggly part of the fat contrail to the SW.  Neither contrail to the sides of the fat contrail are as fat as the middle contrail.

Some time ago, a rocket was launched out over the Pacific Ocean from Vandenberg.  A missle was launched to intercept it.  The two contrails from that converged high in the sky.  But they appeared to go almost straight up from NW of me, although I know at least the Vandenberg missile was going up and to the SW.  The contrail from Vandenberg had squiggles in it at the top like I saw this morning. Unlike that sequence, this morning's contrails passed over my head.

If I had to guess, I would say a target was tossed into the sky across land and shot at with two missiles.  The squiggly part of the fat contrail could have been evasive maneuvers undertaken by the target.  Or maybe it shows where the missiles collided with the target.  And since this had happened hours earlier, maybe it did take place over the Pacific but had been blown over land by the time I saw it.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:49 | 712623 RichardENixon
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I think it was swamp gas. Or maybe a weather balloon.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:25 | 712829 RichardP
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The swamp gas normally sits lower down, over Balboa park.  There is man-made lake and a big marshy area there, both filled with reclaimed waste water.

Correction to my post above:  the two side contrails converge on the fat contrail at the squiggly area to the SE - not SW as I stated.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:42 | 712941 RichardENixon
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I can't help but notice that you fail to refute my assertion that it was a weather balloon.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:02 | 713031 RichardP
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That might explain the squiggly part of the contrail just before it stopped.  You know, like you blow up a balloon and then let the end go.  The balloon flies squigly all over the place.  Probably was a weather balloon that got punctured by a missle.  Went squigly all over.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 19:11 | 714072 Cistercian
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 You are wrong.It was the planet Venus.Venus is often mistaken for weather balloons or missiles.Don't make me show up in a brand new 1966 lincoln continental at your front door.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 21:48 | 714602 Problem Is
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It was swamp gas reflecting off of Venus... I put my laser pointer up to check for weather balloons...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:37 | 712914 The PolyCapitalist
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Any word yet on where it came down, or whether it did come down?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:33 | 713126 andy55
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I served and qualified fully as a junior officer aboard a 688i class sub from 2000 to 2003 out of San Diego.  We completed various missions, including ops in areas that sound like "mellow flea." 

The list of possibilities for this event is rather short based on the facts.  Let's just say the USN *may* know where every PRC sub is every instant in time based on ALL kinds of intel.  And when they don't, let's just say that may be a priority.  Beyond that, for a PRC sub to transit the pacific and launch only miles away from US territory would be like trying to drive a dump truck inside the lobby of a public library without anyone noticing.  There's only one set of non-US subs that would have a prayer to pull this off, and they've been rusting for 15+ years now.

So, this has to be an accident (basically impossible given the USN's procedures), or a US launch where the DOD for some reason is playing dumb.  When I was in, the USN tended to conduct a full FLBM (fleet-launch ballistic missile) test only every 1-2 years and it's a BIG deal when it happens.  The third possibility is that this isn't a FLBM and something even more unlikley or unusual. 

So take your pick. 


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:45 | 713279 cougar_w
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There's only one set of non-US subs that would have a prayer to pull this off, and they've been rusting for 15+ years now.

Maybe one is missing now, having been sold. Stranger things have happened, ya know.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:37 | 713552 andy55
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Perhaps, but this would appear to be unlikely.  For this mission, you would need at least:

- a trained engineering crew to operate an ill-maintained soviet reactor and propulsion plant,

- an experienced foreward crew to transit the boat 6000+ nm (without being counterdetected)

- a tacitcal ops team to conduct the launch

- a plan of escape that would ensure you get away with the sub while dozens of US ships, subs, and satellites turn the SoCal waters inside out

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:53 | 712651 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:07 | 713053 cougar_w
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And 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Cannot rule out the Chinese or the Russians at this point, though I'd wonder what the Russians would be trying to prove. I'd lump the N Koreans right in there with them. And I wouldn't put the Iranians out of it either though it seems a stretch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712654 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712655 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712656 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:44 | 712943 espirit
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Probably aliens. Probably aliens. Probably aliens. Probably aliens.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 04:49 | 715372 sushi
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A pair of Chinese speaking Hizbollah operatives launching from a vinyl raft they picked up at Zellers. By definition they were also aliens but very very dedicated aliens.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 05:21 | 715482 sushi
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Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:18 | 712802 curly
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Ha!  Who needs the tinfoil hat brigade.

Would be a beautiful thing if it *were* a Chinese missile guided by the tech that Loral's Bernie Schwartz sold them, and it landed on Bernie's SoCal compound...


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:17 | 713480 HarryWanger
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"The mysterious California missile launch that wasn't"

People will believe anything the "news" reporters tell them - sad.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:52 | 712279 HarryWanger
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According to these experts, it was a jet contrail:

Look at all the videos and stills and it becomes pretty obvious.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:54 | 712296 Cognitive Dissonance
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According to these experts, it was a jet contrail.....

I always listen to the experts.


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:58 | 712319 HarryWanger
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I know nothing about the science of contrails, these guys do so I would tend to listen to them before some moron SoCal "news" reporter. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:00 | 712325 Sancho Ponzi
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Long today, Harry?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:01 | 712332 HarryWanger
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Just metals. A short via SDS opened on Friday. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:04 | 712350 tmosley
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That didn't look like any contrail I've ever seen.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712393 Eternal Student
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Agreed. And if you've actually ever seen a missle launch, it looks just like one.

Contrail, my butt. But it's par for the course from Harry.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:19 | 712426 Cognitive Dissonance
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I found the referrence.

O! say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our contrails were still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:33 | 712511 aldousd
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Orwell would be proud. Can't argue with the facts.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:30 | 712882 BlackChicken
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Hey CD, thanks for the great laugh; very clever...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:30 | 712493 tmosley
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I also never saw a contrail coming from a bright orange-red light.  I guess the sub-launched civilian aircraft Harry is calling for must have been using afterburners.

For reference, this is what a REAL contrail looks like:

Notice how the color of the "contrail" reported above is not white, ie is not the product of ice crystal formation?  Blow it out your ass Harry, you don't know what you are talking about.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:27 | 712474 EscapeKey
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Clearly swamp gas.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:02 | 712722 Cognitive Dissonance
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Clearly swamp gas.

....of the third kind? Of the fourth or fifth kind?

Danger Will Robinson, Danger.


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:13 | 712397 merehuman
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Harry, you are a funny guy. Contrails coming straight from the water. Airplanes launched from below the sea, o yeah! Nuts.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712412 SheepDog-One
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You know nothing, but are happy to draw conclusions.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712413 cougar_w
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They (whoever the hell they are) are sea-launching god-damned 2-stage ICBMs. Shut up.

And if it's the insane NKs playing with a new toy: What kind of drugs are you taking over there? Do you anal-obsessive militarist Fascist monkeys want to breathe enriched god-damned Plutonium for 5K years? Jeezuz Christ on a crutch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:57 | 712313 Sancho Ponzi
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Then there should be a flight plan identifying the craft.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:59 | 712323 HarryWanger
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Did you read and/or look at the site?? It's pretty obvious. Man, this feels like centuries ago nonsense. Hey, newsflash! The moon is not made out of cheese.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712389 cougar_w
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MSM shill. Market goon. Goldman bag-man. Shut up.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712416 SheepDog-One
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Swamp gas reflected off Yuranus.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:58 | 712317 centerline
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yup.  pretty obvious it is a missile.  no doubt.  can see the rocket engine flare - just like watching a space shuttle launch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:43 | 712945 Coast Watcher
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Agree on the rocket flare. It can be seen plainly in the video. Oh wait, someone will say it's the sun's reflection off the plane's wings. Besides, NORAD and the Pentagon have already said they were "aware of the launch" after the fact, so that pretty much rules out an aircraft contrail.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:03 | 712343 Raymond K Hessel
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It's a jet contrail as opposed to a missile contrail?  Cass?  Cass?  Cass, is that you again?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:10 | 712376 cougar_w
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NORAD is saying it's a missile. Pentagon is saying they don't know if it's a threat or not.

Shut the fuck up. Fucking troll sleaze. God-damned fucking traitor. MSM shill. Moron. Douche. Market making Goldman pile of crap.


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:28 | 712479 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Easy Cougar.... Harry is suffering from denial.... Any one with just a touch of common sense, can plainly see that is not a contrail from a fucking airplane. Harry it's time to go ahead & pull your head out before it's to late...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:30 | 712480 Sancho Ponzi
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Perhaps a volcano isn't really what is responsible for bringing Obama home early.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:00 | 712706 cougar_w
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That was my first thought. He better take a route over land. And jump on a private jet and send AF1 empty.

This is serious.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:44 | 712960 Coast Watcher
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Except he's not coming home. He's leaving Indonesia two hours early, but flying on to the G20 meeting in Seoul.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:50 | 712987 cougar_w
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G20. Hah. AF1 might be going to Seoul, but I wonder if The O is on it.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:17 | 712409 SheepDog-One
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The 'experts' are always correct! Bwaaa ha ha haaaaa!! 'Jet contrails' yea right Im surprised they didnt call it swamp gas reflecting off Yuranus as usual.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:29 | 712483 EscapeKey
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The minor issue in the subprime market is clearly contained.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:18 | 712425 fuu
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Too bad they couldn't handle the traffic.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:18 | 712428 OnTheFelt
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So Harry, warry pudding pie......I have a few honest questions:


What 3 letter agency do you shill for?

How much do you get paid for your lies and disinformation?

How do you sleep at night?

Do you have a golden ticket?




Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:30 | 713169 JohnG
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There was a posting ~2 months ago, maybe three, purporting to have outed The Wanger as a writer for something.......trying to find it, anyone know where?  Lot's of comments to sort through. 


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:48 | 712613 fuu
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You are pointing to a blog with 1 post, from today, that didn't exist before today. There is no reason to belive these people are experts of anything and yet here you are trolling us with it.

Blew your load there HarryWankster.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:47 | 712967 Coast Watcher
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fuu, are you saying the whole site didn't exist before today? Very interesting, if true. More info, please?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:56 | 713653 fuu
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While they are not reachable they redirect here:


That site has nothing else posted before this. It appears to have been made today. I have not been able to get to the site Harry linked to at this url:

Stealth registration

Created on: 09-May-07
Expires on: 09-May-11
Last Updated on: 26-Apr-10

Once comes back up maybe we will find more posts. The wordpress site though is brand new.

All I am saying is Harry's "proof" is pretty thin at this point. Oh and calling him a troll but you know, everyone does that.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:04 | 713043 Citxmech
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Oh yeah, "contrail" for sure - "missiles" look that that spiral thing over Norway...


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:42 | 713262 Hulk
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Harry, its obvious now that you are a paid shill. As skeptical as I am about most everything (no bigfoots, no UFO's, contrails, Haarp, etc), there is no doubt in my mind that this was a missile launched from a sub off our coast. Time for you to go shill somewhere else.....

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:53 | 712288 lolmao500
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Or a message from Asia to the US.

Remember those ``container missiles``?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:20 | 712375 turds in the pu...
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the asia -> usa message was my first thought too...

i believe you refer to the club-k system. this is a cruise missile package, like our tomahawk.

what was seen is not consistent with a cruise missile launch -- it is consistent with a ballistic launch

that said, plop-fucking-plop. currency is pretend but these weapons are quite real -- if you didn't start to panic when Hendry recommended, you should do so now. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:18 | 712423 SheepDog-One
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Club-K's yep!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:53 | 712289 Calvin Jones an...
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Why would we even need to demonstrate that?  Wasn't The Hunt For Red October almost 20 years ago now?  It's all just a simple task of readjustuing cordinates.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:10 | 712378 Citxmech
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No shit.

If this is a "message" the message is that someone can get that close to us, undetected, and launch.

...Or we fired the damn thing and this is the set-up for some war drums/false flag bs.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:48 | 712612 SheepDog-One
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Hell Calvin, EVERYONE knew about sub launched ICBM's back in the SIXTIES fer cryin out loud! 'Demonstration we can do that'...LMAO yea it was probably the CHINESE!!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:24 | 712842 Jasper M
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   I believe you are referrign to iRbm's. Yes, they've been around forever, but a sub launched stick that can reach around the globe (iCbm) is a newer thing. I believe the latest version of the Trident can, sorta. 

Speaking of which, that version due to finish service in 2027. SO maybe the skunk works are starting the process of testing a potential replacement. And just as the Air Force does not officially acknowledge Area 51, I have no doubt the Navy will deny, deny, deny. 

If that was the case, careful observation and a flexible firing window would take the place of prior warnings to civilians. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:54 | 713332 cougar_w
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Moving the firing over the horizon would have taken the place of prior warnings, too.

What, they don't have fuel oil for a 200 mile sortie? They have to launch a secret payload practically in the harbor?

Get a grip. This whole thing was meant for prime time USA. Launching off LA ... Christ that is what Walt Disney would have done. That's a Bill Gates level marketing clusterfuck.

Sit down and think about this. It means we are no longer pulling all the strings.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:56 | 712290 Turd Ferguson
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I've been following this all morning. This is very, very, very strange.

The Pentagon says its not one of ours. Well, fuck, whose is it then?

One of our long-term lenders proving a point that they can park a missile sub 35 miles off our coast and no one knows about it until its over? Here's the obligatory clip to consider:

"When I was a boy, my daddy built a bomb shelter because the Soviets were putting missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida. This thing could park 24 missiles 30 miles of the East Coast and no one would know about it until after it was over".


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:00 | 712326 SDRII
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granted this is the world of nutters, but above abovetopssecret had an article over the weekend discussing an early morning launch wuith similiar exhaust trail out of AZ. Link attached. it was pawned off as attributable to the Vanderberg Delta II launch Firday night or like the troll above said contrails.



Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:15 | 712403 RobD
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This better be one of ours or somebody is getting real frisky if you know what I mean. I'm hoping that some sub captain comes home one missile short and says "Sorry admiral I hit the wrong button but no worries it landed harmlessly in the pacific".

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:17 | 712417 Randall Cabot
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"The Pentagon says its not one of ours. Well, fuck, whose is it then?"

The Mexican Navy, most likely.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:27 | 712473 fuu
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Cartel Navy?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:48 | 712617 RichardP
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North Korean.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:49 | 712622 SheepDog-One
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Nope randall, Mexican sub fleet in dry dock getting screen doors refitted!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:59 | 712690's picture

"The Pentagon says its not one of ours. Well, fuck, whose is it then?"


Just Milo Minderbinder fulfilling a contract.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:33 | 712791 GoinFawr
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It was a Canadian missle shoulder-launched by an ex-cod fisherman who built the thing in his basement out of 10"and 9-1/2" PVC piping and 12 Estes 'F' sized solid propellant 'rocket' engines (6/stage).

It's time America stopped wasting its valuable military resources overseas and took care of those damn beady-eyed commie hippies up north pinko'ing up NA with their mamby-pamby 'UHC' and filthy oilsands wasting what should be by rights American water. Prime pickin's folks. NIMBY!

Question: if it really was an ICBM, doesn`t the `Intercontinental` part of that equation imply that it must be a US product if it was launched so close to NA? I mean, if it was foreign owned, why launch an IC style ballistic missle so near to the continent you are threatening to hit?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:34 | 712901 cougar_w
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why launch an IC style ballistic missle so close?

Hmmm ... let's me guess ... oh I know ...

So everyone on earth would be sure to see it.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:53 | 712997 GoinFawr
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All right, fair enough. But then why not take responsibility too, if it's an exercise in muscle-flexing?


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:12 | 713075 cougar_w
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Things this big, nobody admits to. Things this big start wars with real bullets.

It's another game now. The disinformation will be as abundant as the information, maybe more so. Like Obama is going to Seoul to sit in the G20 while ICBMs are being fired off LA? Who are they kidding?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 22:00 | 714649 zaknick
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It is precisely why it was fired at this time.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 22:06 | 714663 zaknick
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It is precisely why it was fired at this time.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:20 | 713104 Citxmech
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Just because there has been no "public admission" or assignment of responsibility doesn't mean there isn't a whole bunch of shit going on behind closed doors.

Honestly - there's only a handful of nations that could have pulled this off.

This could be like the Cuban Missile Crissis all over again.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:00 | 713371 cougar_w
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Could be?

It is one of two things, both bad:

1) Chinese/Russian/NK/Iran (choose one) Navy sitting off our coast in stealth subs launching ICBMs to influence US national policy and drive up the dollar, or;

2) The US Navy sitting off our coast launching ICBMs on accident.

Is there even a reasonable 3rd option here? That doesn't involve extra-terrestrials? (that I even have to qualify that statement worries me...)

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:15 | 713087 Citxmech
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The reason you have sub-based nuclear missiles in the first place is so that you can get close enough to your target that there is effectively no warning. 

Everyone knows we can launch missiles from subs - this is something very different.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:03 | 713394 cougar_w
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Now we know someone else can launch them and is willing to do so without warning in our coastal waters near our most populous city in our most populous state.

And Obama is going to the G20? More likely going to Colorado to hang some military intelligence guys who lost track of a NK sub.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:27 | 712860 Blano
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Either someone in the military is blatantly lying through their teeth, or someone slipped through our defenses undetected.  Neither scenario is good IMO.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:23 | 713119 Return2Sanity
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ICBM subs are super secret. There are only 3 people on the planet who are allowed to know the location for any one of these badboys at any point in time. The Navy would never acknowledge it right after a launch because the sub could be tracked as it moved out of the area. Maybe in week or so they'll fess up. As for the launch location, best guess is that it served as an opportunity to test tracking equipment and response time to find out if they would be able to detect and intercept a missile launched that close to L.A.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:54 | 712295 max2205
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LOL, (I think).  Don't be shooting off those big boys.  peps get nervous.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:00 | 712714's picture

peps get nervous.


Manny, Moe and Jack?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:54 | 712299 OnTheWaterfront
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It was the CIA launching their super top secret anti-Wikileaks satellite.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:55 | 712303 Cleanclog
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Or maybe some PTB is going rogue, with access to such equipment, and is shooting a warning arrow across the bow, if you will.  The revolution begins?  Inspired by some late night reading of Cicero perhaps?


"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work instead of living on public assistance."

 ---Cicero, 55 BC


Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:18 | 712814 kridkrid
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Here is the actual quote...

The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall....

The rest of your quote is made up (not by you... but by the Inter-Webz)

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:52 | 713320 Cleanclog
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I did use it without a double check, so I appreciate your assist.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:55 | 712305 HarryWanger
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Regarding DaGong: Doesn't China have some export numbers coming out? This is nothing but BS rhetoric. Of course they're going to downgrade US, they want to continue to dominate cheap exports and the dollar interferes with that. So what are they going to do? Make more meaningless downgrades, obviously.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:05 | 712741 Anarchist
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Cheap exports? China is exporting a lot more than toys. They are moving up the food chain at a record clip.   

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:57 | 712312 Cognitive Dissonance
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So is this why Obama left town with 3,000 elves plus dozens of warships and transports? The mind staggers with the possibilities when considering past false flag "attacks".

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:02 | 712335 max2205
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good one....that's the reconstitution team,,,in freaking Asia....not to smart of Barry but he don't think so good no more

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:19 | 712430 SheepDog-One
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Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:22 | 712448 cougar_w
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I think my brain just broke.

CD -- buddy -- I am sooooo not in the mood for you to be making any sense of this. Obama in India and ICB-fucking-Ms in Cougar's back yard?!? This is getting tense even by my relaxed standards.

I need a drink.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:44 | 712569 Cognitive Dissonance
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If you're up to it, I just posted my latest missive. Long but informative. Explores newish ground for some ZH'ers. Trying to think outside the mind control box.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:03 | 712727's picture

Explores newish ground for some ZH'ers.

I'm newish on my father's side but he's not observant.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:36 | 712912 cougar_w
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ftttt ...snixx... MWUAhahahahaha -- snort -- Ghahahahaha!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:57 | 712314 lolmao500
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Remember this?

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced
Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:40 | 712556 snowball777
Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:00 | 712316 furieus
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Why presume it was our missle?  China might have some Red October's out there, see here: 


Maybe they were sending us a message

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:01 | 712331 Lincolns Mullet
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I grew up in the Central Valley.  I've seen contrails like that before on the horizon.  If I had seen this one, I wouldn't have thought anything of it.  Why is this one different, because nobody is admitting to what it was or who launched it?  I never followed up on the previous launches that I've seen, but I'm guessing people knew what was going on with those.  Why the secrecy now, over something that Californian's have seen before?
Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:03 | 712339 HarryWanger
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There is no secrecy because it's nothing but a contrail!! Man, it's only a story because people are blowing something you've seen many times into something else. More 24 hr. news, more "theories".

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:19 | 712435 SheepDog-One
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Although you admit you know nothing, still happy to 'debunk conspiracies' though I see.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:34 | 712520 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Harry I know you are either a plant or a troll, cause no serious thinker could be as naive as you....

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:51 | 712636 fuu
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Your little contrail expert website has no history before this morning. No other posts. No reason to belive they are experts.


Fail troll fails.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:16 | 713474 cougar_w
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So then you have to ask yourself ... why bother? Why setup a fakester site to debunk something that just happened?

Maybe because they really need to debunk it and they were not ready.

If people are allowed to suspect that the Chiness/RBN/NK/whoever just launched an ICBM off LA during rushhour, the lid is coming off and right now. LA would probably empty. It would be a riot. It would be the world's worst traffic jam, all the way to Stockton. I cannot even feature what would happen if someone actually came out and said clearly "well folks yes that was an intercontinental ballistic missile launched at sea off LA, could have hit LA, was aimed so as not to, might have had an atomic payload unlikely but don't know either way, wasn't ours anyway don't know who it was, but they obviously don't like us and probably in particular don't like the people of LA or maybe they don't like the Los Angeles Dodgers."

You won't hear that on the MSM, even if it is the truth. They just won't do it. They won't do it even if everyone accepts that the Dodgers are targeted with an ICBM.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 22:26 | 714708 zaknick
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You must have scared the ___  out of whoever junked you!  lol

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:59 | 712642 RichardP
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Harry, contrails don't end in squigglies.  See my eyewitness post at the top.  And this is secrecy only if the government is lying about not knowing whose it is.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:03 | 712340 max2205
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right, ever see contrails with a big fucking misslie burning in front of it?!?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:06 | 712359 Lincolns Mullet
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In previous instances I only saw the contrail.  I never saw what created them.  But I've seen them at least twice before, so this one wouldn't have seemed odd to me if I were still living out there.  I have no idea what they used to launch, but looking at the contrail, is it so hard to believe there was a missile in front of it? 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:18 | 712420 max2205
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....are you a computer?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:19 | 712431 RobD
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I was stationed at NAS Lemoore for a few years, most likely not to far from where you grew up and you can see missile launches from Vandenberg from there so you may very well have seen missile launches instead of contrails.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:06 | 712338 John McCloy
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Something like this makes no sense to me. Why would we have to remind the world that we in fact control every ocean on the globe and possess ballistic missiles which they are all well aware we have?

Unless it is to warn to China to keep their mouths closed about our dollar and their wallets upon regarding our bonds. Perhaps it was a Chinese sub?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:27 | 712470 Randall Cabot
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If it was done to warn China then that would mean that the Fed controls the military and the government to pull this off-just like Pearl Harbor and 911!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:32 | 713180 Citxmech
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If we were going to "send a message" to China, we'd have launched a missile 35 miles off of their coast.

Any way you slice it - this is a hell of a "message."

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 18:18 | 713841 Sleepy Weasal
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An accidental US sub launch....REALLY?  I can't imagine that you just push a button like on a XBOX controller.  SO how does a sub accidently launch a missle?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:05 | 712352 sabra1
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benny got an upgrade from a helicopter to a missile! gotta speed things up!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:14 | 712399 johny2
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:D nice one

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:29 | 712488 Randall Cabot
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Benny and the Rockets?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:05 | 712746's picture

Hello Yellow Brick Road.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:05 | 712353 cougar_w
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I was thinking "sub-launched ICBM" while watching the video, but went "no way"

What the fuck is going on? This ain't funny, guys.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:09 | 712371 John McCloy
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  I think it is Chinese. We have made ourselves look so weak financially with our this endless debasement, The President is viewed as a puppet figurehead and we are militarily streched thin involved in wars that we should at this point not be involved with. Our prescence in the Middle East is only to spin the wheels and await the next potential target.

   Bring these troops home, bring that money back this way, stop sending the jobs in that direction, concentrate on national defense and begin to make things once again. This current path is getting spookier by the day.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:32 | 712505 EscapeKey
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Why would the treasury auction run off as smoothly as it did, then?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 19:35 | 714163 Bartanist
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Ummm, well here's a guess: Virtually all the treasuries were bought by 5 banks with newly created money.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:37 | 712524 cougar_w
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Can't rule out one of our own, though launching right off LA would be the greatest military blunder in 3,000 years of military history. That said, I would almost bet on it. Our own people that that stupid.

Then I was thinking "N Korean" only because they have a new guy at the helm, and are crazy as bat-shit.

But I don't know if they have any subs with that kind of throw-weight. Anything bigger than a cruise missile or surface-to-air needs a massive silo and a huge launch platform. Maybe the Chinese loaned them something to help kick off QE2?

If it's the Koreans, then the game is on and their new guy has 48 hours to find himself a hole to hide in. If it's the Chinese then I don't even want to know about it. That would totally suck the donkey.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 00:24 | 714922 Oh regional Indian
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Hey Cougar, you sound tripped out, as you should be, in a calm way though.

So, let me just add to the mix here:

1) Broken Arrow

2) Steve Fossett



Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:38 | 712539 1100-TACTICAL-12
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What is strange is NORAD or the Pentagon knows WTF it was...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:15 | 712792 Ferrari
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Looking at your avatar I respectfully ask, do you actually expect those two organizations to speak the truth regarding a matter like this?

I say this is China commenting on QE2 & Barry's overtures to India.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:23 | 712838 kridkrid
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He isn't of the revolutionary "Don't tread on me" family... more of the Republican "Don't tread on me" family.  If I have the right poster, and I believe I do.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:50 | 712633 Randall Cabot
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I'm starting to think it was China too. How would a US missile launch 35 miles off our coast send a message to China?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:10 | 712355 macfly
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There were no 'No Fly' warnings, and as a resident of LA I can tell you that the place indicated as its launch point on the map is exactly in the flight path of all the heavy planes leaving LAX heading to Austalasia.

So if it wasn't one of ours what the hell was it?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:40 | 712551 cougar_w
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It could still be one of ours; stupid things happen. But yeah, that would be a stretch even past the normal bounds of reckless stupidity.

Koreans? Chinese? Russian Business Network?

All bad choices.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:58 | 712683 RichardP
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Possible:  Ours.  Accidental launch.  Oops, shoot it down, it was armed.  Don't tell anyone up the chain of command, at least not initially.  Top brass genuinely plead ignorance.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:08 | 712759 cougar_w
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So you're telling me that BP are now operating our nuke subs? Because that sure sounds like the first 10 days of the GoM clusterfuck. Which means you might be right. Same bunch of disloyal ass-wipes.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:06 | 712357 tahoebumsmith
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As I said on the other string, My son reported seeing 2 stealth bombers flying over head in Nor Cal just before dusk. I questioned him on what he saw and he informed me they were the black triangles we saw at the air show and were hovering for a moment and then shot towards the coast??? Happened about the same time?? I'm wondering if it was related?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712414 max2205
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dude bombers don't 'hover'...holy cripe!!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:26 | 712467 Rusty Shorts
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 - dude, i've seen them also. Not going to say much more.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:04 | 712734 RichardP
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All airplanes appear to hover if you catch them at the correct angle when they are turning.  Lots of planes over the San Fernando Valley.  On more than one ocassion I've thought that I could sell a picture of what I was looking at as a picture of a UFO - a silvery disk, hovering in the sky.  But I had watched the plane before that moment, and I saw the plane as it came out of that moment.  It was a plane on either side of the moment.  But, in the moment, it was a hovering UFO.

tahoebumsmith's son could have had such a moment.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:13 | 712779 cougar_w
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An actual stealth bomber or fighter flying NOE and in total radio and visual black-out would likely be bobbing and weaving all over the place evading civilian aircraft who cannot see it and have no idea it is there or what to do.

The timing is right. They might have scrambled a wing up north. What the hell they were after we'll likely never know.

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