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Was Last Night's Launch Of A "Rogue" Missile A Warning To Asia?

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Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:52 | 712278 CPL
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The tinfoil brigade was on about something on Saturday regarding the miscatelogued 50 nukes in the inventory and co-relating it to a russian blind woman issuing statemetns of doom.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712391 Dolar in a vortex
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It was China saying, we have your paper and these cool new rockets!

All your base are belong to us!

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:39 | 712550 Sabibaby
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It appears the terrorists have moved from their caves to submarines with ballistic missiles.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:51 | 712634 Azannoth
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Did some1 smuggle an ICBM in their underware ? Another epic fail from the TSA

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:46 | 712963 mt paul
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fat finger 

missile launch...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:41 | 712546 RichardP
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My two cents.  I live in the San Fernando Valley, north side of LA.  I see contrails across our sky constantly.  I see launches from Vandenberg AFB occassionally.  I saw this about 7:30 a.m. pst the morning, from the middle of the SFV:

One contrail from NW to SE.  Way fatter than any contrail I've ever seen in the SFV sky, but could be the time elapsed and wind that spread it/fattened it.  Contrail is straight -  from NW, over the top of my head, and across LA proper to the SE.  But before it hits my horizon to the SE, it suddenly goes all squiggly and then ends.  Two other contrails go from the NW to the SE.  Both contrails at the NW are out on either side of the fat contrail.  But both contrails converge on the squiggly part of the fat contrail to the SW.  Neither contrail to the sides of the fat contrail are as fat as the middle contrail.

Some time ago, a rocket was launched out over the Pacific Ocean from Vandenberg.  A missle was launched to intercept it.  The two contrails from that converged high in the sky.  But they appeared to go almost straight up from NW of me, although I know at least the Vandenberg missile was going up and to the SW.  The contrail from Vandenberg had squiggles in it at the top like I saw this morning. Unlike that sequence, this morning's contrails passed over my head.

If I had to guess, I would say a target was tossed into the sky across land and shot at with two missiles.  The squiggly part of the fat contrail could have been evasive maneuvers undertaken by the target.  Or maybe it shows where the missiles collided with the target.  And since this had happened hours earlier, maybe it did take place over the Pacific but had been blown over land by the time I saw it.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:49 | 712623 RichardENixon
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I think it was swamp gas. Or maybe a weather balloon.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:25 | 712829 RichardP
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The swamp gas normally sits lower down, over Balboa park.  There is man-made lake and a big marshy area there, both filled with reclaimed waste water.

Correction to my post above:  the two side contrails converge on the fat contrail at the squiggly area to the SE - not SW as I stated.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:42 | 712941 RichardENixon
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I can't help but notice that you fail to refute my assertion that it was a weather balloon.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:02 | 713031 RichardP
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That might explain the squiggly part of the contrail just before it stopped.  You know, like you blow up a balloon and then let the end go.  The balloon flies squigly all over the place.  Probably was a weather balloon that got punctured by a missle.  Went squigly all over.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 19:11 | 714072 Cistercian
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 You are wrong.It was the planet Venus.Venus is often mistaken for weather balloons or missiles.Don't make me show up in a brand new 1966 lincoln continental at your front door.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 21:48 | 714602 Problem Is
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It was swamp gas reflecting off of Venus... I put my laser pointer up to check for weather balloons...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:37 | 712914 The PolyCapitalist
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Any word yet on where it came down, or whether it did come down?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:33 | 713126 andy55
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I served and qualified fully as a junior officer aboard a 688i class sub from 2000 to 2003 out of San Diego.  We completed various missions, including ops in areas that sound like "mellow flea." 

The list of possibilities for this event is rather short based on the facts.  Let's just say the USN *may* know where every PRC sub is every instant in time based on ALL kinds of intel.  And when they don't, let's just say that may be a priority.  Beyond that, for a PRC sub to transit the pacific and launch only miles away from US territory would be like trying to drive a dump truck inside the lobby of a public library without anyone noticing.  There's only one set of non-US subs that would have a prayer to pull this off, and they've been rusting for 15+ years now.

So, this has to be an accident (basically impossible given the USN's procedures), or a US launch where the DOD for some reason is playing dumb.  When I was in, the USN tended to conduct a full FLBM (fleet-launch ballistic missile) test only every 1-2 years and it's a BIG deal when it happens.  The third possibility is that this isn't a FLBM and something even more unlikley or unusual. 

So take your pick. 

 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:45 | 713279 cougar_w
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There's only one set of non-US subs that would have a prayer to pull this off, and they've been rusting for 15+ years now.

Maybe one is missing now, having been sold. Stranger things have happened, ya know.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:37 | 713552 andy55
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Perhaps, but this would appear to be unlikely.  For this mission, you would need at least:

- a trained engineering crew to operate an ill-maintained soviet reactor and propulsion plant,

- an experienced foreward crew to transit the boat 6000+ nm (without being counterdetected)

- a tacitcal ops team to conduct the launch

- a plan of escape that would ensure you get away with the sub while dozens of US ships, subs, and satellites turn the SoCal waters inside out

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:53 | 712651 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 16:07 | 713053 cougar_w
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And 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Cannot rule out the Chinese or the Russians at this point, though I'd wonder what the Russians would be trying to prove. I'd lump the N Koreans right in there with them. And I wouldn't put the Iranians out of it either though it seems a stretch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712654 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712655 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:54 | 712656 Paul Bogdanich
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99% probability that it was one of our sub-orbital boost platforms being tested for a different payload configuration.  1% chance it was a Chinese submarine showing us that they had the capability but I highly doubt it. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:44 | 712943 espirit
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Probably aliens. Probably aliens. Probably aliens. Probably aliens.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 04:49 | 715372 sushi
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A pair of Chinese speaking Hizbollah operatives launching from a vinyl raft they picked up at Zellers. By definition they were also aliens but very very dedicated aliens.

Wed, 11/10/2010 - 05:21 | 715482 sushi
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Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:18 | 712802 curly
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Ha!  Who needs the tinfoil hat brigade.

Would be a beautiful thing if it *were* a Chinese missile guided by the tech that Loral's Bernie Schwartz sold them, and it landed on Bernie's SoCal compound...

 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 17:17 | 713480 HarryWanger
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"The mysterious California missile launch that wasn't"

http://www.smartplanet.com/technology/blog/thinking-tech/the-mysterious-...

People will believe anything the "news" reporters tell them - sad.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:52 | 712279 HarryWanger
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According to these experts, it was a jet contrail: http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-...

Look at all the videos and stills and it becomes pretty obvious.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:54 | 712296 Cognitive Dissonance
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According to these experts, it was a jet contrail.....

I always listen to the experts.

Always.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:58 | 712319 HarryWanger
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I know nothing about the science of contrails, these guys do so I would tend to listen to them before some moron SoCal "news" reporter. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:00 | 712325 Sancho Ponzi
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Long today, Harry?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:01 | 712332 HarryWanger
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Just metals. A short via SDS opened on Friday. 

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:04 | 712350 tmosley
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That didn't look like any contrail I've ever seen.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712393 Eternal Student
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Agreed. And if you've actually ever seen a missle launch, it looks just like one.

Contrail, my butt. But it's par for the course from Harry.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:19 | 712426 Cognitive Dissonance
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I found the referrence.

O! say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming.
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our contrails were still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:33 | 712511 aldousd
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Orwell would be proud. Can't argue with the facts.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:30 | 712882 BlackChicken
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Hey CD, thanks for the great laugh; very clever...

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:30 | 712493 tmosley
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I also never saw a contrail coming from a bright orange-red light.  I guess the sub-launched civilian aircraft Harry is calling for must have been using afterburners.

For reference, this is what a REAL contrail looks like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

Notice how the color of the "contrail" reported above is not white, ie is not the product of ice crystal formation?  Blow it out your ass Harry, you don't know what you are talking about.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:27 | 712474 EscapeKey
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Clearly swamp gas.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:02 | 712722 Cognitive Dissonance
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Clearly swamp gas.

....of the third kind? Of the fourth or fifth kind?

Danger Will Robinson, Danger.

:>)

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:13 | 712397 merehuman
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Harry, you are a funny guy. Contrails coming straight from the water. Airplanes launched from below the sea, o yeah! Nuts.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712412 SheepDog-One
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You know nothing, but are happy to draw conclusions.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712413 cougar_w
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They (whoever the hell they are) are sea-launching god-damned 2-stage ICBMs. Shut up.

And if it's the insane NKs playing with a new toy: What kind of drugs are you taking over there? Do you anal-obsessive militarist Fascist monkeys want to breathe enriched god-damned Plutonium for 5K years? Jeezuz Christ on a crutch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:57 | 712313 Sancho Ponzi
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Then there should be a flight plan identifying the craft.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:59 | 712323 HarryWanger
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Did you read and/or look at the site?? It's pretty obvious. Man, this feels like centuries ago nonsense. Hey, newsflash! The moon is not made out of cheese.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:12 | 712389 cougar_w
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MSM shill. Market goon. Goldman bag-man. Shut up.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:16 | 712416 SheepDog-One
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Swamp gas reflected off Yuranus.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 13:58 | 712317 centerline
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yup.  pretty obvious it is a missile.  no doubt.  can see the rocket engine flare - just like watching a space shuttle launch.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 15:43 | 712945 Coast Watcher
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Agree on the rocket flare. It can be seen plainly in the video. Oh wait, someone will say it's the sun's reflection off the plane's wings. Besides, NORAD and the Pentagon have already said they were "aware of the launch" after the fact, so that pretty much rules out an aircraft contrail.

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:03 | 712343 Raymond K Hessel
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It's a jet contrail as opposed to a missile contrail?  Cass?  Cass?  Cass, is that you again?

Tue, 11/09/2010 - 14:10 | 712376 cougar_w
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NORAD is saying it's a missile. Pentagon is saying they don't know if it's a threat or not.

Shut the fuck up. Fucking troll sleaze. God-damned fucking traitor. MSM shill. Moron. Douche. Market making Goldman pile of crap.

Die.

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