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this is another pathological example america's elite being blood thirsty murderers and the washington post in general being a source of terrorism....it led the way in the cover-up of the cia murder of john kennedy and in the political assassination of richard nixon - another victim of the cia....this latest outburst from broder is no surprise. what kind of fucking asshole wants a war to save an economy???? watches|jewelry
hey whats Yemen gotta do? they are the Rodney Dangerfield of the middle east
Broder is just another Zionist-Israeli symp just like Krauthammer. He is either paid by AIPAC and the ADL or is genuinely in sympathy for making Israel OFFICIALLY the 51st state.
View him thru this faultless prism and his Cry for war with Iran or any other enema of Isreal and then you can dispense with all the other faux reasoning and criticism and write him off as just another who gets his muffins buttered by the jews.
This economic take is a diversion.
oh so fighting in vietnam actually help the economy. don't remember it that way exactly, but i'm sure i will sleep better tonight. broders a fucking moron trying to be controversial.
Fighting in Afghanistan and IRaq have done wonders, have they not?
Obviuously Broder wants more of what we're getting.
stealing in broad daylight, just do it in an orderly fashion;
in small doses, billions or hundreds of billions, and routinely.
oh well. the first and only mandate of the fed ...( they need more
authority in difficult ponzi end times. )
what we need is an armed branch of the fed, it should really have it's
own shadow militia and stop billing the american taxpayer for using
the question is who is the rightful authority of the money system.
either you believe there is a place for government or you don't.
if you believe there should be a government at all then that authority
must control the money system or become a slave. the people then must control the
government or live as slaves. anything else is tyranny.
ps. i hear bernanke is being advised by bernie madoff as we speak. i say
let the man out and let him earn his redemption working at the fed where
pps. it is all just stealing and counterfeiting in broad daylight.
just wait until the authorities figure it out, there will be hell to pay!
ppss. "no one speaks english and everything is broken." t.w.
Send Broder to the frontline. probably never had a fight in his life.
this is another pathological example america's elite being blood thirsty murderers and the washington post in general being a source of terrorism....it led the way in the cover-up of the cia murder of john kennedy and in the political assassination of richard nixon - another victim of the cia....this latest outburst from broder is no surprise.
what kind of fucking asshole wants a war to save an economy????
I will have to be more obvious in the future. Of course anyone reading, and understanding, zero hedge knows that destruction does not create wealth. Only some nut job with a PHD from an elite university, like Benny, could believe otherwise. And I also agree that we have to call the nut jobs who, are encouraging wars in the name of economics, out on their absurdity, all over the world, in a million articles. But, we don't need to overcomplicate the concept with a three thousand word article when we can do it in thirty. The eyes glaze over and we lose the intellectual battle. As in physics, the simplest formula is the correct formula, so in economics, the simplest argument is the best argument.
Taking on Iran is much harder to do than I-Rock ..
Iran has the >> " Sunburn Missle " the game changer ..
David Broder and the Washington Post saying, "war with Iran will save America's economy," proves they have jumped the shark.
In high American fashion. We are so media socialized we don't even know it anymore. For example in this whole thread comments and all did anyone ever mention the victims of our attrocities? Anywhere? Anyone? I hear about cost, and economy and this and that and the other thing but never a word about our victims. You know those millions of brown people we slaughter. Remember them? Good little Americans. Your brainwashing has taken very well indeed. Murderous bastards the whole lot of you.
For example in this whole thread comments and all did anyone ever mention the victims of our attrocities? Anywhere? Anyone?
Perhaps this will make more immediate heart-throbbing sense of the mention of DU above affecting all peoples:
that line of thinking has no traction to an american
audience. it has been used before and is ignored.
so you have to speak in terms of something americans
care about. like their parents eating cat food to survive,
or having the beer removed, or no more cable vision and
football. or no more funny t.v. commercials.
it's a kafka thing.
"that line of thinking has no traction to an american audience. it has been used before and is ignored."
I understand what you are saying but what I was saying is not a tag line or an arguement. The delination between murder and self defense or other legitimate use of force is slightly elevated above a "line of thinking" in my estimation. But like you say the concept has "no traction" and like I say any fair reading of the evidence will adjudge these people to be murderous. Guilty of murder. Funny that they routinely say they believe in a God. At least the Romans weren't so damn hypocritical.
i think you are correct. maybe soon ... we will see.
the fed is destroying the usa as fast as humanly possible, using all
available methods, without blatantly coming out and declaring it.
yes, get the rent free military to lose in three or four foreign
occupations at once. saddle the taxpayer with the global debt
upon withdrawal. totally f'd. and they will say we just didn't commit
enough. to what? we weren't wholehearted fascist enough to carry
their water, or flag or whatever they need to be carried. their weight.
Wait - now I'm supposed to believe those pointy headed academic economists? I thought they were the ones ruining the country with their neo-Keynesian claptrap? How am I going to ever keep this straight?
GIVE VIOLENCE A CHANCE BRUTHA!
The PRC and their merchant marine, already ahead of the US Army and Marines in personnel, is fast catching up to US Navy and Air Force hardware thanks to deliberate technology transfer, with Davey Crocketts, killer satellites, melamine bioterrorism, stuxnet cyberwarfare, Shanghai mutual aid pacts with Iran and pandemic flu shots already here.
Re the academic left shibboleth that breaking things and killing people is good for the economy, look no further than Bastiat's brilliant essay on the parable of The Broken Window fallacy putting glaziers back to work.
Or look at the chart of the 1929 Dow that did not recover to new highs until late 1954, in real terms 1966, with many bankrupt industrial components replaced by new companies proving the warfare whole was less than the sum of the consumer parts for at least three decades. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même.
Or consider HW who removed himself from office by Les petites guerres in Panama and the Persian Gulf with consequent recessions.
Only presidents who believe stupid neocon economists or Fed Chairs do not get reelected.
This president fired some of his after they blew economic recovery with QEs and more warfare plus shovel ready central infrasturcture planning aimed at the elections. Too clever by half.
Nobel Laureate Samuelson, Summers' uncle and Romer's fairy godfather, held in his Economics textbook that the Soviet Central Command Economy would surpass ours by 1990 because it was more efficient and rational.
What do these people smoke in their ivory towers anyway?
When a leading corporate mouthpiece in the WaBagPost advocates warfare to cure our economy, we are not that far from Hitler and Mussolini neoKeynesian fascism to be sure.
Since when has killing billions of people with depleted uranium or plutonium and bad vaccines cured the economy?
Wake up Amerika. We have one day to vote the bums out, even if Tea Party libertarians were coopted by coprporate control freaks.
Then maybe we can hold our Big Sister government and its Animal Farm corporate bank owners accountable.
Good luck with your junk maggot
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YAAAAHHHOOOOOO! Let em rip boys! After the dust settles, I'm gonna go in there and be the pimp daddy! I'm gonna set up a tattoo parlor, massage parlor, and a gentlemens club, and set them towlheads straight on gettin jiggy with the american dream thang! Gonna take my camaro too, and go down the streets at night doing brodies, and troll for some fine assed Iranian poontang! I'm gunna be king of Tehran, and everyone's gunna convert cuz I'll show em that my fine assed life was given to me by my lord and saviour- Jeezus Krighst.
Economic crisis resolution?...give me a break. What's our ROI so far on Iraq again?
Putting aside for a moment the fact that the Obama Administration is such a disaster that the liberal MSM is actually advocating what could become WW III to pull the president's ass out of the fire, let's examine the wisdom of taking on Iran:
Surely at this point it should be obvious that instigating a military conflict anywhere east of say, Vienna is ultimetely going to generate much more downside that upside for the USA. If you're looking to start a war just to start a war I'd push for N. Korea. There's a decent amount of moral justification to stand on (really, how could things end up being any worse for the vast majority of N. Koreans?) and let's face it, we have a much better track record rebuilding a postwar society/economy in that part of the world. If N. Korea ended up being anything like S. Korea (in the long run) it would be a huge win-win.
Obviously the elephant in this room here is again China, much more so than in the case of Iran, and that would have to be ironed out pre-game or it's a no go. Not an impossibility but it would likely involve agreeing to something very unpleasant. I'm also aware that N. Korea is capable of shelling Seoul into rubble in about a day and a half but I wonder if that threat couldn't be neutralized to a large extent in this advanced military technology era.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking to start a war at all and certainly not to cover up Obama's economic clotheslessness. But Broder's big idea is stupid for several reasons and even assuming that the general premise is solid, the details are stupid too.
If Obama ever attempted to pull a rabbit out of a hat in Iran like that he really would be The Second Coming.
...of Jimmy Carter.
What's our ROI so far on Iraq again?
That all depends on who the 'we' in 'our' pertains to
this is just...astonishing. In a frightening sort of way.
But, let's look at the map, we're in two adjacent countries to Iran. If you were playing Risk, this would be your next move
I think the more appropriate analogy is cards and taking on Iran would look a lot like doubling down on two loosing hands at once!
yeah but Trav knows (1) we are totally screwed on that oil thing and (2) this seems to be the only card were playing. Doesn't matter whether it's a good bet, this gambler revealed his strategy a while ago.
"And from the left, Larry Summers [...]"
On the contrary, Silber, virtually everyone on this site does know a thing or two about economics, including the Broken Window Fallacy. Most of the commentary is about the politics of war, as this is the overriding factor.
Think FDR and the Great Depression -- http://www.amazon.com/Day-Deceit-Truth-About-Harbor/dp/0743201299
The state can kiss my ass.
You know what I think.
Wow. Celente was right. And now the drum beat begins...
With any luck, this will be a career-ender for David Broder.
Why? It's like all Keynesianisms... when it fails, they just claim we didn't do enough of it.
So, when we attack Iran, and the economy tanks, they'll say, "should've attacked Syria, too!"; whereas, if they'd attacked Iran and Syria, they'd say, "should've attacked Sudan, too!"; etc, etc.
I'm afraid not. Broder is the 'dean' of traditional media morons who control the discourse in this country. Those of us out here in the real world can complain all we want, but never right idiots like Broder and Craphammer still have their columns.
Another good reason why traditional media is dying.
Iran would be a mistake, yet attacking a small fry country like, hmmm Yemen, would be easy enough. Oh, wait, didn't Yemen just get accused of sending many printer cartridges (to Bernanke so the Fed's treasonous terror threat of QE2 could continue)?
Worry not. The State Dept is on top of it. We've been Hellfiring weddings there for about a year now. Since just before the X-Mas bomber. In return, they send us back exploding "packages"
Clearly, on this site, I am the only one who knows anything about economics. The sole purpose of an economy is to create wealth. We don't need three thousand words to explain why war, which is the destruction of wealth, is not good for the economy.
War would bring billions of dollars in contracts to U.S. companies. Everything from food to weapons. This would create jobs. Unfortunately the money for the war would have to be borrowed and added to the deficit, thus leaving the taxpayer on the hook which doesn't bother our government at all. After the war ends is the problem when those manufactures are no longer needed and the layoffs start, soldiers return looking for jobs. The big corporations with government connections will be needed for rebuilding and infrastructure building(water, electricity, oil) in the conquered country and they will be paid by IMF and World bank loans at the occupied countries expense. Of course the U.S. would like to bully them into submission without an all out war by occupying countries around them, treaties with others, UN embargo, UN inspection teams (sounds like Iraq).
Who benefits the most? Big corporations and banks. Your not destroying their wealth with a war, only the common mans wealth will be destroyed.
There's no reason why those contracts wouldn't go to Kuwait as most do now.
So sure, a war with Iran would create jobs in Kuwait and help their economy, but let's not pretend that there will be any benefit to the USA.
I am not talking about the small players, and please provide some proof of what you are saying.
What followed was a U.S. corporate invasion of Iraq.
While some 150 U.S. companies received contracts for work in Iraq following the invasion, the big reconstruction winners (after Halliburton) were: Parsons Corporation of Pasadena, Calif. ($5.3 billion); Fluor Corporation of Aliso Viejo, Calif. ($3.75 billion); Washington Group International of Boise, Idaho ($3.1 billion); Shaw Group of Baton Rouge, Louisiana ($3 billion); Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco, Calif. ($2.8 billion); Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass. ($2.5 billion); and Contrack International, Inc. of Arlington, Va. ($2.3 billion).
You've got it all wrong. Any truly arrogant prick knows it's, "We can do it my way, or we can do it wrong."
No, you're right, if major news organs are printing Broder's idiocies without clearly marking them as satire, we don't need three thousand words to explain why they're nonsense, we need hundreds of thousands - distributed across an array of news outlets, so that our 'leaders' know we know it's horseshit.
And your illustrious PhD in economics is from which prestigious school?
Let him lead us to the mammon RR. Thank goodness we finally have someone who can illuminate us all. All bow to the great Silberbutt.
Right now we have a large Navy Fleet off the coast of Iran .
If Iran does not fire the first shot, it won't matter ,
one of our own war ships could do a " false flag " operation.
Sink a US warship , and tell CNN > " Look at what Iran did "
Dick Cheney would clap his hands.....
I'll be clappin my hands too, once I ship my badass camaro over there and start my own form of american diplomacy with all them fine assed Iranian girls. You know they cant wait for a little sexual liberation... Tsukato Style ;) Just ask all our lovely, well adjusted, american laydeez! YOW!
War only negates the REAL economy.
A REAL economy is one that honors ENTREPRENEURSHIP and INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM...
The SOLUTION ?
TAX STRUCTURE CHANGE....This means that all prices of all goods and services have a 30% add on with the current GOVT tax structure............that needs to be no more than a 10% add on....
Even with a 10% add on....the dollar will have to devalue in order to compete with BRIC....
At the moment....the US Govt. is a 30%/100% partner. DEFENSE "MILITARY" has to be dramatically downsized....
The GOVT. in general has to be dramatically downsized....
This makes me Mad .. Hillary Clinton and the President should be
setting up trade with Iran ... building a positive relationship....
but Nooooooooo ... Backing up the Jews / Israel is a bad idea..
Stopping Hitler was a differnt situation ... His army took Poland,
France , Italy , England was in big trouble...
If we do an air strike on Iran , China will jump in ...
China has Oil deals set - up with Iran ... this is not Gods way..
We could trade our Corn , Wheat , Lumber for their Oil ...
Yer a fucking retard.
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