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Watch The Accumulation Live (And Timelapsed) As New York Is Buried Under One Foot Of Snow

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Even as European retailers are bemoaning their fate, having their entire holiday shopping season destroyed due to inclement weather, shoppers across the US Eastern seaboard, which has so far experienced a mild winter, are about to see just how easy it is to proceed with inventory liquidations when nobody can get to your store. We can only hope that the bulk of sales have already taken place, although more than likely many consumers have left off they real bargain purchases until after Christmas when retailers bring out the hard-core, 80%+ off deals. Will snow be sufficient to keep the marauding masses away from that $199 46 inch LCD? Watch in real time below, as a webcam tracks the hexagonal water crystal accumulation in Midtown NY.

Video after the jump:

And some time lapse fun: the same picture at 2 PM eastern:

As of about 4 pm:

2 am Eastern:


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Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:06 | 830482 TheGreatPonzi
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Inventories, bitchez

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:05 | 830485 Bearster
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That old hoax is so 2007.

How about pensions, bitchez!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:11 | 830489 TheGreatPonzi
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The sales will be bad, but not because of the snow. I'd rather say that it will encourage people to look for warm in stores and supermarkets.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:23 | 830497 wisefool
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Or air conditioning in public schools. Birdseye invented refrigeration. Al Gore (manbear pig) is worried about the icecap and his houseboat.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:37 | 830509 Bananamerican
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"shoppers across the US Eastern seaboard... are about to see just how easy it is to proceed with inventory liquidations when nobody can get to your store."

Tyler, i know it's Sunday but is THAT all you got this morning?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:54 | 830680 Id fight Gandhi
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Oh, it is the holiday week. Not much news other than china raising rates.

Cnbs probably has their sat. Images of parking lots at malls ready to roll.any real news will be ignored.

199 good price for 46" tv. Where at?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:23 | 830693 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Tyler, i know it's Sunday but is THAT all you got this morning?


Are you kidding me?  This is amazing news!  It's indisputable, empirical proof that climate change does not exist, according to Faux News:

Edit in: Holy balls! I just read through some of the comments, and there are people here who actually think that a December snowstorm means that global warming doesn't exit.  *LOL*  No wonder Faux News has high ratings, and people wait in line for hours to buy Palin's newest book.  There are so many fucking morons in this world, it's truly amazing that Darwinism hasn't flushed them out yet.  



Sun, 12/26/2010 - 18:07 | 830822 Midas
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You forgot to throw Glenn Beck in too.  You do have a checklist don't you?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 19:30 | 830937 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Sorry, I forgot.  I should have assumed that Glenn Beck would have something utterly ridiculous to say about global warming, and he does. 

Here's Glenn Beck saying that since weather related deaths have decreased by 95% since the 1920's, then global warming must be a hoax:


Did you know that automobile accidents have increased by a factor of 1 Million since the 1920's? Obviously, our car manufacturers are making dramatically less safe vehicles. 

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 21:34 | 831059 Careless Whisper
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Here's a live cam of THE BULL, a block from the New York Stock Exchange (for you quants, Mahwah, NJ is buried in snow too)


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 09:34 | 831465 zhandax
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It snowed in December! Oh FUCK! The world is comming to an end!  Save me gubment!  I will give back your food stamps!  

What a bunch of spineless douches.


edit- I spent the holiday outside of Huntsville AL.  They got at least 4 inches of snow on Christmas for the first time ever.  They just blockaded the major N/S highway and the freeway and announced, "Fuck it, we're closed.  Merry Christmas, yall!"

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:02 | 831081 russki standart
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Gee Red Neck R.  and there are morons like yourself, terminally stupid who still  believe in the Global Warming Fraud.  I do not know if you are a spambot, paid to post pro AGW garbage, cannot find a replacement religion or just have your head up your ass. Either ways, AGW dogma is dying a most delicious death, and will take mediocrities like yourself along with it. Goodbye Asshole

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:42 | 831215 zeusman
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I will put up my Global Warming "fraud" against your creationist, the earth is 6000 years old bull shit any day of the week you Glen Beck loving, Rush Limbaugh ass wiping misfit.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:54 | 831265 Midas
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It is possible both theories are wrong. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:05 | 831413 russki standart
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Zeusman, I never watch glenn beck, and the left/right paradigm is nothing more than 2 sides of the same coin. Also, I do not believe the earth is 6000 years old, which, BTW, would provide support for AGW given the short data series used by the fraudsters to support their junk science.. No, I believe the earth is at least 6 billion years old, hence, even if your co religionists massage the date back a few hundred years, it is just statistical noise.

Merry Christmas

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:49 | 831218 Red Neck Repugnicant
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I'm not a climate scientist, so I have no idea if global warming exists, and if you reread my post you will find that I did not say anything otherwise. 

However, I do have enough common sense to know that a snowstorm in NY in the middle of winter does not negate the credibility of global warming concerns - that's just pure right-wing fucking lunacy, as is so commonplace with the GOP these days.  Weather on a Winter weekend and climate science are not the same, and everyone with a brain that has evolved past the lower stem will understand that. Do you have a forehead?    

The person who believes that sort of logic must also believe this:  because a Lamborghini is sold at a dealership in Miami, obviously the United States is not in recession.

Global warming may be a completely overblown concern - I have no idea.  But I can recognize a totally useless line of logic when I read it or hear it. 

I am sure that one day the Earth will - as George Carlin said - shake us off like a bad case of flees.  Until then, it is impossible for me to believe that our parasitic role on Earth does not have some sort of detrimental consequence to it. Do you remember Shanghai in the summer of 2008?  That city had a roiling miasma of industrial flatulence suffocating it.  And I suppose that means nothing? 

Gaia, bitches. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:10 | 831417 russki standart
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Ahhh, a much more intelligent response. At least you are open minded and have not drank the AGW koolaid. It is possible the earth is warming, but it is likely due to a myriad of factors, compounded by complex dynamic interactions. The current theory of AGW is clearly agenda driven, and is an affront to scientists interested in uncovering the truth, rather than producing garbage for their political masters.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 13:11 | 831703 RichardP
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I think it has fairly well been demonstrated that the globe is warming.  What is in dispute is the cause of the warming.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:39 | 831214 zeusman
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Darwanism?  Dont go throwing any of that fancy book-lernin science razzle dazzle at those righteous right winguts.   The earth is 6000 years old and Dinasours walked with Moses.  The real danger of 1 term for the president is the party of the anti-science pro mysticism taking over.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:20 | 831321 UncleFurker
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"There are so many fucking morons in this world, it's truly amazing that Darwinism hasn't flushed them out yet."


Don't worry, they'll be the ones refusing to budge from coastal Florida. When the Greenland iceshelf drops into the sea, Darwi will have his way.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:13 | 831419 russki standart
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We will both be dead long before the greenland iceshelf drops into the sea due to AGW. And you are right, I will not buy coastal property in florida. No, I will buy a ocean front property right in San Francisco right beside Al Gore, who supposedly knows something about climate science. The way I figure it, living in the shadow of the great prophet should protect me against rising ocean levels.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:22 | 831323 ebworthen
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Unless we start blowing off scores of nukes we are really insignificant in the grand scheme of nature.

Certainly, we can pollute and waste, but in short order the earth and it's pelthora of bacteria, fungi, oceans and plants will restore balance.  We are, after all, part of the equation.

Reduce, reuse, recyle = Yes

Conserve and don't pollute = Yes

Create a religion based on the omnipresence of humanity and our all powerful effect upon the planet = No

We are much more insignificant than we perceive, and this bothers a lot of people.

Worry not; You, I, and Yorrick will be worm food ere long and the Earth will go on - we just need to reduce the population and deactivate the nukes and stop messing with neutron colliders and dark matter.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:35 | 831559 Bryan
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Well said.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 05:24 | 831342 Popo
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And once again the question is re-cast into "Is there or isn't there climate change?"   The effort to oversimplify the question itself, is part of the propaganda campaign which is rife with self-serving interests.

The question is (one more time, let's see if it sticks this time) Are global temperature variations man-made?

The historical record is inarguable:  It has been much, much warmer than it is now within the past 500 years.  There were orange groves in England within relatively recent history.  We also know that all of Europe has been covered in ice for centuries (on multiple separate occasions). 

Are the trends we are seeing now the result of natural meteorological variation?  Or are they man-made?

Anyone who thinks that debate has been closed is a complete and utter ignoramus.

Of course, there are many who like to erect the straw man argument about the very existence of climate change.  A cheap play which ignores both causality and the scientific realities of macro-meteorological trends.


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:52 | 830673 A Nanny Moose
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People have no clue the amount of effort involved to power our lifestyles. What is the average microwave? 600-800 watts? Fridge? TV? Washing machine?

Putting a little perspective on things, a highly tuned (read: using better living through chemistry) cyclist can put down about 400 watts for about 60 minutes. At 450 watts you're winning Alp 'Huez. A sprinter can knock out about 1900 watts, but 30 seconds and it's all over but the cigarette. Remember, these are highly trained, often chemically enhanced versions of human beings.

For the average couch potato...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:57 | 830683 Id fight Gandhi
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Ameicans eat more than enough to produce that energy, we just store it as fat.

The guy that invents a machine to suck out the fat while powering your tv will be the first quadrillionaire.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:18 | 830707 A Nanny Moose
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Nope. It's far too easy to pop pills.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:21 | 830767 Armchair Bear
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The Lipo-Generator!!

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:39 | 831327 Temporalist
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It's called a bicycle generator and you can eat while you ride.  Give me my quadrillion but I'll take it in jewels, platinum, gold and silver.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:17 | 830705 A Nanny Moose
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Correction. A good sprinter can pull that kind of wattage for about 10-12 seconds. 30Seconds would include drafting off his lead-out train, during which he is NOT pulling 1900 watts


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 18:34 | 830853 velobabe
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that was an interesting article, thanks for posting ms moose. just remember the pro's like LA etc. are almost for sure using drugs. i am sure these cyclists in the warehouse weren't, so more accurate amount of human energy used. really incredible, pedal power. goes further than just watts produced. it is the Whole.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 07:46 | 831407 SPONGE
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As a lifelong racer, I appreciate your cycling references. If I could put out 400 Watts for extended periods (which I can't), I wouldn't be livin' in the USA, I'd be in Europe hangin' out with the podium girls.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:32 | 831649 velobabe
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you were a lifelong racer? hummm, cat 1 or 2? probably a 4. you know a lot of cyclists do end up marrying those podium hooks. cyclists on the whole, are pretty short. i don't think they have much of a package, or get testicular cancer from the lycra squeeze, if you know what i mean.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:47 | 830517 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Why FEMA built all those camps I don't know when CRE, strip malls and whatnot, will soon double as homeless sheltors. 

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:07 | 830486 TomB
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Ten years ago so-called "experts" scared people that snow would become a very rare event:

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:11 | 830487 TheGreatPonzi
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Global warming, bitchez

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:53 | 830521 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Now Fem Dem Yuppies everywhere who cling to the hope their party has one thing right are now saying that the Atlantic Jet Stream has flipped its current direction.  These Libiots should start saying their prayers if that is the case, because if the jet stream changes, there will be an ice age during the next decade, in which case gold and silver will be the only monie.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:20 | 830552 gloomboomdoom
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You must got some brain rot...

Normal symptom of doomerville

Now that the economy is "fixed" like a casino (illegal).

Doom about fake boobies, swedish men with penises posing as woman and phony weather change. You won't make me buy those worth ETFs (hunks of nothing).

Who are we going to doom about next?

Part of the wiki release included football players refferale to "animals".

"dump, stupid animals"...- Henery A Kessinger (refering to both white and nergo Americans fighting in Vietnam).

Before I get slammed by the doomsters, "negro" was a word used by Dr. King.



Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:13 | 830490 velobabe
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am going to go play golf, sorry tyler. life is a bitch when you don't want it 2 B.

hey, mikey K do you play golf? just asking, i am really fun to play with.

no snow, BOW WHO. snow cleans out the air and all creatures. we are lucky when it snows, it is a gift. i am sure NYC needs some white pure snow to help it heal.


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:20 | 830493 nopat
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Be that as it may, nothing short of a Christmas miracle will make your nipples point in the same direction.

Speaking of which, I could go for some pancakes right about now.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:56 | 830524 SheHunter
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I'm with you Velo B.  I can watch it snow here just about anytime I please so no golf but I got the buckskin saddled and am headed out with some of my low life 2 and 4 legged friends to see what can be seen on a snowy warm winter afternoon at 7,000 feet in the Rockies.  Cheerios to you on your groomed course!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 18:38 | 830857 velobabe
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well, 7000 feet, ummmm ????

i never play golf on christmas weekend, usually cross country skiing on groomed golf courses. it is ok, take what is given one. i bet you had fun. i use to do pack trips. you got a lot of legged friends†

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 21:56 | 831073 SheHunter
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..."i use to do pack trips."

Cool.  I knew there was a reason I like reading your posts. courses are good for many uses after hours and off season.  I used to ride horses I was training on a course after hours.  Almost level and soft ground if I got tossed on my butt.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:09 | 831089 velobabe
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honest my BF lover R A O U L   W I LL E,  did this most excellent.

i did ski behind an old chevy in the 70's, up and over owl creek. god times were crazies.

rope em up, and just ski behind anything that has RPM's.

i love my memory bank of shit on snow.

your cool.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:31 | 831109 SheHunter
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Skiing behind an old chevy......ah -   great image.  Best I can use to compare that adrenilin high is my favored winter pastime of chariot racing using sawed off 50 gallon drums for the chariots.  You'd be a natural at it if you like upredicatable high speed over snow.  many crash and burns but a few of our horses love it as much as we do.  Pin their ears back, stick their noses out and off they go!  life's pretty good all BS considered.....cheers to 'ya.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:20 | 830494 Arius
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Dont bet against the american consumer - another oxymoron about to be proven wrong !

Yes, we can!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:44 | 830578 GrouchoNotKarl
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They need to get rid of their soon worthless paper for real goods. Can't blame them.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:22 | 830496 bullet357
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Don't bet on Global age coming to a town or city near you.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:58 | 830592 G-R-U-N-T
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Thanks Bullet. I noticed some idiot junked you.

Interesting that the AGWCO2 frauds still want to believe this lie. CO2 a trace gas in our atmosphere is insignificant by definition.

You really have to be a dumb shit to believe that man made CO2 causes temperature change/Global Warming.

Here is an excellent documentary exposing some of the history and lunacy of this fraud.

Finally an interview by Dr. Tim Ball that educates the layman on this madness.!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:23 | 830769 Armchair Bear
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might not be the mini-version..


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:26 | 830499 Cognitive Dissonance
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The amazing thing is that 10 inches of fluffy "dry" snow is equal to only 1 inch of rain. Which just goes to show that it's the method of delivery that's usually more important than the item itself. :>)

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:03 | 830535 knukles
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Ah, much like political rhetoric.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:18 | 830555 SheHunter
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Or somewhere between 9 and 12 inches (I'm talking snow here girlfriends so lift thy minds from said gutter!) is equiv to an inch of rain.  But the two cannot be swapped when talking health of the lands that rely on snowfall.  Depending on many variables including topography, soil type, slope, amount of understory, etc, etc... a much less amount of rain soaks into the soil than does snow.  So we could have 12 inches of rain in a winter at high elevations and starve for water if the country evolved on receiving 14 feet of snow over the 5 month time span.  As a note of interest- at higher elevations in areas where there are large, dense stands of fir/aspen snow often does not melt from under these canopies until mid-June or even early August on high north facing slopes.  You can have lush, nutritious vegetation in open meadows and on south slopes and still need snowshoes to get around on the north side of a slope/mtn./ridge.  The snow slowly melts into the ground nourishing the vegetation, providing moisture for various animal species and decreasing soil erosion due to runoff.  Many time I can be in a T-shirt on a south slope with the dogs tripping over their tongue and, once on a north slope, find more than a foot of last winter's snow under the densly limbed fir trees of the Rockies.  So if there is such a thing as global warming and if we stop hearing the weather channel talk about the feet of snowcover in the rockies our densest most undisturbed forests will feel the effects in a greatly negative way- as will everything below the snowpack that relies on water from eveything from nameless springs to creeks, streams and rivers.  Most of you know this- but it is a good reminer every now and then when you are bitching under your breathe trying to plow out the road to the barns that there is a great rhyme and reason for your cold feet, frozen hands, snotty nose and spinning tractor wheels.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 19:12 | 830906 MobBarley
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I found your post very entertaining when I imagined it in the voice of Jack Handy.


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:35 | 831111 SheHunter
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Hey now MB.  Other than (in re'-tro-spect) it being a mundane trea'-tise intent upon stating the ob'-vi-ous.....what's your gripe?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:51 | 830674 sabra1
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it's like buying with margin!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:29 | 830501 Kaiser Zose
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In the northern half of the US, we are not pussies like the Eurotrash are over a few inches of snow.  It snows - we plow.  London was siezed up and the streets were mostly clear.  WTF. 

Regardless, where's Al Gore when we need him?  Probably experiencing the first White Christmas in 50+ years down in Tennessee, trying to figure out how he can make a flux capacitor big enough to heat up the earth. 

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:52 | 830545 knukles
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Leave it to Al to reinvent with public monies the array of upper atmospheric aural heaters already about the globe.  Just like the Hubble space telescope winding up being an "off the shelf piece" of already in service intelligence hardware.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:56 | 830600 cosmictrainwreck
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flux capacitors, bitchez

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 20:15 | 830980 ZeroPower
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Actually, if by the northern 1/2 you include the North-West, then yes it is a joke. Talk about central to East all the way up to Canada and now youre talking about troopers? 10cm on snow (~3in) closes down Heathrow? Hell, Canadian pilots probably prefer landing in such conditions as theyre more used to it!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:41 | 830512 gwar5
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Epidemic: global warming advocates suffering PTSD



Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:42 | 830513 Caviar Emptor
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The business of America is...Shopping! -Calvin woulda cringed. 

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:16 | 830549 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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God would have reminded him everything is preordained, and Calvin would have responded, 'Good thing I am one of 12 people going to heaven.  Haha, Bitchez....'

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:44 | 830514 Rogerwilco
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I wonder if we'll ever see any meaningful numbers for retail sales. Anecdotal reports are all over the place from wipeout to best ever, with the usual spin/bias depending on the agenda of the source.

Chatting with my brother yesterday, he commented that many people he met in stores seemed so unhappy in what is normally a joyful season.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:43 | 830515 RobotTrader
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The U.S. Consumer cannot be underestimated.

If they can't get to the store in late December, they will be back with a vengeance in January.

By the way, I lost my iPod the day before I left for Atlanta.  I went to Best Buy last Thursday night to buy another one, but they were SOLD OUT.  Even the expensive 32Gb models were gone.

It is now snowing in Atlanta right now, but cars are out everywhere and i'm going to find a Best Buy around here to see if they have any left.

Two years after "The Great Disintegration" when BSC, AIG, LEH totally imploded, instead of soup lines and gas rationing, we have shoppers maniacally shopping for the latest and greatest tech gizmo.


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:51 | 830518 Caviar Emptor
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Like late Romans debauching at an orgy?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:00 | 830527 Cognitive Dissonance
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From a purely anecdotal point of view, I felt this year's shopping season wasn't nearly as frenzied as years past, particularly 2006 and 2007. Not only were the Mid-Atlantic malls I visited not as busy as the news reports led me to believe, but the parking lots weren't as full. While there weren't parking places near the entrances, the lots were never full. I had a few discussions with the security guards I ran into and those who have been around for the last 4 or 5 years reported the same view.

Anyone else wish to chime in with their regional observations?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:21 | 830550 knukles
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Central Coast of the Winter Home of the Great Satan....  Tons of people at the malls, lots jam packed. 
BUT.  Lots of folks walking about with few if any packages.  The restaurants and movie theaters were going gangbusters, but the shopping was poor.
Of the sales, most seemed to be electronics.  The Mrs. participates in an annual charity based free gift wrapping effort.  Low volume, all electronic do-dads. 

And local golf courses closer to emptier than busy; 50+ degrees hereabouts.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:50 | 830739 Id fight Gandhi
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People looking for deals and finding none. Businesses will feel margin compression.

$50 to fill the tank is less money to shit to buy .

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:52 | 830588 Blano
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I'm in Detroit, and from what I can see, whether things are getting better or not, the malls and restaurants were and are packed. 

I keep looking for the death of the consumer, and if it's not going to happen here, I doubt it'll happen anywhere.  Just sayin'.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:17 | 830762 Id fight Gandhi
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been to Detroit. Anyone doing anything is an improvement.

$100 homes!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:09 | 830695 ExploitTheMarket
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I found the Las Vegas shopping season to be similarly underwhelming....Granted, I do not go out much, but the few times I went to places like the Fashion Show mall, the weekend pre xmas crowds were more like an offseason weekday, I only saw two stores that could be considered busy: the Apple store & the Coach store.... Of course, Vegas is currently a disaster as far as the local economy is concerned, and the population of clark county, NV is in decline in the current short run (but longer term census data shows NV as the fastest growing state). I even saw a condo listed for sale in Trump Tower on the strip for about 365k the other day....

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:45 | 830732 A Nanny Moose
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Central Coast of the Land of Fruits and Nuts. Xmas eve shopping. Lots not nearly full as previous years. Many people walking about empty handed.

I've found Xmas eve even to be pretty steady state over the years, since online shopping is filtered out of the mix..unless large numbers of people are getting into giving gifts after Xmas.

Live next door to a mall. All through the season, the lots were never full, and they just added a new Super Target. Previous years traffic jams formed, just to get into the parking lot.

Heading out now for some post xmas bargain mayhem.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 20:17 | 830981 ZeroPower
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Thx for the observations. I was at the slopes all day (less ppl) so no shopping for me but i heard from a relative in Burlington that the malls weren't as busy either..

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:38 | 831249 Problem Is
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" I felt this year's shopping season wasn't nearly as frenzied as years past,"

As Usual
After "robust" retail sales numbers reported in December...

They will be revised downward multiple times in the coming weeks...

Obummer Just Loves Lie and Revise Economics
<SNAP> BLS & Census... get on it...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:02 | 830532 Azannoth
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Well at least America is going out with a bang

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:03 | 830533 10044
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U recently been to a 5th ave store? Well, I'm in one RIGHT NOW (after being to a handful this am) and ALL you hear is non-English, so you'd better think twice about saying "American" consumer

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:19 | 830542 Caviar Emptor
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Two years after "The Great Disintegration" when BSC, AIG, LEH totally imploded, instead of soup lines and gas rationing, we have shoppers maniacally shopping 

THat's cause the soup lines are Virtual, Robo! Those 15 million woulda been lining up in the 1930s, but they're just getting fat at home on the couch thanks to the miracle of New Deal Era programs combined with post-Bretton Woods monetary liberalism and Bush/Obama era largess. A Win-Win(-Win if you include China). 

But are we digging our way OUT, or we digging ourselves DEEPER? That question will haunt and periodically spook the markets for years to come. Rather than an armageddon scenario, what I predict is gradual decline punctuated by acute crises, which can have an even more demoralizing effect by sapping the will to fight back. 

Happy Shopping everyone!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:18 | 830554 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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After not paying mortgages, medical bills, credit cards....

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:20 | 830556 Caviar Emptor
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Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:48 | 830584 Astute Investor
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And what is the net worth of the average U.S. Consumer???


Who can worry about retirement savings when there is a new 32Gb iPod to by RIGHT NOW!  Shop away you simpletons!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:54 | 830586 Astute Investor
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Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:50 | 830587 SteveNYC
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Actually Robo, I would vouch that this has been the most "hyped" shopping season I have ever seen in the USA. It is as if they (media, shills, retailers etc.) are going all-out to get people to shop-or-die trying. My personal Christmas spend = $0. Visited many relatives though, and didn't accept gifts from any, and will not bank the checks that those have given me as gifts subbing for cash (funnily, I was asked to NOT bank one of the checks given me as a gift until mid January.....that should tell you something about solvency right now in the middle class).

Anyhow, let me make a couple of suggestions on your post:


The HABIT/ADDICTION/ILLNESS OF THE U.S. Consumer cannot be underestimated.

If they can't get to the store in late December, they will be back with a vengeance in January FEEDING SAID ADDICTION.

By the way, I lost my iPod the day before I left for Atlanta.  I went to Best Buy last Thursday night to buy another one, but they were SOLD OUT.  Even the expensive 32Gb models were gone.

It is now snowing in Atlanta right now, but cars are out everywhere and i'm going to find a Best Buy around here to see if they have any left.



Anyhow, just my two cents. Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and yours.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:08 | 830620 tip e. canoe
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nice new avatar steve.   nice to see others in the apple with a buddha mind.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:51 | 830795 SteveNYC
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Thanks, figured it was time for a change. Living in the Apple without a Buddha mind is really damaging in NYC, in my opinion. After taking the red pill, the insanity in the place can be a little scary, but sure is fascinating to watch. Funnily enough, I find "fear" to be the theme in NYC more than anything. Quite interesting how it manifests into other emotions though.....

.....good luck to you tip e!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 18:12 | 830831 Midas
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Dearest Robot----Yeah!  We are back to where we were two years ago!   And it only took us another 4 trillion in debt. 

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 21:23 | 831052 Comrade de Chaos
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Was at the 3 rd st Promenade (SMC) last tuesday evening, there wasn't any rain at the time. Parked my car a bit away to avoid the hustle ...big mistake. Most stores were empty and most had substantial discounts.  

It could be me, could be that people avoid upscale goods or could be that Best Buy decided to not to have large I-p(ee) inventories since whoever wants those already has them and there isn't much difference in between the 07/08 models and 2010.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 21:27 | 831055 Comrade de Chaos
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p.s. Stop hating on Robo, seriously. He has his own opinions and they are relatively sound - despite the whole economic debacle and weak fundamentals the FED's put seems to be working..until it doesn't. And in any case, the next recession is going to be ... f bloody.  

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:25 | 831324 ebworthen
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Lemmings off a cliff, with iPods.

I saw a bunch of old ladies buying some really expensive black tulip bulbs down at the South Seas Hardware Store.

Amazing sale.

Nothing to worry about.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 13:56 | 830523 Threeggg
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Just think if you took "Every" snow-flake that accumulated in that one event (in the whole state of NY) and each one represented a Dollar.

There are far more Dollars than snowflakes......

Good luck in 2011

We are going to need it !


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:04 | 830531 virgilcaine
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The maniacal shoppers aren't a sign of a healthy prosperous society.  But one in decline.

It's global problem too, look at London.  Think I'll just watch some snow for a while.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:58 | 830603 gloomboomdoom
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Ya, London is a piece of shit Police State. I laugh at people that go there.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:06 | 830539 Oh regional Indian
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Hey all you eastern seaboard folks in th eUS, have you heard of Pierce Corbyn?

If you have not, I suggest you do. it might make you head out fast and get some supplies.

Here is a link:

Such un-fond memories of Christmas in the US for me, I feel really hum-buggy. My strongest memory is so many angry/frustrated people at those long winding linnes at the post office. And the random conversations that ensued.

That and thanksgiving *shudders*.

Anyone who has missed it so far should check out Zeitgeist the movie. Give a whole new meaning to this time. Twisted paganism in a Christian cloak.

All very confusing as to motives, etc. I guess we'll ultimately find out.

Be safe and well.



Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:10 | 830543 gloomboomdoom
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Rocky Racoon.......

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:19 | 830553 bob_dabolina
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Light flurries here in Ridgefield, CT

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:26 | 830562 Stroke
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Another perfectly wonderful day in Florida...


Don't eat the yellow snow...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:49 | 830789 Salinger
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yes a great day in FL


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:34 | 830565 Spalding_Smailes
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Container traffic grows 2.9 percent from September to October

A strong surge in exports pushed container volume at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey up 11.6 percent year-over-year in October, restoring recovery momentum at the East Coast’s largest port.

The port’s overall container volume also grew 8.3 percent from September to October, reaching 371,620 20-foot equivalent container units, the first month-to-month increase since July.

Exports grew 9.5 percent in October over the same month a year ago, and 18.7 percent from the lackluster September, to 139,182 TEUs, the highest point since September 2008.


The trend suggests a positive outlook for 2011, Sandifur said. "It appears that we are on the way back to pre-recession levels (for) imports. We are not there yet, but we are cautiously optimistic that maritime trade will continue to improve in 2011, although perhaps not as dramatically as we've seen in 2010."

Oakland's containerized exports rose to 85,677 in October, their highest this year but just 0.3 percent above the year-ago level.

In Seattle, containerized imports jumped an annual 33.4 percent to 83,054 while exports gained 9 percent to 55,552.

The port's performance was helped by demand for consumer goods such as home furnishings and sports equipment from Asia; by one shipping line's move of its operations to Seattle from Tacoma earlier this year, and by a reduction in fees that has lured business from some other West Coast ports, said spokesman Peter McGraw.

Exports of bulk items such as hay, apples, lentils and grain were boosted by the weaker dollar, McGraw said.

The East Coast is also seeing a rising trend of trade volumes, as shown by October data from the Port of New York and New Jersey. The number of import containers rose 3 percent from a year earlier to 232,438 while exports jumped 16 percent to 139,182.

"It's the tail end of the peak season and we're seeing a general economic recovery with an increase in consumer confidence," said Ed Kelly, executive director of the Maritime Association of New York and New Jersey.



AAR Reports November 2010 Rail Traffic Continues Mixed Progress


AAR Reports November 2010 Rail Traffic Continues Mixed Progress 
14 Commodity Categories Saw Gains During Typically Slow Holiday Month

WASHINGTON, D.C. –?Dec. 6, 2010 – The Association of American Railroads (AAR) today reported that monthly rail carloads for November 2010 were up 4.5 percent compared with the same period last year, while intermodal traffic was up 11.3 percent compared with November of 2009. Seasonally adjusted AAR data for November showed a month-to-month dip in carloads, down 1.1 percent from October 2010, as well as in intermodal traffic, down 0.4 percent from the month before.

"Even though U.S. rail volumes were down in November from October levels — due largely to Thanksgiving — November marks the 11th straight month in which rail volumes were higher than year-earlier levels. That hasn’t happened since January 2006," said AAR Senior Vice President John Gray. "Granted, 2009 was a bad year for rail traffic, but like the economy in general, rail traffic has been slowly improving. We’re hopeful that recent gains in consumer confidence and some recent encouraging signs regarding consumer spending will mean a continuation of economic growth and further growth in rail traffic."


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:01 | 830605 gratefultraveller
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just for shits and giggles - how would all these numbers compare to 2008?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:28 | 830643 Herd Redirectio...
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When exactly does Spalding think all the Christmas merchandise from China arrives??

Duh, it would be in October/early November.

It has already been discussed, the only statistics that (truly) matter are: sovereign debt, shadow inventory of housing, mortgages in default, and unfunded liabilities.  People stop paying their mortgage, but that doesn't mean they start saving that money for the future, when they hope to be able to catch up on payments.

Oh hell no, that money is being spent immediately!

Check out our latest PsychoNews story: "Psy-Ops, Disinformation & Bold Faced Liars"

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:31 | 830648 Spalding_Smailes
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For the first 35 weeks of 2010, U.S. railroads reported cumulative volume of 9,945,718 carloads, up 7.1 percent from 2009, but down 12.6 percent from 2008, and 7,494,424 trailers or containers, up 14.4 percent from 2009, but down 4.7 percent from 2008.

Canadian railroads reported volume of 76,823 cars for the week, up 19.6 percent from last year, and 50,700 trailers or containers, up 13.8 percent from 2009. For the first 35 weeks of 2010, Canadian railroads reported cumulative volume of 2,535,570 carloads, up 20.6 percent from last year, and 1,636,369 trailers or containers, up 15.7 percent from last year.

Mexican railroads reported originated volume of 13,572 cars, up 24.7 percent from the same week last year, and 7,532 trailers or containers, up 14.1 percent. Cumulative volume on Mexican railroads for the first 35 weeks of 2010 was reported as 480,632 carloads, up 20.7 percent from last year; and 229,596 trailers or containers, up 30.2 percent.


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:29 | 830566 UGrev
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ho hum, ho hum. Had ~70 inches in the area(s) in and around Syracuse, NY. 2 Feet is so "what-ever".. :)

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:09 | 830590 gloomboomdoom
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nothing is coming folks... A whole bunch of nothing...

I am going to go build a "the Bernank" snowman and stick a corn-cobbed hunk of nothing between his teeth.

National Bank > Federal Reserve

Fascism is getting out of hand! you still want to buy a Harley after they were *gifted* free 0% printed money???


The rule of law is important in a civil society (clearly something is broken when you fappers to transvestbite)...

You people are sick! Disgusting! Men aren't supposed to have sex with other men... usually society starts to break apart when that happens.

Camers laughing at you from the sidelines... but I clicked him anyway ;)

I am not taking junks if santa gave you coal instead of fiat.

Bring the HATE directly to me... debate me... this is a battlefield of ideas. Let's hear them Ivy Leaguers... show us what you can do.

DEFAMATION is back in Black!>>>


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:30 | 831248 Problem Is
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"I am going to go build a "the Bernank" snowman and stick a corn-cobbed hunk of nothing between his teeth."

Why Not?
The Bernank is sticking a "Corn-Cob" up your ass as we speak...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 14:55 | 830601 Vergeltung
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man, we sure are getting alot of globull wormening here in NY.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:02 | 830610 gloomboomdoom
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handed out 8 junks... feel that burn and sizzle for a minute.

Woke up to 2 feet of snow here in Obamaville (his home city)...

bless his soul... No Great Depression 2.0!

Nothing is coming :)

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:28 | 831246 Problem Is
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Snow in Kenya?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:50 | 831330 Rusty Shorts
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BWWWAAAAHHH-HAH-BWA-HAH-Ha-hah-hah...ah ha...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:07 | 830619 RobotTrader
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All I can say is that who would have figured that after the 2008 bust, the XRT would stage an incredible rally and basically outperform most sectors and unemployment is still at 9%.

Bottom line is that vast fortunes were made by those who sacked up and went long huge at the lows, buying the absolute worst sector at the time.

It is these once in a lifetime chances in the stock market where huge coin can be made, and these opportunities only come around once in a decade.  Perma-gloomers who tried shorting this run were decimated and opportunistic speculators made giant gains.

End of story.....

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:22 | 830635 bob_dabolina
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The stock market lost half of it's value in just a few months in 2008.

10 years to get the gains

A few months to take em' away.

Good luck and god speed.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:00 | 830687 Cursive
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Perma-gloomers who tried shorting this run were decimated and opportunistic speculators made giant gains.

And what will all that money buy these speculators?  Happiness isn't an i-pod or some other fadish electronica.  I'm happy for my loving family and the few relationships that I have with honorable people.  I don't really care for material positions, but I do lament that we live in an American society that is gripped with speculative fervor, materialistic fetishes and wealth-destroying central bankers.  

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:03 | 831412 VeloSpade
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...and foul mouthed BAMF's like me.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:15 | 830704 Astute Investor
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Why not show the chart back to 2007?  I'm guessing it would show that XRT was nothing more than a round trip - except for guys with "big sacks" like Robo who sold everything with the SPX at 1562 and loaded up, margined 20-1 at 666.

Those who cross-link a seemingly bold and skillful action with the size of their genetalia are usually lacking in both.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 21:58 | 831078 ElvisDog
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An increase from 20 to 48 on your chart represents a "vast fortune"? Really. So if you invested $50K you wind up with $120K. Nice, but hardly a vast fortune. And that doesn't account for short term capital gains tax that would further reduce your take.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:07 | 831314 Hephasteus
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Cool story bro. Did I ever tell you about the time I bought a stock for 20 and sold it to the PPT for 50 and then 3 months later the dollars I sold it for became worthless. It was a comedy within a tragedy within a comedy. Haha motherfucker.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:09 | 831315 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, and we bought gold and silver and did just fine asshole.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:34 | 830655 Xibalba
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The only retailers who are busy right now are the fast food Chinese shops.  Those delivery boys are out in force.  Absolutely no one is out shopping.  

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 15:50 | 830670 dark pools of soros
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the live feed now looks like a break room cam shot

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 16:19 | 830710 gloomboomdoom
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are you talking about ZH?

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:33 | 830776 Zina
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Global warming is making the Gulf Stream to slow down, what causes record cold and record snow storms in Europe and the USA. Just like the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". But the morons think a record cold is a proof against global warming...

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:07 | 831084 ElvisDog
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Morons are people who watch "Day After Tomorrow" and believe that it's true. Let me ask you, why do you believe in global warming? Are you a scientist? Have you studied the data and come to your own conclusion? I think not. Most likely, you believe in global warming because it fits with your political belief system. You are too blinded by ideology to realize the contradictions in "Global warming ... causes record cold".

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:15 | 831094 russki standart
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Zina, Gee I am so impressed that you cite a hollywood production as a model for AGW. I am also impressed that you believe that record cold is a proof FOR global warming. I think you are fully qualified to be a climate scientist.

My only suggestion is to re write the conclusions of the holy bible of the warmists, the IPCC report, you know, the parts that say snow will become a memory for europeans, that summers will become extended..blah, blah, blah. I could end this commentary with the obligatory insults, but I take joy in knowing that every time AGW faith peddlers like yourself keep trying to promote the party line, you are just creating more and more sceptics. Keep up the good work.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 17:57 | 830805 max2205
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And our pussy Fed is outsourcing economic policy to China and the commodity markets.

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 18:27 | 830844 Atomizer
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Last year

Julia Piscitelli Washington Shut Down by Snow, Again By Julia Piscitelli

Posted: December 21, 2009

Odd-ball winter weather caused by Global Warming: NWF

 As Steve outlined in the WWF and the EPA Endangerment Finding, the IPCC relied upon the World Wildlife Fund’s  production of non-peer-reviewed literature as a climate science authority.  Anthony reports on the IPCC being riddled with WWF citations.  Not to be left out, our friends at the National Wildlife Federation have put out another timely piece on Confronting Global Warming.

The title of the newest contribution is “Odd-ball Winter Weather:  Global Warming’s Wake-Up Call for the Northern United States” and the PDF can be downloaded from their website.   It is a well-manicured report with glossy photos of wildlife, folks enjoying ice fishing and skiing, and snowplows.  Here is the introductory paragraph to get a flavor of the quality of the report:

Global warming is having a seemingly peculiar effect on winter weather in the northern United States. Winter is becoming milder and shorter on average; spring arrives 10 to 14 days earlier than it did just 20 years ago. But most snowbelt areas are still experiencing extremely heavy snowstorms. Some places are even expected to have more heavy snowfall events as storm tracks shift northward
and as reduced ice cover on the Great Lakes increases lake-effect snowfalls. Even as global warming slowly changes the character of
winter, we will still experience significant year-to-year variability in snowfall and temperature because many different factors are at play.

All timely for you to feel guilty on the amount of Co2 your spewing from your dirty mouths and stinky butts..

Wash, rinse, and repeat since 1998 thru 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 22:23 | 831100 russki standart
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Good points, Atomizer, The WWF and other AGW snake oil peddlers are compulsive liars, who simply cannot comprehend that this scam is busted, and it is time to find a new way to defraud the marks. With their tongues, they just keep digging a bigger and bigger grave for their discredited faith based psuedo science.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:50 | 831224 zeusman
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Hey russki stantard - How about some anti-climate change data and info?  To hard for you to remember what Rush Limbaugh said last week?   Where did you get your advance degree in Atmospheric Physics?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 05:13 | 831341 dogbreath
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where's your data and info. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:31 | 831424 russki standart
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Remember, Zeusman, I am not the one making extraordinary claims that Global Warming is primarily caused by human activity. Nor am I obliged to provide an alternate theory, or prove a negative since, even if the earth is warming, this still does not prove AGW. Also I never watch Rush or Beck (in fact I watch less than 3 hours of TV each month), and do not need a degree in Atmospheric Physics to identify agenda driven science. Sorry Bro, bu you have to do better than scribble ad hominem attacks.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:50 | 831225 zeusman
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Hey russki stantard - How about some anti-climate change data and info?  To hard for you to remember what Rush Limbaugh said last week?   Where did you get your advance degree in Atmospheric Physics?

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 02:06 | 831274 Red Neck Repugnicant
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faith based psuedo science.

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about:

1.  Evolution is a scientific scam.  Fossils and bones are planted by God to confuse us. 

2.  The Earth is the center of the universe (see Roman Catholic Church and their treatment of Galileo)

3.  The Earth is flat (Bible repeatedly refers to the four corners of the Earth, and the ends of the Earth, and the Lord set the Earth on its foundations and it can never be moved)

4.  The Earth is 6000 years old

5.  The moon emits light (Genesis 1:16)

5.  The blood of birds heals lepers (Leviticus 14:1-8). 

6.  Intercropping is dangerous (Leviticus 25: 1-12). 

7.  Birds that creep are an abomination (Leviticus 11: 20-23)

8.  Birds to not store food (Matthew 6:26)

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Religious people are funny. 



Mon, 12/27/2010 - 04:55 | 831334 Rusty Shorts
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 ... and Methuselah lived 969 years, then he died, they mourned for 7 days, then the great flood began.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:51 | 831433 russki standart
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I am not religious and do not identify with any of the above points. My problems with AGW are simple, IPCC politics has clearly tainted the data and results manufactured by the self styled climate scientists, and the monied interests backing Cap and Trade (ie Goldman Sachs, GE) stand to earn hundreds of billions by defrocking the average person of hard earned currency via artifically high energy prices, and cost of food.
Most of all, it is morally reprehensible that the AGW religionists are willing to condemn billions to starvation and early death as part of their fundamentalist creed of eugenics and social control. If they truly want to save the world, the AGW fanatics should lead by example and commit mass suicide.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 08:41 | 831435 No....we cant
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How do scientists describe the conditions that existed 1 second before 'Big Bang' occured??



PS - Be careful, I'll ask after your bullshit answer why you violated Newton's Laws.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:35 | 831561 zeusman
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Uh simple Einstein.. Newtons Laws were actually created post singularity.   You wouldnt understand the math so dont worry about it..

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:33 | 831619 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Be careful, I'll ask after your bullshit answer why you violated Newton's Laws.

A violation of Newton's Laws means very little when discussing the world on the subatomic level, or when the universe was a fraction of a second in age.  What do you think quantum mechanics is?  How are quantum entanglements and the wave-particle dualities of light described by Newton's Laws?

Your problem and the problem with religious idiots is the same problem that physicists had before the breakthroughs of Planck, Heisenberg, Einstein, Dirac, Pauli and others: you try to package Nature into your template of understanding, rather than allowing Nature to create your template of understanding.  Before quantum mechanics, physicists tried to understand the subatomic level of Nature by stuffing their discoveries into Newtonian physics - and it failed.  The science community was forced to reshape and redefine the laws of physics to better understand Nature; hence the creation of quantum mechanics.

Religious idiots do the EXACT opposite:  the take Nature and stuff it into their very narrow-minded view of the world.  They take the Bible (or Koran, or whatever) and force Nature to conform to it, and that is why the religious community is filled with ridiculous ideas, such as fossils were planted by God to confuse us, or the Earth is the center of the universe.  Religious people only accept data and research that conforms to the absolutes of their Bible, which inevitably leads to a very odd and peculiar understanding of Nature - much the same as those physicists who tried to understand quantum movements using Newtonian laws.

Just because both Newtonian laws and quantum mechanics aren't able to properly describe the events that likely occurred when the universe was less than a second in age does NOT discredit the entire notion of the Big Bang.  It simply means that science must continually adapt their formulas and understanding of Nature, as Nature reveals itself.  That approach to Nature is immeasurably more logical than relying on Biblical absolutes as your template for Nature and the lunacy than ensues.  Which is more logical: were fossils planted by God, or do evolutionary biologists need more time to discover and understand the world? Did God create the world in 6 days and rest on the 7th, or do cosmologists need more time to understand the events after the Big Bang?

P.S. You be careful, too.  I'll make you look like an idiot. 




Mon, 12/27/2010 - 19:02 | 832355 No....we cant
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No one said anything about god here.

All I asked you was to describe the conditions 1 second before the big bang.


tick, tick, tick

Tue, 12/28/2010 - 03:54 | 832952 Rusty Shorts
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The "big bang" theory is just fodder for the sheeple, like yourself, it never happened.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:20 | 831548 zeusman
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Major THUMBS UP to Red Neck Repugnicant!!

Sun, 12/26/2010 - 20:19 | 830983 Zombies On Toast
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Geez, you New Yorkers are worried about a foot of snow?? LOL


Sun, 12/26/2010 - 20:39 | 830986 G-R-U-N-T
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Thanks Atomizer for the reminder...

The world could have one big fart-o-rama every day for a thousand years and still there would be no effect on temperature change, because the very premise on which the ACO2GW frauds science rests is in error.


Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:32 | 831206 CYBERTOOTH
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Nobody's keeping up.  We're going into an ice age, doncha know?  The Northern Hemisphere will be covered in ice in a year.  Global Warming is sooo 1990s.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:51 | 831226 bullet357
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A person can always trace who is pushing Global warming to who finances gains in useing Carbon credits....This is the NWO new scheme for world control.  They are the ones who finance or fund the projects who promote G.W.  The sun is the major influance on the Earths weather system and with a solar minum extending for a long amount of time ...The earth will cool down.... just the  facts.  Two words to live by 2011 "Food & Ammo

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:59 | 831228 zeusman
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From AOL News:

The NASA statistics indicate that the overall global temperature during the climate year (December 2009 through November 2010) was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the 1951-1980 base period, making it the warmest since records began in 1880.

All-time record heat occurred in 19 nations in 2010 -- the highest number of national all-time records established in a single year.

Hasnt been fact checked by climatic researchers Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck yet but I am standing by for their brilliant scientific analysis. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:58 | 831229 zeusman
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From AOL News:

The NASA statistics indicate that the overall global temperature during the climate year (December 2009 through November 2010) was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the 1951-1980 base period, making it the warmest since records began in 1880.

All-time record heat occurred in 19 nations in 2010 -- the highest number of national all-time records established in a single year.

Hasnt been fact checked by climatic researchers Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck yet but I am standing by for their brilliant scientific analysis. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 00:58 | 831230 zeusman
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From AOL News:

The NASA statistics indicate that the overall global temperature during the climate year (December 2009 through November 2010) was 1.17 degrees Fahrenheit above the 1951-1980 base period, making it the warmest since records began in 1880.

All-time record heat occurred in 19 nations in 2010 -- the highest number of national all-time records established in a single year.

Hasnt been fact checked by climatic researchers Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck yet but I am standing by for their brilliant scientific analysis. 

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 05:11 | 831340 dogbreath
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so what.  is this proof of somthing

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 09:01 | 831453 russki standart
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Wow, I am like totally convinced that AGW is like, reel. You know, like lady Gaga.

Assuming you didn´t know, James Hansen who manages the NASA dataset is a fanatical eugenicist willing to eliminate billions to save the earth. He is a proven liar, distorting and massaging data to favor predetermined conclusions. He is a less credible scientist than Al Gore, and has less integrity than a vietnamese whore that promises ¨ I swallow, not spit¨.

You just have to do better than this.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 14:00 | 831777 RichardP
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What are you disputing ruski?  Whether global warming actually exists?  Or what is causing global warming?  It would be useful to us readers if you made a more careful distinction.

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:26 | 831244 Problem Is
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Nice thing about snow and below freezing temperatures in NY City...

Urine on the streets doesn't quite smell so bad frozen...

Mon, 12/27/2010 - 01:57 | 831267 G-R-U-N-T
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zeusman, calm down you only have to click "save" once.

By the way here is a visual of Wiggle the Grandfather of this ACO2GW Fraud.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!