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Most of the water seems to miss the reactor.....
How many years will they have to keep dropping water? 10, 100, 1,000,000?
They just said 100-200 trips which roughly matches the estimate I was doing. I guess they are going to move in with trucks after that.
9:20 PM EDT the helicopter drops have been suspended after 4 passes each. Looks like they couldn't hit the broad side of the reactor. To be fair it looks like the winds are high.
NHK is saying radiation was too high. I noticed the first helicopter came in low and hit the target. I bet the pilot looked at his dosimeter after the pass and had a heart attack. So now they are bringing in the ground trucks. I assume the trucks will set up up wind. How they expect to refill the pool using a fire hose from hundreds of feet below is beyond me.
water drop = FAIL
"In a desperate effort, a Self-Defense Forces chopper tried to carry a bag of water to dump on one overheating location, but had to abort."
Their training was sub-standard....They were not trained by the best...
The spent fuel tank holds about 2000 tons of water in reactor #3. Taking into consideration wind, heat evaporation, pilot error, and other factors helicopter dousing should fill the tank by December 2017.
Ok, I'm not a nuclear scientist so can someone please explain why we don't just build these things on the coast behind a concrete dam and below sea level. This was a suggestion previously posted on ZH.
Should this happen again they would blow the dam and wait for a year to rebuild it. Instant cooling. No need for electricity, just a little bit of C4.
Wtf - is Harry Wanger in charge?
Well, of course the winds are high. They're right on the edge of the ocean. Watching the helos dropping water on the reactor, I thought 2 things:
1. The spent fuel rods must be exposed directly to the environment.
2. These people are fucked.
They did 4 and now they are suspended. Sounds bad. Radiation too high??
Even if it did hit, how much could a bambi bucket really help?
Makes you wonder if this is really a show before the inevitable so as not to cause panic.....
edit: or to prepare for the trucks that will do the same.
Could not get the table to format, you'll have to visit the (extremely pro-nuclear) site to see the output rate decay tables.
A very optimistic table from
The bad news is they are trying to cool 16 or so MW of residual heat output (just from the reactors) with teensy buckets from chinooks.
if you recall, helicopters tried to drop neutron packages into Chernobyl to limit the chainreaction, they all missed the target and most died within the next couple of years.
that was a miss, I wonder if they could not get a concrete-type pump like they used for parking structures - like a boom?
Good thing Rx3 got "most" of that water that was dumped on it. Or rather near it. Good god, is this all they have?
in a word: doomed.
Why does this "Attempt" remind me of Tonka Toys and Erector Sets?
Good Luck with that
Yes, thank you Tyler.
It's been awhile so I should say it again..ZH is EPIC...
ZH rules in a total and complete fashion...thanks again Tyler!
Immediate steam at those temperatures. What's the fucking point?
Operations from the air are desperation.
MELTDOWN OF AT LEAST 3 REACTORS.
Like I said three days ago; fuel the Chinooks and ready the cement and stone barriers.
God bless the poor people in there trying to stop it.
What the fuck is this? A Marx Brothers movie?
I applaud their brave efforts at doing something but if this is all that's left...
This is like pissing on a forrest fire. Seriously, don't even waste these poor souls lives.
This is mega fucking desperation and, frankly, pointless.
Tell everyone in Tokyo to GO SOUTH. Period. Walk, ride a bike, run, jog...what the fuck ever.
My jaw dropped. They can't even hover over the reactor. Total desperation.
Oh no, there goes Tokyo,
And it ain't Godzilla.
Turd gets the award for most appropriate description of the, uh, situation...
Marx Brother's movie...yes...sadly...
"Duck Soup" doesn't quite fit.
How about that title with an "F"?
I pity them; it's not like they screwed up, we are NOT ready for a 9.0 magnitude earthquake in the U.S. - it would be Katrina X10 - would they blame Obummer? Boehner? Duh.
It's like dumping golf balls and garbage down a blown out oil well.
You guys really need to chill out w/ the fear mongering....
"First, the situation is clearly (but slowly) stabilising. As each day passes, the amount of thermal heat (caused by radioactive decay of the fission products) that remains in the reactor fuel assemblies decreases exponentially."
LOL, WHAT? Where the fuck did you get your Engineering Degree? Send it the fuck back and ask for a refund.
At some point a person like you passes a certain point from being a sh!tty person to just being a piece of sh!t.
Methinks you passed that milemarker a ways back. One man's opinion...
Viva -- Sager
Yeah, this troll and the other 1/2 dozen to dozen accounts he has has worn out the welcome. Time to hit the ignore button.
"Time to hit the ignore button."
Oh man, if only....
Are you really that fucking stupid? Your cited website seems to be working off of data from Saturday BTW.
Hi. Welcome to Zerohedge, the home of the worlds largest collection of 'doomers'
If you do not religously agree with our end of the world theme and/or try to interject some sanity in to our end of the world thesis, we will call you stupid between our trips to the backyard to bury our silver.
I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone who calls themselves "Math Man" and doesn't even understand what "Exponentially" means. Fucktard.
Radioactive elements are subject to exponential decay dipshit... that means there is less every day. Go bury some silver....
unfortunately, the half-lives are sometimes in centuries
Seriously? You're a returd.
The half-life of the plutonium used in the MOX reactor (#4) is over 20,000 years. But it's cool, you said everything is going to be OKAY.
... the situation is clearly (but slowly) stabilising.
Math Man - that statement was made with regard to the situation inside the nuclear reactors - and it was pretty much a true statment when it was made. The longer they could keep pumping water into the reactors, the less likely the mass was to melt through the bottom of the container in the event of a total melt-down. This sentiment has been expressed several times on ZH.
But the nuclear reactors are not what is causing the problems. The problem is with the 600,000 spent fuel rods on location that cannot be kept cool. The article you linked to was talking about the reactors (non-issue), not the numerous spent fuel rods (the issue). That is why you are being blasted.
and you're posting, why?
Wow you are stupid. Maybe you have not been following along for the last few days. Go back and read the ZH coverage for the last 3 days.
This is quickly moving past the point of 'worse than Chernobyl'.
judy,i wish the japanese government would use you as a human geiger counter. would be the first time you provided any value to humanity.
Wow. You really have no idea what you are talking about...
Chernobyl didn't even have a containment structure... making it far worse than anything that has or will happen here. Please stop making shit up.
All of you "I read it on ZEROHEDGE. It must be true!" monkeys can get back to burying silver in your backyards now.
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