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Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:13 | 934715 Jim in MN
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Horsewhippin' Hank?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:18 | 934736 lsbumblebee
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Hopefully Headless Henry.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:14 | 934725 monkeyfaction
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It seems that the US have finally realised they were backing the wrong horse and are quickly trying to find a new one that isn't going to make trouble for israel.

I wonder if Mubarak has told the US to go screw themselves and that he won't leave until September?

'It's me until September or chaos followed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Your call'

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:20 | 934745 Pants McPants
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'It's me until September or chaos followed by the Muslim Brotherhood. Your call'

(yawn)....I haven't watched one second of US news on this topic, yet I'm thoroughly bored with the silly attempts to tie the Muslim Brotherhood to a sinister agenda.  How does anyone know what the MB is thinking or what its motivation(s) are? 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:35 | 934794 jesse livermoore
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study the history of the movement.  Hamas and Hezbollah terririst groups are offshoots of the muslim brotherhood.  they also support shaqria law and worldwide jihad.   Bin Laden was mentored by the second highest ranking member in the brotherhood .  i could go on but check it out yourself.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:21 | 934965 DaveyJones
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Bin Laden was "mentored" by the CIA as well. 

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/08_01_98_osama_bin_laden.html

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:41 | 935060 jesse livermoore
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yes he was, but that doesnt give a pass to the muslim brotherhood, they are still bad guys

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 16:50 | 935981 Miles Kendig
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Next you'll be saying; "Don't vote for Obama, Democrats are segregationists, just look at FDR, George Wallace & Bull Connor".

In this I direct you to this comment from CNN's Amanpour regarding Muslim Brotherhood's comments on upcoming national elections .... Heck, even George Wallace never went this far, until the end of his life that is.

I spoke by phone to Muslim Brotherhood leadership: says it will not field any presidential candidates. Backs a civil democratic state.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 16:14 | 935954 downwiththebanks
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MB:  Born of British intelligence in the 1920s.

Apartheid Israel:  born of white imperialism in 1947.

Which has done more damage to the world?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:36 | 934795 monkeyfaction
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They are certainly being painted as the bogy man of the current situation.

I heard on BBC news that if they got into government they would tear up the peace treaty with Israel.

It's hard to know what is fact and what is propaganda though these days.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:55 | 934887 Drag Racer
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If your not clear on where the MB stands and what the Egyptian people understand and want, this may clear things up.

Rantings of a Sandmonkey, Egyptian blogger

http://www.sandmonkey.org/2011/02/03/egypt-right-now/

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 16:12 | 935946 DoChenRollingBearing
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Drag, thanks for the interesting link.  I sent him an email wishing him luck along with telling him about ZH.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:06 | 934925 palmereldritch
Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:07 | 934926 Fascist Dictator
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Try checking out "caliphate". This has been the Muslims agenda for ages.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:16 | 934954 Pants McPants
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Really.  Over a billion Muslims in the world, and ALL of them wish to impose caliphate?  I doubt it - that's one broad brush you paint with, FD.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:39 | 935045 Fascist Dictator
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There are more Islamofascists than moderates, besides the fanatics force the rest to go along. They control the women and the men can do whatever they like. And YES they want the entire world to be Islamic. You'd better wake up because it's happening right here in the good ol' USSA. Sharia is a creeping weed.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:25 | 935266 pods
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Yo Hannity, who you gonna have on the show tonight?

pods

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 19:11 | 936379 downrodeo
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Answer this for me: Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that the 1.5 billion Muslims are going to take over the other 5.4 billion of us and force us all to live under Sharia Law?

 

I mean, honestly, look at those numbers. Assuming that every single Muslim wants the rest of the world to convert and live under Sharia Law, they're out numbered at least 3 to one. What you are doing is fanning the flames of irrational fear.

If you do believe what you say, I would suggest going down to your local Mosque and meeting a few Muslim people face to face. Have a meal with them. See what they're really all about. However, IF you don't actually believe this, but say it to further an agenda, you are the cancerous pond-scum that expedites the corrosion of everything that was once great about our country.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 20:55 | 936558 Sparkey
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DownRodeo, I think you have got him there, what rational person could believe these mad scenarios, having said that; I don't think the Egyptians are going to make it this time, too many "Important" people want the status quo, if they can't have Mubarak then they want another Mubarak, the name can change but the reality must stay the same, the Gaza blockade must remain.

What I've read about the Vice President, Suleiman today on the XOM page is that he enjoys personally participating in torture sessions, if Obama and Bibi can get this fellow into power a lot of people are going to feel his wrath, will it succeed in destroying the yearning for a better life among the masses of Egypt, some how I doubt it--- But when they come roaring back there will be fire in their nostrils and no more Mr. nice guy!

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 16:12 | 935948 downwiththebanks
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Let's see:  caliphate=bad

White imperialist apartheid state whose sole existence is to steal land from Arabs and kill them = good.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 22:56 | 936734 Cpl Hicks
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A tad bit simplistic but not too far off the mark.

** (2 stars for you)

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:07 | 934927 New_Meat
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"How does anyone know what the MB is thinking or what its motivation(s) are?"

You could look it up, my search took 0.61 seconds.  E.g. following for starters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

Could also go to their "official English website" but that would be sanitized from real objectives.

 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:06 | 934923 Henry Chinaski
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A peaceful transition of power via the elections in September seems preferable to an abrupt defenestration of the long-standing dictator. Western goverments and media seem to be hell bent on dumping Mubarak now, but so do the enemies of the west like Iran; this doesn't make sense.  And finally, if Mubarak goes now, then what?  The current US administration is incompetent and this is the biggest fuck up since the Gulf oil spill.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:11 | 934938 Pants McPants
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It seems to me the West waited to see which way the wind would blow before getting behind it.

While it is tempting to point out the strange alliances (i.e., US and Iran) this position has uncovered, what's left unsaid is why whatever government Egypt settles upon is any of the US (and the West)'s business.

To me it is beyond disingenuous for the US to voice a desire for peace or stability.  They lost that battle the second they funded/interefered with the current regime.

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 00:31 | 936876 lawrence1
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The US owners want the status quo in any form to protect Israel which directs US foreign policy. Obama is a lying hypocrite when he talks about supporting the Egyptian people, and, even worse, a republican president would probably have sent military assistance to Murburak immediately.  The US elite care for neither the people of the US nor the people of Egypt. Fuck this farce of a democracy.

 

 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:33 | 935017 Clampit
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I hear from my wife (who speaks Arabic and resided in Yemen for a stretch) that MB isn't a force of evil. Word on the street (from a native written blog) is the Egyptian people are just fed up with the US-ification of the Middle East. And from what facts I do know about our presence there, I can't blame them.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:38 | 935040 Pants McPants
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This is what I have been able to discern as well, although you have a much better source than me! 

I'm not ruling out a sinister agenda for MB, but it seems unlikely given the strong show of solidarity between Muslims and Christians in December.  The more I read and try to understand, the more this revolution appears to be a popular uprising against corrupt Western influence.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:14 | 935221 Clampit
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All political groups have a sinister agenda to someone, so yeah I'm in the same boat. And if this agenda is to have at it with Israel, well I'm still a bit torn. I don't have the requisite experience to endorse (or oppose) Antisemitism, but the faces I see behind some of the greatest evil's today, and the holy unanimous mythological vilification of the arch-Führer-anti-Semite, well I just have to take a step back.

Take it for what you will, and understand that Libertarian is my closest brand politically, but I've always regarded Hitler as the greatest politician of all time. 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:37 | 935319 OuaisBla
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Personally I would go for Staline as the best politician ever. He survived the world

war II as well. Hitler had to resign before the end. Not much of a good politician

if you ask me. LOL

Joking ...I just hope that you'll reconsider thinking about Hitler in a good way.

This man was crazy and he profit from the previous crash (1929) to try to establish

a new order with the help of the German people. It did it in the worst possible

way ever IMO.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:56 | 935408 Clampit
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Oh I most certainly don't think of him in a good way; he's a politician. Trouble is I don't think we learned any lessons about how he accomplished what he did. I work for a German company. Germans are some of the most no-nonsense, diligent and intelligent people I know - that they fell for Hitler's agenda should give closer scrutiny to the political question. Instead, we elevate Hitler to demonic status and seem to dismiss his following as being somehow brainwashed by superhuman forces. Much of what sickens me about US nationalism rings eerily similar to Nazi Germany.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:28 | 935548 Pants McPants
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Much of what sickens me about US nationalism rings eerily similar to Nazi Germany.

Exactly.  And here in the US we'll get a healthy dose of it this weekend with the Super Bowl.  Flag waving, flyovers, parachuters, .... and, of course, the endless military recruiting ads on television.

What's worse, the line between sports, news, and politics is so blurry now so as to make it unrecognizable.  That's the main reason I gave up the idiot box. 

Sat, 02/05/2011 - 12:07 | 937398 dizzyfingers
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Organized crime > odds-makers > sports > opiate of the masses > USA

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:34 | 935563 Pants McPants
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dupe

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:33 | 935572 Pants McPants
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trip

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 18:34 | 936327 StychoKiller
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Read "Obedience to Authority", by Stanley Milgram

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 15:48 | 935831 GDE
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Divide to conquer is the goal.

The US use the same method against Europe with massive african immigration and islamisation.

And with Bernanke and the Fed of course.

 

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 20:32 | 936531 OuaisBla
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That is an interesting theory.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 16:08 | 935931 BorisTheBlade
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Egyptian people are just fed up with the US-ification of the Middle East

Not just Egyptians, speak plainly to young Saudis not from the royal family if you ever have a chance, you'll get the similar sentiment. This is a revolt against the Empire, not just Mubarak. Military projection can hold this together for some time, but not much longer. Soviet Union being in a similar situation couldn't get hold of the Eastern Europe despite its miltary might.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 14:27 | 935545 Bob
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The "right" horse could only be defined in oil and related regional dynamics.  We seem pretty flexible about the human rights thing, all in all.

We mustn't allow Muslims to control that--their own--region.

Apparently, Muslim oil don't work too good. 

Which is too bad, since we could just leave the entire Middle East to them and cut out both the military/foreign aid expenses and various costs of The War on Terror, since they would no longer have anything to hate us about (al Qaeda has been quite clear on this point, if you can't see it intuitively.) 

They could all go Muslim if they like.  Just like Iran, which remains a potent producer and exporter of oil. 

Yeah, too bad we just couldn't count on good oil if they were all Muslims. 

Sometimes I wonder just whom it benefits to keep things the financially insane and morally Machiavellian way they are.

It's a good thing the taxpayers pay every single penny of the costs.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:17 | 934733 High Plains Drifter
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interesting. why did they turn the live feed back on?  hmmm....

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:18 | 934734 NoLongerABagHolder
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Contrary to popular demand...... America is not on the verge of collapse as per this blogger. Interesting points at least:

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/475264-tim-ayles/134563-debunking-myth...

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:53 | 934851 downrodeo
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I don't know man, something doesn't seem right about that guy's arguments. He compares the worthlessness of paper fiat to the worthlessness of oil as a "sticky goo that could ruin the environment if it ends up in the wrong place". Then later he acknowledges that crude gains value when oil companies refine it. His analogy breaks down when he neglects to point out that while you can substitute anything for fiat currency, it isn't as if you can just substitute ammonia or peat moss for crude oil.

Here is another example of his misleading thought process:

 

China is growing at roughly 10% a year, and we are only growing at 3%. I get that. Let's do the math though and see if we should worry. If China is a $6 trillion economy, growing at 10%, they grow by $600 billion a year. If we are a $14 trillion economy growing at 3%, we grow by $420 billion a year. In this close to reality example, China is closing the gap at $180 billion a year. At this rate - it will take China 44 years to even match the US in GDP.

This is false. This 180 billion per year is only true of the snapshot instant in time where he got these numbers. In order for the 180 billion per year figure to continue to be true, either China's GDP would have to drop by a small percentage every year or the GDP in the USA would have to increase by a slight percentage every year. In just the second iteration of that calculation, China gains 205 billion on the US.  It is true that the math doesn't lie, but the same cannot be said for the author.

 

He seems to say that all of the doom and gloom can't happen because it's impossible, which is circular reasoning. It kind of seemed like a load of crap to me. However, that is just one opinion, kind of like the article.

He may be right, who knows, maybe the ponzi will go on forever. However, his arguments have not convinced me that such is the case.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 12:18 | 934948 palmereldritch
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Most addicts have enablers worse than the cause of the addiction.  He is possibly selling to a large and burgeoning market addicted to the ponzi.  The drug business like all sensory control mechanisms hinge on distribution.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:48 | 934858 Ms. Erable
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Read it. Too bad the author's normalcy bias prevents him from seeing current events unfolding in front of his eyes. Fail.

Lowlight (paraphrasing): 'global fiat can't/won't fail because it's never failed before, being new and all'.

Riiiiiiight... and did you kiss your Bernokio poster when you entered your cubicle this morning?

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:18 | 934737 SashaBelov
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Real question is, are riots going to spread to next countries. If it is true, than I guess my eem and es put options won't finish worthless.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:19 | 934743 entendance
Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:20 | 934746 ShankyS
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I hope everyone here is taking notes (I promise our government is). Like a real time case study. We'll look just like that within 9 months is my best guess.

Radio Zero returns on ham radios bitchez!

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 13:46 | 935362 OuaisBla
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Oil is down big time on that very moment. This mean only one thing IMO. Peace will be restored soon in Egypt (ie Mubarak will finish its mandate probably). 

Nat gas is starting a run up also. Not related at all to Egypt. Its just that I'm tracking UNG and the Intraday Charts looks good.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:21 | 934750 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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When your President / Dictator's name is Hose-me, what did you really think would happen?

He'll be out eventually unless he does a Mugabe ... When you are in your 80s and have ruled by imperium for decades, what do you really have to lose except a tarnished legacy? The blood of innocents will be shed before that is allowed to happen.

Fri, 02/04/2011 - 11:21 | 934754 bankonzhongguo
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These protesters have to get away from this Tahrir square and walk down to the Presidential Palace and the Interior Ministry - "the Bastille" and overwhelm the army like a wave of zombies and burn the mothers down.

The unseen clerics in the background understand this is the first inning of a double header.  No doubt the Mubarak/Obama regime will round up a ton of trouble makers, but a lot of "normal" folks will be questioning government authority - the US - forever and always going forward.

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