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The inaugural GOP presidential debate will begin shortly in New Hampshire. The sevan candidates who will be exchanging shots over all sorts of irrelevant matters will be Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Ron Paul, Tim Pawlenty, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. For those who are not watching the Stanley Cup which is concurrent with this game show, this muppet spectacle should provide for at least an hour of delightful entertainment.

Watch the CNN stream below live.

And for a parallel view showing the collocated audience reaction at any given nanomoment, below is a separate feed with a reaction feed (red is republican, yellow is indepdenent):

 

 

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Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:02 | 1366296 ZeroPower
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Would watch it, but will be paying attention to the Canucks bringing home the cup!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:05 | 1366425 Arkadaba
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Oh please no. I'm a proud Canadian but rooting for the Bruins. And they are kicking!!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:16 | 1366658 ZeroPower
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Ouch. Home-ice advantage indeed.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1366441 Bay of Pigs
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That's pretty funny considering they're getting blown out again. Two clown shows going on at once.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:04 | 1366602 Bananamerican
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in summary...

"My fellow Americans. As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball. But tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!"

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 07:26 | 1367207 tarsubil
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Oh, when The Simpsons was funny...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:07 | 1366309 topcallingtroll
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I don't know how anyone could say there is not a difference between tea party republicans and socialist democrats.

Tea party republicans forced the retirement or defeated incumbent republicans in primaries who had voted for the bailouts.

Only a minority of republicans voted for the bailouts.  The democrats were the ones who managed to get this passed, although it started under Bush.

 

The tea party wants to cut taxes and shrink the federal government. 

the tea party wants to end a lot of transfer payments and turn medicare into a voucher program.  this is the only way to save money short of complete government takeover and micromanagement (assuming that medicare continues in some form or another.  the easiest way to save money on medicare is just to end it.).

How many democrats want to cut taxes and curb entitlements?

the only people who try to convince us there is no difference between the parties are the socialists.  that is how they hide their socialism.  they say it is not republican versus democrat, but rich versus poor.  However I fear their definition of rich.  It starts at 250,000 annual family income.  Such a definition of rich is clearly big government socialism in disguise.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:13 | 1366316 Long-John-Silver
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The TEA Party should be replaced by a Guillotine Party. This would be the only way to bring about real "change".

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:12 | 1366323 topcallingtroll
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I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:52 | 1366588 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Where's "facsist redneck" when you want him?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:13 | 1366641 jeff montanye
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not sure but here's "fascist multicultural law review editor." http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:46 | 1366923 Monedas
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Need a space or two between " and :      http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1366426 Yes_Questions
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At one point, earlier in its conception, the "TEA Party" was on trajectory to be the Guillotine Party.  Corporate money, ever sensitive to the public's real mood, killed that quickly. 

By installing itself as the primary underwriter of this little, noise making clique, American corporatocracy quickly dispatched the TP to the custody of the republican party.

Sad, really. 

 

 

 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:19 | 1366893 bigkahuna
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Some of the republicon party was dispatched to the Libertarian Party.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:28 | 1366904 snowball777
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I think you've put your cart before Dick Armey's horse.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1366321 Pepe
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nonsense cyborg

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:17 | 1366329 topcallingtroll
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I would say you are a socialist pretending not to be if:

You believe rich starts at 250,000.

You believe that so called rich (250,000 annual family income) are not paying enough taxes

You want to divide up the money in the economy more "fairly"

You believe that if the government just had more money it could solve a bunch of our social problems.

 

How many of those above fit you?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:25 | 1366347 ebworthen
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Tea Party versus Socialists

Left versus Right

Old Hat. 

It doesn't matter. 

You could spend 20 years, the rest of your life, supporting the "Tea Party" or the old line "Donkey" party and both sides will sell you out.

Politics is theater.  I could avoid the show but the actors are lawyers who take influence bribes and impose tyrranny.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:34 | 1366368 Vic Vinegar
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+ a billion, trillion and whatever number comes after that.

People bag on Hollywood but at least those actors & actresses are talented, entertaining and pleasant to look at. 

Not only are politicians bad actors and hard on the eyes, but they give legitimacy to a construct that is detrimental to your well being.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:30 | 1366540 Ben Fleeced
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Washington is Hollywood for ugly people.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:19 | 1366895 bigkahuna
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it is also the gateway to hades - thats why persephone is atop the capitol.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 01:02 | 1366938 akak
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Oh, I thought it was Eleanor Roosevelt.

Isn't that why they put that statue on top of the Capitol building --- so nobody would have to look at it too closely, and possibly be turned into stone?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:51 | 1366720 jeff montanye
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imo most of the so called rich (quarter mil family income) are probably paying enough in taxes.  who are not paying enough in taxes, statistically, are the absolutely don't doubt it for a second rich (several mil). (but see the excellent "bonfire of the vanities" on how a million a year can leave you poor.) 

the difference is at the higher level wages aren't as important a source of income as the far more favorably taxed capital gains (real or spurious).  or the just getting the money tax free when the estate or trust activates (all taxable capital gains having been wiped out at date of death under long standing tax law).

p.s. obama signed the nicest-to-the-rich estate tax law in recent history (he's such a socialist): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estate_tax_in_the_United_States 

 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:15 | 1366888 mophead
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You suffer from class envy. Why does a mother or father work hard? You don't suppose it's to provide for their children? And so when you pass down the family business and/or assets you're expected to pay half to the IRS? That's fair? And what happens in the case where the siblings help build a family fortune, all the while paying income taxes only to end up paying again, a second time when a trust is created or assets are split up. The estate tax is double taxation, plain and simple.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:43 | 1366840 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ top,

Someone once said: "There's not a dime's worth of difference." (I forget who, Will Rogers maybe).

My stand: yes there is a difference.  At least 12 cents.  Maybe even a quarter (there has been inflation since then).

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:25 | 1366336 Dr. Acula
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"The tea party wants to cut taxes and shrink the federal government."

AFAIK these guys want to use socialist child concentration camps to teach the Constitution, and they want to use coercion to prevent Americans from peacefully engaging in free trade with Mexican laborers.

SSDD - Same socialism, different designation.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1366388 jmc8888
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ROFL tea party is wrong ideology trumpeted by banksters.

End medicare = millions of seniors to rot to death (how is this better than even a bankster approach??? it isn't)

Voucher program = you're fucked after each voucher is used on tests.  Oh none left for the actual surgery or after care?

Tea Party is a farce and won't lead nowhere but doom.

Real americans who want to save america, aren't fooled by empty dangerous rhetoric. 

What we need is Glass-Steagall, not throwing people to the wolves.

Might as well be a bankster if throwing people to the wolves is your style.

End the fed, End the bailouts, Stop the fraud in the system, no free trade, etc, etc.  You don't need to be corporate tea party for that one.

Besides, socialist is a bankster monetary ideology.  Let the banksters do what they want, and then poor more printed money and give it to the poor.

There's a better way, and it starts with not allowing banksters to control the debate from a bankster ideology position.....Bankster Keynesian vs Bankster Austrian.

Cutting taxes is about the structure...get rid of the banksters and I can see people get more AND people are taxed less. 

Glass-Steagall

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:56 | 1366420 Hugh G Rection
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I think a lot of the initial teaparty momentum was real grassroots dissent. It just got hijacked by establishment fuckheads.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1366447 PuppetRepubl1c
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agreed the tea party had real momentum and was grassroots when it was started by Ron Paul during the presidential election.  Once Obama was elected the Ron Paul movement continued to grow and expand to other like minded conservatives.  Then of course Fox News latched on to the movement knowing it was the only hope of rebuilding the republican brand after the disaster that was the Bush Administration.

 

It remains to be seen if the same strategy will be replayed on the other side of the aisle after the disaster that is the Obama administration!

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:01 | 1366608 mchadellis
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Yes. The liberal mob capability showed itself in Wisconsin. If the TeaParty gets what they are voting for, chaos insues and civil war is a very real possibility. Those same Ron Paul revolutionaries were protesting union protesters in Madison. Get ready folks, the proverbial fork in road is upon us. Can we unite against the top 1%  banker criminial class or will they divide and conquer us AGAIN. Will we be so stupid as to bicker ourselves into capitulation? Can blue and red turn purple and win a fucking war that has been waged on 99% of mankind? Will this turn into a genX vs. babyboomers? Let em starve I guess. They are the ones who jacked up the credit card. Fuck that. I aint payin. Off the grid and out of the system. What taxes? I am Jack's tax return. I get filed, I kill Jack.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 04:35 | 1367108 Voluntary Exchange
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@jmc8888:

"Bankster Austrian" ????????????????????

You poor ignorant fool!

Read, study and otherwise understand:  Everything written by Ludwig Von Mises ("Austrian" economist), Murry Rothbard ("Austrian" economist and free market society advocate), and Hans-Hermann Hoppe ("Austrian" economist and free market society advocate). 

Then digest material from

http://mises.org/

http://www.lewrockwell.com

http://mises.org/about/3249

http://mises.org/literature.aspx?action=author&Id=299

http://www.hanshoppe.com/

 

Then as further penance read, watch, or otherwise comprehend the following:

 

To get a pespective on the history of the "state" you can check out:

"Hoppe on the Impracticality of One_World Government ..."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/wile13.1.html

"People Of The Lie: The Psychopathology Of The “Public Servant” And The Sociopathology Of The State"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-people-lie-psychopathology-%...

"Positively Wrong: Positivism, That Is"
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-positively-wrong-positivism

"The Governance Of A Free Society"
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-governance-free-society

"Non-Aggression Principle"
http://agorism.info/non-aggression_principle

"Sunset of the State" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCEXtpTNYU

"On the Edge W M Keiser, Voluntarism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKyutB3u2bM

"Statism is Dead - The Matrix" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P772Eb63qIY&feature=channel

"Statism is Dead - Free Range Humans" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rvMwSlAu0&feature=channel

"Statism is Dead -Terrorism" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IRbwpc2XV4&feature=channel

"The Story of Your Enslavement" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

"I'm Allowed to rob you!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE

"State or Private Law Society" - http://www.lewrockwell.com/hoppe/hoppe26.1.html

"No Treason, No. 1"
http://lysanderspooner.org/node/44

http://pixel420.com/pixel420/stateless/

"Disproving the State" - http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux4.html

"A Virus of the Mind" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suNzxthcTJs

http://www.libertarianstandard.com/articles/david-j-heinrich/justice-for...

"The Story of Our Unenslavement" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyogKiXhEA

"The Myth of the Rule of Law" - http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

Ireland:

"Property Rights in Celtic Irish Law"
http://mises.org/journals/jls/1_2/1_2_1.pdf

"Brehon Law: a Pragmatic System Based on Property Rights" http://irishlibertyforum.org/researched-articles/82-brehon-law.html

"Irish History - Brehon Law - Part 1 of 11"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN52LnC020g&feature=player_embedded

"Stateless Societies: Ancient Ireland"
http://mises.org/journals/lf/1971/1971_04.pdf (pg. 3)

http://polycentricorder.blogspot.com/2009/01/anarchic-ireland-rough-draf...

"The Love Police"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDh0Cvsw9Jk&feature=related

Somalia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtGkTRnocZI&playnext=1&list=PL522B9A4D503...
http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

on free markets

"Free Market Myths Debunked!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOBD6v8g1F4

 

 

After all that if you have a mind that works, maybe then you will have cured yourself of your affliction!

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1366464 Everybodys All ...
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The tea party is not the problem.They have been against the bankster bs and in fact Rick Santelli would tell you the birth of the party came from the bailouts. But apparently you forgot.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:10 | 1366466 Dr. Acula
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"End medicare = millions of seniors to rot to death"

Keep medicare = millions of iatrogenic deaths from soviet-style medicine and an ever-expanding government black hole that engulfs the economy. Also, immoral acts of robbery and people who want to opt out being caged or shot.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:25 | 1366521 jmc8888
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Two different things.  You see what we have is a false debate

Bankster Keyneisan Healthcare

Bankster Austrian Healthcare

What we had up to Obamacare was neither, Obamacare decidely put it into Bankster Keynesian Healthcare

You want a clearer picture here's two things about Austrian school (no need to debunk keyneisan since we all know that here)

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16441

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16387

A good quote from the 2nd one about Austrian

"The whole purpose of the school from the beginning, was to target for destruction the American System of political economy, which had been brought to Germany by Bismarck against the bitter opposition of those two degenerate monarchies. The tactic was a simple one, the same in use today: to falsely identify the American System of Alexander Hamilton and Friedrich List (the latter a special hate object), with the socialism of Saint-Simon, Hegel and Karl Marx. Once the British and their Habsburg satellites turned against Hitler, the equation was extended to equate the American System with "fascism" as well as "communism," as in Friedrich von Hayek's book, The Road to Serfdom, which Rand Paul periodically, worshipfully rereads."

The America System is not Keyneisan or Austrian...and neither of those monetarist schools of non-thought hold a candle to the true American System this country once had.

It also fucks up the debate so it is important to know the difference, and not follow into the same predictable traps. 

I am not defending the Bankster Keyneisan Obamacare.  I'm just saying we don't need Bankster Austrian Vouchercare.  Both are idiotic, and only 'necessary' due to the bullshit fraudulent debt that has been foisted upon us.  Which can be cancelled via Glass-Steagall.

Why pay off fraud? In a real America, we can decide that we won't.  Did anyone hear what idiot bachman said? The #1 thing we should pay is our debt payments.  Fraudulent debt doesn't matter, just pay it off I guess.  What else could Bachmann mean? Unless you separate the two you are just guaranteeing to honor fraud.

I don't expect anymore truth from any future democratic debate as well.  We have two bankster debates....democrats = Bankster Keynesian debates and republicans = Bankster Austrian debates.  Both are inherently anti-american viewpoints.

And again, any debate without Glass-Steagall is pissing in the wind.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:45 | 1366558 acabrer
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Very wonderful to read someone else gets this.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:05 | 1366605 G. Marx
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Umm, hey, ignorant one. Try cracking open a book written by an Austrian economist. You'll soon discover that the term "Austrian Vouchercare" is a contradiction. No such animal exist. Maybe "Supply-side Vouchercare", but not Austrian.

You know, when being a critic it's best to have read what was written by those you criticise and not shaping your criticism on the view of critics (they can be wrong or attempting to take advantage of your ignorance, which seems to be the case here). Such an approach is intellectually dishonest and lazy.

To reference the fascist LaRouche is enough in and of itself to discredit you, but you're at least honest enough to admit the source of your ideas, so I'll give you that much.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:17 | 1366664 citizen2084
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+1

Yeah right "Austrian vouchercare". 

Well... as long if the voucher was a private instrument agreed between two parties, and no one was forced to use, and it was not funded by force, then yes there may something that one could describe as Austrian voucher.  

If the voucher is a govt instrument forced upon anyone (use or accept) and funded by force - then no it could never be considered in anyway to be part of that economic school thought.

Ciao

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:37 | 1366704 G. Marx
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You tell me which version he meant? Did you read his LaRouche links? If you did, you'd know.

I'll ask, under what Austrian system would such a voucher system arise? Maybe a wealthy individual seeking to help out needy individuals? In such a situation, could that model ever become large enough to be a national system for all? I have my doubts. And again, I've never read any such system being advocated by an Austrian economist. He shouldn't confuse Austrians and Supply-siders. The fact he does is telling. And given LaRouche mixes the two, clearly shows he's trying to misinform and misdirect because I know that LaRouche knows the difference between the two schools.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 03:21 | 1367079 Voluntary Exchange
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+1  Getting tired of ignorant people trying to use "Austrian" almost as if they were being paid to distort the meaning. 

Bankers would hate "Austrian" - with such features as free market justice, and no such thing as limited liability,  no government mandated paper money, only free market money with people free to reject the  bad bankers paper money, and reward the few honest bankers that might come into existence if the bankers had to honor their notes 100% for species (gold/silver) redemption as a free market in money would again move to such an honest system. Then the bankers would face personal family liability if they defaulted and would have no government monopoly justice system to rig the game their way.

It has always been government that the bankers could buy  like the Hamiltonians did from the start in America.   And the British bank of England system also was a creature of captured government that protected the super thief.

What is this ridiculous worship of "Glass-Steagall"?    It is a product of a monopoly justice-adjudication system. I prefer free market justice with no way for the murders, frauds, and thieves to rig the system with monopoly government to thus evade justice and  restitution for their huge crimes. 

 

What is this worship of the Constitution?  "Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes..." - that is what you need to know about the Constitution - it is an organized crime syndicate!  The people of America won their independence fighting for the principle that people are endowed with the right to choose to obtain security and justice services (what most call "government")  through consent.  That means contractual security and adjudication. That means voluntary exchanges ONLY - not imposing a tax against someones free will at the point of a gun (and getting wealth destroying  monopoly "service" in the process).

 

What is this worship of Ron Paul?  Please understand, I think he is a decent man. He remains the only politician I have ever given a donation to in my entire life. But if finally dawned on me.  The US government and all governments on this planet are organized crime syndicates. Do you expect to eliminate systemic crime by getting a decent person to head up the mafia?  This US mafia (government) serves those of criminal intent, not those who wish to create wealth and human well being through voluntary exchanges. Best case, if Ron Paul was not murdered or otherwise neutralized (which would be a miracle in itself) it might give you 4-8 years of arrested development of tyranny but the mafia does not exist to "serve the people". It exists to serve the criminals.

 

I suggest we reboot America back to 1776 and learn again what consent means and only work with a system of voluntary exchanges with free market adjudication and free market defense/security. Then America truly would be a domain of freedom that could stand as a shining example that could inspire the rest of the world so that people could finally free themselves from the parasites and predators that infest "governments" all over this planet!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:07 | 1366762 jaffi
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Wow, now that is funny.  First, you state that the American System of Hamilton is anything different than socializing the monetary system under a central bank.  You apparently do not know the Hamiltonian system is merely the English system brought to America, there's nothing new or "American" about it.  Then you state that Austrians support a voucher healthcare system, which is a completely erroneous assertion.  You also state that the Austrian school is "monetarist", when in fact it is the Chicago School that is "monetarist".  I take it that you have never read any economic treatises, let alone any Austrian literature.  

I took a look at your links, and they are just as idiotic and misinformed as you are (which explains a lot).  Not only are both links entirely unsourced, but they also make claims that are almost the exact opposite of the facts.  I also find it funny that you're trying to equate Lincoln's greenback (which was actually Bizmarck's idea, not the other way around) with Hamilton's English banking system- the have nothing in common other than that they are backed by government debt.

Dude, you really need to actually do some real research and/or read the Austrian literature rather than listening to unsourced web propaganda.  You're just making yourself look foolish and uneducated.  

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:26 | 1366788 i-dog
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It's all Hegelian dialectic.

End the Feds (both FRB and Fed.gov)!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:06 | 1366613 Astrolabe
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1. gee, how does germany manage, what with it's socialist medicine?

2. the tea pary opposed the bailout. hahahaha. the only thing they would be allowed to succeed at is austerity for the proles - never for TBTB. get it?

 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 18:44 | 1369214 anony
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1) Here's your answer--thank me later

The United States' population hasn't been the size Germany's, currently, since 1860.

2) the diversity of people in the United States is unequaled anywhere in the world--as such, we don't give a crap about most of the people who are here, particklelerly new immigrants, legal and illegal, and in fact don't much care about each other

3) we are spread out over a land mass 10 times the size of Germany.

4) Size MATTERS!!!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:08 | 1366630 G. Marx
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Ahh, yet another ignorant rant. There is no such thing as "Bankster Austrian" as those who are devotees of the Austrian school, believe either in "free banking" (look it up, today starts your self-education) or a gold standard. Austrians do not believe in a central banking model. Of course you'd have known that if you had actually read a book by von Mises, Hayek or Rothbard, you obviously haven't (and probably never will, I'm guessing that big words confuse you?). It's obvious you're nothing but a mindless shill for the brown-shirt LaRouche.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:12 | 1366780 jaffi
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It is funny that he calls the Austrians banskers, but then in the next breath he supports the Hamiltonian banking system which is nothing more than the English banking system (i.e. private central banking).  This cat is really confused and apparently hasn't even taken the time to read any economic works, let alone Austrian literature.  Also, did you notice that there was not one single citation in those LeRouche articles?  Not a single one.  It's funny how people will believe anything that they read, even if it is unsourced.  

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:43 | 1366391 PuppetRepubl1c
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@topcallingtroll 

 

"Only a minority of republicans voted for the bailouts. "

 

FAIL, you lose for revisionist history

behold the Senate vote count for the bailout signed by George Bush in Oct 2008 (40/51 Democrats vote yes and 34/49 Republicans)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00212#top


however if you remember your history you will know the few republicans who voted against it only did so because they had "cover" from their fellow yea voting members.  They knew the bill would pass without them, thus letting candidates in contentious districts throw their constituents a bone even though they would have voted for it if their party had required it.  

 

If you follow politics in the US you will notice this "cover" system of "dissenting votes" is strategically used to protect memebers in contentious districts while at the same time guaranteeing whatever bill at issue is still passed.

 


 


Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:03 | 1366458 jeff montanye
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thank you.  

there are anti-authoritarians in the republican party (and in the democratic party).  just not enough, apparently.  yet.  

anyone who thinks obama is significantly more socialist than bush is not paying attention.  they are both crony capitalist fascists.  

ron paul '12 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1366463 lawrence1
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Agree.  Remember, most republicans reserve the right to create facts, revise or forget history.  End justifies the means, and be meaner than hell.  And democrats, ¨Let us not dither our of fear, but let us not fear to dither.¨

But both parties are bought, making democracy a farce, but most republicans are mean whores.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 07:18 | 1367198 topcallingtroll
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So you agree there is a difference!

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 07:15 | 1367196 topcallingtroll
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I was refering to the house vote.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:58 | 1366422 Everybodys All ...
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Well stated.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:08 | 1366628 your neighbor
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Book of Mormon won big yesterday. hmmm...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:37 | 1366712 W T Effington
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You should care not what they say but watch what they do. Unfortunately both parties govern the same way. I challenge you to explain how Obama has governed differently than Bush. Or Bush from Clinton or Clinton from Bush or Bush from Reagan. Governement always grows until there is a revolution. That time will come.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:32 | 1366822 Spastica Rex
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derp

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:08 | 1366311 Long-John-Silver
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No reason to watch because it's SSDD. Same Shit Different Day.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1366318 TheGoodDoctor
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Is this only on online? Or is it on CNN?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:13 | 1366326 equity_momo
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muppet spectacle

 

That sums up American , nay Western , politics in 2 words. Fuck, it pretty much sums up global politics. This NWO bizness- It's already here , no?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:18 | 1366333 ebworthen
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Wake me up when the revolution starts.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:48 | 1366397 scratch_and_sniff
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So you can get out of bed and hide under it?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:16 | 1366335 swissaustrian
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A few marionettes...

and one true patriot RON PAUL.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:24 | 1366353 Jack Mehoff
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Yeah, the problem is that he is just way too smart for America. I mean, he is dropping Keynes on the first economic question. That's a shame though, he is one of the good guys.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:41 | 1366375 Arius
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good point...who is Keynes?  did he started mcdonalds? i recall the comment at the end of the mcdonalds documentary: M is more popular than the Christian cross....ohh well...this is amerika and this time is different...we are exceptionalllll....thats what Ron Paul should say...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:58 | 1366411 Vic Vinegar
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Well done. 

Not unlike others I spend a lot of time thinking about Ron Paul, more so than even Kate Upton.  Is he the liberty-loving, constitutional republic-respecting, honest money-understanding man he appears to be?  Or is he controlled opposition, advised by a Bilderberger? (h/t Attila the Wimp)

I guess we’ll find out if he is ever allowed to become president and then allowed to live. 

Time to go back to thinking about Kate Upton…

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:18 | 1366492 jeff montanye
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i don't know if the prior is well done or not (i don't think i understand it).  but your point is exceptionally well taken.  

is ron paul even half of what he appears?  don't know.  but he has been marginalized and ignored and lied about, even by putatively republican party mouthpieces like fox news to make me almost willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.  

obama may have killed the last bits of belief in the possibility of reform by the singularly epic, truly galactic lies he told on the campaign trail.  given the mendacity that preceded him since voting began, he should become a word, like gerrymander or ponzi.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:19 | 1366512 Vic Vinegar
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Yup.  I came to this site an indifferent libertarian and am going to leave as a cynical anarchist. 

That said, one must vote for Ron Paul if they get the chance.  It's worth the chance.

The comments above will not make for a good campaign ad, fwiw. :-)

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:55 | 1366562 Arius
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j montanye - the idea is: in a country where might be possible to even think the symbol of a company (even Mcdonald's M) is more famous than the Christian Cross of thousands of years of world history, there is no point of quoting Keynes in your first sentence....no offense but it is what it is...thats why the politicians keep saying we are exceptional....people believe it....yeah right we are Marsians...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:09 | 1366633 Astrolabe
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"obama may have killed the last bits of belief in the possibility of reform"

that's exactly what i think his satanic legacy will be. we were had on such an epic scale, those of us who actually believed in the man.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:32 | 1366909 Clinteastwood
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you admit that you actually believed in obama?  Good grief.  you probably ought to get a different avatar and never admit that again.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:27 | 1366522 tmosley
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Hard to control opposition 30 years before you need it, and 25 years before you think you'll need it.

If Ron Paul is killed, there will be blood in the streets on a massive scale.  Guaranteed.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:30 | 1366541 Vic Vinegar
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As I kick it in Manhattan today, I don't see any chance of blood in the streets in said scenario.  Peeps are going to carry along with their meaningless bullshit as they always do.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:05 | 1366607 tmosley
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They won't be the ones spilling the blood.  Rather, more likely, theirs is the blood that will be spent, especially in the financial district.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:51 | 1366578 A Nanny Moose
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I guess we’ll find out if he is ever allowed to become president and then allowed to live. 

Indeed. To add, that the bus is still moving, but the wheels have come off. Not sure I would vote for RP at this point. I would not wish the destruction to come, on him, and more blame on the free market.

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 01:51 | 1366987 shesalive
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but he's so cute and grandfatherly. i've had a good feeling about him for 4 yrs. i think he is the real deal.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:12 | 1366473 lawrence1
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Yes, the one true patriot and Ill bet they do their best to marginalize him.

Hey, he´s not tall and good looking, so thats two strikes against him. He should wear platform shoes and act disdainfully, treating others like the stupid whoring shits they are.

 

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:50 | 1366580 swissaustrian
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I´m not even an american, but i think it´s a moral obligation to support that guy.

Even if he isn´t likely to get the nomination, every informed individual should support him. Then you can at least say: I did what i could.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:00 | 1366597 brew
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cnn has marginalized nm governor gary johnson more...didn't even get invited to this talking head convention.  johnson, like paul, would be a great choice for the job.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:17 | 1366337 breezer1
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funny...

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:22 | 1366341 Stoploss
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No thanks, i'll pass. Trying to cut down on the bullshit.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:19 | 1366342 JW n FL
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ignorance is bliss!

 

stupidity is heaven!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:49 | 1366400 Yes_Questions
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"Kid, life's hard. But it's harder if you're stupid"

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:19 | 1366344 walküre
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Why on earth should anyone care?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:26 | 1366349 Vuvuzela
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Democrats republicans same shit different color

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:26 | 1366350 lizzy36
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GO CANUCKS GO!!!!!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:28 | 1366354 Blano
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Is the hockey game live online somewhere??

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:27 | 1366360 Atomizer
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The two party system facade is frantically trying to continue dividing the masses. Its too early to bother over candidates.

Focus on US debt ceiling, health-care, QE3, and if China will continue buying US debt. These are more important issues to follow. If you like distractions, carry on with this debate.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:10 | 1366477 King_of_simpletons
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Watch how they all talk about things that *YOU* want to hear. Das my man, Yo !

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:31 | 1366363 Eireann go Brach
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Like watching the fucking muppert show!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:44 | 1366387 Yes_Questions
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+1.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:33 | 1366370 jmc8888
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A bunch of dipshits who are vying to be the banksters backed republican 'choice' for America.

I'll probably turn it on for shits and giggles though, hearing their lunacy always makes me laugh or is that cry??

Don't worry, the same goes for the other side too, 'bankster controlled democrat choice' they just don't have a pointless debate on tonight.

A debate without Glass-Steagall is a farce of a debate.

Oh Ron Paul will be there, ok, so 1 guy with some good ideas (along with some bad ones) amidst a sea of dipshits and magical underwear.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:19 | 1366494 RacerX
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+1 Right on.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:37 | 1366373 Caveman93
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Cain / Paul Ticket would be sweet!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1366383 TheJudge2012
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NO!!! Herman Cain is a Federal Reserve insider. The msm who praised him forgot to mention that. Listen to him denounce Ron Paul's Federal Reserve Audit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAkeFJXwUk&feature=channel_video_title

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 07:49 | 1367236 tarsubil
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Haha! I knew it! I once heard his radio show here in the ATL one night not too long ago. The guy reminded me of Sean Hannity. Just a total shill trying to say what you want to hear. He is going to be as manufactured as Obama. What a joke. How long can they continue the lie?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:47 | 1366394 swissaustrian
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Herman Cain:

- was Chairman of the Kansas City FED

- had his little enronesque disaster: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012

- supported TARP

- praised Bush for his economic policies

- is an islamophobic

- supports waterboarding

Why should Ron Paul run with such a jerk?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:53 | 1366408 TheJudge2012
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Thank you.  If we can only get that thru to Peter Schiff who's whining he was called a racist when he criticized Obama so now he needs to support a black candidate so he can't be called a racist.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:02 | 1366439 swissaustrian
Tue, 06/14/2011 - 12:43 | 1368019 PuppetRepubl1c
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Thanks for the info, I knew i didn't trust him.  More knowledge is always better.

 

Ironically his Islamophobia played very well in the CNN debate, i suspect most Americans  feel similarly and aren't willing to defend muslims publicly (even though most Americans support freedom of religion).  But i can't blame them because i think Islam is a scourge upon mankind and while i respect a person's right to choose that religion i immediately lose respect for them once they do.  :P

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:53 | 1366409 penisouraus erecti
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+333......maybe

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:33 | 1366374 10044
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i'll just wait for the ron paul segments to be broadcast later on some utube channel, the rest can go f themselves.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:53 | 1366407 penisouraus erecti
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+666

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:40 | 1366377 lizzy36
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Think a Michele Bachmann sexting scandal would probably help her campaign.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:23 | 1366514 Howard_Beale
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She should just put out a sex tape and get a reality show given that's about all the reality she knows.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:25 | 1366528 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I imagine when the sun goes down the devil has Sarah on his right and Michele on his other right.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:02 | 1366611 cosmictrainwreck
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street cred, too...since she's sssoooo HOT. well, I think she's kinda cute, in a Nancy Pelosi-ish way, ya know?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:30 | 1366816 gall batter
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First, she'd have to do something about those cankles. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:39 | 1366381 Yes_Questions
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Gather Round your SNAP funded TV dinners folks, its the Muppet Show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-_QLNkh-zI

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:42 | 1366716 dark pools of soros
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you'd have to think the bread and circuses of old were a lot better than this over processed crap

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:29 | 1366821 Rusty Shorts
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 - the bread and circuses of old were kinda of tough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1nMC6kLOYA

 

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1366392 Kokulakai
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"It's a fallacy to think politicians are smart enough to manage the economy". Ron Paul

Hear, Hear.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:47 | 1366402 swissaustrian
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He has been saying this for 30+ years

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:55 | 1366418 Howard_Beale
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Meanwhile his son Rand "Jethro" Paul is busy inserting his foot in his mouth yet again calling for imprisonment for "radical speech" attendees. That's right--prison for just attending. And who is defining radical? He is. Anyone talking about overthrowing the government included. Time for Rand to go to Constitution class.

Better shut Jethro up, Ron.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:03 | 1366446 Goofy Bastard
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The more I hear Rand Paul speak, the more disappointed I become. 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:22 | 1366520 Howard_Beale
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Ahhh, your first mistake grasshopper goofy was to have any faith in him at all.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:07 | 1366760 Libertarians fo...
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One of my favorite Rand Paul moments is when he campaigned for congressional term limits to purge Washington of "career politicians," which obviously was a direct, kill-shot at his own father's career.

LOL

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:28 | 1366808 jaffi
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It was a killshot at his father's political career, not his career per se.  Remember, Ron actually worked as a doctor for most of his life and ran a private practice (longer than he has been in Congress), and continued to deliver children in his district while he was a member of Congress.  To be honest, he could probably retire any time he wishes even though he does not participate in the Congressional Pension plan or the Congressional Medical plan.  

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:51 | 1366583 cosmictrainwreck
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"Jethro" hahhahaha ROFL.... good one!

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1366423 Goofy Bastard
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It's a shame he's as old as he is now, his time is coming and he's going to be too old or dead to come through on it.  Hope someone comes up to fill his shoes fast because when shit does hit the fan, we need something to fill that power vacuum that is closer to Ron Paul than Mussolini.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:52 | 1366415 Monedas
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I like the way Newt shit on NASA !

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:52 | 1366416 bob_dabolina
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I like Ron Paul and Michele Bachman. 

Herman Cains is alright as well. 

The other ones are just hard to watch.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:57 | 1366434 Conrad Murray
Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1366449 bob_dabolina
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Woops. 

Serves me right for not researching the canidate. I never really took him seriously enough to investigate further, but that clip was enough for me to change my mind forever. 

....it was rife with Bushisms as well, at first I thought it was a spoof. 

Thanks for the link.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1366442 TheJudge2012
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Herman Cain rails against Ron Paul's Federal Reserve audit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiAkeFJXwUk&feature=channel_video_title

From another's comment:

Herman Cain:

- was Chairman of the Kansas City FED

- had his little enronesque disaster: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-aquila-lawsuit-2012

- supported TARP

- praised Bush for his economic policies

- is an islamophobic

- supports waterboarding

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:06 | 1366456 bob_dabolina
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Yea, I just found that out. 

If Herman Cains slit his wrists and assumed room temperature I wouldn't be faded in the least.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:05 | 1366454 swissaustrian
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Bachman: I support Israel, because otherwise god will curse us.

And she worked as an attorney for the IRS...

no, thx

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:12 | 1366465 bob_dabolina
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eh, that's not so bad. It's practically impossible to get a perfect candidate these days. Her political sins seem forgivable...at least to me.

I'm die hard Ron Paul and donate money/spread the good word. 

But I would take Bachman if Ron Paul didn't get it over the rest of those shit stains.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:19 | 1366497 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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No President/No Dictator '12

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:49 | 1366572 lizzy36
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Please Bachmann:

Bachmann supports the teaching of intelligent design in public school science classes.[110] During a 2003 interview on the KKMS Christian radio program Talk The Walk, Bachmann said that evolution is a theory that has never been proven one way or the other.[111] She co-authored a bill [that received no additional endorsement among her fellow legislators] that would require public schools to include alternative explanations for the origin of life as part of the state's public school science curricula.[112]In October 2006, Bachmann told a debate audience in St. Cloud, Minnesota "there is a controversy among scientists about whether evolution is a fact or not..

If you don't believe in evolution you should be working at Starbucks. Sorry zero tolerance, for lack of basic understanding of science.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:24 | 1366634 bob_dabolina
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George Washington was an Episcopalian and a highly admired leader of our country. He was admired so much, in fact, that there was a large following whom wanted him to be King (which he graciously was disinclined to accept) But I suppose because of his lack of understanding of science you most certainly would not have been a big supporter. 

I am more interested in the political views of Bachman and her ability to lead our country than what what her belief(s) are in god. 

....Ron Paul is a Christian but I guess you won't vote for him either as he is a believer in the bible as well. 

And there is nothing wrong with offering legislation that gives people the oppourtunity to have a choice between being creationist or evolutionist. I find it more oppressive making the material unavailable in schools rather than offering it as a choice.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 23:03 | 1366753 lizzy36
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I don't care whether someone believes in the bible, the Koran, the Torah.

Public school shouldn't teach religion. Public school should teach science.

However, I am all for choice. Pro choice. My choice to decide if i want to marry another women. Choice is good.

Reality is these are side fringe issues. They distract from a country that is quickly going broke, a currency that is being debased, and exceptionalism that only lives in political rhetoric.

As Ron Paul said these are issues for the individual. And the state should mind its own business.

 

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 01:06 | 1366949 W T Effington
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Has evolution been proven?

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 02:04 | 1366999 Temporalist
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No but neither has The FSM:

http://www.venganza.org/

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 01:06 | 1366951 W T Effington
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Has evolution been proven?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:13 | 1366646 Howard_Beale
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Lizzy, that is highly insulting to Starbucks workers.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:34 | 1366698 pods
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Well the simple fact that she supports PUBLIC school is a bigger problem.

BTW, please do not use the terms "belief" and "science" in the same sentence as it kind of shows your misunderstanding of basic science.

pods

Tue, 06/14/2011 - 00:43 | 1366921 Clinteastwood
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"science" is every bit as much "belief" as "religion."  only non-scientists would make the absurd comments to the contrary on this thread.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:01 | 1366424 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Does it come with a laughtrack?

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 20:59 | 1366443 Monedas
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Watch that bitch Moderator trying to give them all the bums rush by talking a mile a minute ! He's trying to trip them up and provoke gaffs ! When he talks to Idi-O-Bama he gives him plenty of time to read the teleprompter !

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:03 | 1366444 HileTroy
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Fuck that make Troy supreme Leader

Bye bye IRS, Dept of energy dept of educatuaion

excute all of congress and senate and supreme court new bitches

gone are the lawyers politicans and bankers we start again

gold standard 

bye bye fed

and the constution would become cool again

true free markets

new term limits

Ooooo shit I guess im a domesitc terrosits

pull back our men  defend the borders

 sane emigration

and after two years of suprem leader ship i will retire to my island with sharkes with lazers

 nuff said

 

burn baby 

 

troy out

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:43 | 1366563 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Gold standard" before or after you audit Knox....and Hang Seng is tanking,,,again....oh boy China, what, you will feed your billions dollars?  heh

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:04 | 1366450 Yes_Questions
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The simple fact that these cretins are actually TRYING to be the president is evidence enough none should be at this hour of need.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:21 | 1366504 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Plato agrees

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:11 | 1366472 Seasmoke
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TERM LIMITS

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:18 | 1366486 Vic Vinegar
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If we are going to go down that road then we need to couple term limits with some Dr. Jack Kevorkian-style interventions at the end of said term limits.  The people need a higher level of assurance that these fuckers won’t sell us out in the end.  Term limits would just allow the pols to know exactly when they can expect that cush gig at Goldman Sachs or Monsanto.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:33 | 1366547 jmc8888
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Term limits are bullshit.  You just guarantee rolling thru bankster cronies faster.

It does not keep you from electing dipshits, but it DOES keep good ones from being able to run.

Also remember, during the 1st term, most don't know what the fuck they are doing.  So we'll have congressmen being rolled as they're all rookies, just so we can choose between different bankster cronies.

You need to have the knowledge to elect better people, not say as a rule we need to cycle these guys faster.

It's a debate of sophistry, that gets us no closer to actually having congressmen able to do the duty of the American people. 

Term limits would make the situation worse, not better.  Besides we need to focus on acts that will actually SOLVE the problem, not something that does nothing to address any real problem....and would make the problems worse.

Yeah, I want more Ben Quayle's in office (what a dipshit)....and people forget that without FDR (who was elected to 4 terms) we probably wouldn't of won WWII.  Term limits have no bearing on taking on banksters, and would in reality make their jobs easier....since the people they are swaying are all rookies or 2nd termers.  No thanks.  I'd rather focus on Glass-Steagall and ending the fed, NASA, mag-lev, fusion,etc.  Not this nothing solver that can actually make things worse.

 

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:16 | 1366485 Monedas
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All in all a fine group of Americans we can be proud of ! Anyone of them is an improvement over Idi-O-Bama !

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:26 | 1366517 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Have no faith, have no hope.  Johnson was worthless, a racist carpet bagger.  Nixon...you know about him.  Ford,,,we do not need to mention him really.  Carter was a pile of shit.  Reagan was an actor, and that in the puppet sense of the term.  Bush, well, now that is a long story.  Clinton was Reagan with a blue face.  Boy, George, yeah.  And Omamer, well, you know.  So I will sum it up:  it is getting worse, every step of the way.

Look, you do not need a supreme dictator to decide the fate of your freedom.  All you need is a glass of wine and some good tunes. 

Marley/Tosh '12

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:45 | 1366569 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Shit I don't know.  Maybe we should have Obama fight for it.  Does Gaddafi want to be Potus?  I will take the free health care/education/water/oil as long as he wears a suit.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 21:59 | 1366595 Vic Vinegar
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Nice.

Put on your tinfoil if need-be, but watching this episode is hard to do if you are from the Midwest (or have a conscience).  Water – like the others you mention – is only free for so long:

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=6B6D8E76B41489ACA5C1C0BC0CBE28B7

What to do?  I don’t know.  All I know is I find solace in this:

http://www.kateupton.com/

Goodnight and good luck spacemonkeys.

Mon, 06/13/2011 - 22:12 | 1366629 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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GS wanted Gadaffi's cash, the IMF wanted his gold.  BP wanted his oil, and the kicker is KO wanted his aquifer water.  Yup, corporate war all around.

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