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Every american should own a sniper rifle.
These days "sniper" means aimed fire, as opposed to a 3rd burst in the general direction of where someone might be. If you hit someone from 100 yds using a red dot, congratulations...you're a sniper.
Red dots are not used for sniping.
don't confuse them with facts. ;-)
Much cooler video of the rebels actually taking down a Gaddafi jet. From ICYMI.
Sure they are. At 100 yards you can use iron sights, and it's still sniping. We're talking about the difference between carefully aimed fire and indiscriminate bursts.
"If you hit someone from 100 yds using a red dot, congratulations...you're a sniper."
Um, no. I shoot out to 400m all the time with an Aimpoint, even with the dinky little 5.56mm round. Any distance you can shoot to with irons, you can shoot to with a red dot; irons on the M16/M4 are good to at least 500m with a basic level of competence.
Hardly anyone ever uses an M16/M4 on burst or auto, even when they have the option; it's just less effective for almost all uses past 30m or so. That's what happens when you hand a weapon like that to conscripts.
And discussions like this is what happens when people base their firearms "knowledge" on what they see in movies/TV.
Discussions like this happen when people don't read the meaning of a post and take a particular term ("sniper") too seriously. There's a profession called "sniper", and then there's the act of taking careful aim and taking down a target with a single shot..."sniping".
This all started with a comment by a Libyan rebel that there were lots of snipers in the city. Much more likely that Gaddafi's mercenaries are just taking time to aim...sniping.
Bet those guys are having fun with a license to kill and targets galore. A soldier of fortune's wet dream come true.
TnA, y'know, "sniper" usually meanz that, well, "one bullet, one <target>"--u fill in target. - Ned
Waddya mean squeezin' off rounds into the air won't kill nobody? 'Tis the Arab way...
The M91/30 is an excellent sniper rifle, and affordable, buy five they'll be excellent for trading:
(many local sporting good stores sell them for $99-$119 with no transfer fee..)
These are the most undisciplined "fighting units" I have seen - it is almost cartoonish.
They will be eaten alive.
They have no logistics infrastructure to fight against a professional army.
Picking up guns from mobbed opponents looks clever and brave, until the few magazines of ammo on that guy are gone and there are no supply lines to give you more.
These bozos are going to get steam rolled.
who are the 'good guys' again?
I would assume it is whoever the MSM says is the 'bad guys'.
I thought we had an intimate love relationship with gadaffi. Now we're supposed to support the rebels?
So This is the New World Order betraying and murdering the Old World Order i suppose.
Same shit, different century.
they went from freedom fighters to rebels in the blink of an eye ... perhaps Gaddafi agreed to let this fake civil war roll on until oil gets to $200 and cut a deal to supply Isra-hell with cheap water.
Apparently you two have never been in a warzone. They are not as you see in the movies. They are always one giant clusterfuck professional or not. Often the victor is merely less clusterfucked than the opposition. It's only been a week but don't worry both sides will get better. Gaddafi looks pretty sad to me. Libya is the ultimate tank terrain. Why he does not take a page out of Erwin Rommels playbook an have the tanks blitzing across the desert behind battle lines is beyond me.
The resource wars will be nuclear because of it.
I gotta say, I'm getting a little suspicious.
A lot of Libya vids are looking more and more staged.
I saw a dramatic loading of a guy screaming in pain into an ambulance and there wasn't any blood on him at all.
It's an absolute put-up.
There's not a major media event that is not planned, controlled and front-run by these big nosed crooks.
Al Jazeera is as Arabic as Pasta.
I am stunned by how much ammo they squander.
Seriously - 7.62x51 too. Good to see some FALs in action, though.
These guys are toast (maybe literally) if a no-fly zone gets the green. Would you trust these "good-guys" with anti-aircraft guns pointing up? Yeah, it's old and probably half range/accuracy left, but still...
Like the video said, some of the shooting, particularly the small arms, was symbolic. These are often newly recruited rebels who are being carried along by emotion. If they stopped for a few minutes and thought about what they are doing, they might go home.
Symbols and symbolic gestures are always more powerful than the actual weapons and bullets/rounds wasted. This is why governments are extremely fearful of charismatic leaders that understand how to use symbols to energize people.
Re: Martin Luther King, the Kennedy's etc. Funny how they are gunned down all the time by lone gunmen.
Lone gunman? Guns and Roses - Civil war.
D'you wear a black armbandWhen they shot the manWho said "Peace could last forever"And in my first memoriesThey shot KennedyI went numb when I learned to seeSo I never fell for VietnamWe got the wall of D.C. to remind us allThat you can't trust freedomWhen it's not in your handsWhen everybody's fightin'For their promised land
Every libyan should own toilet paper to clean the self soiling induced from their taxpaid aircraft prepping to drop bombs on them.
and make sure it's that good ole usa Charmin brand (ting!)
You shouldn't laugh they will do it here too if we ever rise up against the banksters
the bankers.. will own the goobermint.. who controls military and law enforcement.. thusly the bankers own all the red tape you can imagine..
and all those service workers will be thinking while they are gunning you down.. is that thier family is in line ahead of yours for food stamps, becuase they are a good little pet of the goobermints / bankers..
who gets the food first? the power first? trust me, they will be shooting at you..
team LEO!!! killing civilians, AGAIN! do you want me to post the 1 million videos on youtube of LEO's Gone Wild?
It will be clear within the first few days who is acting for whos own benefit.
and not until after people every where are suffering.. will everyone get involved.. more than half here live in the woods and are staying out of the way.. that should help get things done in Washington / "K" Street / Wall Street.
Quoting JW n FL / J.E.W.
>> who gets the food first? the power first? trust me, they will be shooting at you..
Enough of the government is going to shoot you disinformation. (Do "we" need to start again?) This is a financial web site. If you want to discuss guns / ammo / preps, head over to you know where and spout this rubbish.
They also need Berkey water filters too.
Gaddafi playing his part...
...the world is but a big-nosed stage.
When I was little I used to try and hit flying birds with my Daisey Red Ryder BB gun too.
bob, just wanted to let you know that your dry one-liners are much appreciated.
This is also very bullish.
Obviously - Stocks up oil down - they should blow up refineries more often
And why is the rumor that gadaffi is leaving everyday?
If he does wipe down his people, what then for Obama and team? They took a stand against him.
The Dollar needs maybe $200 a barrel to absorb the FEDs excess reserves.
Looks like its going to get it.
There she blows! Video of oil refinery hit by shelling in Libya
more work for Boots and Coots
Copper breaks support, confirning Head and Shoulders Top. Will not be pretty for Stocks PM's etc. be long the USD/CHF.
If the US supports the Libyan rebels by enforcing a no-fly zone, they will be morally obligated to support any Saudi rebels who might find themselves in the same predicament in the near-term future.
Morals? Obligations? U on droogs, boy/girl?
On Drudge yesterday, they linked footage of a goathearder looking guy who brought down a jet, with some old, brokedick anti-arcraft gun. They went to the wreckage and found the two pilots dead bodies. The papers on one showed he was Libyan, and the other showed him to be Syrian.
you have that link? would love to watch that.
Wow. Great video. Guys shooting guns in the air.
Fire discipline, bitches.
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