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Watch As Libyan Rebels Fire Machine Guns At Passing Gaddafi Planes

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A day in the life of Ras Lanuf: Rebels fire machine guns at passing Gaddafi planes overhead as reporters hug the ground to avoid getting hit by bombs. And a concise eyewitness report: "We can see the tanks. The tanks are everywhere. They have surrounded the square with snipers and
tanks. The situation is not so good. It's very scary. There are a lot
of snipers," said a Zawiyah resident."

From a Reuters correspondent, who probably wishes he was somewhere else right about now:

Rebels were pinned down by tanks and snipers in the center of Zawiyah on Wednesday as forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi closed in on their last redoubt in the western Libyan city, witnesses said.

"We can see the tanks. The tanks are everywhere," a rebel fighter told Reuters by phone from inside Zawiyah.

"They have surrounded the square with snipers and tanks. The situation is not so good. It's very scary. There are a lot of snipers," said a Zawiyah resident.

With the international community still hesitant about how to respond to the crisis in Libya, a counter-offensive by Gaddafi has halted a rebel advance in the east and left others stranded in Zawiyah and another western city, Misrata.

Rebels in the east, facing a fresh barrage of artillery fire on their desert frontline outside the oil port of Ras Lanuf, renewed an appeal for outside powers to impose a no-fly zone to at least shield them from air attacks.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made it clear, however, that imposing a no-fly zone is a matter for the United Nations and should not be a U.S.-led initiative.

Gaddafi has said he would die in Libya rather than flee. But that has failed to stem speculation on his plans.

Well, the question is not whether he will die, but what he will do in the moment just before that...

 

 

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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:28 | 1033201 66Sexy
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Every american should own a sniper rifle.

 

leverage, bitchez.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:47 | 1033270 HelluvaEngineer
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These days "sniper" means aimed fire, as opposed to a 3rd burst in the general direction of where someone might be.  If you hit someone from 100 yds using a red dot, congratulations...you're a sniper.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:55 | 1033481 Triggernometry
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Red dots are not used for sniping.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:26 | 1033582 Vergeltung
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don't confuse them with facts.  ;-)

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:51 | 1033676 TeamAmerica
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Sure they are.   At 100 yards you can use iron sights, and it's still sniping.  We're talking about the difference between carefully aimed fire and indiscriminate bursts.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:04 | 1033713 minus dog
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"If you hit someone from 100 yds using a red dot, congratulations...you're a sniper."

Um, no.  I shoot out to 400m all the time with an Aimpoint, even with the dinky little 5.56mm round.  Any distance you can shoot to with irons, you can shoot to with a red dot; irons on the M16/M4 are good to at least 500m with a basic level of competence.

Hardly anyone ever uses an M16/M4 on burst or auto, even when they have the option; it's just less effective for almost all uses past 30m or so.  That's what happens when you hand a weapon like that to conscripts.

And discussions like this is what happens when people base their firearms "knowledge" on what they see in movies/TV.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:51 | 1033846 TeamAmerica
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Discussions like this happen when people don't read the meaning of a post and take a particular term ("sniper") too seriously.    There's a profession called "sniper", and then there's the act of taking careful aim and taking down a target with a single shot..."sniping".

This all started with a comment by a Libyan rebel that there were lots of snipers in the city.  Much more likely that Gaddafi's mercenaries are just taking time to aim...sniping. 

Bet those guys are having fun with a license to kill and targets galore.   A soldier of fortune's wet dream come true.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 19:44 | 1034562 New_Meat
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TnA, y'know, "sniper" usually meanz that, well, "one bullet, one <target>"--u fill in target. - Ned

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 23:35 | 1035273 StychoKiller
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Waddya mean squeezin' off rounds into the air won't kill nobody?  'Tis the Arab way...

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 19:27 | 1034522 Shell Game
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The M91/30 is an excellent sniper rifle, and affordable, buy five they'll be excellent for trading:

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/rifles/mosin-nagant/p/mosin-naga...

(many local sporting good stores sell them for $99-$119 with no transfer fee..)

 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:29 | 1033203 THE DORK OF CORK
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These are the most undisciplined "fighting units" I have seen - it is almost cartoonish.

They will be eaten alive.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:31 | 1033212 CrashisOptimistic
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Bingo.

They have no logistics infrastructure to fight against a professional army.

Picking up guns from mobbed opponents looks clever and brave, until the few magazines of ammo on that guy are gone and there are no supply lines to give you more.

These bozos are going to get steam rolled.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:36 | 1033216 66Sexy
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who are the 'good guys' again?

I would assume it is whoever the MSM says is the 'bad guys'.

I thought we had an intimate love relationship with gadaffi. Now we're supposed to support the rebels?

So This is the New World Order betraying and murdering the Old World Order i suppose.

Same shit, different century.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:40 | 1033232 Hdawg
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they went from freedom fighters to rebels in the blink of an eye ... perhaps Gaddafi agreed to let this fake civil war roll on until oil gets to $200 and cut a deal to supply Isra-hell with cheap water.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:51 | 1033230 cowdiddly
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Apparently you two have never been in a warzone. They are not as you see in the movies. They are always one giant clusterfuck professional or not. Often the victor is merely less clusterfucked than the opposition. It's only been a week but don't worry both sides will get better. Gaddafi looks pretty sad to me. Libya is the ultimate tank terrain. Why he does not take a page out of Erwin Rommels playbook an have the tanks blitzing across the desert behind battle lines is beyond me.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:53 | 1033290 CrashisOptimistic
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Fuel supply.  

The resource wars will be nuclear because of it.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:29 | 1033206 CrashisOptimistic
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I gotta say, I'm getting a little suspicious.

A lot of Libya vids are looking more and more staged.

I saw a dramatic loading of a guy screaming in pain into an ambulance and there wasn't any blood on him at all.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:34 | 1033217 Hdawg
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Ya think?

 

It's an absolute put-up.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:36 | 1033225 Hdawg
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There's not a major media event that is not planned, controlled and front-run by these big nosed crooks.

 

Al Jazeera is as Arabic as Pasta.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:42 | 1033246 Thomas
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I am stunned by how much ammo they squander.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:48 | 1033269 Gene Parmesan
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Seriously - 7.62x51 too. Good to see some FALs in action, though.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:11 | 1033348 nonclaim
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These guys are toast (maybe literally) if a no-fly zone gets the green. Would you trust these "good-guys" with anti-aircraft guns pointing up? Yeah, it's old and probably half range/accuracy left, but still...

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:17 | 1033358 Cognitive Dissonance
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Like the video said, some of the shooting, particularly the small arms, was symbolic. These are often newly recruited rebels who are being carried along by emotion. If they stopped for a few minutes and thought about what they are doing, they might go home.

Symbols and symbolic gestures are always more powerful than the actual weapons and bullets/rounds wasted. This is why governments are extremely fearful of charismatic leaders that understand how to use symbols to energize people.

Re: Martin Luther King, the Kennedy's etc. Funny how they are gunned down all the time by lone gunmen.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:23 | 1033374 Hdawg
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Lone gunman?  Guns and Roses - Civil war.

 

D'you wear a black armband
When they shot the man
Who said "Peace could last forever"
And in my first memories
They shot Kennedy
I went numb when I learned to see
So I never fell for Vietnam
We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all
That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:31 | 1033209 scythian empire
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Every libyan should own toilet paper to clean the self soiling induced from their taxpaid aircraft prepping to drop bombs on them.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:32 | 1033211 scythian empire
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and make sure it's that good ole usa Charmin brand (ting!)

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:03 | 1033319 UninterestedObserver
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You shouldn't laugh they will do it here too if we ever rise up against the banksters

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:57 | 1033682 JW n FL
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the bankers.. will own the goobermint.. who controls military and law enforcement.. thusly the bankers own all the red tape you can imagine..

and all those service workers will be thinking while they are gunning you down.. is that thier family is in line ahead of yours for food stamps, becuase they are a good little pet of the goobermints / bankers..

who gets the food first? the power first? trust me, they will be shooting at you..

team LEO!!! killing civilians, AGAIN! do you want me to post the 1 million videos on youtube of LEO's Gone Wild?

It will be clear within the first few days who is acting for whos own benefit.

and not until after people every where are suffering.. will everyone get involved.. more than half here live in the woods and are staying out of the way.. that should help get things done in Washington / "K" Street / Wall Street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyzoNCJvy4c

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police+beating+caught+on+tape&aq=0

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=police+shooting+caught+on+tape&aq=0

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:22 | 1034644 ft65
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Quoting JW n FL / J.E.W.

>> who gets the food first? the power first? trust me, they will be shooting at you..

Enough of the government is going to shoot you disinformation. (Do "we" need to start again?) This is a financial web site. If you want to discuss guns / ammo / preps, head over to you know where and spout this rubbish.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:21 | 1034669 High Plains Drifter
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They also need Berkey water filters too.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:32 | 1033214 Hdawg
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Gaddafi playing his part...

 

...the world is but a big-nosed stage.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:33 | 1033221 bob_dabolina
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When I was little I used to try and hit flying birds with my Daisey Red Ryder BB gun too.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:58 | 1033491 Oh regional Indian
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bob, just wanted to let you know that your dry one-liners are much appreciated.

ORI

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:39 | 1033231 mynhair
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This is also very bullish.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:09 | 1033334 UninterestedObserver
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Obviously - Stocks up oil down - they should blow up refineries more often

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:40 | 1033235 Id fight Gandhi
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And why is the rumor that gadaffi is leaving everyday?

If he does wipe down his people, what then for Obama and team? They took a stand against him.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1033236 THE DORK OF CORK
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The Dollar needs maybe $200 a barrel  to absorb the FEDs excess reserves.

Looks like its going to get it.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1033237 THE DORK OF CORK
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Double Barrel

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1033239 CitizenPete
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There she blows! Video of oil refinery hit by shelling in Libya

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVBHbxi0Jd8

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:12 | 1033345 Cow
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more work for Boots and Coots

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:40 | 1033240 TWORIVER
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Copper breaks support, confirning Head and Shoulders Top. Will not be pretty for Stocks PM's etc. be long the USD/CHF.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:42 | 1033243 serotonindumptruck
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If the US supports the Libyan rebels by enforcing a no-fly zone, they will be morally obligated to support any Saudi rebels who might find themselves in the same predicament in the near-term future.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 23:42 | 1035303 StychoKiller
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Morals?  Obligations?  U on droogs, boy/girl?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:47 | 1033258 I Got Worms
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On Drudge yesterday, they linked footage of a goathearder looking guy who brought down a jet, with some old, brokedick anti-arcraft gun.  They went to the wreckage and found the two pilots dead bodies. The papers on one showed he was Libyan, and the other showed him to be Syrian.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:51 | 1033468 New_Meat
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Golden bee-bee.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:14 | 1033534 TheChubs
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you have that link? would love to watch that.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:48 | 1033267 Stranded Observer
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Wow.  Great video.  Guys shooting guns in the air.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:50 | 1033283 Rodent Freikorps
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Fire discipline, bitches.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:53 | 1033288 mynhair
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Just heard the last sonic double boom of Discovery.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:56 | 1033298 AN0NYM0US
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that's funny cause I think I just heard it now - maybe a truck going by

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:56 | 1033304 mynhair
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and it's back on the ground

- sniff -

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:52 | 1033292 NOTW777
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and while libya burns, big sis is working on undercover pedo stuff

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/internet/undercover-web-site-dera...

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:57 | 1033303 Atomizer
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Click documents link on left hand column.

http://www.un.org/en/law/

This is one of the best fabricated made for TV drama I've watched in a long time.

 

 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:05 | 1033326 Silverhog
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Any rumors that Gaddafi is leaving or is stepping down will be just that, rumors. His loyalists have been promised a piece of the pie. They would kill him themselves if he were to back out of this ongoing slaughter of his own people. Many of these brutal supporters have nowhere to go.  

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:15 | 1033352 Atomizer
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Reuters removed a portion of video. Start watching at 16 secs in.

1800 The Guardian footage

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/03/breaking-gaddafi-planes-bombarding-ras-lanouf/

Spoiler..

  1. Would you like to buy cigarettes?
  2. Run, look like your seeking shelter on the count of 3. 1,2,3 -- GO!
  3. An afternoon prayer
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:24 | 1033364 THE DORK OF CORK
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What I cannot understand is why these trucked 14.5mm & 23mm are grouped together - surely if they are not linked by any fire control radar  it is best to keep the Toyota pickups 100m or more apart as one bomb will take out the lot.

Not very rational.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:03 | 1033715 LFMayor
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probably trying to shield them from ground fire outside the perimeter, and/or they don't have enough forces to provide sercurity so they shrunk the perimiter, stacked their crap in too tight.

Even on the Ducks side, the "paid professionals"  in this are some sub-saharan bandit culture.  This is not a 5 star production, from any angle.

This is what the battle of LA will look like in real life.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:14 | 1034647 High Plains Drifter
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Those things would probably be more suited against ground targets than air targets. You start shooting at a APC with those things and you will get someone's attention real fast, especially if you are using APIT , etc.........

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:26 | 1033384 equity_momo
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Its all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:13 | 1034638 High Plains Drifter
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War is hell. It is one thing to blow smoke up your own ass but it is another to get shot at by someone trying to kill you..........The realization of war, is settling in now on these rebel fighters .......You can see it. They are now realizing it will not end easy and that they could get killed in the bargain.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:36 | 1033415 Oh regional Indian
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Once you grab the pattern, it becomes quite obvious.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/axis-of-evil-doing/

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:39 | 1033426 Hdawg
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Are you implying the road ends in hyperinflation?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:55 | 1033482 Oh regional Indian
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Actually Hdawg, I'm implying the road ends in Hyper-conflagration.

It's baked in. 

Oil is now on fire....watch it consume what it helped create.

ORI

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:59 | 1033494 Hdawg
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Agreed, baked it is...

...as it was meant to be.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:52 | 1033473 New_Meat
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At ~0:40 "no one knows where the bombs will drop."

Including the pilots.

- Ned

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:58 | 1033490 Rodent Freikorps
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Heh.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 13:59 | 1033500 alangreedspank
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What kind of hardware does Gaddafi have ? Russian or US since he let BP in 2005 ?

 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:15 | 1033536 Ancona
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.50 BMG bitchez. It's all about the caliber.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1033710 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCVqf4Spq18

is what you say, but there are other options http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_FLFXMQhsk .

but.. as they are showing on TV air strikes suck.. or.. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=predator+drone+hellfire&aq=0sx

so in close fighting will help you stay alive. dont think sniper scope B & S, USA Optics and / or Night Force.. think red dot and shotgun.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:23 | 1033577 Stuck on Zero
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We need to hand over a few Warthogs to the rebels.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:17 | 1034652 High Plains Drifter
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A warthog would be a game changer.....

 

They would have take them out with SAM's etc..........or else...........

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:39 | 1033625 bugs_
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Now for the Nintendo Wii!

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:58 | 1033863 trendybull459
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The only way to rid off those revolutions is to abolish FED,but you are who posting here is doomed,because i counted over 50posts and asked to vote for FED existence in my blog:

http://trendybull777.blog.com/2011/02/21/hello-world/

But it was just 3 brave people to respond,which meaning that all of you is sartisfied with current environment and you probably forgot that today Jasmin reolutions based on internet first by FED elite to screw nations,I calling for thoose who wish FED abolished to vote or to leave comments at least,the thing which is world lags today is trust between us!!!

Go and vote,World should not affaid of monster eating into our wealth on everyday basic

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:06 | 1034073 malikai
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Exxon's Rex Tillerson discuses upstream supply.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/41988074

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 19:12 | 1034477 spongeBOB
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Everybody is focusing on Libya but last night a blast took out northern Iraq's oil pipline and resulted in 25% cut in oil exports.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:19 | 1034112 Armando Javier ...
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I hope Gaddafi slaughters all those idiots soon.  It is so frickin funny watching those yahoos fire into the sky wasting ammo.  CBS needs to send that blonde reporter bimbo to cover this.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:07 | 1034625 Stuck on Zero
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Not so idiotic.  The North Vietnamese took down hundreds of our aircraft by firing straight into the air.  If you can see the plane it's too late to fire.  If you think they're in the neigborhood shoot straight up with the chance of hitting one.  This means the rebels have some training.  Beware the falling rounds however.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:11 | 1034628 High Plains Drifter
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I am going to have to agree with this. Those people did not have it that bad there. There was no hunger in the country and they all had free medical care etc. This whole thing was orchestrated by someone from the United States etc  He knows this. The rebel victories at first were a result of him being caught off guard but he has adjusted now. Its only a matter of time now , as he brings all tubes to bear on the target......Those idiots running up and down the highway in little white trucks, make me laugh. What targets they are, fools...........

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:07 | 1034620 High Plains Drifter
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It would appear that the old fox, kept most if not all of his good military stuff near the capital so in the case of any outbreak of rebellion, the rebels would not get access to it. Now after a brief bit of chaos, when the old fox , was caught with his pants down, he has regrouped and attacked. I think they underestimated this guy , no doubt in my mind. They want him out, but he is not going away. He is old but he is not giving up.  He is correct that this whole thing was orchestrated by persons unknown , from outside of his country. Now as this thing drags on, watch as the rebel forces , over the new few weeks, kind of disappear into the fog of war, and either attempt to flee across the border or melt into the wood work so to speak, and hope nobody knew they were rebels. If we or NATO get in there, this thing could get real messy real fast. The old fox is not going away and is stubborn and sly as a fox or he would not have lasted so long. He saw what they did to Saddam and he is on to them from the word go.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 22:07 | 1034912 Element
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1) when you fire, first, aim at an actual target.

2) when ammo reaches zero = you lose and you family gets slaughtered, or worse. The govt forces are not wasting their ammo, so who do you think will run out first?

3) small arms don't work on fighter jets at 5k feet, and ~400 knots.

4) a white 4x4s covered with branches and twigs, to hide it, does not change the fact that you're in a white 4x4, that can still be seen easily from 5 miles away.

5) a British SAS team blew up their main ammo and heavy weapon store. i.e. NATO want the Rebels to lose, and particularly, to lose fast, thus to quench oil price rises.

6) The US (i.e. NATO) needs its ships freed to be stationed in the Arabian Sea where US and most European oil interests actually reside. They are not going to leave them to patrol Libyan waters and airspace to incite an engagement they don't want, and can't participate in, at this time.

7) thus the Libyan Rebels are going to get defeated, and the people are going to be in a terrible situation for two or three decades.

8) That'll make the little people think twice about all this hot-headed revolutionary stuff.

Harsh, but that's the imperative NATO powers must pursue. They're contriving an opposite intent to camera, because the show must go on. You can't just come out and say you're going to make sure they lose in a squall of resulting blood-letting, and hellishness, etc.

So we'll get two or three weeks of neauseating hand-wringing ... then ... well, nothing much ..., "move along, nothing to see here."

Gadaffi thinks he'll most likely still be in power ... 3-months from now ... and he's probably right.

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