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Watch The Result Of The English Tuition Hike Vote Live: Update - Tuition Hike Vote Passes
Update: The tuition hike passes by margin of 21 votes.
The English parliament is supposed to vote any minute on whether to pass the tuition vote hike. The results may be unpleasant as the riots will surely escalate should an affirmative vote pass. Watch the results live here.
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Thanks, should be interesting.
does anyone else see a French Revolution coming....How can I invest in a Giotine(sp)....I think they are going to be in great demand
Actually, Guillotine operators used to make good money!
they get snazzy outfits too!
guillotine?
Any riot dogs present?
Police said that the protestors were allowed to march on an agreed upon route. Since the protestors did not, the police had to beat them. Don't these thugs realize the elected officials are also playing with police pensions as well?
nope!
same as the cops over here in the US when this starts happening here.
beating back the people whom are actually fighting for them, a sick and twisted irony..
The one good thing about watching these riots is taking note of what works and what doesn't. Paint balloons are a great idea. I could see passing out roaming candles to everyone in the crowd as well. First and foremost would be protective gear like the thugs wears, but obviously not the same colors as them.
The sad thing is the sheep would rather watch their football in Amerika rather than pay attention to the wholesale anal raping they are receiving.
i also notice that instead of running they ought to charge. Sure some heads get bumpt, if there was another way we wouldnt be here now.
Marbles dont allow good footing and great in sling shots.
Were i to protest my sign would be aimed directly at the police in its message of iinclusion. Its their country and family too!
Holy shit, there's a candle! AND IT'S GOT LEGS! LOOK OUT!
Hey didn't Obama lay down an agreed upon route of more openess and transparency. Well he is OBVIOUSLY not following it.
I guess we should bash his fucking head in.
The protesters are not marching on the agreed routes. Queue up, bitches.
Anti kettling map : http://j.mp/dayx3
Godzilla in the Thames is a nice touch!
been watching since they started streaming it this mornings earlier post.
waiting for the next vote and the tear gas and rubber bullets to start flying...
According to the reporter on the scene right now, things are calm and many have left. He also reported a crowd of 165 having a sit in. Wow! 165, that's crazy!
ive been watching it all morning, you don't need to tell me about the emotion and realism of the scenerio
and according to what i see on my screen right now, i see about 400+ people at the brink of a riot if they aren't already
i know whats wrong, you have your glen beck filter checked!
uncheck that and hit refresh and tell me what you see
Here we go with "on the brink" again.
You guys are always taliking about things being on the "brink". What "brink" are you talking about? Nothing "on the brink" ever happens so maybe the "brink" is much further away than you envision?
Looks like things are all done and settled now. Quickly, back to the main page; I believe something bad is "on the brink" again!!!
i didn't see brink of anything
Ive seen barricades being thrown at police for over 2 hours now and police being pulled off of horses about 3 hours ago..
brink what?
and now im watching students bash out the windows of the bomb proof treasury building in a futile attempt to get inside.
Live feed from London:
A police officer being dragged to an ambulance
A masked student in cuffs being carried off the lawn of Parlament
A raging fire in front of what looks to be a bank
Dozens of police on horses rushing to save an injured officer
Police using duct tape to keep people in line (NO JOKE!)
There's blood in the streets.That's what I see.
i see blood in the streets as well.
from hundreds of disenfranchised people who's government turned its back to but are left with cleaning up the abortion left over.
no different than the emotion thats just under the surface here in the states..
Violence is increasing as the bill passed. Whoops! So much for "calm"
As of 2:15 Eastern time, there are a few people ramming the door of the treasury and about 50 reporters around them with cameras. Seriously, this is like the US, more reporters making a small crowd of protestors seem like the end of the world.
Skynews wanker...
"Banks 323 get bailout money, students get hiked tuitions..."
This small crowd is really busy Harry. They seem to be omnipresent.
Whoops, it seems this Reuters reporter is telling a big lie and Harry Wanker is exposing the truth! From Reuters:
Before we cheer these protestors, let's be clear. They are protesting that there is not enough looting for them to get their share of the dole!
This is why people want the Fed: it makes it possible to have your cake (lots and lots of welfare largesse) and eat it too (taxes don't rise faster than the frog's tolerance for rising temperature).
Until *taxpayers* are rioting saying "no more bloodletting, you can take your handouts and shove them!" central banking is safe and secure.
Yep, everyone wants a solvent society as long as someone else sacrifices their gov't gravy train. Infamous US investor, "Suck it up!" to those without jobs as he takes a bailout.
Live reporter saying, "things are relatively calm right now".
Of course, maybe they'll get in on that Irish bank run or Greek protests too!
Whoops! Webcam of Parliament is down... cough... censored
http://www.webviews.co.uk/network/camera/england/london/parliamentsquare...
on the one hand the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money but on the other hand it isn't obvious who the socialists are.....
which came first, the chicken or the egg...why do these students feel they need an education? because enough educrats and graduates arbitrarily determined that you can't get a job without a degree....
this in turn drives demand and then prices especially when the government lights both ends of the fuse - one for the students but first the one for the educrats...
i recently saw a 15usd/hr job for a call dispatcher demanding a college degree....and now you know why the students are revolting....and why the establishment with its mindless prim and proper rules is even more revolting...
save education for those who truly need it and can benefit from it....it will be a cold day in hell when i will ever use the differential equations class i took....in 20 years i have never used it once....what's more i don't know anyone who has used it in my profession it (read capital it)....but my god don't try to get a job without it (moderately advanced math)....
education entitlement is welfare for educrats...and a mob racket...control fraud at its worst
I agree completely. Think of how much time, energy and hence money is wasted on teaching people knowledge at college that is either a) readily accessible and free on the Internet, or b) completely useless to 99% of people it is taught to. Hell, I've been a professional programmer for more than a decade now, and I can count the number of times I've ever used calculus: 0.
Facts & knowledge <= Wisdom & understanding
Thanks for playing.
very well said, the whole education/degree thing is just another scam. For Christ sake, you need a degree from beauty school to cut someone's hair!
Please don't ever say our public education system is a failure. It's the complete opposite. Skim off the cream of the crop and let everyone else work at Subway and Walmart. That's how it's set up. If everyone gets a degree, who'll cut the lawn, clean the pool, make hamburgers or sell us cheap Chinese crap at Target, Walmart?
To my mind, the real scandal is not that a large corporation
doesn't pay people more. The scandal is that so many people have so
little economic value. Despite (or because of) a free public school
system, millions of teenagers enter the work force without marketable
skills. So why would anyone expect them to be well paid?
A proper education should include things you never need. Utilitarian measures on what a "proper" education should include, are nonsense.
What about history, languages, art, music, crafts, pure maths? It that so unimportant? Is a "good" education one that teaches you only what you need for some lousy job?
No, on the contrary. Education should give an as wide and deep as possible understanding of all human undertakings, especially those which seem "useless". Because they are useless.
The old saying,the people get the politicians they deserve is never more true in the despicable Nick Clegg,what a totally treacherous piece of filth he is,His word means absolutely nothing and he has no morals whatsoever.He is pictured in the article below,supporting students before the General Election by signing a pledge not only not to increase fees but a manifesto pledge of the Lid Dems was to ultimately abolish them!
And now he is voting with the Tories to TREBLE fees!!!Using weasel words like,it was LIb Dem policy but now we are part of a coalition government blah blah blah....
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/09/tuition-fees-clegg-vote-mps
Every cloud has a silver lining, though. This guarantees that the 'Liberal-Democrats', which was the result of a desperate amalgamation of a spent political party (the Liberals) and a rag-bag of Labour defectors (defectives), the 'Social-Democrats', are now destined for the dustbin of political history. They just wanted at crack at being in government. They are nothing but political opportunists without ideology, with morals, with shame.
http://scan.lusu.co.uk/files/2010/11/Nick-Clegg-holds-up-the-plegde-copy...
"English Parliament"??
Come on TD, a man of the world such as you should know that it's the "Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"
the vote was on English Education fees, the devolved parliament of Scotland ,and Wales make their own decisions on health, education and transport,
westminster gets to make the decisions on taxation oh and they get to keep the oil too
with any luck come May 2011 the Scottish elections will see another victory for the SNP to push for a referendum for independence from Westminster
Yes, and it's the English tax payers who subsidise Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
no you are wrong, this is a common misconception. The devolved paliament of Scotland gets a settlement each year and then it is up to the parliament what to spend its money on and if it chooses to give free prescriptions and tuition fees then it means that it is not spending it on something else.
The flow of money going to the Westminster treasury compared to the money going to the Scottish Parliament based on last years figures mean the Scottish Parliament is subsidising England to the tune of 10 billion pounds.
I will say this one more time if the little guardian readers are so keen on not paying for the so called Scottish free loaders, then please instruct your Tory and Labour friends to vote yes in the referendum for independence, but we both know that whilst there is still oil in the ground, the renewable energy and hydro electric schemes to send power to England and the water that is badly needed too, then they will moan about it in public but in private they know without Scottish commodities it would have been bust a long time ago.
Yes but the Scots, Welsh and N.I. MP's still vote on these purely English matters.
Im not sure about todays vote but apart from this one, the SNP have a policy of not voting on English only matters.
The West Lothian Question - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/82358.stm
No-one has a right (natural right) to education, healthcare or subsidies or whatever.
These students are just as tyrannical as their overlords.
Nor does business have a right to a cheap or educated workforce...
That's right.
Speculation fever is gripping the market in certain sectors.
China IPO's going wild.
It passed now I would like to see what happens outside.
A few linger but they'll go home or join the massive 165 that are holding a "sit in" at the national gallery.
LOL Harry just keeps getting junked for stating the obvious.
Sorry, no riot porn today for the armchair anarchists.
The slavery this time around is incremental and depends on heavy doses of opiates like mainstream tv, antidepressants, cheap cheesefood. It is incremental and you free yourself the same way.
Rooting for bloodshed 5000 miles away beaming to you on HDTV isn't going to cut it, guys.
The main problem is too many students. Its ridiculous to expect that every school leaver should be able to go to a higher level of education. They have got round it by making exams easier and giving absolute grades rather than relative. With so many students now, facilities are swamped. As if we didn't have enough Media Studies graduates already...
Labour wanted 50% of school-leavers to go to university. So a degree is a sign of average intelligence?
Thats right, student numbers have trebled in the last 7 years. Unfortunately most of the extra students are doing `media studies` , sociology or some other easy option which holds no value for employers.
Most UK taxpayers do not see why they should pay for this. When Students have to pay their way they will be forced to look at the level ecconomic of advantage it will give them. If it means more biochemists, engineers, medics etc then that will be fine with the taxpayer. If sociology and media studies courses cease being oversubscribed then ho cares.
The head of the Law Society was on BBC Radio a week or so ago saying "there are 7 law graduates for every pupilage available, we do not need this many"
The purpose of an education is NOT to find some job.
If the exams to get into university are of the correct level, then the quality of the degree courses themselves can also be higher. This means more able graduates, who are more employable. Instead, there's a whole bunch of unemployable muppets heavily in debt. Its a complete nonsense.
BTW: Great 30-yr auction results just announced. Very nice.
Yes; one could predict the 30-year would get defended after the last few trading days' action.
Education is different from other welfare as its a form of investment in the nation's future.
The reason we can't afford any longer to invest in our nation's and our children's future is because the bankers stole all the money.
I hope they keep rioting until they make it clear to the bankers that stealing our future is more dangerous than its worth
>The reason we can't afford
Who is this "we"? Are you a communist?
>the bankers stole all the money.
Really? They've never threatened to break into my house if I don't give them 30% of my income. What did the bankers steal from you exactly?
Don't pay your taxes, then tell us who's pointing the gun!
Of course it's not the government promising money to schools via debt on children which continues an endless cycle of higher tuition, more government loans, and higher debt on kids. Education debt has surpassed credit card debt for the first time in the U.S.
School loan officers are going to halfway homes and homeless shelters for more warm bodies to make debt slaves.
Some investment in the future.
Reporter just asked a protester, "Do you know what you are protesting?" His response, "uhhh, no."
Too funny. These people need to watch an NBA championship final win for a real look at rioting.
are you seriously this big a douche?
or do you just play one exceptionally well on this site?
It is rent a crowd, same idiots who demontrate against Nukes and Hunting.
T-10 minutes until liftoff. I'm long on Lexan face shields.
They should all go spend an hour or so drinking heavily,
then come back and get the party started.
and attend a soccer match.
You know I'm all for protesting and all but I'm glad to live where I do. Black hooded anarchists are not welcome and would be shot. There are some advantages to living in a proto fascist state. What they ate doing is considered assault with a deadly weapon and police around here would not hesitate nor would a jury convict them. Take out loans you brits like we do.
"I'm glad to live where I do. Black hooded anarchists are not welcome and would be shot."
So are you advocating shooting people because of their beliefs? Or because of their apparel?
After what would be described as assault by a deadly weapon. Deadly weapon is broadly defined in my parts. Snooker balls and malotovs count. I see the students want a handout too. It looks like opm is running out. Grab a coke and a bag of popcorn. This next decade should be an interesting scene.
I understand what you mean. The black hooded anarchists. At least we know who they are.
Sorry, it's funny. Watch this short clip about the "Black Hooded Anarchists" Start at 3:00 in and and it is funny and enlightening.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x49350
Or just read the article.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html
Remember those western movies. Sometimes the Cowboys dressed up like indians and caused havoc and the cavalry came in, and the railroad got the Land and the right of way...
Protestors have broken into the Treasury and are now singing "We Want Our Money Back!"
Well done.
Reuters reporting several hundred protestors- violence has broken out.
When there are NO riots to speak of, will ZH promtply print a "sorry we were so fucking stupid" notice?
Remember the breathless France! Riots! articles here? Idiotic.
There will be a few minor protests, maybe two noses will get broken (if that), and so it goes - the govmint will do what they want. We live in an era when govmint power (via police technology and so on) is total.
So, we'll sit back and wait for the "sorry we were so fucking stupid" retraction from ZH in a few months, when it is obvious there were no riots to speak of and the few protests achieved utterly nothing - exactly as with the breathless France! Riots! interlude.
(Still waiting on the "Sorry we were fucking idiots" from ZH re the breathless France! Riots! excitement.)
Oh, the joys of goobermint-controlled education.
This should get interesting. Popcorn or marshmallows? Hmmm...
Prince Charles and Camilla's car attacked by students.
Yea was just going to post that.
What was said inside the car:
"The peasants are revolting!"
As of 2:45 Eastern, BBC says there have been 10 arrests. Wow, craziness!
I normally wouldn't bother, but in this instance I will. You know nothing of this issue and have nothing of value to add. Spare us your ignorance.
Remember Lord Mountbatten?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gEMTc9uRzE&feature=related
The first line of offence will be pot smokers, no gas scare for us
Do we see a pattern regardless of the motivation? Frustrations are being expressed more vividly everyday. Morphing. Physical, Cyber...
But the mass waking partially up is being expressed. For the wrong reasons still, but that will change.