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Watch Senator Sanders' 3 Hour (So Far) Long Filibuster On Taxes... Update: At 6:58PM Sanders' Speech Has Ended, Almost 9 Hours Long
Senator Bernie Sanders commenced a filibuster speech at 10:25 am this morning objecting to the proposed tax extension. Three hours later, and now joined by Mary Landrieu, the soliloquy (or is that duoloquy) continues. While the backstage dealing will likely not be impacted much if at all by this speech, it does provide for entertaining viewing. Bernie sure is passionate about the topic.
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GO BERNIE! The last man with any integrity in the Senate.
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Speaking of taxes...
Does anyone know if the Bush tax cuts were enough to offset the hidden tax of dollar depreciation throughout the Bush years? I believe the dollar was destroyed by 40% during his presidency, so although the Republicans hang their hats on those tax cuts, I am curious about the net tax affect (hidden and real) of Republican fiscal policies.
Total insolvency of our banking system, not included.
And regarding the argument that gross tax receipts increased despite the Bush tax cuts, I'm wondering how the fact that everyone had an ATM card with a picture of their house on it factors into that argument.
Please advise.
Sincere question: Do you receive income from the Democratic Party? If you do, and if posting is just your job, as completely pathetic as that may be, it would be, at the very least, understandable. If you do not receive income from the Democratic Party, you are no different than the supporters of the Republicans whom you vilify at every opportunity. It is at the same time funny and sad.
That's just it, though. He's so stupidly counter-productive that you have to think that if somebody is actually paying for this shit, it must be the other side!
I'm a genuine liberal--and I junk his ass almost on sight. On principle alone. He's a complete dumb ass. Can't figure out who he works for!
Gotta say, though, that girlie-men liberals tend to have much better social skills. He seems like a gross and pathetically lame caricature of a liberal at best.
Bob-a-licious
I would strongly urge you to take a quarter Xanax bar before logging on.
Here's my psychological profile of you:
Gay.
You seem to be very emotional and overly dramatic about my posts. Trite and catty, too. In fact, your response seems so overdone, that I'm beginning to get the sense that you might be slightly more homo, than sapien.
I'm not trying to take a cheap shot at you by calling you gay (that's your prerogative, so long as you don't cause hurricanes), but you certainly exhibit some very dramatic and catty qualities that lend some merit to my suspicions.
When you say:
Gotta say, though, that girlie-men liberals tend to have much better social skills.
...WTF does that mean? What part of the discussion prompted you to care about social skills and popularity? That's so...Melrose.
I'm a genuine liberal--and I junk his ass almost on sight..
That's vindictive and catty, like a high school girl gluing toilet paper to a prettier girl's locker.
Can't figure out who he works for!
Again, that's just so....gay. So gossipy and catty and dramatic and conspiratorial. Barf!
You need to spend less time watching the Bravo channel, and more time preparing your wife for the Honey...I think I might be gay conversation.
RNR
I've explained this to you before. Your sophomoric old-world partisan games are an ignorant bore, brilliantly provocative as you strive to be Even people who "lean" democrat junk you.
Your imperviousness to constructive feedback in combination with your impressive knack for poisonously representing the constituency you claim is what naturally compels people to question your motivations.
On the web, that equals tool or troll.
That is to say: ad-hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, I refuse to answer kridkrid's question or Bob's critique because they are too close to the truth for comfort. George Bush, worst president ever! This whole financial mess is Dubya's fault, and Dubya's alone. Oh, look over there!
Obama/Soros/Lenin's corpse 2012
RNP, neither I nor most of the people who legitimately frequent this site are Republican (in the sense that they support that party no matter who the candidates may be), or people lame enough not to see through the propaganda of the so-called "two-party" system. When push came to shove, as in the renomination and approval of the Bernank, Republicans and Dems who couldn't agree on much were singing Kumbaya and holding hands.
Indeed, partisan bickering plays into the hand of those who wish to divide and distract the populace.
Anyone who holds themselves out as a cheerleader for one side or the other simply will never be taken seriously here.
I wish you were right about that.. I'm not so sure... I thought the same thing until a post came along that shattered my hope that the left/right paradigm was a minority here..
I've repeatedly said that I'm not a Democrat, and I certainly don't work for them.
I disagree with your notion that most people here aren't Republicans, or don't subscribe to left/right paradigms - I would wager the exact opposite. Most here voted Republican in 2000, 2004, 2008 and have become more and more disenchanted with their party as time moves on. I hope, anyway.
When I smash the Republicans, I'm not doing it to swing votes to the Left. I simply enjoy pointing to the deep, rich hypocrisy of the Right - something that gets swept under the rug daily around this forum.
Now... back to my questions posted above.
Read "Tragedy and Hope", Carroll Quigley. American politics has been controlled by behind-the-scene interests since 1883.
What exactly would you wager? Because I'll take that fucking bet.
I voted Democrat, Democrat, Libertarian in 2000, 2004, and 2008. Come on folks, lets see where you voted.
Your enjoyment of pointing out the "deep, rich hypocrisy of the Right" reminds me of the episode of Star Trek where the people who were black on the left and white on the right hated those who were black on the right, and white on the left, as someone pretending to be a neutral party focusing his hate on one group or the other, but in actuality he is focusing his hate on the group that is not in power. Stupid powerless jerks!
The question is, when the Republicans win in 2012, will you start pointing out the "deep, rich hypocrisy of the Left"? Perhaps you can adopt the moniker "Blue Balled Democrog"?
2000 Nader, 2004 Kerry, 2008 no vote (Paul in primary).
You'll find the republican and democrat hypocrisy is regularly poked around here. If you wish to score points for or against either side, you won't find much support here beyond the junk button.
I'm too busy loving the ultimate spanking Obama just got on national television delivered by Bill Clinton. Little wannabe-president fucker (Obama) ran away to a Christmas party and left BILL FUCKING CLINTON with a live microphone being called Mr President by ALL of the press. Bill then spent 30 minutes being his eloquent self and showed the world what a real President looks like and how he speaks.
And I'm a fucking right winger giving props to BJ Bill of all people.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, but found myself wanting more Clinton after 8 yrs of Bush 2 and 2 years of "Teleprompter" Obummer.
On subject, Sander's offered 9 hours of truth in a venue that hasn't heard the truth in years. I am not on board with his steal from the rich to give to the poor, but when he talks about jailing the crooked banksters I am 100% in support.
edit: Goddamn turbo mouse buttons.
Obama's lucky that Clinton didn't have an Alexander Haig moment.
I'm thinking a large part of the World population would've accepted his takeover at this point! :>D
He soooo wanted to but he feared the wrath of the Sec'y of State!
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Last I checked Socialist/Independent Sen. Sanders caved in regarding the audit of the Fed after financial terrorists suicide bombed the Dow for a flash crash in May of this year. Does Sen. Sanders have integrity or are his antics more a form of political grandstanding?
Granted, we did get a nice peak at the Fed's multi-trillion dollar give-a-way-a-thon for a motorcycle and a Big Mac. I do give Sen. Sanders a kudos for that. I guess us constitutional fundamentalists can’t have everything we want in the form of transparency as it relates to the Fed.
At the end of the day the Congress is derelict of its duty and, unfortunately, their off and on budget spending is inconsequential when compared to the fiat bazookas of the Fed.
I’ll just buy silver and continue to make life hell for the closest political hack I can reach with the back of my hand, i.e. local Mayor.
Nice summary.
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Thank Gawd for Bernie
Damn proud to be a Vermonter (1/2 the year anyway)
Bernie is my favorite Senator. Maybe that's why I chose "Eric the Red"
Who is Bernie Sanders?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
When you see B.S. you see Bernie Sanders!
He and others of his ilk are like bloated ticks sucking on the necks of the American taxpayer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADRv6AsznH4
Parasites such as these are among the most nefarious life forms on the planet.
He would be the perfect image of a do-gooder, world-improver that travels down the road of the best of intentions.... We all know where that road leads to....
If Bernie would have his ways he probably would give each family under the poverty level a million dollar check each, printed monopoly money of course (The thing about these do-gooders is that they think rich folks are like trees, that money just grows on them. Easy pickin' alright. The truth is these rich folks are more like mongoose; it actually takes EFFORT to catch one of these bastards, and if effort ever was their thing they would be one of them rich folks already, but it's not, so no money tree or mongoose, just the good old printing press)
Soak the makers of wealth sounds really awesome, but the inconvenient truth is that the zombies are too many! there aren't enough riches to soak for the zombies that are joining the parasitic ranks every day. Nice try Bernie, but its been tried before by many, and so far none have succeeded yet.
Despite:
- PIIGS crises
- Bond market crash
- Europe protests
- Korean missles
- Inflation/deflation debates
- Tax cut or no tax cut
And everything else that has been thrown at the market.
Capital One remains resilient, and is now up 4 days in a row, nearing the top end of the trading range.
Pretty amazing.
More proof the "news" never has any significant correlation to market movements.
Exactly.
Follow the tape.
Ignore the news.
Failure to follow this method will result in bankruptcy for those who trade for a living.
And the stock still down almost 50% from 3 years ago. Pretty amazing.
Did you hear a word I just said?
Buy the fucking dips.
I'm wanna dip my balls in it -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR1hI_Ikuv8
This is Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner getting way more pudding than they need. "Barry and Levon where did you get $240? Shhhhh...":
http://www.mtv.com/global/music/videos/popout/?id=1539536&vid=133949
And has under-performed gold and silver in the past 15 months. While at the very least Robo posted more then a 5-min chart he failed to mention that the stock's been dead money for 15 months.
Any good poker player never really plays their cards, they play the other players!
fundaMENTAL analysis is pure suicide in this market. any small fundaMENTAL investing success is coincidental.
You must play the other players, irrational or not. Or you are dead.
If you sit around the virtual trading table and you don't spot the obvious idiot mark, you are IT!
Imagine going to a poker room and sitting down at a table with poker players that all know each other. You will NEVER win. EVER. They are there to strip you of all your money. Kinda like the market.
Looking around the table I see a bunch of frauds, cheats, and charlatans. I see nothing more then printing, borrowing, and spending. I do not see a way out, or a managed collapse. I see only people fighting for how hard we can press the accelerator until we drive off the cliff.
I see the FRN going to zero. Not against the FX trades. Against goods and hard assets. I do not know when, but I do know how. I cannot time the exit. I am preparing accordingly.
Surely you mean those who film themselves masturbating in burning buildings for a living?
My experience also. If I turn off the TV, stay off the computer, and keep an eye on my favorite moving averages, I trade a LOT better. Logging off now....
Big deal, not even as high as it was in April.
Somehow you leave out the market is artificially inflated by counterfeit money distributed by the Fed into the hands of bankers that have already raped the system for their benefit and continue to do so with your approval.
I am certain that is in part because Capital One has taken a "no write-offs" approach to their delinquent balances. While Chase and others have shown a willingness to negotiate with defaulting creditors, Capital One has taken the hardass approach.
Hes into cross-dressing...? WTF ?
All countries have convoluted government proceedings.
The US has some of the most convoluted in the world.
It's like th ewhole system was set up fromt he get go to allow shady stuff happening (like how our favourite un-bank, the non-federal reserve-less came into being).
And who the heck calls anything a fillibuster.
Sounds like a pony and dog show!
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
If a socialist is for it, im against it.
thats the sort of attitude that will get this country no where. I lean libertarian but I agree with this guy's position on bringing back manufacturing and not extended the upper end tax cuts. It time for tough choices or things will only get worse.
I wish Illinois got someone good to vote for like Sanders, instead of picking between a douche and a turd as is always the case. Atleast Sanders seems to be in the best interest of his constituency.
Bottom line i dont trust the motives of someone whos political veiws depend on capitalism failing.
im a libertarian also, and in the people republic of illinois.
I assume you were one of the other 80k people who voted for Labno?
lol yeah i voted lobno. People's Republic of Illinois ftw comrade.
I guess my point is that if there were libertarians and communists as reps & sens they would get more done and the result would be a stronger country. On these tax breaks- they all should expire and the budget gap should be filled. If the people don't like it then they will yell and cry and things will get cut. But if the people don't pay for the benefits and you ask the people if you can cut them - who would agree to that?
Nonsense about letting the tax cuts expire. It's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. We could free up $500billion if we leave most of our war posts from the Korean War through Gulf War I. The tax funds are the peoples money, not the gunverment.
Im all for that idea, but most people aren't. So make 'em pay for it. Then people will be more willing to let go of these stupid expenditures. Eventually, taxes will be able to be far lower than they are now. I just don't believe in borrowing to fix the problem because that perpetuates the status quo.
Also I love the avatar
I don't lean Libertarian I am one - And I agree with much of what Bernie says and does.
I also have no problem with Socialism so long as it is contained to a county or state level. Hell, it might even work if kept small enough so you could keep track of the money.
But Capitalism? Wake up, Capitalism died many decades ago, probably about the time the Fed was formed. We've had Corporatism ever since.
Another Libertarian here... Great response, I will use this approach on my mentally challeneged associates who are caught up in the idiotic left/right paradigm.
I don't understand the junks. I'm a Liberal for pete's sake and and share a whole lot of goals of Liberatarians. I think Ron Paul is great (even though he's in the retard party). We indeed have corporatism and that is most certainly NOT capitalism. Great post.
Well said...+++++
I bet someone is just pressing the junk button randomly.
As a libertarian myself, I too have no problem with socialism. It's the people's money, they can do what ever they want with it. On two conditions: everything is local (not national), so it stays manageable and responsive to local needs, and you can "opt out" by simply moving. Two, it has to be fully funded. If the people want "free" health care for everyone, sure, as long as they understand how much it will cost, and they will pay for it NOW, not in two generations.
Libertarianism has been carefully built to undermine right-populism in the West. The reason you support his positions on manufacturing and taxes is that you're a populist.
Sanders is a social-democrat. Which is real leftism. Leftists in the US are focused on identity politics. The neo-liberals come up the middle.
You sir, are a moron.
so it's ok with you that he is a socialist? Are you that young? or just stupid?
Having said that, I hope Sanders filibusters until January. Go Bernie Go! The proposed bill sucks.
Socialism is not a dirty word across the board. Some level of socialism is needed for society to even function. Unless you don't want stuff like electricity, water, or roads. So once you've signed up for having a society, after that it's just a balancing act.
Sanders is not "some level of socialism". He is a 100% socialist. Big difference.
He is a dirty skunk politician like the rest of them regardless if he has a (D) (R) (L) (S) after his name
No he isn't. Not even close..
Cow, save yourself from looking like a fool.. do alittle "homework" on Bernie..
Here's a little "homework" for you. Bernie Sanders gutting the Audit the Fed legislation as explained by Ron Paul:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTjuZAQjj-0
Why would you need socialism to have electricity, water and roads? Electricity and water are typically a commercial or CoOp endeavor and roads can be built locally by the county or privately by the local residents. Fail to see where socialism is the only or best way to provide those services.
And Interstate Highways? Should everyone mine their own iron and generate their own power locally too? As a capitalist, should I be restricted on where I can manufacture goods so I don't have to pay egregious tolls to the rentiers who own the railways and toll roads? Once you give 'private' enterprises monopolies on resources created for the public good (roads, water etc) you create a rentier class. We've been there, we've done that. We want a free market so we socialise some resources, and guess what - you get taxed to pay for it.
Wow, you got junked for a coherent and well-written post. I guess that's the prepubescent ZH readership for you.
Pan, very well written... ++++++++++++
should I be restricted on where I can manufacture goods so I don't have to pay egregious tolls to the rentiers who own the railways and toll roads? Once you give 'private' enterprises monopolies on resources created for the public good (roads, water etc) you create a rentier class.
People who provide goods and services seek to satisfy customers over the long run. If they don't do so they go out of business. It's a self correcting problem. Only the government and it's cronies are Too Big to Fail. Government is the problem.
Fallacy. Ask any successful monopolist if they are concerned with going out of business.
Show me a monopolist that isn't supported by government intervention and there will be your answer.
None exist today because we have laws that prevent it... ever heard of anti-trust?
Wow, you're naive.
And who's the naive one here? The biggest monopy today is the one that has total power over the one thing that don't belong to them --- Your money. This is the very same boyscout crap that leads people to believe tax policy or socialism can equalise wealth. All your fancy income redistributing/social re-engineering efforts wouldn't amount to didlysquat if the grandmaster decides to mess with the value of your paycheck. Pay heed to the phrase "Let me control and issue a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws"
Sounds like you need to learn to live within your means.
So you dont pay FEDEX to ship your products? How about railroads? Lets compare AMTRAX with Union Pacific and tell me which one is more efficient and better for your business? And you don't think you are paying egregious tolls? Ever drive thru NJ?
If a good or service is offered by the private sector, competition brings choices and forces price discovery. Only when government regulations distort the market by favoring one business over another, or worst, eliminates the competition by creating monopolies or forcing citizens to pay taxes for the service wether they use it or not is when you loose choice and efficiency.
BTW, I have no problem with interstate federal highways. They are an enumerated power in the constitution, "to build post offices and post roads", and to "regulate (as in tomake regular) interstate commerce". Those are valid Federal powers we all pay for.
Re-read then reply once you've absorbed it fully.
So your counterargument is that your point is so deep and brilliant that the rest of us must be stupid for not agreeing with it instantly?
The emperor has no clothes.
Agreeing to some socialism is like agreeing to only get a little pregnant. Get some principles to stand for.
I'm not the first to point out that your out of touch.
Socialism is not a dirty word across the board. Some level of socialism is needed for society to even function. Unless you don't want stuff like electricity, water, or roads
None of those things came about due to Socialism. In a socialist society there would have been no Franklin or Edison to have harnessed electric power (each were self made individuals from boyhood who escaped the tender mercies of public education which is the first pillar of socialism). Same goes for the rest of the list.
Edison responsible for harnessed electric power? Seriously?
Edison was a thief and a goon.
Time for a history lesson bub.
Ouch some reality. Nikola Tesla.
Try Westinghouse.
Westinghouse would have been nothing without Tesla's AC patents.
I hope you can discover a need to lean further libertarian cuz libertarians don't make a practice of throwing good money (actually, maybe "additional money" is better, cuz it's fiat horseshit) after bad by hurling more of our tax money at federal scumbags who can't seem to give it to the bankstas fast enough.
Yeah, Sanders would kill two birds with a stone. You wouldn't have to choose between a douche and a turd. You get two for one (socialist) money.
At least you get the satisfaction of throwing your governors into prison.
Did a socialist junk me?
+2 in my book
I don't know, but I'll junk you. Go Bernie Go!
@MarketMinds
He's a socialist? Hmmm. And what is George W. Bush who gave us the new farm bill and Medicare Part D, to say nothing of the Wall Street bailout? Wake-up MM. I don't care if he's a socialist if he's man enough to confront the 800 pound gorilla that the vast majority of Americans seem to enjoy ignoring.
hes an honest socialist, bush was not. Happy?
oh were playing the red vs blue divide and conquer thing are we? im out....
A progressive. A fascist in disguise.
You're new here, so I'll educate you (I find myself doing this once a month or so, don't bother with a counter argument, you won't find any good ones.)
In a democracy where everyone has an equal voice, the masses will vote to take wealth from the rich. It is in their best interest to do so, so this is no assumption. This is called socialism.
Fascism is a response to democracy where the state is used to protect the wealthy's wealth from the masses.
Fascism is a real word with a clear meaning, dispite what Glenn Beck says.
"Fascism is a response to democracy where the state is used to protect the wealthy's wealth from the masses."
"[Fascism] affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men." Given this premise, Fascists conclude that the preservation of social hierarchy is in the interests of all classes, and therefore all classes should collaborate in its defense. Both the lower and the higher classes should accept their roles and perform their respective duties. (google)
Using these definitions, it would appear to me that the USA has indeed become a Fascist country.......
I should add that there is middle ground. Fortunately we live in a republic, but you might be right.
We used to live in a Republic. Lincoln's attack on the seceding states ended the republican part of the republic by imposing powers not afforded to him over the decision of the member states and the judicial branch. The creation of the Federal Reserve put us on the road to a corptocracy. FDR and latter LBJ, finally killed the republic by using executive powers to wipe his ass with the Constitution, ignore and intimidate the courts and setting up a corptocratic framework where the connected got the real wealth and the subjects got the scraps off the table and learned to thank him for them.
I might be new here, but I already have you tagged as an egocentric jackass.
Fascism: often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
That is Webster's, not Beck.
Bush: If you are not with us you are with the terrorists
Patriot Act
Warrantless Surveillance
Exponential growth of the Federal Power, specially executive power (yeah, MaObama is worst)
TARP
Campaign Finance Law
TSA
No child left behind
BTW:
Socialism: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
Capitalism: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market.
Read a fucking dictionary every now and then and you would not drown in your own self imposed ignorance.
You can parrot a dictionary, but I don't think you know what any of those words actually mean.
WOW, outstanding brilliance! I counter your argument with actual dictionary definitions that disprove your point and your response is that the dictionary doesn't really means what it says?
Because, clearly, if the dictionary definition doesnt agree with your point it must be because those reading it can not possibly understand it.
elitist shitbag!
It's okay, you're not the only victim of new-speak.
Bush is a Corporatist.
Bush is Bush and that's damning enough in itself.
So if a socialist says we should let the too big to fail banks go under, you will disagree?
Stop trying to get people to think with their own minds.
trick question: a socialist would nationalize
Possibly but not necessarily. Plenty would just love seeing the capitalists fail. I try to judge an argument on its merits, not dismiss them simply because of the source.
correction- socialists DID nationalize
MM (sigh....) it might be a good idea for you to become familiar with the generally accepted meaning of the word "socialist" (and more to the point, as it refers to Bernie).... before you post "absolute" statements like "a socialist would nationalize"......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialist
Are you STILL beating your wife? Argue fairly or not at all.
That statement says a lot about you MarketMinds.
You are a mindless sheep , an unthinking automaton accepting party line without thought and without question.
You have subscribed to an ideology, which has become your identity.
You have no spine and you are incapable of critical thought.
A sheep pure and simple. A pathetic excuse for a man.
you forgot to call him a "neocon" or whatever the latest rant is.
you did get in a pretty long list, though
label me whatever you want, im a libertarian, as stated above, all other labels are for YOUR personal satisfaction, as i dont give a shit what you or other label me as.
For someone not concerned about labels you sure throw them around with conviction.. Garbage.. I consider myself a libertarian as well.. I've yet to disagree with anything Sanders has said on this issue.. Save the fact i'm against ALL income tax on a moral basis.. and I do not want the UE benefits extended as I believe they will prevent Americans from addressing the fundamental issue of employment in this country.. But the vast majority of what he is saying is spot on..
I do not want the UE benefits extended as I believe they will prevent Americans from addressing the fundamental issue of employment in this country..
I am gradually coming to share this point of view, but there will be real pain and suffering. That consideration has "tempered" my thought process and a concern that in the end, even that will NOT accomplish a "redress" of our employment issues....
that as a great rant. bravo
Glad to see you are an independent thinker, feel free to turn on your brain at your convenience
I see a lot of empty seats.
Lost Cause ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAjDmw6IrFg&feature=related
Get that man a bindle - gonna be a long day.
wow. You can watch them stammer around their own idiocy live. Usually you only get soundbites.
I though the days of actual filibusters were long gone. I think Sanders is a full-on rainbow and unicorn buffoon but I got to hand it to him for kicking it old school like this. Drain your bladder, dehydrate and head for the podium with the phone book...and give it to 'em until they cry uncle!
I hope this bill dies anyway. Too half-ass. This is why you can't ever get excited about Republicans. Seeing them in action is like watching Monty Python's Upper Class Twit sketch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqObJtGrKaA
Wait a month until after you have a majority fellas, then you negotiate. Sheeesh.
Right! The two halves are sh!t and shinola. What was needed was raise taxes AND CUT LARGE SWATHES OF SPENDING!
O, that this too too solid flesh would melt
Thaw and resolve itself into a dew!
Or that the Everlasting had not fix'd
His canon 'gainst self-slaughter! O God! God!
How weary, stale, flat and unprofitable,
Seem to me all the uses of this world!
"...a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
O brave new world that has such people in it!
The American political system is a farce...just the name; Filibuster. It is so silly.....
foundering fathers....yeah G8...old man making a joke of himself is what it seems to produce.
ROFL, at least it is more interesting than CNBS! Sanders cracks me up. Sometimes he sounds more capitalist than the republicans (when using traditional metrics), and sometimes he sounds like a loon.
Poor Tim Wood.
New highs for transports.
Dick Head Robert Prechter said to short the market again at around Oct 24. Another shitty call.
He should have said, " Just buy the fuckn dip ". Best verbal line of the year.
Mr Sanders goes to Washington
Mr Sanders goes to Washington
A film about an awkward yet handsome young man who travels to Washington DC and speaks truth to power: it's finger licking good!
What a fucking cunt. Can't he just keel over and die or something. Maybe Mary Landrieu can go give him a hug and smother him with her jowls...
He is entertaining....because he is so f'n stupid. He just perpetuated the old myth that both parents have to work to afford life in America. Moron. The cost of life in America is primarily driven by our choices, our expectations, our selfishness, and, flat out, our stupidity with money.
Zombie America, clutching at cliche's and socialists, lying to ourselves every minute of the day, and watching the bouncing...ball, Iphone, label, fad, burrito, insert anything vapid...as we try to justify our hollow selves. Here is a clue...you are hollow because...you are hollow!
Good lord, just let it collapse already. With all the layers of lawyers and fraudulent bankers, and mall store freakin' operators and crap upon crap, dunces layered upon dunces, and TRUTH NOWHERE TO BE SEEN...just let it fall away, please.
Exactly!
You guys are ignorant, sorry. Yes, materialistic choices are a problem. But most of the problem is the stagnation of wages due to ludicrous bonuses for the top .1%. Bankers helped hide this by substituting easy credit for actual wage increases. The push to break unions and lower the minimum wage is another part of the plan. Good luck living on even 3 incomes in a family once we're like India and there's no middle class left.
You do not know what you are talking about...sorry in return. Let me guess, you are posting from a Chipotle while porking down 250 grams of carbs and calling it health food? No? From an iphone at an Apple store all a twitter about how slim the newest laptop is.
The artificially high minimum wage KILLS JOBS, buddy. Just one example of what you do not seem to understand.
On bankers, we can agree...but that is NOT why two income families are all the rage in America.
I would say it has more to do with the depreciation of the dollar due to the increasing deficit. No matter what our minimum wage is it can't compete with 3rd world country's cheap labor. Corporations are given incentives to operate there and avoid paying their share of taxes in the U.S.. With the IMF, World Bank, U.S. gov. working for the corporations why would they be interested in reinvesting in the U.S.. I agree that the consumers are supporting this but not the cause of it, but rather the corporations relentless pursuit of bigger profits.
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Nope, it doesn't. Again, real economic data contradicts propaganda.
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2010/10/does-a-higher-m...
Let me guess, you also think "tax cuts create jobs". Fool.
Wow that's news to me! How enlightening! In that case, we should raise minimum wage to $1,000,000/hour. It won't create unemployment, right? No way stealing less money from people creates jobs; as a matter of fact when we let the government steal more jobs and allocate the money like they do so well we are on the road to full employment and flowers/unicorns. Your minimum wage argument is a joke, by the way. When a price is kept artificially high above the intersection of supply and demand schedules, it must fall for the surplus to clear. That goes for the price of labor as well as anything else. I'm sure it's not your fault though, your entire understanding of economics is probably that "printing money shifts the AD curve to the right".
You're the idiot who suggested that, not me. Thanks for putting ridiculous words in my mouth, though. As with everything, there's a balance.
Supply and demand does not explain many aspects of economics. You need to read more. Start with “The Wisdom of Crowds” by James Surowiecki.
Did I say something incorrect?
Yes.
Lets see... maybe the facts don't support your conclusions, or your logic is circular? (and you were ugly about it)
And you need to read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, ISBN: 978-0-517-54823-3 -- there's a whole chapter devoted to minimum wage issues.
So then if only China could implement a minimum wage as high as ours, all would be well in the world?
Wow, the solution is so simple! Since money is so easy to conjure up, and as we all know conjured up money = wealth, why don't we just print trillions of dollars and hand them out to everyone? We'd all be rich then!
>>artificially high minimum wage KILLS JOBS
>Nope, it doesn't
You're an idiot. Instead of posting rubbish, why not try learning Economics 101? There's plenty of free material online; I recommend Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson".
Government price fixing always generates gluts or shortages. To set a price floor for labor results in a glut of available labor, i.e. unemployment. If minimum wage is raised slightly, it is jobs on the margin that are lost. If minimum wage is raised infinitely high, i.e. all labor is outlawed, then all jobs will be lost.
Fortunately, the US government only controls a small part of the world. The result of its attempts to artificially increase the price of labor is that jobs are destroyed in the US and then recreated outside of US. The US government prohibition on cheap labor has also created a black market for labor in this country and also an increase in immigration. In short, freely acting people work around the attempts by the government to hamper the free market.
Furthermore, even if minimum wage laws could cure cancer, they would still be immoral. No one has a right to prevent me and another adult from agreeing to exchange a certain amount of money for a certain amount of labor.
Nope, it doesn't. Again, real economic data contradicts propaganda.
Minimum wage laws deny the right to work to people who can't or do not choose to produce at a level of $7.25/hour. For example, I know a couple of middle aged women who clean and provide other services for little old ladies. The little old ladies can't afford $7.25/hr and the women employed to help them feel adequately compensated.
Why do you want to put people out of work and kill Granny in the bargain?
Sure, keep cherry-picking your references, and keep calling others names for not being part of your collective; Let me guess, you are proposing "tax hikes create jobs". Let's not call you a fool or idiot since it is a very thing a fool or idiot will do when he is on a lower intellegence plane. Sure, I will turn on the AC so that you will take off your coat. I'm also sure you would build an beach resort in the antartica since freezing temp attract sun-bathers, or raise prices to attract buyers, all according to your wisest of logic.