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Water Leak Found At Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant

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Just out from Reuters:

  • WATER LEAK FOUND AFTER LATEST QUAKE AT JAPAN'S ONAGAWA NUCLEAR PLANT BUT NO CHANGE IN RADIATION LEVELS-NHK
  • WATER LEAKS AT ONAGAWA NPP FROM REACTOR 1,2 SPENT FUEL POOLS

Onagawa is the plant which as we disclosed earlier experienced an almost critical power failure following today's new earthquake off the Sendai coast. One wonders just how much "undisclosed" news will start leaking. Surely just as the shut down of America is sending futures surging, this news should levitate the Nikkei by a few percent.

Below is a video of the latest tremor from NHK

h/t HedgedIn

 


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Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:13 | Link to Comment CaptFufflePants
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That plant is also only 20km from the epicenter of last nights 7.4 quake (well 7.1 USGS)

 

And now they say there may be nore than one leak.

 

Anotgher update, Tohoku Electric: Water leaks at Onagawa NPP from Reactor 1,2 spent fuel pools.

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 05:53 | Link to Comment Vlad Tepid
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Not to hijack the thread but if you've been interested in the "map of radioactivity spreading over East Asian" that Tyler puts out, this will make you wet your pants.  It's a full timeline, worldwide. Just watch the spread...

http://www.bgr.bund.de/cln_151/nn_322882/DE/Themen/Seismologie/Atmosphaer-Transport/Besondere_20Ereignisse/atm__fukushima__inhalt.html?__nnn=true

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:09 | Link to Comment BigJim
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That page might be quite scary if you could understand German.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:50 | Link to Comment sullymandias
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You should try the web browser named "Chrome". When I go to that page, it says at the top, "This page appears to be in German. Would you like me to translate it for you?"

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:12 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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If you read the New York Times article I link here (with excerpt), the radiation, as admitted on basis on anonymity by Japanese Official, the radiation at Fukushima Daiichi is so high that it is frying TEPCO's equipment preventing them from being able to get radiation readings.

The prior version of the article tonight also had the last sentence since removed, also, which stated that pieces of the core rod were being buried by bulldozers to keep people passing by "from being cooked" (see below; I provide links and Google still has cache results if you search using that last sentence).

This is a damn cover-up.

 

Powerful Aftershock Complicates Japan's Nuclear Efforts

While a spokeswoman for Tokyo Electric dismissed the analysis, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency of Japan agreed that it was possible that the core had leaked into the larger containment vessel.

The possibility raised new questions. The Nuclear Regulator Commission said that its speculation about the flow of core material out of the reactor vessel would explain high radiation readings in an area underneath, called the drywell.

But some of the radiation readings taken at Reactors Nos. 1 and 3 over the last week were nearly as high as or higher than the 3,300 rems per hour that the commission said it was trying to explain, so it would appear that the speculation would apply to them as well. At No. 2, extremely radioactive material continues to ooze out of the reactor pressure vessel, and the leak is likely to widen with time, a senior nuclear executive said.

“It’s a little like pulling a thread out of your tie,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect business connections in Japan. “Any breach gets bigger.”

Flashes of extremely intense radioactivity have become a serious problem, he said. Tokyo Electric’s difficulties in providing accurate information on radiation are not a result of software problems, as some Japanese officials have suggested, but stem from damage to measurement instruments caused by radiation because it exceeds the maximum dose that they are designed to measure, the executive said.

“It’s killing the measuring equipment,” he said. “They’re blaming it on software — it’s their meters getting cooked.”

Broken pieces of fuel rods have been found outside of Reactor No. 2, and are now being covered with bulldozers, he said. The broken pieces may be from rods in the spent-fuel pools that were flung out by hydrogen explosions.

Keith Bradsher contributed reporting from Hong Kong, and Matthew L. Wald from Washington.

 

This had been in the original article (I can prove it), but has since been removed by the New York Times:

 

"They're running bulldozers around to bury the stuff so it doesn't cook people going by," he said.

 

It was the last sentence of the article as of 7:40 pm on April 7th and has been since removed.

Here is a link with the last sentence NOT since redacted:   

Why would the New York Times redact that last sentence?

If you google it ("They're running bulldozers around to bury the stuff so it doesn't cook people going by," he said.), it comes up in Google's cache results, still.

This is but one example:

http://2012indyinfo.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/powerful-aftershock-complic...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment CaptFufflePants
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Why would the New York Times redact that last sentence?

 

Because they probably got a call from their State Department friends and asked that it be removed on behalf of a request from someone "important"

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Milstar
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American media generally does not withold information at request of the government, unless a life is directly at stake.  I'm guessing they could not confirm that last sentence and were called out on it.  The media will always run a juicy story if they can get it.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment notexactlyhuman
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This is the NYT we're talking about, not Rolling Stone or Exiled.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 06:27 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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You're joking right? If not then transport back to Nibiru before the radiation gets you

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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I had the bottoms of my boots come apart once.  Very hot operating floor.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Element
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A major downplay TiS, yes, a cover up, no.

Frankly, I think the window of opportunity to stop SFP smokers is closing pretty fast now.

I don't like it, I sure don't want it, but it's going to have its way with eastern Asia.

 

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment samsara
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I still believe that one of those explosions we saw blow up,  also blew up one of those cooling swimming tanks full of rods all over the place.  One of those arial photograghs  sure looked like it showed rods laying on the roof for example.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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 One of those arial photograghs sure looked like it showed rods laying on the roof for example.

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Bzzzzt!

What size are those rods?

About the diameter of - a garden rake?

And - what size were those 'rods' you saw?

 

QED

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:12 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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Reactor bldg #3

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:28 | Link to Comment samsara
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The prior version of the article tonight also had the last sentence since removed

That's why during the Bush years,  I got used to copying an article when I first saw it, to a word doc on my hard drive.  Especially pictures. 

Things change quickly in virtual space.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Raynja
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You know its a cover up because within a couple hours of this earthquake we were told an israeli attack on the gaza strip is imminent. Please do not look behind the curtain......

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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This spent fuel storage plant was running on backup power earlier today, I don't know the status of it now, I looked around and couldn't find anything.  It has 3,250 tons of spent nuclear fuel on site.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/04/more-on-rokkasho-reprocessing-plant-i...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment franzpick
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Mr. Market:  The podium is yours !

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Hard1
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If there is a new radioactive leak, then there is a technical confirmation of the bullish signal. Dow 38,000 trillion (srry constant 2010 dollars)

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment FreeMoney Bernie
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Is that the new REM value of the DOW

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Madhouse
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Truth be told... shifting weight of fresh water melt has ripple impact on this little blue ship we call Earth... can someone confirm spike in seismic activity... huge hurricanes suspected this fall in the southern US...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment strenue
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Sorry - stupid iPhone- junked you in error

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:23 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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That's an ID 10T error..  re-junk and take it back..

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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A helpful ZHer posted a link to that NRC update on Fukushima Daiichi that caused all the ruckus the other day: http://bit.ly/eEDZn1

A wealth of information in there....notes on first read:

Spent fuel pool in Unit 1 said to be mostly over 12 years old, so little decay heat left.  If true, a good break as it pretty much takes one pool out of the picture.

Core slump and salt encrustation at all of the cores, 1-3.  They all melted at least partially.

Very hot temps in the reactor vessels.  NRC notes that these are probably 'metal readings' i.e. outside temps which lag internal temps considerably. 

All of cores 1-3 lack structural integrity to hold water more than halfway up, meaning the remnants of the fuel rods will keep sticking up out of the water.  Frankly I don't think there is any way to cool that down in that configuration, just balancing the water 'at their feet' against the exposed portion to maintain some kind of high-temp stasis.  Strange and not very stable situation.

The fuel rod partial exposure/partial immersion means that hydrogen will continue to be produced.  That's why they're interested in nitrogen purges at least periodically, and continued venting.  That's pretty hot radioactive venting.  I like this: "Avoid atmospheric thermal inversion (in the afternoon) when venting to minimize dose."

Similarly, fuel rod exposure in the cores means that a steady stream of fission gas is likely to continue--i.e. 'the plume'--along with a steady stream of radioactive water--i.e. 'the other plume'.

The pools in 2 and 3 apparently have water in them.  But they are still pretty hot--52 C in pool 2 or 125 F.  Pool 3 they say is low despite watering, no temp reported.  This is tricky, it's still unclear what fission gas emissions could be coming out, vs. water leaking vs. sort of OK.  They say pool 3 could also have ejected material. 

Pool 4 is also tough to figure.  They say the water is 'cool' but heating up fast.  Those rods were definitely damaged badly. 

It seems like the NRC team is good with reactors but not so detailed on the pools.  My question is, what the hell is all that steam if the pools are 'cool'?  Are the rods hot but the water is sufficient in volume that it's like the ocean-lava interactions we've all seen on TV from Hawaii?  The steam, in that case, is still carrying cesium etc.  I will research more on that point (emissions from pools with water) as even a well-managed pool has to filter the air and monitor the radiation levels in the water.  Without ventilation/filtering systems the pools could be participating in source term release--sorry, putting bad shit into the air.  Not sure how much though.

Finally, it's hard to imagine bringing the cores 'under control' in any serious way given the damage.  Status quo appears to be the best case here, and it's not at all OK from a public health standpoint.  More needs to be done on informing and advising the public.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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Really appreciate your posts and I do like it when you put things like "putting bad shit into the air".  Helps me "get it".

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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Jim:

Pools that become partially uncovered temporarily can create some flash vapor off the uncovered portions of the rods, if they have enough thermal energy left in them. Just a possibility.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Pretty much every shot I see of Unit 4's pool it looks like dry ice at a Def Leppard concert.  Water, OK, I believe them...but not a quiet swimming pool.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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No, is is not the kiddie pool. The NRC is very worried about #4 pools...in fact, that seems to be their main worry at this time. Hopefully, the US military micro-robot they are planning to send in can get a better reading on the situation. In addition to being able to provide video, it is being equipped to record radiation quantity and types.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:19 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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#4 is also the only SFP they have access to.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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In addition to the NRC report, Arnie Gundersen has linked to an AREVA report at his website.

I just finished the NRC report...working through the AREVA one now....and they're very different :).

 

http://fairewinds.com/content/3-2011-areva-fukushima-report

 

It's been linked here already, but for anyone that missed it here's Arnie Gundersen's latest video.  Worth the time I believe...

 

http://fairewinds.com/home

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 02:22 | Link to Comment worms eye view
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Thank you for this post and your other input on ZH.  It seems the info I get from ZH and your posts (among others) keeps at least some objective observations and commentary coming in the face of what seems to be media whitewash.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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At least there was no massive tsunami ....

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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What are the blue lights from the 12 to 20 seconds mark?  It looks like Fukushima is about 60 kms or 35 miles south of Sendai but I don't know what direction that camera is pointed.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:33 | Link to Comment knukles
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Probably plasma arcing associated with conditions sililar to the neutron beams.  Common physical, visual maifestation of critical/semi-critical mass/energy decay/distribution.
If so, it's more simply described as a situation which you thought couldn't get worse, just got worser and is likely to go to hell, do not pass sanity, loose a bazillion people and a good chunk of the planet..... unfortuantely, answered in all sincerity. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:17 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Probably plasma arcing associated with conditions sililar to the neutron beams. Common physical, visual maifestation of critical/semi-critical mass/energy decay/distribution.

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I'm thinking that the camera taking that imagery wouldn't have been there to catch anything after that if what you purport were true ...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Arc from transformer failure.  See it all the time in videos of tornados in populated areas.  Quick example from YouTube, '34 kV switch failure'

http://youtu.be/vCpH19TkMqo

They arc and blow pretty impressively at night.  That's why the power goes out, usually. 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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I was in Iran in 1962 during the 7.1 earthquake there - oddly enough, sitting in a Pan American 707 on the tarmac waiting to take off - when the quake hit. Outside the airport was some 7200 volt lines that swung together and caused a series of brilliant blue flashes....right bofore everything went dark. That is what it looks like to me.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:52 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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I agree with both of you that it was probably transformers or wires but that flash in the video is a few miles away and the flash is incredibly large. It must have been something big is all I'm saying.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Arc from transformer failure.

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More than likely those are actual lines arcing, as occurs after high and erratic winds, a car striking a power pole or, EQ activity, not actually "transformers"; when transformers 'go' you will also see the oil ignite, w/flames.

But, everybody says "transformers", because they do not understand that the 'arc' phenomenon can be so brilliant ... and the blue coming from Oxygen in the air; the oil won't be anywhere near as 'blue' during combustion ...

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment nah
Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment nonplused
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Maybe they can pour a giant concrete man made ski hill over the site and host the 2018 nuclear winter olympics?  Exposure readings on the hill should be no more than a snowborder recieves in a lifetime of broken wrist and hip x-rays. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment bud-wiser
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Which is better: to see the trigger being pulled, grab your suddenly aching chest, and drop dead?, or to stop in the middle of the street while gazing at the sky, grab your suddenly aching chest, and drop dead?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Incubus
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I'd probably want to die out in the ocean.  I imagine it's a nice way to die, once you've accepted your own fate: just let yourself be consumed by an endless blue.

 

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment DonutBoy
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I love ZH, but let's not refer to the shutdown of the government as the shutdown of America.  That's just offensive.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:26 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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Instead, Let's refer to the shutdown of the guberment as the opening of America. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Professor Hindsight
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As someone mentioned eariler Buy The Fucking Disaster.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:25 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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The late-night Magnitude 7.4 aftershock off the coast of Miyagi Prefecture severed the submarine (read: under water) power cable that transmits electric power from Hokkaido Electric Power Company to Honshu (Japan's main island), according toYomiuri Shinbun (11:12AM JST 4/8/2011).

The cable spans 43 kilometers under the Tsugaru Strait, 300 meters from the surface of the ocean. The cable is 14 centimeters in diameter, and it has a capacity of 600,000 kilowatts.

Hokkaido Electric Power Company has been sending power through this cable facility to Honshu since the March 11 earthquake.

Over 3 million households in Tohoku are still without power due to the aftershock on April 7.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Element
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I'm glad you can speak nipponese in that link Pete

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Allow me for a moment to speak for the people of northern Japan when I say: FUCK!

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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I take it then at least 1 plant and 1 storage facility are without power for the foreseeable future.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Wti crossed 111 silver just crossed 40

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Element
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Is this what they mean by crack-up boom?

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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NIKKEI up 90 pts. I don't know why I am still being amazed by these markets but wow.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:36 | Link to Comment UncleFurker
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Am I correct in assuming that the oceans currents running past Japan go north, the east across the Pacific, arriving at Canada, then running down the west coast of the USA and Mexico before heading back across the Pacific?

Awkward.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:14 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Great article.  I infer two things:

1. The Great Pacific trash pile will grow exponentially.

2.  There will be physical confirmation that the radiated water made the trip as well.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:39 | Link to Comment knukles
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Hate to say it, but this is sounding eerily familiar, folks.

In the real world, there are no/few/whathefuckeverhowmany truly Gaussian or Poisson distributions, for most many/most/a lot/enough for the sake of this shit, are leptokurtotic. 
So, as one meanders merrily out towards the tails, there are new and big bulges that all of a sudden pop up, like when I've been staring at Deta von Teese for too long.  But anyhow, these bulges should/could/just stay with me here for a moment, I'm trying to help, be viewed as their very own little special additional non-Gaussian/Poisson but yes, again, leptokurtotic distributions.
And once one gets cast therein, assuming the sticky state of reality, almost as if it were a condition similar to stasis, then experiences tend to remain bounded therein, within their own extremes.  
It's as if (And probably is near to the truth, but so far I appear to be the only person working on it at this moment... or at least posting it right here if that makes anybody feel any better.  Which it should not.) the fractalius nature of events (naturally occurring in mother nature, no different that pi and a few other constants, limits and associated and randomly but not really assorted givens) takes hold.
So we get stuck therein, so to speak.
Think of it as a Ground Hog Day condition. 
Which may not be easy from which to escape.  So, now that we are here (not about to enter, but experiencing in actuality, real time, now) in an apparently major/the clusterfuck of reality, one can assume that within extreme conditions and given the very illogical, ego driven, emotional nature of the human condition (generally piss poor) that we'll be seeing much more of the same.
So, whatever's worked for you recently, will likely persist as we continue to experience a period of significant turmoil.  Sorta "the Fourth Turning meets the Book of Revelations and Murphy's Law. (Hereby termed Bozo's Law)

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 05:20 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Translation:  It's always darkest just before it's completely black! :>(

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:20 | Link to Comment knukles
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Ah, yeah.  That's kind of pessimistic, but may well define the segment of reality in which we currently reside.  Figger it this way.  If the tail of a distribution has extremes and that in order for the numeric count to be experienced such that reality does indeed at least mimic somewhat the past and hold some predictive precedent, then there needs be a number of extraordinary "nasties".  So, it may not in fact be at all out of the ordinary to assume that we reside for the moment in one of the most extreme of a series of events comprising a leptokurtoic bulge the are indeed seemingly unordinarily extreme by the laws of Nature and Nature's God.  In other words, it is not illogical to assume that the current period of socio-politico-economic turmoil is for the moment, unusual in its distinctly unusual nature.
Gives new meaning to the term "the new normal." 

Now, further to your point, if we apply Murphy's Law or the old admonition that things come in threes (amongst other pearls of similar ancient sage advice, which is why they are indeed held to be such) then what is transpiring on the broad social-economic-political spectrum my indeed be the mere precursor of events.  Have we entered the worm hole, imagine in a picture of a roller-coaster at the top of the curve about to drop 1000's of feet straight down with a big red arrow pointing at us next to the proverbial "You are here." notation?
What we do not know is if this is in essence insted of a roller-coaster a jet fighter, full power dive, perpendicular to the earth, 150% full military power, options none, no Martin-Baker equipment.
The Fourth Turning meets The Book of Revelations and Murphy's Law....

Look, it's like when we as humans snap when things get "bad".  Its not the major singular problem or challenge which breaks the camel's back, but a seemingly unending water torture of small events which causes the derision, consternation and panic.  This may be the event where the frequency of the dripping of the water torture represents the harmonic, but the drops are each and individual, simply significant in magnitude.
A true Black Swan period.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Pablo Escobar
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I posted this earlier about Daiichi.  Please someone tell me I am wrong, as the implications are horrific.  Really, really horrific.

 

I'm sorry, the worst, most dangerous crisis of the past 1000 years, and there are, count them, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7, yes that is fukuSilly correct, 7, I repeat f'ng 7 workers at the plant.

There should be 1000s.  There are 7. 

Do you understand?  7 for three nuclear reactors in meltdown mode.

 

They have abandoned the plant, and we are in the largest Kabuki theater ever imagined!

 

7!

 

OMG!

 

What happened to the 3 shifts of the rotating FukuSilly 50?  All dead?  Home kicking back and drinking a slightly radioactive Ichiban?

7.

 

There must be some sort of mistake.

 

All seven of the workers at Fukushima Daiichi were safe, a spokesman for plant operator Tepco told a news conference in Tokyo.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13005110

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Element
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4 weeks from the quake and 20 days since No.2 spilt its guts ... given the rad readings we know about since March 15th, I'd not be surprised if numbers of people, technicians etc, are now falling ill.

I would be surprised if they were not.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:45 | Link to Comment Incubus
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When are they going to let the proles sign up to become irradiated meatbags?  I'd sign up for it.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:54 | Link to Comment knukles
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Deep breath, Pablo.   At times such as these that try men's souls dearly, statements are oft made under the cruelest of conditions best referred to as "Dr. Freud speaking."  Indeed, my sense id that this is one of those moments, and you amongst few, have caught it.
It simply refers to the moment when the truth was indeed outed, however or whether intended.
Indeed, possibly only seven.

Another fractalized leptokurtic sticky experience within a distribution from hell.    

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment Pablo Escobar
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The original 50 brave souls were later joined by 150 colleagues and rotated in teams to limit their exposure to the radiation spewing from over-heating spent fuel rods after a series of explosions at the site. They were today joined by scores more workers.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367929/Will-nuclear-officials-reveal-true-heroics-Japans-Fukushima-Fifty.html#ixzz1Iu1Qyjvg

 

So I guess these 200 and scores are all dead and/or too sick to work?

 

Remember when Tepco said they were abandoning the site, and someone (US?) told them in no uncertain terms to get back into the game and do something?  I think they used the helicpopter once the next day, and it disappeared, never to be seen or proposed again.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:17 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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"So I guess these 200 and scores are all dead and/or too sick to work?"

So another 400K - (200 and scores), and the problem will be solved.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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That did sound wierd but they meant 7 that were out 'n' about doing stuff among the damaged areas near midnight.  There's about 300 in their 'secure building' or nearby off site and about 15-20 in the 'central control room' which is not right by the reactors but is a plant-wide monitoring point.  I can try to source that if it's bugging people.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:00 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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They seem to be comfortable enough with the situation to run a skeleton crew doing monitoring at night, with major ops going on in daylight. That is my understanding.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:39 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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It doesn't make any sense to me. Seven people out  doing what? All the instrumentation (such as it is) is remote. The control rooms are too hot to enter. The article said water injection was automatic, continued when the seven evacuated. Is it conjectured that 300 workers are sleeping in a warehouse on site, all wake up in the morning and put on their zoot suits for work? Doing what?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:08 | Link to Comment john2011neb
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the radiation levels are so hot they are probably sending in very small teams for very short periods of times...it just shows you the reality of how radioactive the site has become in one month without cooling systems.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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by Pablo Escobar on Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:36 #1148387

I posted this earlier about Daiichi. Please someone tell me I am wrong, as the implications are horrific. Really, really horrific.

I'm sorry, the worst, most dangerous crisis of the past 1000 years, and there are, count them, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, but 7, yes that is fukuSilly correct, 7, I repeat f'ng 7 workers at the plant. There should be 1000s. There are 7.

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Maybe this explains things; posted earlier by:

    CitizenPete, on Fri, 04/08/2011 - 02:51 #1148928 

"Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8

 

Only 112 some odd microS/hr just 1.5 km (one point five km) from the Daiichi plant.

 

 

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Element thanks for your input. Thanks for taking the time.

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Fix It Again Timmy
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3 are on vacation, but will be back on Monday...

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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An Interesting article about planned dismantling of Fukushima plants:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/world/asia/08toshiba.html?_r=1

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:53 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Ari - any comments about Fukushima Daiichi, the allegations of a Japanese insider speaking to the NYT and saying radiation readings can't be had because the level is so high that it's frying TEPCO's meters?

Or what about Gundersen's latest update, where he alleges a cover up and a statement by Areva that this is among the worst catastrophes in modern times unfolding during a private meeting?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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I doubt it would "fry" their meters, but I have seen situations where meters get hit with radiation that goes beyond their range. Most instrumentation for regular use only goes up to a cartain range, since you want precision in the normal working range. In my experience, there were always "bulk" rangers available for emergencies.

I do not really know anything about Gunderson's statement. I disagree with a few things he says, mainly that tellurium is solid evidence of re-criticality. It might be, but there is a normal scenario that explains why it may not be. I once made the statement here that I thought it was, and then was informed by a nuclear physisist that it may not be. I just wonder if some of the statements that come out may suffer from a loss in translation failure mode. maybe they are talking about the quake/Tsunami/ nuclear situation. If they are, I agree.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:50 | Link to Comment SgtSchultz
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Ari - terrific posts. 

I have not heard anything recently about the use of robots for radiation detection.  I seem to recall that a US team was sent over some time ago but I have not noticed any coverage.  Do you believe that the conditions are too difficult for their effective use?  Or might the temperatures simply be too high?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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US military has robots hardened against radiation and high tempts. This particulard rone flies, it is called the T-Hawk. here is the link:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110408a5.html

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:23 | Link to Comment SgtSchultz
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Ingenious!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:44 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Finally!!  First evidence I've seen that someone is planning to get remote controlled drones on site for the purpose of getting inside the reactor structures.

I've been wondering why they didn't have about eight of these running sorties as fast as the batteries could be recharged starting the first week:

 

http://www.draganfly.com/?gclid=CPKfzfeajKgCFQQ7gwodyFkoDA

 

Off-the-shelf technology with HD video, infrared and starlight/low light imaging packages all ready to go for about $20,000 a pop.

 

At 35cm diameter the military version is smaller (Draganflyer spans a meter) and can probably fly into tighter spots....but sheesh...I still wonder what's taken so long?

 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment US Uncut
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It is metaphorical. Shutdown. But for MANY lives, in this time, it is a shutdown. Towns depending on tourism from the Federal Parks will be devastated. This is a MASSIVE symbol that the ENTIRE political system is BROKEN. So it is the shutting down of America. No jobs, high unemployment, massive debt and the government cannot stop it's wars an politiking so it is the shutdown of America and America's Psyche. 

Thu, 04/07/2011 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Thank you ZH posters, Tyler, for continuing to cover and comment on the Japanese nuclear crisis.

I personally lost a childhood friend in the quake and Japan always has a place in my heart.

The MSM seems to have given up on the daily details as it's boring or dragging on too long.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Very sorry for your loss. A few friends of mine have quite a few friends over there that they have not been able to reach since the 11th. Hoping for the best for them and the rest of Japan. This is all terribly sad.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment chump666
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Anyone got news on the hydrogen gas build up?

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Typical. Nikkei surging in the news. Does anyone else get knot in their gut when you read awful headlines next to stocks surging, shrugging off news?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment chump666
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BoJ money pumps.  A report came out hrs ago about Japans banks now fully on the BoJ repo taps.  Japan is now completely being financed by the BoJ

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:20 | Link to Comment chump666
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you got japan bulls say that stocks will stay bid for recovery.  i thinks it a bull trap. yen sinking, stocks rallying happening too quick.  

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Incubus
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Not anymore.  After the initial disgust, it sort of all just becomes routine. My appraisal of people hasn't changed much over the last decade.  We're all still pretty much bad.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Jeff Lebowski
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You're right on, of course.  Sickening... But this is also human nature in today's age. 

Unless you change your perspective to look at it for what it also is.  An opportunity.  To preserve capital, to secure food and ammo supplies, to protect your loved ones.

Because with every passing day, I find myself thinking more and more about 12/21/2012.  For whatever reason, man-made, mother nature, or more likely - a combination of the two...   I find greater plausibility.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:15 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Here, this may come in handy, it's a live global disaster map monitor thingy http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

...and this guy always has good info http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse#p/u/4/Apxq6E7xS8A

check out the rads from the rain on this guys car in Saint Louis Missouri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBcXIEYq9vg

Shakin all over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvBOKxBu9Qw&feature=related

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Ugh, more details from Onagawa.  I am out of fingers and toes to cross.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/08_20.html

Thursday's quake damages Onagawa nuclear plant

Tohoku Electric Power Company says Thursday night's strong earthquake caused water to overflow from spent fuel storage pools at one of its nuclear power plants.

The power company reported on Friday that water had spilled onto the floor at all 3 reactors at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi Prefecture. The amount of water spilled was 3.8 liters at the most.

The utility firm also found water leaks at 5 locations in the plant, including inside buildings housing the reactors.

The company added that blowout panels--devices designed to control pressure inside the buildings--were damaged at the turbine building of the Number 3 reactor.

The newly reported problems add to the downing of 3 of 4 external power lines at the Onagawa plant. The plant is maintaining its cooling capabilities with the remaining power line.

Tohoku Electric Power Company is continuing its efforts to determine the extent of the damage caused by the latest quake. But it says no change has yet been seen in radiation levels around the plant.

Friday, April 08, 2011 11:59 +0900 (JST)

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Aristarchan
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The only thing potentially worrisome here is the water leaks.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment Advoc8tr
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Oh come on ! How is it possible that the Nikkei has surged 250 points ... what the F is going on?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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For those of you astonished at the Nikkei surging, do you really have any doubt that the Japanese Working Financial Team is not buying trillions of yen worth of equities per day, financed by the BOJ?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:35 | Link to Comment chump666
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100% correct.

But await the sell when Japan's industries collapse on high oil costs and is officially bailed out by the IMF

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:38 | Link to Comment chump666
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the opposite to what those madmen at the MoF/BoJ  are doing is the YEN will tank and operational costs go through the roof for EVERY Japanese company.  Anything leveraged over there, which is the whole country, is FUBAR.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:44 | Link to Comment squexx
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So, if California has a 9.0+ earthquake, does it mean the DOW will go over 15,000?!?

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Monetative Easing
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Indeed.  And the zombie apocolypse will redeem Glassman and Hassett with Dow 36k shortly thereafter...

In all seriousness, its the worst kept secret that the Japanese markets have been rigged for decades.  Nikkei investors are second only to TEPCO employees in their willingness to soldier on in the face of disaster.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 00:53 | Link to Comment john2011neb
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Yes, the coverup started 2 weeks ago after TEPCO admitted they would have to scrap at least 4 reactors.

The very next day:

TEPCO, GE, Areva, IAEA, UN, the White House, EPA,  US military, Japanese government along with the nuclear industry to name most of the big players went into high gear coverup mode doubling their efforts to send out the "radiation is good for people" message along with status updates to make it appear as if the situation is stabilizing.  

The US mainstream media was told to downplay the crisis even more so than they had been, and in doing so they all missed the meltdown, they all missed the story of the century.  So much for "keeping them honest" I guess.  The EPA has their "nuclear is healthy" commericals running on their website and the "don't be afraid" message to ensure everyone that we just don't get enough radiation. But I doubt most people that are trying to get information about radiation levels are the ones freaking out.  We all know we can't rely on the government to look out for our safety.  We just want the numbers, not a lecture on how safe and harmless and not immediate the threat is to human health.  The people who are freaking out about this are TEPCO, GE, Areva, IAEA, UN, the nuclear industry, US mainstream media that have been trying to sugar coat the truth or just plain lie and hide it instead of acting like adults and simply putting a live feed at the site and on the radiation level monitors. 

They could shut us all up very quickly if they just installed live feed cams at the site showing the status of what is going on instead of all information starting like this "TEPCO said..." But no, they would rather tell us what's going on...and hey, whatever TEPCO says, if they dumped 5 million or 10 millions tons of whatever into whatever who's to question them...right?  I'm sure TEPCO has no interest whatsoever in hiding the truth of how much contamination is coming from the plant, right?  I wonder what would happen if I just decided I would pollute and then I could report how much I polluted and it all be good and no one would question my numbers at all.  I don't think that would cut it.  I wouldn't want it that way, and TEPCO should want someone to verify their numbers.

The problem is nuclear power plants don't do well when the cooling systems don't work.  You can try to lie about it and pretend that they can run well without their cooling systems.  But it doesn't take long before the truth rears it's sometimes ugly head, maybe in the form of a reactor building blowing sky high.  That's what Fukushima is showing us all.  How long can a nuclear plant go without cooling systems?  About 1 day before hydrogen explosions and meltdowns begin apparently.  And spraying water doesn't count for cooling systems, at best it only buys time until you run out of room for highly radioactive water.  Radiation levels have increased in the last week at the plant to the point where workers can no longer go into the reactor buildings...I think they mean forever.  Radiation outside the evacuation zone is dangerously high and even the Japanese government is asking pregnant women and children 40KM away to leave.  Pressure is rising in reactor 1 even with nitrogen injections and earthquakes are shaking what remains of the already weakened structures.  TEPCO still hasn't actually inspected the plant for any new cracks or leaks after the latest earthquake.  The containment structures and spent fuel pools are, well, you look at the pictures and tell me if that's what a stabilized reactor looks like.  Fuel rods have been blown sky high, and scattered all over the plant premises and temperatures in reactors have been 5000 degrees according to Areva and the NRC. 

 

There will be no cooling systems "restored" and therefore no cold shutdown as I said a week ago.  The only thing left to do now is to coverup (the truth about) how much radiation is escaping into the environment for many years to come. 

 

I can hardly wait for the next "expert" to go on record saying how clean and safe nuclear energy is and how much the situation at Fukushima Diiachi has improved. 

 

Now what about the Fukushima Diani plant - they have 3 reactors in high severity mode. 

And then there's the new problems at Onagawa...I'm sure everything will be just fine.  It sounds like building nuclear power plants on earthquake country is a really great idea. 

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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+1

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:31 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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coverup started 2 weeks 

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'coverup' not 100% effective if we're here discussing it, using information, photo imagery and some data 'they' have released ...

just sayin ...

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:51 | Link to Comment avonaltendorf
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John2011 speaks for me. Honest reporting would be live pix and data. TEPCO has been caught more than once dissembling and lying.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 01:35 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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I would also like to thank the many other contributors in this Fukishima dialogue. I deeply appreciate your concern and advice. Thank you Very Much.(Aristarchan) and all.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 02:51 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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anyone posted this yet??  Watch this - kinda interesting:

 


Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9iJ3pPuL8


Fri, 04/08/2011 - 04:17 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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Good video  CitizenPete. One thing those monitors get loaded, and the power supplies are questionable. Regardless. You did a good JOB!

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 05:36 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Man....sort of ...eerie.  Thanks for sharing.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Ident 7777 economy
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Should be required posted at the entry of the evac zone:

 

  Warning: Do not pet the radioactive dogs or cats!

 

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 05:40 | Link to Comment tomster0126
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Does this mean I should stop eating tuna?  I bet there's gonna be some crazy mutated sea monsters in Japan's deep waters now, even more f'ed up than the sick looking fish and creatures they have already.  Then they'll eat it and call it the Nuko Roll at sushi restaurants.

www.forecastfortomorrow.com

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 06:34 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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Here in Canada it is the same, The Harper government put a ban on all coverage I think cause man the info is scarce.

It is clear the nuclear industry is a powerful lobby because the media machine just ground to halt.

I am sure many editors had a horse placed at the foot of their beds.

Buy your Tuna now my friends. In fact,buy your canned humans as well cause being at the top of the food chain is a bitch

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:33 | Link to Comment DrunkenMonkey
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And if you think we're not getting the whole story, then pity the poor old chinese as they're getting the fallout but may never find out.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 08:59 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Higashidori plant in the far north had all three power lines knocked out, and as it was on emergency diesel power, fuel was found leaking from the diesel generator.  Two other on-site generators were down for maintenence.  External power was restored in four hours. 

They say they will use truck-mounted generators as a supplement in the future.

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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Dear lord, I'm trying to not get uppity about all of this but it is getting really difficult. What's the number of troubled plants now, 3 or 4 with questions about the retooling factory as well?!?

 

When is the international community going to get their asses together and realize this all has the potential to be a world wide catastrophe?!

I certainly don't believe in any of this 'end of days' nonsense but this lack of action is infuriating. Obviously the Japanese are overwhelmed and need our help.

As far as I'm concerned this situation in Japan should be headlines news until it is under control.

 

Fri, 04/08/2011 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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fitting I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOKIX8giFzk

One Sweet World lyrics

Nine planets round the sun
Only one does the sun embrace
Upon this watered one
So much to we take for granted

So let us sleep outside tonight
Lay down in the mother's arms
For here we can rest safely

If green should slip to grey
Would our hearts still bloody beat
If the mountains crumble away
And the river dry
Would it stop the stepping feet

Take all that we can get
When it's done
Nobody left to bury
Nobody left to dig the holes
And here we will rest safely

One sweet world
Around this star is spinning
One sweet world
In her breath I'm swimming
And here we will rest in peace.

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