...Weiss Chimes In: Verdict - C Minus

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Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:14 | 1459424 snowball777
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Somebody's gonna have to go to summer school.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:30 | 1459536 Ahmeexnal
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Downgraded by an outlet outta Jupiter.

You know TSHTF when you get downgraded from outta Ur-anus.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:51 | 1459654 ceilidh_trail
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Don't sell weiss short- they are actually excellent from what I've seen of their work over the past years. They don't have the cachet of JPM, MS, or GS, but they have been very prescient in their ratings on banks.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:26 | 1459886 Tom_333
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Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:40 | 1460587 Misstrial
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Agree, Weiss is good! And here is a link to the best bank/CU rating tool, imo:




Fri, 07/15/2011 - 18:14 | 1461083 JeffB
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They were the only rating agency that caught the problems of one of the major insurance carriers that went down. The others had them at AAA and were caught with their pants down.


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:00 | 1459749 bozzy
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Top humour! But Weiss do not employ fools....

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:34 | 1459566 Herd Redirectio...
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The Bernank?  Obongo?

Couldn't they just get Gideon Gono to come over and take control of the presses for a few days, to give The Bernank a well-deserved vacation?


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:15 | 1459432 pupton
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He "Junked" the US.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:17 | 1459442 Sutton
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My rating agency gives the US an F-.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:20 | 1459469 Seasmoke
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thats still a better grade than Obama got in college

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:41 | 1459614 TheTmfreak
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You don't know that because he won't release his transcripts.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:20 | 1459472 papaswamp
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Ah, finally a rating agency with brass balls (or ovaries).

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:28 | 1459494 virgilcaine
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So far and orderly stampede out of treasuries. Whats weird is the TLT chart is in a uptrend.. strange days indeed.  Even Martin paid the price for shorting them via TBT. -60%

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:37 | 1459596 pupton
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TBT will be a bad bet until suddenly it's not.  Sooner or later rates will go up, or TSHTF all at once and anything short paper wins. 

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:25 | 1459506 the not so migh...
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How can they do this, we have the best national leadership in the universe

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:59 | 1459740 carbonmutant
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Current administration excepted...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:27 | 1459515 Sudden Debt
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C.... like the third letter in the alphabet?

Like you went from A to C on a scale from A to Z?


Or is it from A to F?

but... but....



Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:27 | 1459522 Rainman
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but..but the Great Windbag just got done saying we are not Greece !!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:32 | 1459553 wandstrasse
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According to what I read recently, only Argentina is not Greece.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:30 | 1459540 Whatta
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Is Weiss relevant to anyone...other than their mothers, I mean.

Their rating isn't going to affect bond yields?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:30 | 1459541 slaughterer
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A gentleman's C- is too generous.  But does what Weiss says really matter?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:41 | 1459619 Bindar Dundat
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It took decades for Moodies and S&P to build a reputation.  They are thinking long term and will be a real ratings agency within five years.  So stick it up you AXX aXXhole.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:42 | 1459627 r101958
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It is, at least, one rating that is truthful.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:38 | 1459552 virgilcaine
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The Bond mkt will compress 20 yrs of Losses in a months time.  Like a pressure cooker, as of now it's not too 'concerned'.  its like sitting waiting for the Volcano to erupt.. could take a month or a year or two or remain dormant.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:34 | 1459570 chancee
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Here is how I see it playing out:  This whole debt ceiling mess will be what pushes below the 200 DMA, finally getting us moving on a panic correction that moves us down about 10-15% in the S & P, clearing the way for QE3 announcement by early September.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:35 | 1459573 RobotTrader
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Meanwhile, the 5-yr. yield stays pinned at 45-year lows.

Wow, I'm amazed how people are still piling into bonds despite one of the greatest stock market rallies ever.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:43 | 1459628 Boston
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Instead of piling in now, some of us are looking for the right time to exit our long positions.

It's been an amazing 6 month ride.  But, unless we get a major Risk Off episode soon, this trade is getting long in the tooth.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 14:54 | 1460425 DosZap
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Smart move.

Confusion say;

"Better out a year early, than a day late".

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 14:07 | 1460264 downrodeo
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don't take this the wrong way, but I'd wager that the things that amaze you could fill a big ass book :)

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:37 | 1459593 Ying-Yang
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TSA bond ratings... Don't touch my Junk

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:38 | 1459600 walküre
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Weiss is a scammer. Beware.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:39 | 1459607 I am Jobe
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Greenspan: Dumb Americans Deserve Unemployment


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:40 | 1459608 Caveman93
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Oh shit, here comes another letter from Barney Frwank. Weiss better brace themselves!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:42 | 1459625 shushup
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I guess Weiss holds no sway with the machines.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:46 | 1459653 FlyPaper
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Nothing new here.  

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:50 | 1459669 RobotTrader
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I'm amazed that there is huge fear yet the SPY is  hardly down from 3-year highs.


VIX is up 6 days in a row.

Three -1200 TICK readings the last 3 days with a blowout reading of over -1500 yesterday.

8 out of the last 10 days we have had TICK under -1000, on tap to break the records set in May and June of over 14 -1000 TICKs which produced that epic rally a few weeks ago.


Hard to believe there is this much fear, no public participation in stocks, yet we are still over 1,300 when it feels like we should be at 950 or lower.



Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:49 | 1459681 Frozen IcQb
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A's, B's, or C's...a least we're in the top three!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:53 | 1459706 thunderchief
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These people hate the USA and never rated this country AAA, even when it wasn't,  before the financial crisis.  So how can you trust them now?  A C rating says I Hate America and all it stands for.  Just like my fourth grade report card.  Where is Joe Mc Carthy when we need him.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:03 | 1460441 DosZap
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Where is Joe Mc Carthy when we need him.

Nailed to a wall, when he was DEAD on to begin with.......

Funny how history palys out, huh?.

The very SOB's he was pointing to/out, have taken us to perdition.Yet, still he is villified..............by the same one's that are killing us.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:57 | 1459727 Dr. Porkchop
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Uncle Sam, you betta take yo ass down to the welfare!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:13 | 1459768 NuYawkFrankie
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My own proprietary/patent-pending Holistic Rating Metrics (based on Presentation, Performance & Future Prosects) give a totally different  reading to that of Weiss - here goes:

PRESENTATION: Beautiful engravings on those T-Bills.. and the artwork on the 30yr gives me that naughty tingly feeling in the nether regions. So, yes - you guessed it, A+ for Presentaion!

PERFORMANCE: Spectacular performance over the last 20-odd years - and although that's no guarantee of future success- and no doubt some of youse here would trade her in for that tarted-up Swissie trollop - I just can't help gettin  hot and sweaty for the old gal!  So, yes, another A+ for Performance!

Future Prospects: I'm bettin that ol' Miss Titty Bond still has a few "tricks" up her petticoats - and I, for one, don't wanna miss out on the action. So yes - another A+.

And I'm giving another '+' for that "double header" she showed me with here step-sister Fannie all those years ago!



Your WelcomBe!





Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:07 | 1459790 PulauHantu29
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Mind your own business, Mr Weiss....no one asked you.


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:35 | 1459928 sbenard
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To me, this just confirms what an utter farce the other ratings agency ratings are! The US is insolvent, and they just keep trudging forward as if we aren't! S&P, Fitch, and Moody's are all frauds!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:46 | 1459972 PulauHantu29
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"...driven exclusively by the numbers..."

Yes, I was afraid someone would look at those...the numbers...mmmm...what can we do about the numbers.....

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 14:49 | 1460405 Dr. Porkchop
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yes.. well you could massage the numbers a little... or slip them a roofy and bend them over the hood of the car...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 13:39 | 1460160 Camtender
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Yes, after 27 years, Martin finally figured out on 9.23.2009 that there was no political will to stop the printing presses within a country with the World's reserve currency in a fiat money system, he was converted from deflation to inflation, thank you Jesus. 


This was at the cost of his customers/investors in the Weiss Research Million-Dollar Contrarian Portfolio.



Fri, 07/15/2011 - 22:29 | 1461510 honestann
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My rating for the USSA:  z-


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