What The Rout In MBS Means For Pimco And Broader MBS Investor Alternatives, As The Market Wakes Up To Risk

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Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:24 | 792741 Insiderman
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Oh, no, my ZH friends.  PIMCO has not failed because the Fed stands ready to defend with QE3.  Join my FB community page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-QE3/170960956269894

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 18:09 | 794090 Bob
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Nice idea. 

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:26 | 792755 SheepDog-One
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PIMPCO funds are getting monkey hammered? Whatever you do dont tell RoboTrader, he's ecstatic dry humping his LULU charts again and gushing over the IRE spectacular near $1 rise.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 14:10 | 793203 Let them all fail
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TRF got annihiliated yesterday!! (~-5%)

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 14:55 | 793341 Let them all fail
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Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:26 | 792758 Cognitive Dissonance
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The damage is already done.

As far as the Ponziis concerned damn the risk, full speed ahead with the printing presses. At this point, as planned nearly everyone is stranded in the same lifeboat. The Ponzi message is clear. Either jump in the water 100 miles from shore and die from exposure or hope and pray that Bernanke can make a bigger boat out of fiat currency and save the world only to play the same game all over again.

In a one game town, there is no way to win. Stop playing the game. Withdraw your consent.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:34 | 792802 spartan117
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I'm not buying anything except ammo these days. 

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:43 | 792844 Whizbang
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Check, finally someone I agree with. Cheaperthandirt.com has been having some great specials finally. I just picked up a thousand rounds for about 10$ a box

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:04 | 792927 buzzsaw99
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Sigh. +1

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:55 | 793145 Secunda
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That is funny. Don't forget the re-loading equipment!

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 15:31 | 793452 SheepDog-One
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Damn straight, spartan.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:42 | 792845 DoChenRollingBearing
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Stop worrying.  PIMPCO et al are TGTF (Too Governmental To Fail).  They´ll just print some more money!

Yes to buying ammo.  Gold and silver too.


CogDis, If/when the first TSA Agent gets really smacked, what do you think might happen?  Help wake us up?

My little pitty-pat (I am in Peru now) did not touch the junk, but someone will get abused at some point and will cold-clock a Fed TSA Agent.  OK, he will get 5 years, but will that kick off any resistance?

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 15:18 | 793419 Cognitive Dissonance
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Considering what has not kicked off resistance, I suspect the only thing that will rally the natives is a failure in the just-in-time deliveries to the grocery stores or a nationwide EMP pulse that knocks out the TV/Internet/radio/DirecTV etc entertainment.

But of course if the EMP happens, we won't know that the revolt has started will we?

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 18:28 | 794150 Bob
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There's a new CyberWar going on, CD.  Talk to me. 

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:33 | 792797 Quinvarius
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Pimpco is TBTF!  Ahhhhhh!  Stop slapping me!  I said what you wanted!  Okay.  I will go back on the street and earn now.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:45 | 792857 willien1derland
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ROLF! +100 - So who is da Pimp Daddy? El-Erian or Bill Gross? Thank you for the laugh!

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 12:52 | 792886 AccreditedEYE
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Sorry to hijak, but wouldn't it be simply poetic to see AAPL sell off hard into the Christmas holiday? LOL If risk comes ripping off, this pig will take it in the face squarely.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:01 | 792916 Tense INDIAN
Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:31 | 793059 hangemhigh
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it might be worth remembering who we are dealing with here.  this is the evil empire at work.

one of the things that has systematically driven this market higher is the short squeeze.

for the fed, all that matters is the bond market. equities are actually an afterthought.

the road to riches since September has been long silver and short treasuries.

if that trade were reversed, not only would the benster be happy, but so would the buttonmen at the fed's proxy bank where everyone wears silver shorts................

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:22 | 793023 thepigman
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Gross will secretly buy up the entire long end

of the curve just before the bernank

caps rates at 3.5% or so.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:37 | 793030 revenue_anticip...
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Categorized as: "Fools on the Hill" "PIMCO" "we are 100% sure" 

What The Rout In MBS Means For Pimco And Broader MBS Investor Alternatives, As The Market Wakes Up To Risk

ZH said:

"" What we are absolutely sure of, is that the plunge in MBS prices in the recent week has left the fund gasping for air. Recall that the TRF has increased its MBS holdings by $50 billion in the prior two months ""

...of course, after all, its ONLY 'OTHER PEOPLES MONEY'....but....but....i 'believed...'  SUCKERS...you gave THEM the money, YOUR money....ha ha ha ha ha aha asdasdfnmz,vcnsa;dflijuwas LOL lol..cough.. i THOUGHT that PIMCO was on the 'inside'....looks like THEY went '"ALL-IN'" without having a 'sure thing analysis/inside ("expert systems") knowledge!!!!!

PIMCO! can't be, no way - must be some very very clever trick THEY are doing, a 'tactical thing'  right? no?  1929 jumping out the windows, 100% sure guys...2010 Xmas...




Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:32 | 793063 DisparityFlux
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Hello Tim, yea it's Bill.

Say how's the work coming on the new 40-year Treasury?

Good?  Ok, anyway you can get Ben to back off talk on QE3?

No?  Well keep PIMCO in mind when you're ready to start selling the 40-year, we need to position ourselves for more curve flattening on the 10s30s.



Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:32 | 793065 carbon based unit
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dear mr. gross,


don't ever out us again.  we give you all that great insider info weeks before its released and how do you thank us?  lesson learned?  good.


happy holidays,

the bernank


Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:54 | 793142 DisparityFlux
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Good one.  No honor among thieves.

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 13:55 | 793143 thepigman
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Thu, 12/09/2010 - 14:09 | 793199 DonutBoy
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In order for pimco to lose mortgage rates have to stay elevated.  If mortgage rates stay elevated what's left of the housing market takes the next leg down.  That'll do serious damage to the banks and put more homes underwater, more strategic foreclosures.

I don't think the Fed is ready for any of that.  It would be a complete turnaround of everything they've done since the Lehmanmn collapse.  Save all the big players, reflate the housing bubble.  I think what's most likely here is that the Fed re-enters the MBS market as a buyer, keeps buying long treasuries to hold mortgage rates down, and pimco comes out ok.


Thu, 12/09/2010 - 15:18 | 793414 Inflate-It-Out-...
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I agree.  There's no way that rates will stay high for a prolonged enough period to really damage them because the Fed wont let it happen.  They levered up for a reason and I think we all know that Ben wouldn't let anything happen to one of his BFF's...



Thu, 12/09/2010 - 18:08 | 794085 Bob
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Shades of 2008.  Finance is becoming truly interesting again. 

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