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What's Wrong With Consumer Confidence?

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Fri, 10/30/2009 - 19:38 | 115721 Anonymous
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things are depressing for American workers but in the rest of the world it hasn't panned out to be so terrible. we were supposed to be in a bad economy by now but it's not so bad and is already getting better. Crazed real estate prices, debt and an iffy currency all have "USA" attached to them. how can there possibly be a Global Depression? Last year it seemed possible because it was such a "shock" to ordinary people who have a life and therefore no idea what a "credit default swap" is and thought the US invinceable. Now we have changed minds about ALL of that, which seems healthy not bad at all.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 22:00 | 115819 Marge N Call
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You're right by golly. Look, I see a rainbow out my window. And here comes a black girl and a white girl holding hands and singing "we are the world". Wow, and darn it, it look like world peace WILL come true after all.

Here comes my unicorn to take me to my job as the training dummy at the Miss Universe blowjob training camp. Awesome.



Fri, 10/30/2009 - 18:56 | 115682 TomJoad
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I'm very confident. Confident that we're screwed.


Jump! You Fuckers!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 18:55 | 115680 Anonymous
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After 9/11 several of my friends and I resolved to go to Afghanistan and fight. We were 18. We were talking to recruiters and our families about our plans, our resolve and the risks. Then Bush told us the best way we could serve our country was to go to the mall. Something inside me died that day...I realized there would be no shared purpose and sacrifice. It was everybody for themselves.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 18:47 | 115673 Anonymous
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Listen fool, in case u havn't noticed, most of us ARE sacrificing. At least those of us who were responsible, that is. We are watching our taxes being given away to the lazy, stupid, and culpable for this disaster among us. Further, our savings are being erroded by a fed that refuses to allow the inevitable to happen. I say let it burn, every damn bit of it. If there is killing, tough, i don't care---this shitty country has gotten to the point where the only thing that will fix it is to smash it and start over.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 18:26 | 115649 Brett in Manhattan
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Debt + Fear of Job Loss = Lack of Confidence

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 17:28 | 115598 George Washington
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The Economy Will Not Recover Until Trust is Restored

Americans no longer trust their politicians, the justice system, their ability to obtain liberty, or the media. Americans know that the boys launched the war in Iraq (which will end up costing $3-5 trillion dollars) based upon justifications which turned out to be untrue. Many Americans have read that the government imported communist Soviet Union torture techniques and then said "we don't torture". Many Americans also know that the government spied on American citizen (even before 9/11 ... confirmed here and here) while saying "we don't spy", and that the government apparently planned both the Afghanistan war (see this and this) and the Iraq war before 9/11.


Fri, 10/30/2009 - 21:43 | 115806 Anonymous
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Ah yes, another "I fell off the turnip truck on 1/21/01 and wondered why everything was suddenly so bad".

Your first sentence says it all..."Americans no longer trust their politicians, the justice system, their ability to obtain liberty, or the media."

Tell me...when DID they trust them all? "No longer", indeed.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 16:55 | 115565 Anonymous
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The reason consumer confidence is down, is because it's physically impossible to be up. You can talk about a great epiphany but the fact is that unemployment, foreclosures etc are taking their toll.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 17:50 | 115623 Miyagi_san
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Michigan sentiment plus Accorn = CNBS

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:47 | 115479 Anonymous
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They (economists et al) talk about "the consumer" like we're a seperate breed of people. We're all consumers. What they are really referring to are the less well off working stiffs who are continually being stoked to buy stuff. When we don't have the money to spend, and credit is maxed out, guess what...no consuming and no confidence you dimwhits!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 17:46 | 115620 Miyagi_san
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GW ...word...

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:45 | 115475 Anonymous
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Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken US editor (1880 - 1956)

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:10 | 115415 ft65
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I'm not surprised confidence is down. How can any average Joe be anything other than distraught. No savings, and a job that looks ever more shaky. I haven't felt confident about the future from a year before this mess started unravelling. There is no bright future.  

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:09 | 115412 Anonymous
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"The real source of America's angst is a sense that something is terribly wrong."

Hey, no kidding. And... they are correct.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:51 | 115380 Anonymous
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Let me tell you about another type of inflation that you are unlikely to hear about from CNBCers or ivory tower egghead bow-tie wearers (I did think Pento seemed reasonably smart and honest):

I do my own food shopping; I eat tuna fish, and drink store-bought coffee (no, not at the same time). I guess these consumption habits make me a "Populist" (peasant, Prole).

A can of tuna fish at Kroger got reduced from 6 ounces to 5 ounces, and the cost remained the same. So the amount of product went down 16.67%. Folgers coffee also did the same thing with some of their varieties (I assume the less popular varieties were not size-reduced). The container of the variety I like went from 33 oz. to 27 oz. --- no price cut. I'm sure this is going on with many items, and in all grocery stores.

This might not be a bad thing if we were talking about cheez doodles or ding dongs, because that might help fight the obesity and diabetes problems in this country. But on a relative basis, tuna fish is not too bad for a person, and is a Populist staple.

These media dolts also seem to underestimate the intelligence of (some of) the American People. We're worried and mad about derivatives exposure and the fact that nobody can (or wants to) talk about the ramifications.

We're worried and mad that the FED and Treasury and (most) politicians are corrupted, and complicit in financial terrorism.

We're worried and mad that the Kleptocrats and Oligarchs pray to Ayn Rand and are hell-bent on turning those without power and connections into wage and debt slaves.

We're worried and mad that Obama seems to be running errands for Goldman and JPM, and that the revolving door is alive and well (nothing against Dems, in particular ... the GOP sucks too).

We're worried and mad that the Bailout money is being used to speculate with OPM, and lobby against any oversight and regulation; that the TB(to be allowed)TF are BIGGER and too "inter-connected" to be put out of OUR misery, and that record-setting bonuses are in store for criminals who should be OUT of business, and IN jail.

We're worried and mad that we don't know how to defend ourselves and prevent these psychopaths from blowing up the world!

And I'm especially worried and mad that my dyslexia will make it difficult for me to learn Chinese, thereby making the likelihood of landing a job pulling a rickshaw highly problematic!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:45 | 115372 Anonymous
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One group has been asked to make great sacrifices now and in the future- Taxpayers.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:44 | 115369 mannfm11
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There has been a deflation in order since 1990.  We almost didn't get out of the early 1990's recession, then we had a huge bubble in stocks burst in 2000, which has created an environment of over investment in a broad series of areas.  Had the US tightened in 2001, the depression very well could have started then.  Unfortunately, the bust didn't happen in 1998 when the LTCM mess hit.  The bubble would have been somewhat smaller and we could have managed with the political scene.  The whole euphoria that was in order at the end of the 1990's was a mandatory situation to attempt to maintain.  An administration could not come in and have the economy go flat on them.  At least the bubble created a perception that Congress had solved the budget problem, which was really nothing but the same forces that placed California in its now unsolvable budget situation, a bubble in captal gains and stock option income compensation tax receipts.  The same disaster faces Obama today, as he has the impossible task of rectifying the poor timing of his entrance.  Clinton and Bush II had some advantage in the fact home equity and lower mortgage payments allowed for free income bumps for consumers and provided a pool of money to circulate through the economy, thereby creating the bubble we now have that is deflating.  The consumer no longer has a low interest rate credit card or a method of transferring balances with no payments for a year, nor does he have the free relief of a lower interest rate and home equity to extract and go shopping.  Most suddenly realize that the shortcut to retirement all the experts told them was present was nothing but a delusion.  Those that hold onto this delusion are about to see it wiped out with this next stock market bust that isn't going to come back to these levels for 20 years or longer on a price adjusted basis. 

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:34 | 115358 Anonymous
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Oh, "that something" is tangible alright: It's called fraud, theft, abuse, and criminal negligence.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:30 | 115354 bugs_
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Jobs Haynes.  Jobs for the man of the family.  A

future for his children.  Mom is having a hard

time with her single income now.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:27 | 115347 walküre
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Nuke Iran.

Consumer confidence up 200%.

So, there ya go.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:23 | 115343 Anonymous
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Obama logic: "We have greedy bankers and a financial system in need of new overhaul...therfore, we must reform healthcare."

Just like saying, "My car won't start becuase my couch is blue."

This guy never had a single intention of 'getting America back on track'.

I hope that's obvious to everyone at this point.

The general angst you speak of is an elected President utterly terrifying the citizenry.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:08 | 115325 Anonymous
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I'm one of those regular americans, only difference is I've been reading ZH religiously for several months. I have not stockpiled ammo, canned goods, etc... but I think about it every day and know several people that actually do. My greatest concern, like many other little people, is determining the safest place to put my money. I don't want to spend all my time moving it around, I just want to know that where I put it, it will still be there when I'm ready to withdraw. I suspect I will be ridiculed by this next statement - I continue to contribute around 12% to a 401k. What should I REALLY be doing?

I think what most sheeple want is safety, fairness, and transparency.

Saftey - if I put my money away - protect it
Fairness - if I have no gov't backstop from bankruptcy, why should my tax dollars fund it for TBTF turds.
Transparency - if you're going to collect taxes, we should at least know how it is being spent.

I am Anon Bag Head

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:48 | 115481 Anonymous
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Money, ha ha, what an outdated early 21st century idea.

I remember when people would actually DO things for it.

All just pretty confetti from an after-party gone bad.

It's mixed with cigarette butts, spilled drink, a little nausea detritus, smell of bad aftershave.

The currency should be replaced with one bearing a hooker in low cut, with a drink in one hand, a John in another, screaming "live it up, baby".

Tomorrow we die.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 21:53 | 115812 Marge N Call
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Hell yeah.

Exceus me, I have to do some blow off of a hooker's ass...(not my line of course).

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:08 | 115324 Anonymous
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This guy is a Douche.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:00 | 115317 Hammer59
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Americans simply have no concept of sacrifice; this is clearly shown by their anemic savings rates of the last two decades, the cars they drive, the way they invest, the food they eat. It was only the severity of the financial crisis prior to the election that even prompted them to embrace change. To expect President Obama to immediately create a reversal of misfortune caused by Bush/Cheney and the GOP only shows how unrealistic and unfocused the population has been, and continues to be. But they are indeed coming around now, and swiftly. It took Bill Clinton a while to get traction (he inherited a shitty economy from Bush Sr), and turned it around. We are bombarded daily by the MSM with everything but the truth--but intution and the internet gives us the notion that yes, something is terribly wrong with our country. The bailouts and stimulus, while incredibly unpopular were a "hail Mary" pass, incredibly desperate---but postponed the Great Depression redux by about a year and a half. In the end, what ruined the Global Economy was overpopulation, worldwide lust of our previous glorious standard of living, and utterly corrupt leadership in Government and Finance. There is a harsh reality ahead of us, which can be a return of the Dark Ages, or a spiritual renaissance---but we cant have both. Human nature is so predictable, so we all know where this is heading if/ when the system fails. Not suprising to see increasing mention of revolution/violence amogst those posting comments. Never corner a frightened man.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:53 | 115384 mannfm11
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this mess has been brewing for 20 years.  Bush walked in on a bubble that had sprung a leak and Obama walked into one that burst.  Their only plan is to attempt to reflate a debt bubble with global leaks.  Obama will be the most failed administration since Carter.  Dick Cheney is a saint compared to the henchmen Barack has around him.  If he cannot figure that one out, there isn't much hope for him.  Besides, history has shown ethics and politicians from Chicago are not common bedfellows.  Bill Clinton inherited a recovery and a world where someone could drop their mortgage payment by 3% or more simply by going in and refinancing.  Also, the big banks got well in the mid 1990's.  Robert Rubin is as responsible for the Clinton miracle as anyone and more responsible for the bubble than anyone I can find.  Bush II had a much bigger mess coming in than Clinton.  The big problem though has been in Washington DC all the post war years.  Inflate or die has been a situation Bretton Woods put us in over 60 years ago.  Keynes, in defense of his policies said, "In the long run, we are all dead".  We have reached the long run. 

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 19:14 | 115696 Stoploss
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+10,000!!  By George, i think you have got it!

Your scope is perfect, all that is needed is a little refining. I offer this, IMHO.

In 00 / 01 the dot com bubble burst ( begin bear market ). In response to that, then fed chair Alan " bubbles " Greenspan, initiated the housing bubble as the response to then said recession, of the dot com pop.

That, in and of itself was a FALSE inflation of housing prices, combined with easy credit, ( Your WORD, is all it takes to purchase a million dollar home ), never mind verifing income or any trivials like that. Then bring in subprime. (which is still going on), and here we are.

I believe, since hindsight is always 20/20, in 10 years it will be known as the great depression of the new mellinium, in SLOW MOTION, since we are only almost half way done with this cycle. The more money printed, the slower we go. In the end we will hit bottom. Unfortunately, it doesnt appear to be anytime soon.  enjoy the Slo - Mo decline.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:08 | 115326 Anonymous
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Especially, never corner an honest frightened man.

When banks and government have lied, cheated, and stolen every shard of good in a democracy covering 35 years, there is only one way to get it back.

You fucking take it - you don't stand and talk, you put a bullet in the face of the crook that stole it and now thinks it is his.

Start the clock.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:59 | 115315 HayeksConscience
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the sooner the system gets reset and we put it back to the way the founders intended - the better. 

No system will work with corruption.   Society cannot function without morals and ethics. You can't post a policeman at every public transaction.

IMHO, What a lot of folks don't realize is the justice system is just as dyfunctional and will need to be reformed as well. 

No doubt most Americans are asleep hoping we muddle through.  But, I still think that when it all comes crashing down there is going to be hell to pay for the government and financial monied interests. 

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:31 | 115289 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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As Churchill pretty much said, Americans will do everything but the right thing until the right thing is the only solution left.


)--no cryptic play on words intended.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:25 | 115278 time123
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What is terribly wrong in America is that decent, well skilled and educated people who want to work and make a living cannot anymore (although they used to), because the well paying jobs are simply not there any more. They all either moved to foreign cheap labor countries, or simply disappeared due to higher efficiencies.

If there is no paycheck to support the family for an increasing number (in the millions) of Americans, where is the confidence going to come from to keep consuming? That is why consumer confidence is falling. It has nothing to do with the cost of gas.


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Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:09 | 115255 Noah Vail
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He thinks the Prez was sincere? Really, sincere in selling out to the banksters perhaps, but surely on nothing else.


The people can't put their finger on what's wrong? Horsefeathers, most know but want to pretend that it isn't true.

The American people sacrificed by voting for the free lunch in exchange for giving up real industry and cushy desk jobs that will disappear like water in the desert. And desert is what we as a nation are about to become. Fill up your canteens boyz.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:07 | 115251 midnitepoet
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As P.T Barnum once said; "You can't underestimate the intelligence of the American public." And I would like to add: "You can't underestimate their interest in what is happening outside their little, individual worlds." Sadly; Americans know more about sports statistics, sitcom plots, reality show situations and Starbux Lattes than they know about forms of government, Wall Street shenanigans, our political corruption, our military ineptness and the reality of how the banking industry stole control of the country from the politicians. Ppppffffftttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 21:50 | 115809 Marge N Call
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Yep. Thanks to our failed public education, failure to support the notion of a nuclear family, and our worship of Hollywood/Madison Ave.

We reap what we have sewn.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:03 | 115241 JohnKing
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Why ask the citizenry to sacrifice while keeping the political/finance class in champagne and caviar?  Even Obama doesn't have enough panache to pull that off. I don't know how out of touch you are with JSP but based on your writing I assume you are safely ensconced in some ivory tower. I think JSP would tell you he doesn't have much left to sacrifice, even if he felt led to do so.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 12:58 | 115223 Anonymous
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You assume that anyone in power cares about ordinary citizens. This is the Achilles heal of your assertion. If Obama makes the changes necessary to resolve the situation, he will be assassinated.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:28 | 115286 JohnKing
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Obama never defined change, he just let the collective imagination run wild and let others project their own hopes onto him. Where did anyone get the idea that Obama was anything but self-serving politician?

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:15 | 115336 Ben Graham Redux
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+1,000 - yours is the best description of the enigma that is our President that I've ever seen - bravo! 

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:44 | 115473 JohnKing
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Twinkle twinkle litle star, make a wish on the Obama star. He is a fairy tale that people wanted to believe, some still do. The peace candidate brought more war, the transparency candidate shut down information, the list goes on but the deceived are still blinded.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:25 | 115280 thetechnicaltake
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I never said anything about Obama caring for the people; the end result is that he will be a one term president.  My point is that he has squandered the most effective thing that he could have done - go to the people.  He cannot do that and with the likelihood of no more bailouts, he is stuck.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 12:51 | 115206 RagnarDanneskjold
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If you're talking about the greater good, you're part of the problem. Everything done in DC for the past year was for the "greater good."

The reason we are in this mess is because of collectivist thinking. Individuals would never have behaved so stupidly, it is literally impossible due to counterbalancing market forces.. It was efforts, over the past 80 years, to act collectively in support of healthcare, education, retirement, housing, etc., that led us to this point. The way out of this is to sacrifice "the greater good" and return to individualism.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:41 | 115365 vanderrook
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Thank you, Ragnar.


As I was reading the piece, I was formulating the outstanding sentiments that you have already committed. Anytime I read "for the greater good", I am immediately suspicious and on the defensive. The greater good would have been achieved if those chimps on the Hill would just stay out of most things. The original plan was for the Feds to safeguard our persons, property and rights- nothing more. The rest was up to us.


They (we) have blown the shit out of that premise for all time now.

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:21 | 115270 thetechnicaltake
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All individuals must make that sacrifice.  But your point of "greater good" is well taken in the sense that we don't want to make everyone the same.  The only thing that should be the same is some sense of sacrifice and/or working towards a common goal.  

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:20 | 115268 Anonymous
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TBTF and the Goldman pilferage was for the greater good? Who are you?..Hank Paulson?

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:02 | 115238 Anonymous
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Ah, the old saw, right wingers sawing away about if FDR wasn't such a traitor
Roosevelt was trying to AVOID revolution, and he put it off 80 years.....
Oh, you are going to see individualism, and I can tell you that you will not like it at all!

The killin' will be Hobbesian in depth and breadth. AWESOME in its true meaning

Humans are BEST at killin' !

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 21:46 | 115807 Marge N Call
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And the other path to progress vis-a-vis individual liberty is........

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 16:03 | 115497 Anonymous
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Hat Tip to the The Matter, Form and Power of the Common Wealth.

Is it Ecclesiastical? It certainly is. But is it Civil?

Fri, 10/30/2009 - 12:54 | 115213 Mad Max
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Spoken like a true pirate!  RRRRRGH ye mates!

I do agree though.  The markets are so distorted now that we're in Wonderland.  Mish has a good discussion today of the role of the federal loan-subsidizing agencies on housing affordability and college affordability.  (Hint: cheap money repaid later, borrowed by people with limited concepts of borrowing, drives prices up.)

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