When All Else Fails, Change The Rules: Japan Increases Maximum "Safe" Radiation Dose Allowed For Nuclear Workers By 150% To Near-Chernobyl Levels

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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:44 | 1060484 TruthInSunshine
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Japan crisis reaching worst case scenario-Russia
Published: March 16, 2011 at 10:39 AM ET

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Japan's nuclear crisis is developing according to the worst case scenario, the head of Russia's state nuclear corporation said on Wednesday.

He said the overheating at other reactors at the plant showed the crisis was now escalating according to the worst outcome modeled by the experts.

"Unfortunately, the situation is developing under the worst scenario," Sergei Kiriyenko, who presides over the bulk of the former Soviet Union's military and civilian nuclear facilities, told Reuters.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1060525 cossack55
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"........military and civilian nuclear facilities, told Reuters before he fell off of his bar stool.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:04 | 1060563 Sylvia Plath
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I hate to say this, but it is turning into a situation where the sacrifice of a few is needed for the safety of many.  In a sense this is almost a call for none aggressive martyrdom, but like any culture, the Japanese have this 'nobel sacrifice' built into their culture.

What will happen is that a few workers will ineviatably die of radiation, but the sooner they sacrifice a few, the sooner the many can start the rebuild.

Who wants to draw straws?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:21 | 1060667 Pegasus Muse
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I volunteer these "heroes":

Bernanke, Greenspan, TaxCheat Timmay Geithner, Hanky Panky Paulson, Phil Graham, his wifey, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, all the Fannie/Freddie execs past and present, Summers, Robert Rubin, Dimon, Blankfiend, Fuld, ......,

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:07 | 1061044 cocoablini
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I'm sure any of these workers would take a bullet to save the country. They are Japanese, not a bunch of cowardly american bureaucrats.
Its getting to the point where theres no hope- they can't die and fix it or live and fix it. Its out of control so why have people there dying for nothing

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 13:18 | 1061580 Convolved Man
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This is their kamikaze moment.

All though noble in spirit, it may be towards an unobtainable goal.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:08 | 1061046 DaveyJones
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coming from an avatar who stuck her head in the oven :/

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:39 | 1061326 Hexus
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Have another look at the scale, 250 isn't so bad. The usual health and safety stuff has been sidelined for a while, so what? Why do people have to dramatise things so much, they're having a nuclear meltdown is that not enough? Why turn it into some cheesy Hollywood dross.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:16 | 1060659 Lord Welligton
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From roymunnson on the "Latest Digital ..." thread.

"10km radius outside of Fukushima Daini as well..they have 4 more reactors"

Completely out of control now.

on Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:58

For those that are tired of looking at the status of just 6 reactors...they have just moved to evacuate 10km radius outside of Fukushima Daini as well..they have 4 more reactors!!!


[3:07 a.m. ET Wednesday, 4:07 p.m. Wednesday in Tokyo] As a safety precaution, the Japanese government is now telling people living within a 10-kilometer radius of the Daini plant, the second nuclear power plant in Fukushima, to evacuate.

The Daini plant, which has four reactors, has reported fluctuating temperatures at its suppression pools. The Daini plant's reactors have been stopped, and there has been no radioactivity leakage so far.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:43 | 1060487 bugs_
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you also won't have to save as much for retirement as you thought!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:49 | 1060503 Long-John-Silver
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What retirement?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1060524 idea_hamster
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self-administered Seppuku

Was there another kind?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:56 | 1060531 cossack55
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Gubmint induced seppuku, see Divine Wind or QE3.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:46 | 1060496 ZeroPower
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Devastating for the workers, but if theyre working for the greater good of the people, then God bless, and i hope they get the job done.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1060528 duo
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I remember NBC saying that the workers doing this had lost their families and homes.  Sad if true.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:49 | 1060500 TWORIVER
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I wish they would shove a MOX rod up the JPNGov ass.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:50 | 1060507 Confused
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The question is, what happens if none of the workers go along with it? At this point (excuse the ignorance) what are the alternatives?


Certainly a bad situation all around. An epic damned if you do, damned if you don't.  

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:51 | 1060508 Mudflap
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"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."  - Thomas Jefferson

Nobody to blame but ourselves really.  And our parents... Oh, and theirs...  Basically, the human race is just f'd up to begin with.  We want it all and we're willing to lose everything to get it, Damn it!


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1060512 Johnny Lawrence
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Tough situation, do they call the workers out for their own safety, or do they sacrifice the lives of the workers in an attempt to save the overall population?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1060513 uhb
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For those with access to a geiger Counter:
How to translate the CPM reading of a geiger counter into Sievert/Gray:

cpm 10-30: safe, 1-3milliSv/Yr
cpm 100: 9milliSv/yr, believed to be cancerous in children if long-time exposed
cpm1000: You receive 88milliSv/year, believed to be cancerous if long-time exposed
cpm10.000: You receive 880milliSv/year, cancerous if long-time exposed
cpm100.000: cancerous cancerous if exposed to for approx 100hrs
cpm1.000.000: cancerous if exposed to for approx 10hrs
Higher: Deadly

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:51 | 1060516 darkpool2
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This is about as pathetic as it gets.


There are just no depths that our "ëlected" officials wont stoop to.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1060517 sabra1
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i did not know you could pomo radiation!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:51 | 1060523 John McCloy
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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1060534 sodbuster
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More like Mark-to-death.

Those guys are heroes in my book. Definitely in harms way, and your enemy is invisible.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:58 | 1060551 cossack55
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Though I am an asshole and rather enjoy being one, I never toss around the word "hero" lightly. In this case I will definitly agree with your comment. This is what Valhalla is all about.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:11 | 1060526 hedgeless_horseman
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Debt ceiling, budget deadline, retirement age, allowable radiation dosage, are just a few of the limits we will see obliterated.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:53 | 1060527 sabra1
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why not just send in the bernank and timmy buck naked, to pee on the rods!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1060529 papaswamp
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Dead men walking.

France calls BS on Japan saying they are hiding the extent of the crisis. Yea I know not surprising. Some amazing pictures with spiffy diagrams.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:02 | 1060562 Confused
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Thanks for the link. 

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1060535 Ben Probanke
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* EU Energy Chief: Situation At Japan Nuclear Plant Out Of Control
 ...someone is not impressed by the water cannons at Fuckyoushima

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:56 | 1060539 ZackAttack
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Mark to Roentgen, bitchez.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:55 | 1060542 Dr. Porkchop
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This is a nice glimpse of the future. Events spiralling out of control while government makes rule changes to try to maintain the illusion of control. Note to self for the future: when it appears TSHTF, don't wait for government help.

Be prepared.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:01 | 1060558 cossack55
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You got it, Doc. Only 319,578,235 to go (thats a lot of note-taking).

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:55 | 1060543 Ben Probanke
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* EU Energy Chief: Possible Catastrophic Events In Next Hours

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:20 | 1060683 Lord Welligton
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Got link Bob?


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:24 | 1060706 Lord Welligton
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Got link Bob?


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 10:59 | 1060549 Cdad
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And the criminal class of Wall Street bankers, right along with the crony capitalist big energy lobby groups, continue prattling on that everything is just fine...in support of the Japanese government line.  Burning nuclear reactors is proof positive that nuclear energy is the safest form of energy in the world.

Great!  It's good that we have gotten a handle on the situation.  Follow the bankers and the lobbyists...they always lead the way to safety.

Is it too early for martinis?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:04 | 1060567 cossack55
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I would recommend watching whatever airport is closest to Yucca Mountain for a huge influx of Gulf Streams. Thats worry time.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1060555 PulauHantu29
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"When all else fails, change the rules."

Isn't this the Hank Paulson-Timmy Geitner Maxim?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:22 | 1060708 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Nah, they were totally inspired by Cpatain Kirk rigging that "unwinnable test" at Star Fleet Academy.


cheating is winning..as long as its for the forces of good.



I know junk me for the ST reference..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1060559 tallen
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I wish they'd send Brian Moynihan,Blythe and all the other scumbags to clean it up. Help clean up not only the nuclear waste, but kill off the evil bankers too. = Double Win?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:03 | 1060565 Nedly66
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WTF is happening?!!!!?


TLT just jumped $1.50

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:05 | 1060580 Paul Bogdanich
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This is not pathetic.  it's a bad situation.  Men are going to die.  The only queston that remains is how to save the most for the fewest dead.   Retreat is unthinkable.  Personal safety must be forgotten.  Time to stop acting like bankers and start acting like men.  Heedless self interest is not what is needed here, if it was ever needed anywhere.  Somebody has to contain this situation before it destroys everything and it won't be the ever so brave financial types.  I just hope people get the message after this.  These selfish people need to be punished.  Severely.      

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:07 | 1060590 luk427
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They must have learned some tricks from Rumsfeld and his gang of crooks. They got aspertame approveved wich is a known carcinogen and neurotoxic poison.    http://www.rense.com/general67/rum.htm

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:32 | 1060789 deepsouthdoug
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Fuckin Bureaucrats.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:33 | 1060798 Tense INDIAN
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cant belive it ...Japanese too manipulating ....

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 11:43 | 1060859 overmedicatedun...
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breaking news: GE's Jeff Immelt on site at reactor #4..giving technical advise while helping bucket water on the core..more to follow..sarc off.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:37 | 1061304 Invisible Hand
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Not just dose is important.  Dose rate is also important.  Also doses at these levels are not significantly dangerous.

US limit for radiation workers is 50 mS per year.  Higher dose limits are allowed for emergencies (planned special exposures).

The fatal dose limits you list are only fatal if recieved over very short times (few days).

This is a very serious situation and the dose limits being raised reinforces that fact. However, many people who received similar doses at Hiroshima and Nagasaki lived normal life spans and had no ill effects.

Any one that agrees to recieve this level of dose to protect others is a brave person, but not even mildlysuicidal.  Doses at these levels increase your risk of cancer somewhat, but not significantly.

Other than a small increased risk of cancer, a dose of 25 Rem (250 mSv) will produce no health detectable health effects, even with blood tests.

These doses are much less dangerous than running into a burning building, which fireman do every day.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 12:41 | 1061352 Sofa King
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Your not tryin' to quote Spock from Wrath of Khan, are you?  Because if you are, do that shit right and pay some respect...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 14:16 | 1061963 minus dog
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How is this pathetic?  We're talking about nuclear workers willingly going in there to try and unfuck the situation.  I think the word you're looking for is "heroic" - or is ZH simply unable to get beyond the 9-5 suit and tie frame of mind?  How about a little respect instead of gibbering from the sidelines?

Keep in mind that the original dosage restrictions were set with the intent to create a zero-tolerance atmosphere in a very technically demanding environment.  Now that the gloves are off, they're working with dosages they can get away with instead of what they'd like to see.

And now that you've trotted out charts talking about dosages for context, how about admitting that that panic over a few dozen microsieverts early on in the disaster was entirely overblown?  Eh?

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