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When Keynesian Correlation Is Causation: Krugman's Contrived Climatic Conundrum

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From John Lohman

Forget high unemployment, hyperinflationary central bank policies,  competitive devaluations, and all those useless demographic and political factors that go into the Shoe Thrower’s Index.  In what can only be described as a moment of pure Keynesian genius, Paul Krugman concludes that the primary reason for the surge in food riots is…global warming.  
 
Perhaps he’s right.   In order to put an end to these pesky riots and revolutions we should reduce our carbon footprint via extensive taxes on emissions (even though many scientists believe CO2 actually lags temperature change).  Come to think of it, we should reduce all activities which are ‘positively correlated’ with a rising temperature anomaly, just to be on the safe side.  And millions of public sector jobs would be created as new regulatory agencies would be needed, thus solving our structural unemployment issue.
 
Paul, meet the Keynesian Climate Model….

…with a higher correlation than CO2  (chart concept Ira Glickstein)

But the correlation between Keynesian policies and temperature anomalies is just a bit more impressive.

 


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Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment sysin3
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+10 for alliteration.

another +1 for sarcasm.

and +lots of gold coins for anybody who will rid me of these bankers and economists and politicians and lawyers and ..... oh hell, never mind.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:55 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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+1 for alliteration credit

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:27 | Link to Comment sysin3
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Well thank you, sir ;-)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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But what's the % correlation between the lack of pirates and increase in global warming???

 

AAAAAAARRRRRR!!!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Global warming is real if you bother to look. There's very clear pieces of evidence which this article did not mention:

2010 is the hottest year on record, ever:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

Much more 'record high' than 'record low' temperature events in the US:
http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/images/temps_2.jpg

Record low ice in January 2011 in the Arctic:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2011/02/record-...

Record heatwave in Moscow and the first ever 100F reading in Moscow for hundreds of years of temperature records:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/08/photogalleries/100810-ru...

And all that during a solar minimum.

But yeah, continue denying it. You remind me of another sect, who lived a couple of thousand years ago:

"The Mount Vesuvius eruption theory is the longest running scam of Rome!"

"Eruption scientists falsified the data to support this illegal tax on the wealthy!"

"This is just a regular earthquake, last summer has proven it beyond doubt that Mount Vesuvius is about to enter a protracted period of inactivity!"

(EDF of Pompeii news conference exerpts, dated 24th of August, 79 AD)

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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"2010 is the hottest year on record, ever:"

LOL...  our 100 year record right?  The Earth is 4.5 billion years old...  I'd wager my left nut that the Earth has been much hotter in the past.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Right, and we also know it that the earth is flat: just look how flat it is!

Whom do you believe, government satellite pictures or your own damn lying eyes?

 

 

Excerpts from the army manual of intergalactic travellers:

rule #1: if you see such rising temperatures on a planet, during a solar minimum:

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/images/temps_2.jpg

GET OUT AND FIND ANOTHER PLANET, QUICKLY.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:30 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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WTF does this have to do with the Earth's shape?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:33 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Your denial of global warming is in good old flat-earther tradition.

I tried to convey an analogy to you, in an example that you might understand.

I failed.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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Okay, I'm trying to follow you, but it hurts my head.

A theory is correct, solely on the fact that someone 500 years ago thought the Earth was flat?

Is that what you're saying?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:43 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Okay, I'm trying to follow you, but it hurts my head.

FYI, that's not a headache really: it's your brain trying to grow due to unusual stimulus (rational thought processes).

A theory is correct, solely on the fact that someone 500 years ago thought the Earth was flat?

I simply ridiculed your (very transparent) denial. You apparently did not understand the joke. That's not a problem - others certainly did.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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No logic or evidence.  Just pointless insults.  That's all you have.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Logic and evidence is there, you just did not notice it while replying to it:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/when-keynesian-correlation-causation-kr...

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Shrunken nad man..  You are aware the Chicago carbon credit exchange shut down right..  The money arm of your religion figured out the game is up, you should too..

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment philgramm
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would you two please get a hotel room

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment nihilist
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Logic is there?  WTF?  Okay, let's stipulate that you are, in fact, logical, then please explain the resulting blackbody radiation emitted by the earth using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law and why a linear increase in CO2 results in a linear increase in effective warming and how the resultant warming somehow neglects the 2nd law of thermodynamics?  Furthermore, please explain why the effective warming caused by the absorption of IR by CO2 is greater than the effective warming that results from the absorption of IR by dihydrogen oxide.

Hint:  You will not find the answer on NPR. 

The fact of the matter is, a linear increase in effective warming would require an exponential increase in CO2 (which we do not have nor will we ever attain).  Secondly, you can't escape the 2nd law of thermodynamics, as heat, in the absence of work, will always flow from a region of warmer temperatures to a region of cooler temperatures.  You need to do work to make energy flow from a cooler region to a warmer region.  If the global warming alarmists somehow figured out that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is moot then why am I still paying electricity to keep my refrigerator cold.  Even if you bubble wrap the entire planet heat will still escape, unless there's some force doing some work that keeps it all bottled in.  Any kid with a decent understanding of Physics can grasp this concept.

What I would like to know is what the inverse correlation is between the Global Warming Hockey SCHTICK and the average IQ of global warming alarmists.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Nice

It's amazing people don't realize that just outside of the earth's atmosphere, there is just about absolute 0. Meaning we're constantly being cooled, while the Sun warms up one side ever rotating. 

Not to mention bogus data collection...i.e. take Phoenix, my area.  Since I'm 32, and have lived here my whole life, I've seen the phx area grow from slightly under 2 million(1.6-1.8), to over 4 million.  Guess what, my backyard temps are up about 10 degrees.  Is that global warming? No, it's called HEAT ISLAND.  Hell even Fountain Hills gets much warmer than it used to and it still is in the outskirts on the backside of a mountain.

But too bad, no one noticed this in the global warming data gathering. 

WHat they DID do however, is take the sea temps that went lower, and disregarded them. 

Not to mention the following of wall street sophistry is inherent in the green scam.....

1. Bunk models (aka Housing goes up forever type shit)[as if any model isn't bunk really...it's a guideline....with huge potential of error...not a cornerstone of a thesis...except to the dipshit who don't know how to use them)

2. Carbon Credit Exchange (helped set up by NerObama) which is really just ANOTHER derivatives scheme.  The price goes up (in perpetuity), everyone suffers, except the squid sucking the lifeblood on the top.  But I guess the scientists are doing god's work too, just like Blankenfein.

 

If someone REALLY was a green lover, they'd be for NAWAPA, Nuclear Power, and Fusion.  Not another rig job based on idiots thinking they are doing a good job. 

All this other stuff is just more complete bull, brought to you by the head imperial monetarists...who want another way to SCREW YOU OVER.

Righteous post nihilist. As Jeff Spicoli once stated, 'Awesome, totally, Awsome'

 

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:26 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Logic is there?  WTF?  Okay, let's stipulate that you are, in fact, logical, then please explain the resulting blackbody radiation emitted by the earth using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law and why a linear increase in CO2 results in a linear increase in effective warming and how the resultant warming somehow neglects the 2nd law of thermodynamics? 

You are seeing the trees but missing the forest. You are missing three big things.

Let me sum up the main problem for you:

In the coming 10-20 decades humanity is about to release as much CO2 into the air as plants could collect and store in roughly 100 million years in the Permian era.

That is what can create an unsurvivable (for humans - life will be fine) feedback loop.

Secondly, the planet will have (much) higher surface temperatures, and yes, eventually it will enter thermodynamic equilibrium again and will radiate out as much as it absorbs.

Humans won't be there to observe that phase though.

Thirdly, you are missing the basic fact that the heat equilibrium of the planet is also fueled by a thermonuclear reactions that occur in the core. That heat is slowly escaping, but the process itself is more or less constant. If there's an insulating atmosphere then guess what happens? Yes: surface temperatures go way up.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 08:49 | Link to Comment Overflow-admin
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As I already said, I think there is 100% correlation between global warming alarmists and bubble negationists.

 

Sheeple un jour, sheeple toujours!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 01:46 | Link to Comment I Am The Unknow...
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Hey More Critical fuckTard:

Nihilist is correct, although I am sure the response is way over your head.

It is a solid fact that at one point in the earth's existence, the earth was a giant volcanic, methane-rich fireball incapable of supporting life as we know it.  It is also true that at one point in earth's existence, the earth was a giant ice-covered planet (known as "Snowball Earth"), also incapable of supporting life as we know it.  Climate change is a natural phenomenon that has existed since the earth was formed and will continue to exist until the earth ceases to exist.  You and the rest of you non-scientist global warming con artists are absolute fucking idiots.  Shame on all of you. 

Oh, and on another note...for absolute fucking proof that you are all a bunch of evil con artist fucktards...consider this:  The Battle of the 300 by Leonidas in Thermopylae is a fact.  It is also a fact that this battle could not possibly happen today because the ocean levels have DECREASED so much that the invading army of Xerxes could simply walk along the beach (or the paved road) that exists today.  There would have been no need to go through the narrow seaside pass in the rocky, mountain cliff, which is many feet above sea level at this point in time.  In other words, we have absolute fucking proof that ocean levels are FAR below what they were circa 480 BC.  So, FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU ASSHOLES! 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Id fight Gandhi
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Actually it's a historical fallacy That 500 years ago they thought the world was flat.

Anyone especially navigational and nautical people could easily see the curvature of the earth from high points.

The argument is a misunderstanding that Columbus could find a direct route to India as the Americas were never plotted at that point in time and how long supplies would last.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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They knew America was here.  They obviously didn't have specifics....but they knew SOMETHING was there.  Maybe it was india, maybe it was something else.   But they knew there was SOMETHING.

It's really all about Nicholas of Cusa, the inspiration for Columbus and his voyages.

Especially now that we know both Vikings and Chinese visited here before Columbus.

...but...but...but...we were told otherwise..

No shit, and they were wrong. Think they might have been wrong or lying about other things? (speaking to a general audience)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:51 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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"But what's the % correlation between the lack of pirates and increase in global warming???"

Excuse me PS....There is no lack of pirates. Pirates have created the spin to convince all the dumb shits in the world that the air we exhale (CO2) is a pollutant despite the fact that it is a nutrient and is a trace gas which is insignificant by definition. They will continue to use any means necessary to make the masses believe this lie so they can loot the living shit out of them.

Fuck you anthropogenic CO2 causing global warming bitchez!!!!

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Isn't it funny that CO2 was originally referred to as 'the gas of life', back when scientists, were ACTUALLY scientists.

You know, before imperialist monetarist lackey's fucked up science...or maybe this is the result of our decaying schools.

People need to wake up and see just how much money influence can change 'reality' into 'fakery'. It's not the gas of life, it's the thing that'll kill off everyone....brought to you by Carl's Jr Borse NYSE.  Because it's got electrolytes.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 01:35 | Link to Comment chopper read
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i agree.  i hope it warms up more quickly because the past 1,000 years have been freezing compared to the 10,000 year average.

http://www.ofcomswindlecomplaint.net/images/ScreenQuality/fig2-Temp10000...

 

Much debate regarding 'climate change' legislation is driven by a paticular chart demonstrating a 'hockey stick' ramping in recent global temperatures.  However, prior to this we were known to have been in a 'mini ice age' during the time of the Napoleonic Wars and American Revolution (with temperatures having dropped from previously much higher levels).

 

In fact, it is important to note that the 'estimates' for much of the 'hocky stick' graph were never even remotely realized.  Global temperatures leveled and have actually fallen sharply by comparison in the most recent two years. 

 

 

The fact is, if the measurements can be trusted, we are currently near the higher end of our temperature range as it relates to the past 1000 years. Yes, the rise appears to be somewhat rapid and maybe even driven by human activity.  However, the more logical explaination to me right now is that this has possibly come about either naturally or as a result of more widespread advances in agriculture - with subsequent domestication and feeding of animals, as well as global population growth from increased food production, in general.

 

Considering the potential effects of assumed 'greehouse gases', it is then Methane (particularly from cows), not CO2, which could be considered the primary culprit.

 

"Agriculture is responsible for an estimated 14 percent of the world's 'greenhouse gases'. A significant portion of these emissions come from methane, which, in terms of its contribution to global warming, is 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide."

 

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammals/methane-cow.htm

 

Assuming this is true, then why do global despots seek control of CO2 emissions rather than Methane?  Clearly, this provides for them opportunity to dismantle coal-fired power plants and other industry.  Further, it may even give them jurisdiction over our ability to exhale!

 

As an aside, we hear much talk about the depletion of 'non-renewable' resources.  If so, then will not these decreasing fossil fuel supplies already act as the self-corrections on human CO2 emissions that are sought by our global puppet leaders?

 

Further, has not life on earth already coped quite successfully with much higher temperatures in the past, anyway?  Will not receding glaciers open up more farmland in the Northern Hemisphere?

 

 

 

And will not more CO2 create more plant life and ultimately more oxygen in our air?  I like oxygen, don't you?

 

Given all of the facts, is this worth handing over even more power to unelected bureaucrats who are clearly supported by a shadow government seeking to dismantle our Constitutional Republic?

 

At this point, I think not.

 

 

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=3

 

 

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 10:20 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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"Considering the potential effects of assumed 'greehouse gases', it is then Methane (particularly from cows), not CO2, which could be considered the primary culprit."

Don't know where you got this information Chops but both Methane and CO2 have zip/nada/zilch to do with real overall climate change. Most people have no idea how little the atmosphere is composed of these trace gasses. All this hype is complete and thorough bullshit to loot the ignorant masses. There's some really sick shit going on here.

This child like mini video will help give you some perspective on these insignificant trace gasses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYLmLW4k4aI

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:35 | Link to Comment Nootropic
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I'm pretty sure Svante Arrhenius wasn't bought out by anybody back in the 1890s, when he published the first paper on the possibility global warming by anthropogenic causes.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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you might want to investigate the methodology of surface temperature collection (try wattsupwiththat.com for starters).

the point is that, the data collection is so bad (and everything else is a poorly constructed proxy), and we're considering such a short period of time relative to the earth's formation, that skepticism is warranted (NOTE: skepticism <> denial)

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Just to address random bogus global warming denial excuses like yours I linked to four separate, easily digestible pieces of evidence from all around the globe. You only need to follow the links.

If you still think it's just one vast left-wing conspiracy to make you pay more tax then you need your head examined.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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thanks for the lack of hostility in your response.  I appreciate it.  I viewed your links.  Bottom line is, I'm not claiming a vast left-wing conspiracy.  I'm just pointing out that if you look at the temp anomaly proxies, you can find whatever you want.  At the end of the day, anyone who has been in the markets long enough will realize that these guys (on BOTH sides) are just data mining. End of story.

Do we want to set policy on data mining?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:17 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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I'm just pointing out that if you look at the temp anomaly proxies, you can find whatever you want.

Just to give you a market analogy, if you ever see such simple stohastics/histograms of lows and highs:

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2009/images/temps_2.jpg

which is showing such a strong trend then I'd strongly suggest to not go short at the bottom of the solar cycle. Really.

Man-made global warming was settled science years ago even if it's inconvenient to you - the difference is that now all the signs of the global warming process and its volatility side-effects are more and more obvious to the layperson as well, via pictures, simple graphs and first-hand experience.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:38 | Link to Comment nihilist
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Graphs?  You mean the Hockey Schtick? If man made global warming was settled years ago then answer these questions ... stop pussy footing ...

 

Logic is there?  WTF?  Okay, let's stipulate that you are, in fact, logical, then please explain the resulting blackbody radiation emitted by the earth using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law and why a linear increase in CO2 results in a linear increase in effective warming and how the resultant warming somehow neglects the 2nd law of thermodynamics?  Furthermore, please explain why the effective warming caused by the absorption of IR by CO2 is greater than the effective warming that results from the absorption of IR by dihydrogen oxide.

Hint:  You will not find the answer on NPR. 

The fact of the matter is, a linear increase in effective warming would require an exponential increase in CO2 (which we do not have nor will we ever attain).  Secondly, you can't escape the 2nd law of thermodynamics, as heat, in the absence of work, will always flow from a region of warmer temperatures to a region of cooler temperatures.  You need to do work to make energy flow from a cooler region to a warmer region.  If the global warming alarmists somehow figured out that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is moot then why am I still paying electricity to keep my refrigerator cold.  Even if you bubble wrap the entire planet heat will still escape, unless there's some force doing some work that keeps it all bottled in.  Any kid with a decent understanding of Physics can grasp this concept.

What I would like to know is what the inverse correlation is between the Global Warming Hockey SCHTICK and the average IQ of global warming alarmists.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:08 | Link to Comment IEVI
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+++++ thank you

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:48 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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"Man-made global warming was settled science years ago even if it's inconvenient to you"

You have no idea how full of shit you are.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:37 | Link to Comment Nootropic
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Then where was Arrhenius wrong?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 08:55 | Link to Comment Overflow-admin
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Such simle trend doesn't explain anything.

 

I think you are scared because all the ballyhoo about "higer temps means stronger hurricanes" and all that shit. Just learn some basics about meteorology (deltaT between latitudes implications).

"higer temps means less ice". Once again, go back learn physics. Ever heard "sublimation"? Still believing the ice melts only because T > 0°C?

 

Sheeple un jour, sheeple toujours.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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duplicate post

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:57 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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"Just to address random bogus global warming denial excuses"

ACO2GW is complete and thorough nonsense, good lord! You have been sold a bill of goods More Critical and the more you try to explain the lie the dumber you look!


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 04:44 | Link to Comment Sheepneck
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I like how he approaches you with civility, and you lash out at him like a dog with rabies.  It's a clear sign that you are a douche. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 10:52 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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Indeed, I appear to be a douche to all the dumb shits that have imaged after this fraud.

Now go back in the field and smell up all that methane you burp out of your Sheepneck ass. How's that for "civility" Asswipe?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:51 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Of course! Taking the Earth's temperature is as simple as observing that it is round. Of course! I could just as well say your denial of criticism of global warming is exactly the same as denial of criticism of the world being round. But of course, that would be a waste of time on a stupid troll.

LOL, nice graphic moron. Talk about one of the dumbest ways to take the Earth's temperature. Geez, you have some serious science skills sucker.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:02 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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LOL, nice graphic moron. Talk about one of the dumbest ways to take the Earth's temperature. Geez, you have some serious science skills sucker.

Graph reading 101 for dummies:

  1. read the labels, because unlike labels on your medication they actually matter
  2. if a graph says "number of record low temperatures measured" then do not assume that it is temperature itself that is graphed. Assume what the label says: that it's the number of record low temperatures measured.
  3. if a graph has been trending up for 50 years in a robust trend then it will take a truly exceptional force to stop that trend. Note: a solar cycle maximum that is approaching (meaning even higher temperatures starting this year and peaking sometime in 2014) is an exceptional force but it will strengthen the trend of warming.

I hope this was clear enough!

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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130 / 4.5 x 10^9 = 0.000000029

Sampling range / Earth's age = Who gives a shit

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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You are making one of the oldest mistakes one can do when dealing with probabilities and sample sizes.

Lets take a real-life example, to bring it closer to you:

If a large rock is falling down a cliff, straight towards you, do you start considering how old the rock is (easily a billion years old!) and how small a sample size those 10 feets are since you've been able to observe the falling rock?

rock age: 1 billion years

observation time: 2 seconds

sampling range: 0.0000000000000063%

Or do you take action based on its trajectory and jump aside, to avoid being smashed dead?

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:39 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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This has to be one of the most retarded things ever written. When a rock is about to fall on you, why would you run an experiment? You already know what is going to happen. Science is about organized experimentation and observation to learn, not to prove the obvious. I guess retardo here thinks all science is just confirming what liberal hippies already know. If only you had been able to tell RA Fisher this! All the time wasted by scientists on duplicate experiments and readings! Thanks for the laughable pseudo intellectualism there pal. Oldest mistakes indeed. You really do think you're smart, don't you?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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When a rock is about to fall on you, why would you run an experiment? You already know what is going to happen.

I can now turn your own broken logic against you:

  • How do you know it's not a bird?
  • The sample size is too small!
  • Should there be no more observations?
  • What about the methodology?
  • Check this link, there's an article about systematic failures in falling rock observations!
  • It's a conspiracy by jump-lovers to make you jump!
  • Do not fear the falling rock, God will protect you!

Yes, to the overwhelming majority of climatologists the global warming situation is as clear as to you a falling rock situation would be: they might not know exactly what color of pulp your head will turn into, but they are pretty sure that if you do not jump the rock will seriously hurt or even kill you.

Does that explain it to you?

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:10 | Link to Comment philgramm
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one request, kind sir.  Would you please refrain from hijacking whole threads?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:17 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You got me! How do I know a rock isn't a bird! Yeah, how do I know?

You are working on the assumption over and over that a very simple and obvious observation like observing a rock falling is the same as observing the Earth's temperature. If you think that, there is nothing anyone can do that can fix your stupidity. Anyone with any bit of science background would shudder at the prospect of trying to make that measurement once let alone consistently over a 50 year time span. This does not dawn on you because you are retarded.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:22 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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If you think that proves anything, you do not understand science. There are so many things wrong with that it is ridiculous. Record high? What the hell does that even tell you? Certain days the maximum recorded temperature was higher than the any other maximum recorded temperature on that day. That's how you take the Earth's temperature which has to be one of the most complicated and difficult readings to make if possible at all? LOL. You are completely devoid of all critical thinking skills which are needed when talking about science. But don't let me stop you from making a fool out of yourself.

50 years is nothing in geologic time. To somehow hold 50 years up as a long time just proves again that you are completely retarded.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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I replied to a similar argument in the post above:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/when-keynesian-correlation-causation-kr...

Man-made global warming was settled science years ago even if it's inconvenient to you - the difference is that now all the signs of the global warming process and its volatility side-effects are more and more obvious to the layperson as well, via pictures, simple graphs and first-hand experience.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:40 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You don't even understand science let alone climate science. Good for a laugh though. Please stick around.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:51 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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"Man-made global warming was settled science years ago"

This is a pathology, a brand a of totaltarianism which MCT shares with Chairman Mao and the lot of 20th century butchers.

Neither the IPCC nor the "enlightened" members of society get to decide what is
"settled science". You fucking twit, you don't see the hypocrisy in saying "settled science" iin the same thread in which you mocked flat earthers. A flat earth was "settled science" for centuries, the authorities in society declared it so.

 

There is plenty of dissent in the scientific community which in and of itself is remarkable given the professional witchhunt that accompanies any such dissent. Pieces of shit like MCT laying the hammer on dissenters, taking their funding, prospects for tenure etc.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

MCT you are truly amongst the lowest form of humanity left on the planet. This people is the scientific dictatorship of which monsters of the 20th century could only dream.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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A flat earth was "settled science" for centuries, the authorities in society declared it so.

Epic fail in history.

Even the Greeks knew that the planet was round - they even estimated its size with astonishing accuracy. (The Greeks even correctly estimated the Earth's distance to the Moon...)

People in the medieval ages were not dumb and knew it as well - they were seafarers and they knew when to accept obvious evidence.

"Flat earth" is a nice sounding urban legend.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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You really are the most epically dense motherfucker in history.

Knowledge and discernment aside, the "authorities" in western society (at the time, the Church) declared it so and so it was.

You really don't see a parallel here?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:06 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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Moreover scumbag you fail to address the heart of the matter that dissent in the scientific community is severely punsihed as "denial", accompanied by grave financial consequences to the infidel.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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To preempt another glib non-response, substitute flat earth with geocentrism or heliocentricity.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:30 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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It is funny you mention history since if you knew anything about scientific history, you'd know that the scientists that are quick to yell "this is settled!" are the ones that are always wrong and self serving careerist douches.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:51 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Just as a friendly tip. There are different levels of science pertaining to if something is 'settled' or not. The first level is an hypothesis. Basically a proposed explanation on how something works. Dr. Cork Soaker says CO2 goes up and Earth temperature goes up. That's an hypothesis. Next is a theory. This is an hypothesis that stands up to most experiments and tests. Einstein's General and Special Theories of Relativity are still theories. Laws are theories that are generally settled science that everyone agrees are pretty much iron clad 100% right. Newton's Laws are a funny example since Einstein's work effectively revised them for extreme conditions.

Global Warming is not settled science. It actually sits on a level not mentioned above. It is on the "bullshit we made up to make fascists happy and get grants and get hot naive coeds in our "labs"" level.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:41 | Link to Comment nihilist
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Since you insist on being the copy and paste renegade, I will do the same ...

Logic is there?  WTF?  Okay, let's stipulate that you are, in fact, logical, then please explain the resulting blackbody radiation emitted by the earth using the Stefan-Boltzmann Law and why a linear increase in CO2 results in a linear increase in effective warming and how the resultant warming somehow neglects the 2nd law of thermodynamics?  Furthermore, please explain why the effective warming caused by the absorption of IR by CO2 is greater than the effective warming that results from the absorption of IR by dihydrogen oxide.

Hint:  You will not find the answer on NPR. 

The fact of the matter is, a linear increase in effective warming would require an exponential increase in CO2 (which we do not have nor will we ever attain).  Secondly, you can't escape the 2nd law of thermodynamics, as heat, in the absence of work, will always flow from a region of warmer temperatures to a region of cooler temperatures.  You need to do work to make energy flow from a cooler region to a warmer region.  If the global warming alarmists somehow figured out that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is moot then why am I still paying electricity to keep my refrigerator cold.  Even if you bubble wrap the entire planet heat will still escape, unless there's some force doing some work that keeps it all bottled in.  Any kid with a decent understanding of Physics can grasp this concept.

What I would like to know is what the inverse correlation is between the Global Warming Hockey SCHTICK and the average IQ of global warming alarmists.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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"Assume what the label says"

 

Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups helium head!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:53 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Double post bitchez!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:18 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Whom do you believe, government satellite pictures or your own damn lying eyes?

 

We talking about the same government that says there is no inflation? Incarcerated Japanese Americans during WWII? Destroyed crops during TGD 1.0/Dust Bowl while went hungry? Allows banks to use Mark-to-Unicorns-Shitting-Skittles accounting? Collected gold, then revalued the dollar? Gave Vioxx the stamp of approval? Assured us "It was contained to Sub-Prime?"

I can go all night, Sunshine. Next!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Whom do you believe, government satellite pictures or your own damn lying eyes?"

I'm goin with the latter.

Am I claiming that the entire global warming scare and the attendant "green meme" was just another ruse to have the worker part with even more of their hard earned cash?...why, yes I am.

It's well documented that air temperature monitoring stations were placed (by incompetence, not design) next to heat sources. Asphalt parking lots, automobile exhaust, air conditioning compressors etc. It's also well documented that the IPCC was fed bad science by interested parties who received grant money from the state. It is also well documented that known past temperatures were fed into current "climate models" and they failed to predict what is already known. It is also well documented that NASA received millions of dollars from the "shovel ready jobs stimulus" to come up with better models...ya know, cause the last ones sucked hind tit...if you get my drift. 

It is also well documented that Al Gore's "hockey stick" graph (which he made millions on the movie rights) is a complete fucking fraud due to his completely discounting a very well known warming period...however it is also well known that no "climate scientist" stepped forward to say...ummm Al, about that stupid little graph of yours. Why?

It is also well known that an honest, albeit irate, hacker blew the lid off this farcical attempt of theft by elites by dumping the East Anglia emails onto the world stage...only a statist, like you, would come here sniveling about dropping their last dollar into the now bankrupt and closed CCX that was backed by Gore & Goldman Sachs. 

I would feel sorry for you if I didn't have an overriding urge to kick your ass for sucking innocent people into your little bait & switch.

Good night you fucking dick.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:48 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Yep

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Sathington Willougby
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We're going to die.  We know.

 

Yawn.

 

Here's some Iron Maiden lyrics to ease you through it:

 

Another prophet of disaster

to say this ship is lost

another prophet of disaster

leaving you to count the cost

taunting us with visions

afflicting us with fear

Predicting war for millions

in the hope that one appear

 

No point asking when it is,
No point asking who's to go,
No point asking what's the game,
No point asking who's to blame.

 

If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.
If you're gonna try, well stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna die, you're gonna die,
Gonna die! Die with your boots on,
If you're gonna try, well stick around,
Gonna cry, just move along,
If you're gonna die, you're gonna die!

 

Die with your fucking boots on or fuck off b------z

 

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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We're going to die.  We know.

No, unfortunately you are not going to die first - it will be millions of others in poorer countries who will be squeezed out of food supplies before prices get high enough so that you reduce your consumption of food as well.

Tunisia and Egypt was probably only the beginning.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:38 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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is that because we drive SUVs, or other factors?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:49 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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It's mostly because we in the West over-consume food and bid up prices when there's supply/demand pressure.

When was the last time you threw out bread just because it was three days old?

Our demand for food is very inelastic: we are willing to pay $1, $2, $4 for a loaf of bread without it really hurting financially. We might moan about it, but we will pay up.

But if food stays too expensive due to supply shortages then people in the poorest countries start starving and dying - and even at that stage we still have not stopped throwing out bread and have not stopped sucking up supplies and driving up prices.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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And my heart goes out to them, which is why I give away quite a bit of my annual income (to local street dwellers in my neighborhood) .

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:41 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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It would be even better to give them jobs.

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

The same concept applies to third world countries as well. And that's where western charity comes to a grinding halt, rather hypocritically.

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment captain_menace
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"Build a man a fire, and you warm him for a day.  Light a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life."

Same idea.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:30 | Link to Comment Mercury
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The West has to be producing more food than it consumes, certainly the US and Canada produce way more food than their peoples consume.  So how is it that the West is aggravating food demand upwards if they produce a net food surplus?

Also, what caused and ended the last five or six ice ages?  Are these cycles permanently suspended because enlightened leftists now roam the earth?  If anthropogenic global warming is actually delaying the next (overdue just about) ice age I for one am totally cool with that.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:51 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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The West has to be producing more food than it consumes, certainly the US and Canada produce way more food than their peoples consume.  So how is it that the West is aggravating food demand upwards if they produce a net food surplus?

Firstly, food supplies are pretty much fixed, with a delay of how much time it takes to sow and harvest - which is at least half a year.

So regardless of who produces the food, the inflexibility of demand is starving people - and those whose demand is the most inflexible (the west) is squeezing the poorest the most.

Food prices are equal globally - but income is very asymmetric - and this causes the friction.

Secondly, this food is obviously produced for a nice profit and farming is government-subsidized as well in the west.

So poor countries often do not have the capital to start their own efficient food production. (nor do they have the political stability for efficient agriculture - so it's a seemingly never ending cycle of violence.)

In theory high food prices might improve that: it makes food production more profitable. Unfortunately it will probably be temporary: the drop in supplies is not that large (it's just the inflexibility of demand that creates such large price swings) and the yearly increase in demand is not big enough either. (and that increase of demand is mostly population growth related - which is larger for poorer countries.)

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:29 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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We have celiac sprue, bread is a non sequitur.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 00:59 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Maybe you, but tens of millions would stop buying bread if it was $4. (not to mention put it out of reach for about 2 billion other people around the world...but that doesn't get a mention does it?)

Why are there supply shortages? Big agro companies over generations, through bullshit free trade practices undercutting local rice/wheat/etc farmers.  After a generation or so, places like Haiti, which used to EXPORT rice, now goes hungry because monsanto says their money isn't worth anything.  (they still want their terminator seed)

I'm skipping tons, but finally after all this we have Genocide Ben printing money like the SEC does pictures of midget porn.

No it's due to shortages because of why? Oh yeah, you create the conditions for shortages in the midst of everything else.  This is called, market making...but not in stocks like Blakenfein, but in FOOD. 

Why send scraps to people, when we could let them raise tariffs, so big-agro doesn't decimate the local farmers.  Oh yeah, we can do that. They can do that.  Everyone can do that.

Just like we can do Glass-Steagall

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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LOL!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:55 | Link to Comment jobs1234
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And this is an argument for keeping rates at zero?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment jimijon
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Let's see...

We just got hit with a major gamma burst from the Crab Nebulae. The north poll is moving 40miles per year into russia. Our solar system is entering a newly discovered energetic belt in the galaxy and the sun is acting ... well not expectedly. Yet we must believe that effluence of man and life is the cause? 

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Does this mean we shouldn't make each other angry, we wouldn't like it when we're angry?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:22 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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"The north pole is moving 40miles per year into russia."

Link, please. 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:00 | Link to Comment Donutwarrior
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Global warming is and has been bullshit for years.  The manipulated falsified statistics and falsified raw data have permanently destroyed any credibility for this fraud.  None of the data can be trusted, the statistical techniques used to analyze the data are faulty and the modeling doesn't work.  There are plenty of actual measured data from satellites which demonstrate the key theoretical basis (CO2 traps heat, which causes higher H2O content, which increases temps) is false, the earth's measured radiation budget does not show trapped heat due to CO2.

 

Don't quote weather statistics to "prove" global warming, it can't and doesn't prove it.  Although record snows and cold do make for funny slams on warmist/alarmists...it doesn't really matter.  We have very short periods of accurate records, which have only very recently spread much outside of major cities.  Climate is not weather. 

That Krugman would go there is utterly predictable for the lying scum that he is....but the correlation is pretty good to DEBT to GDP....

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:11 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You just don't get it do you? We had some thermometers at a couple cities around the globe, I mean all over the globe now, to measure planet's temperature. There was activity and construction near a couple of the thermometers and technology and personnel reading the instruments may not have been consistent between sites and over time but we got the temperature readings, thanks Gaia! So then we ran this program on a computer with like Ghz of processing power. We ran these super complicated models which tended to veer off saying the Earth would be a desert or a snowball 99.9999% of the time so what we did is average these ridiculous results to get a super accurate result. We averaged like a billion simulations to get a super duper accurate result. When we compared these numbers to the numbers on the thermometers, after a little fudging on both sides - hey, they were both crap anyways so what does it matter? - like I said we compared these two sets of data and they actually matched! Can you believe it? This proves that we were right and that we need a large grant for our own institute and that I need a hot young babe as a secretary and some naive and impressionable babes in my "lab" that consists of a computer arcade... oh, and uh, (reading from government memo) the government needs to control everything in your life.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Nootropic
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So why did the northwest passage open up for the first time in a few dozen million years just recently?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Shrunken teste man is back..  Have you found a set of conclusions that make it possible to falsify GW or are you and your tribe of luddites willing to fess up, it's a religion...

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:41 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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I like to think that you really are just a fucking masochist not paid by the post.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 10:13 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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I like to think you have a brain but that would be an incorrect conclusion on my part.  Now tell us all how the science of GW can be disproven, if a set of observations cannot disprove this "science"  it is not science, it is religion.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:15 | Link to Comment Meridian
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I thought you were merely a Keynesian buffoon, but you are a scientific illiterate as well. The only thing settled here is that you are an annoying little twit who thinks twenty minutes on Wikipedia makes him an expert.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:20 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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What Wall Steet sophisticated looters are to their Washington's bitchez...The CO2 causing global warming looting the masses crowd is to all their useful idiot bitchez!

 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 07:32 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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May the Flying Spaghetti Monster continue to wave his noodly appendage(s) for you!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Rainman
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....damn, Paulie's gone totally mad.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment tickhound
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Paul's putting the finishing touches on the future conspiracy theory... "How your government timed financial implosion with solar/polar/galactic/cyclical/man made cataclysm"

Mainstream headline will read "worldwide cataclysm thwarts economic recovery" by Paul Krugman

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:54 | Link to Comment docj
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I keep fretting that one day Paulie Krugnuts will manage to pile so much weapons-grade stupid into a single column that it will create a singularity of stupid that will consume us all.

And I fear this column would almost be enough to accomplish that feat.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Misean
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It's sort of neutron star. I teaspoon of it is enough to mentally enfeeble an entire mensa convension.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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I looked directly at the article.  I'm a goner.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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didn't know we had students of astrophysics on ZH.  Krugman's brain is indeed close to a state of infinite density; let the formation of singularities begin

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:31 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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"...let the formation of singularities begin"

LHC/CERN is working on that, once they manage to isolate the "God particle". (Higgs-Boson)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Misean
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I love Freddy Kruger. This idiot, more than any other, has singlehandedly proven that the noble prizes are nothing more than plaques handed out by local lodge members to each other.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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I gave myself one.  Want one too?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:56 | Link to Comment jobs1234
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He just doesnt want to blame Ben, thats all. His rants in defense of Ben have become more and more shrill.

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Paul Krugman should get the Nobel Prize for Genius.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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He did. Same with Al Gore and Obama.

The Genius award for excellence in spreading horse shit.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:19 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Liesman also got a similar award

"Liesman was a leader of the team of The Wall Street Journal reporters awarded the 1999 Pulitzer Prize in the international reporting category for in-depth analytical coverage"

If you can believe that shit and what a cockamamey world we live in.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Join the Dots Competition

Nobel Award Committee = Socialist Govt of Norway

Nobel Winner = Krugman (socialist)

Nobel Winner = Al Gore (socialist)

Nobel Winner = UN IPCC (Marxists)

Nobel Winner = Obama (socialist)

Not hard to join the dots here is it?  ...self-certifying and self-congratulating socialists, an annual pilgrimage to put a glossy shine on turds 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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That's pretty funny.

You're a funny guy, ignoring the slack-jawed deference to White Capital each and every person/group on this list slovenly adheres.

It's almost as if ZeroHedge posters ignore the rule of Capital on our planet in order to convince themselves that theft is the best way to organize a society.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:31 | Link to Comment UncleFester
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I think most on ZH understand the difference between credit and capital.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 19:59 | Link to Comment hannah
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so if i came on here and stated it wasnt caused by global warming but by squirrels...people would think i was an idiot. krugman repeated makes absolutely stupid comments but he is considered 'smart'.....why do we even reference these idiots?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Rodent Freikorps
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Up Rodentia!!!

I welcome our coming squirrel overlords.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Crummy
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No matter what side of the global warming debate you are on it's a simple fact that real energy costs of product importation far out strip the manipulated currency costs of product importation. Without even taking into consideration the price manipulation in the oil markets and its effect on the value of our own currency, if the world operated on sound money principles, real energy costs would be reflected in such actions resulting less fossil fuels used worldwide.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment macholatte
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so why does everybody and his ass follow/read/quote Krugman?

 

Admiration is the daughter of ignorance.
Benjamin Franklin

You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
Buddha

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
Vince Lombardi


If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms.
Mike Ditka

 

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:36 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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know your enemy, to answer your question.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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He's like a car wreck. You know what you're gonna see, but you can't help but look anyways.

nmewn ;-)

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:19 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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ok that is a good one!  Even I can't find a way to defend Krugman!  He should point out third world monetary policy as a culprit in third world starvation and inflation, because the third world cpi is not the same as a developed world cpi, and they require unique policies, not merely copy our policies and target the dollar, but of course he had to bring in global warming cuz that is a leftists dream. 

 

Whether or not global warming is man made, whether or not global warming currently is normal variation given a million year temperature data series versus a few thousand years, all that is yet to be seen.  But global warming is so useful to the left that even if it weren't true, they would have had to invent it.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 23:34 | Link to Comment UncleFester
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Yeah...but are you calling a top on Krugman or on Global Warming?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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what Krugman hasn't worked out yet, because his equally retarded Govt funded crony scientists also haven't, is that a 1 or 2 Degree increase in global temperature would INCREASE plant growth and therefore crop output. Cold or cooler temps' are the enemy of increasing food output.

The infamous and most bent report in climate change is Rent-a-Lord Nicholas Sterns for the British Govt that 'priced carbon'. This hysterically biased piece of shit only looked at the negatives of warming temps', not any of the pluses for the planet. Rent-a-crony Stern also neglected to mention or even calculate increasing CO2 (natures greatest fertilizer and air-bourne growth agent) is also a positive for increasing crop yields and harvests.

What Krugman knows about economics could be written on the head of a pin. What he knows about temperature, climate and crop yields would require splitting the atom to find! 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:42 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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that a 1 or 2 Degree increase in global temperature would INCREASE plant growth and therefore crop output

  You are a fucking idiot....it is now completely clear and obvious....

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:54 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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actually, he's spot on. 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yes he is.

I have found the progressive/statist mindset a great contrarian indicator.

Short whatever they accept...go long whatever they reject...so far, so good...LOL.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Agree absolutely the Govt is the greatest contrarian indicator, almost everything they say from every Dept today is a fuking lie... we're drowning in BS from them all

the socialists and shrill green empties of Greenpeace et al have no understanding of either the planet or its ecology... the scare story (Govt funded propaganda) of +2 Degrees and CO2 rising from 360ppm to 500ppm all we can say is "bring it on please" and 3 trillion creatures will say exactly the same

The Govt and Greens have once again painted themselves into a corner wearing Dunce hats for being the usual most ignorant 'Cry Wolf' loonies in class ....same as it ever was

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:46 | Link to Comment Nootropic
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Only when CO2 is the limiting reactant.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Your a dunce and you have no idea what your talking about, hack..

 

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:08 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Actually, he forgot to mention that increased CO2 by itself will increase yields. Greenhouses pump in CO2 for the plants. It isn't for warmth either in case you are that stupid.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Don't poke the GW religionists with logic or facts their little pointed heads swell and they become quite testy..

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 10:32 | Link to Comment chunkylover42
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That must be why there are records of vineyards as far north as the UK and cotton plantations as far north as Toronto. 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:34 | Link to Comment Cocopele
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In C sharp Tyler...and some additional correlation from a nice little speech made yesterday to the congress of deputies of spain by Christina Figueres Executive Secretary on United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change in Madrid. 

Just more clarity on the actual gameplan of the UN.  World War and starvation for all... Love the mixed metaphors of peace and destruction.... Growth for the developing world and massive shrinkage (greater than 50%) in the economies of the developed world. so warm and fuzzy and such a great recipe for WWIII, global slavery and population reduction.  Link to speech and  Excerpts below:

http://unfccc.int/2860.php

 

"Similarly, no agreement was reached on the year in which global emissions need to peak. Science tells us what is needed: a global peaking in 2015 and a 50% reduction compared to 2000 levels by 2050. 

Ladies and gentlemen, this should be a wake-up call to the world! For if we do not manage to constrain carbon to the recommended level, we will collectively lose the ability to turn the mitigation key and miss the opportunity to put the world on a pathway that does not hold a large potential for conflict.  It is critical that the Cancun Agreements are speedily built upon and that every opportunity is used by all sectors of economies to implement the agreements.  Cancun provided a clear policy direction towards global low-carbon economic growth, which primarily means low-carbon energy. Although they come from different directions, this is where the international response to climate change and national defence policies mesh together, because the world desperately needs a new model of human development that is sustainable and stable - a model that breeds peace, not war.  Global, low-carbon growth is the only realistic and achievable model that we now have on the table. Growth because the developing world needs it. Low-carbon because the whole world needs it."

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Clayton Bigsby
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I would derive great joy from shitting on krugman's monkey head

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:09 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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This is a clip of Krugman contemplating his greatest theory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx4UEe98EkY

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 02:59 | Link to Comment Coldfire
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He beat you to it.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 20:57 | Link to Comment cunningtrader
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GS has the algo for the GTE EX, it's est worth is around 70tr. Yoda says,

"Worth bullshitting for, it is"

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:00 | Link to Comment Shameful
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Of course Krugman would support the air tax.  It's been the wild eyed dream of tyrants since the dawn of time, to collect taxes from the very air mankind breathes. Even if one was brought down to a stone age level of technology they would still be emitting carbon, about 840lbs a year simply by breathing (not to mention burning wood for heat or cooking). http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/fq/emissions.html

Of course if one cannot afford to pay the tax then they must stop the activity...

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:37 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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It's like Spaceballs.

Or T. Boone Pickens, the water thief.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:01 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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Wow ... Deleting post now. But the jew bashing and mindless double post are welcome !!!

..... the " shark " has been jumped !!! F@cking Pathetic ~

 

 

 

.... " For the first five weeks of 2011, U.S. railroads reported cumulative volume of 1,409,975 carloads, up 6.4 percent from last year, and 1,061,348 trailers and containers, up 5.7 percent from the same point in 2010. " .................

 

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:01 | Link to Comment dwdollar
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You have got to be fucking shitting me.  How does The Onion stay in business when the real world is 3x more ridiculous these days?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:08 | Link to Comment Misean
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Well, The Onion posts actual news...

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:05 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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Krugman is a stereotype Eastern European Jewish socialist. His cultural bias informs his belief system. After you've been through a few pogroms, you tend to want everybody to just get along. The best way to do that is make everybody equal. Of course, people aren't equal, especially Ashkenazys. They are the smartest people in the world and would naturally be the elite in any workers' paradise- witness Trotsky. These socialists want to herd everybody into ghettos where they can be controlled by their betters. The only difference between socialists and fascists is the spelling.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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...the article was written by a 'lohman' and referenced a 'glickstein'.  are you serious?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Misean
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I thought he was talking about Spellings...I'm just trying to figure out which ones. I've always thought Tori a bit of a horse face myself.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:23 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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I said "stereotype" FOCer.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment FOC 1183
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fair point.  so noted

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:15 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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Thank you. You are a gentle(wo?)man and a scholar.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:10 | Link to Comment cunningtrader
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The problem the elites have, with carbon trading, is convincing the man on the street, that a new tax, can stop cows eructions, and trees dropping leaves, which means methane, which has a 21x contributary factor over and above carbon to greenhouse gases..... Of course the big daddy, volcanic eruptions, can wipe out a concerted man made carbon reduction scheme over 5 years in 20 minutes......

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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These douchebag wannnabe policy makers have to scare you in order to control you. That way you will willingly give up your liberty for "safety."

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:41 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Not "elites" - a word that lacks content and meaning - but CAPITALISTS!

The banker-gangsters know that making a market in carbon is free money, so the policy-makers they own try to ramrod it through.

The world is ruled by Capital.  And it's the CAPITALISTS that want to trade carbon.  Just like they trade human flesh.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:19 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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Carbon credits without government mandates are dead money. They have nothing to do with capitalism and everything to do with statism.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 01:03 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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No.  Carbon-Trading is all about the derivatives.

That's the whole point.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:22 | Link to Comment chump666
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Keynesianism will be buried this year

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Misean
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Where? The Superfund toxic dump clean up costs are perfect Keynsian stimulus projects!

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 21:42 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Soon to be followed by Capitalism.  500 years of rape, slaughter, genocide and pillage is plenty, thank you very much.

Time for something different.

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:20 | Link to Comment fragrantdingleberry
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Like what?

Wed, 02/16/2011 - 22:49 | Link to Comment Ham Wallet
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