When Storming The Bastille Is Not An Option, The Parliament Will Do
Greek taxpayers are not happy, and in this clip from Bloomberg, they make it painfully obvious. With parliament now having officially passing austerity measures, the question remains: will strikes and demonstrations persist, or will the Greeks tire out and go back to their old, and much poorer, ways. Alternatively, with the ruling PASOK party now certain to plummet in popularity, what would happen if the ND is voted back in ahead of time? They already made it clear that austerity is not an option. And with all of European posturing focused on what Greece promises to do, should those promises be recanted, what then?
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on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 18:33
#255606
Viva la Rev!!!!!!
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 18:37
#255613
Heads of state in Europe must be gulping a bit when they see those pictures.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:13
#255651
No. They're merely seeing how this scaled down version would play out in the US.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:54
#255870
Nothing will play out in USA. People are absolutely fucking lame in USA. Here is a workable scenario. The 3% of people that get they are being fucked will get tired of fighting and they will leave. Remaining redundant protoplasm will simply deform the country few notches down and situation fixes itself after 30 years. Some of people who left, or their offspring return.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:11
#256085
Uh huh.
...Wait until they can't afford their beer, weed, Cheetos, text message plan and cable Tee Vee.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:59
#256297
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my sativa and all, but what the f can one do alone? I do not play the stock market and have taken all of my FRNs out of that system. I am strategically defaulting and challenging my credit cards on the basis of the lack of a bilateral contract between me and the credit card company. I do not use credit or debit and work on a cash only basis. I have written editorials that have been placed in my local paper to inform the people outside of my world of the couple hundred people I know. I have written to and visited my pirate Congressman having no effect.
I have tried to show everyone that I encounter that the wealth of 155,000,000 Americans has been fraudulently stolen and placed into the hands of 400. The people I discuss this with wish I would just leave them alone so that they can go and drink beer and watch the game while they ignore their children.
Violence doesn't seem to be the answer and anyone who dare try that, something I wish not to do, is grossly outgunned.
The efforts I have expended have been for nothing. Anyone who does listen and understands the theft that has taken place ignorantly tells me to vote them out for good Republican.
What does one do when they know Goldman Sach's golden dill-rod has been firmly placed into the arse of each and every one of us? I've have done all I know to do except for stopping the payment of my taxes as that will just land me firmly into the gulag prison system that exists? I grow tired of this and would like to see a change back to actual free-market capitalism, but I am out of ideas as to what I can do to change anything.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 16:52
#256355
Buy gold, so you can say I told you so? wait, buy gold so you are still alive to say whatever it is you want to say. The million Doelarr question: Who will be the 100th monkey?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 18:27
#256409
+1
Well said. Depressingly so.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 07:08
#256777
"Violence doesn't seem to be the answer and anyone who dare try that, something I wish not to do, is grossly outgunned."
I take it that violence has never been your job...
Our society is a lot more fragile than most, even here, realize. If people become angry enough, there are enough people with the means, skills, and training to pull the world down around themselves.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 17:01
#257164
WAKE UP! Your already in the prison system.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 20:06
#256493
I already cant afford Beer weed and Cheetos! Damn maybe
I should join the revolution where do I sign up!
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:56
#255871
Nothing will play out in USA. People are absolutely fucking lame in USA. Here is a workable scenario. The 3% of people that get they are being fucked will get tired of fighting and they will leave. Remaining redundant protoplasm will simply deform the country few notches down and situation fixes itself after 30 years. Some of people who left, or their offspring return.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 20:03
#256492
NO, IF this plays out in the USA, there will be bloodshed
and gunshots heard -and many police and politicians will
lose their lives. We had better hope it never comes to
civil unrest here in the USA, especially with right wing
protestors who are armed to the teeth. There arent enough
police and military in the USA to take on a pissed off american population.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:05
#255834
Why would they? Without the force of arms, the populace is powerless.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:25
#255893
The populace is powerless because they are ignorant, which is not necessarily their fault. Ever heard of Mahatma Ghandi?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 16:55
#256357
WWGD? Yeah, when is he coming back? We could use him right about now. I guess Celente will have to do.....
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:25
#255932
Communist East Grmany's government was overthrown by peaceful demonstrations.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:07
#255985
The East German government capitulate due to its admission of its moral bankruptcy. The Greek is far from this conclusion as to its moral state.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:08
#256030
Guns weren't being pointed at the escape helicopter of Argentina's de la Rua either...
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 18:50
#255617
Project Mayhem Iceland edition, was pretty tame. PM Greece won't be anywhere near as tame.
Added: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_1AB81KLo Fast Forward to 7:33. I agree with Max, another 'fan' of GS.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 18:42
#255623
At :55
SPARTA-AAAAAAAAA!
I bet Francine could help get those Greek bonds off to issue.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 18:49
#255624
Well, I guess that's what happens when you rape a bunch of people to the point where they don't have much else to lose. I hope they do eventually storm their parliament and give some of that rape back to their fiscal rapists.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:08
#255648
They are dying to get back to their 700 euro a month jobs.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:15
#255657
Those are the people demanding their fat government jobs and unrealistic pensions. They're a big part of the problem.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:34
#255676
Santelli - "Here’s my problem with this. It takes two to tango. You can’t cheat an honest man." Taibbi - You can’t cheat an honest man? What the fuck does that mean?
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/03/03/santelli-on-predatory-lending...
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:10
#255707
Taibbi is a rarity. A principled, honest reporter with a pair of balls. Look at all the stuff one man has uncovered. Now imagine if their were 100 Matt's in the media.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:32
#255778
Before, Matt, I had no idea that not wanting to pay more taxes made me a racist.
Thank you, Matt, for this moment of self-actualization.
P.S. Now that I know I'm a racist, is it okay to start stuffing the underclass into ovens?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:09
#256257
There are two "Tea Party" movements. There's the one that is presented by the mainstream media and that gets the most attention to the point of overshadowing the other (the "Teabaggers"), and then there's the real one.
Yes, the one that is promoted by mainstream media outlets that are trying to paint the narrative according to their marching orders is filled with your typical idiots that thought everything was terrific and endless spending was OK as long as it was a Republican doing it during the reign of the Bush regime. These are the dead-ender neocons and all the right wingers who somehow still think we need to "finish the job in Iraq and Afghanistan", or at least believe that sort of tripe. These people are real. I know people like this.
Then there are the serious-minded, seriously pissed off, Ron Paul-leaning conservative/libertarian/independent/anarchocapitalist types who make up the real Tea Party movement, the one that happens in large groups in halls and small groups over pizza at countless locations around the country, hidden from the parade of idiocy that is the news industry. These are the real patriots. People who don't necessarily call themselves that, because even that word is being co-opted by dark forces who can't leave anything sacred alone.
Look, it's no secret what's happening here. The so-called "Tea Party movement" started as a genuine expression of The People who were simply fed the fuck up. But the elites controlling the levers are ever vigilant for these types of authentic movements. They try to get out in front of them and infect them when they are in their infancy, then grow along with them like a parasite. They are intent on taking every last thing of goodness on this Earth from us and leave us with nothing but our dependence on them. Pretty soon they'll start trying to hijack Liberty itself; they'll gussy it up, wrap it around themselves and parade it around like their pretty little whore, and wouldn't you like to buy a piece of her? She's cheap and she'll give you everything you want (but don't fall in love). Just vote for me and she love you long time.
That's what's happening here. So don't confuse what you see on TV--the fairy tale being read to you nightly by Papa Leviathan--with what's happening in the real world.
Stop being so fucking gullible and fight.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:38
#256283
This is 100% true. The problem is that overall the Tea Party movement is too damn OLD! Revolutions are not started by old men who are worried about their health care. They are started by young men hanging out on street corners with nothing to do and no hope of tomorrow being any different.
Given how high under 30 unemployment is, the raw material is out there but be forewarned, it will NOT go the way you think it will. The young dont give a damn about arguments over libertarianism or capitalism or socialism. Those are the failed ideologies of the old losers who created this whole mess.
I have no idea what they will rally around and neither does anyone else.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 01:33
#256715
if the young don't give a damn about liberty, then a revolution is pointless.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:03
#256944
Yeah Anon 256283
That young Lenin boy was chewing gum, kicking pop cans on a street corner alright...
Revolutions are multi-faceted, and most of the ingredients are here in the USA.
1.Governments completely out of touch with the people they (purport) to represent.
2. Ballooning, unpayable debts foisted onto those that didn't benefit from the debt.
3. Overwhelming propaganda- completely at odds with what is happening at the street level.
4. Large and growing unemployment and underemployment leading to total disillusionment about the future.
5. Large and growing larger disparity between the "wealthy" and the poor (now the American Middle Class).
6. Recognition that you are not alone in the coming revolution.
And what are we hearing ? Green Shoots (Let them eat cake)
I do not wish for it and I do not want it, but I fear there will be blood.
And the CATALYST is not yet known. Wall Street, Wallmart and "outsourcing" have destroyed the fabric of a once great nation.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 15:24
#256314
Fuckin' outstanding Chumba. Exactly what pisses off the real TP movement is that it's been co-opted by the same idiots that thought Bush was a great president. The real teaparty members can't stand Bush.
But, here's the catch. Our message now gets lumped in with the genetic misfits. That's why I'm pissed. I hate Republicans but everytime I mention true teaparty principles, folks give me both barrels on wanting war in the middle east, or supporting the Patriot Act. Jesus.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 20:21
#256503
nobody thought bush was a great president. thats impossible.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 21:45
#256560
You'd think. But it's true. A lot of them loved him for building up the military and getting tough on terrorism. They think he's a goddamn hero.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:13
#256952
Dubya just built up a bigger, useless bureaucracy, just like the loony left would have.
So rather that having a lean and mean nation in fighting form, we built a "go shopping" nation.
Bush, like Obama, will go down in history, as another disaster of a president, lacking leadership and foresight.
Bush could barely read his cue cards, and Obama is sounding more and more hollow on the Teleprompter.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 18:36
#256413
Pretty soon? That's been happening for years, and moved into overdrive with the passage of the so-called "Patriot" Act. The pretty little whore they're parading around is safety from the terrorists.
Other than that, I couldn't agree with you more.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 19:18
#256451
+1776
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:26
#256098
Taibbi is an excellent financial journalist, but he is a terrible social journalist. Matt apparently has no concept of population ratios and their bearing on raw stats. If whites are 65% of the pop. and 42% of the Medicaid enrollment, doesn't that mean whites are chronically underrepresented on the Medicare rolls?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:17
#255717
Hey Matt:
WHY IS ALWAYS ABOUT RACE WITH YOU PEOPLE? You are much much more obsessed with race than we are, and I can only think of one reason for that to be true. The racial tension exists in YOUR mind, not in mine. Why is that, Matt?
Here in Virginia, the Tea Party is pushing two bills; one of them is an opt-out of national health care bill, and the other one is a firearms measure that exempts guns made and kept in Virginia from federal regulations. Neither of these bills have anything to do with welfare, race, or any of the other crap you try to smear us with in this paragraph:
"This whole scene sort of encapsulates what’s wrong with the Tea Party movement. The movement, and let’s admit this, has some of its roots in legitimate grievances about government waste and some not-entirely-inaccurate observations about what’s left of the American welfare state. Of course what resonates most with the suburban whites who mostly make up the Tea Party are stories about minorities and immigrants using section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid, TANF and other programs, with the Obama stimulus being for them a symbol of this ongoing government largess. The heat of the Tea Party movement comes from the racial frustrations that actually exist out there, in the real world outside New York and LA, as urban expansion and immigration increasingly throw white and nonwhite communities together, with white Tea Party types more and more often blowing gaskets over increased crime rates, declining school standards, and mislaid or wasted tax revenue."
I've never heard any of those things discussed. So, how do you know that's what they're about? Where do you get off telling people that that's what we're about? Are you psychic? You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Wanna know what pushed me into the movement? TARP.
F**k you.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:36
#255725
" (Sarah) Palin supported TARP when it was first implemented, saying that "it is a time of crisis and government did have to step in," and later wrote that Republican opposition to TARP was "not helpful to our cause."" - Media Matters.
Tea-Party keynote speaker? Serious?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:26
#255775
Matt;
Everyone knows how fine the line is between love and hate. The overt expression is generally dwarfed by the covert and hidden true emotion. My guess is, you are in love with Sarah Palin. There is no other rational explanation for you, to have had your head up her ass, this past year.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:40
#255914
When mainstream could no longer dismiss or marginalize the tea party groups, they swooned in to pretend to be a part of it. Nasty Pelosi called them astroturf and weeks later said she represented them too. There's no form for membership and anyone can claim to be one.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:10
#256011
TPs are local. Its that simple. There is no national TP. There is no formal platform. Its just a bunch of pissed off citizens who largely reject both parties. TARP was the kick off.
This youtube is a great example of Tea Party racism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJBQYMZOrN4
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:13
#256012
Great youtube of "official" TeaParty racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJBQYMZOrN4
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:26
#255730
My fiance and I were at the Ft. Lauderdale Tea Party in July. We saw, actually heard, our fair share of hyper-right bigots there.
My favorite poster was "Double Gitmo. There's too many arabs".
Now, how's that not racist?
That was BEFORE the Palin crowd hijacked it. The neocon locals heard "tea party", figured it was anti-tax, and jumped on the bandwagon.
The rally was about, ohh I'm guessing 3/ths Paul supporters and 1/4 retards. And they were obnoxious as hell in those numbers. I could only guess how foul the rallies have become now.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:32
#255777
I never saw, or see, any of that. If I did I'd tell them off. As for Palin, she is a major part of the republican plan to co-opt the movement, and the morons that hosted what they called a "national convention" were neocons themselves AFAIK. I've been to the national march in DC on sept 12th, and there was a wide variety of sentiments represented there, but none of them were racist. I think the dems put out talking points that the tea parties are racist as a means of marginalizing them. The faithful are buying it, but they'd buy two pounds of shit in a one pound bag if the national party told them to.
I'm really pissed off to see Taibbi jump back onto the party wagon so fast and with such weak arguments.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:47
#255819
The Miami Tea Party I went to last year on April 15 had all kinds there, though mostly white and hispanic.
We had fun with our signs and getting cars to honk and give us honks and thumbs-up!
DO NOT underestimate how pissed off regular people (at least these) are, and how they blame both parties, but especially the democrats.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 06:29
#255968
That's my take, too.
Various politicos want to stuff the People into a couple of pigeon holes.
Good luck with that.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:32
#255854
http://www.onpointradio.org/media-player?url=http://www.onpointradio.org...
Good interview to listen too, even attempts to address the racist concerns. Most bothersome to me occurs at 28:34 into it when McQueen brings the concept of armed revolution, "The Bullet Box", into the discussion. I didn't like Bush, what he represented, or did to this country, but I never thought about armed revolution. Why do fascist extremists alway revert to guns?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:24
#255878
I think everyone sort of expects political discourse to be sanitized and perfect, and by its very nature as a decentralized movement, the Tea Party 'aint ready for prime time.
Some people can't accept the fact that ignorant people are disenfranchised, maybe it reminds them of what a dick dad was or something. Because the average JoeTP's basic understanding of what caused their problems is distorted many feel perfectly justified, or even a sense of responsibility, to ridicule them as if their basic grievances aren't legitimate.
Which, I guess, is much easier than trying to put them on the right track by providing a rational counter point to their irrational beliefs.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 12:09
#256157
As someone who is both a progressive democrat, and a tea party supporter I think the polarization here is awful.
In general both believe government does not work. Progressives believe it can be reformed, tea party is kind of get rid of it. Both think the federal reserve is a mess of instance.
for instance if you watch this both ron paul and michael moore realize the system is broken in the same places. they have more in common then they don't. Please watch this video!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hn6ad4_FzM
both know that the problem is the corporate oligarchy
if the two groups actually got together we could get rid of the bozos in office. therefore the oligarchy has to keep the two dissatisfied groups in opposite parties.
Much of the tea party "idiots" is because the left has decided you aren't allowed to be angry. the right encourages and uses that anger for their own purposes. Lots of folks know they are angry, they don't have a real understanding of why that is happening. so the right wing has some easy answers and allows them to express that anger. Remember the republican party can not get elected without appealing to populism and getting folks angry. they used social conservatism in the same way before. I assure you of the establishment coopts the tea party movement they will use it to benefit their corporate masters, just the same way Obama is doing.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:27
#256040
Well SWR, I did. And the tone and style of these monkeys made us sick. They stood openly for so much of what we despise as active members of Campaign for Liberty. . Basically the hard-right RWA crowd. I'm not doubting your experience, but these tea baggers at the Ft. Lauderdale rally made my fiancee and I decide not to participate anymore.
We'd realized right then and there that the movement had been hijacked by ogres.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:02
#256074
Teabaggers...eh? Tell us how you really feel. It is quite obviously apparent where you lean politically and one has to realize that when one uses slander (monkeys, teabaggers) to bolster ones position that ultimately the foundation upon which your argument is premised is weak and unstable!
I'm not advocating for right or left here but it seems to me that it is impossible to bring groups of people together (such as The Tea Parties) who are going to agree 100% on anything and when you resort to Ad Hominem attacks that you weaken the strength of your argument.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:47
#256117
It's very obvious that I lean politically?
Is it possible that I hate both the right and the left? Is it possible that I see no core differences between them? What is possible is the contempt I have for the useful idiots that still believe that shit. People that still take their message from "someone else".
The tea party is full of neanderthols. It sure as hell isn't portraying it's original message. And it's original message is nothing like Santelli's, Palins, or Armey's message.
I'm pissed. I mean really pissed. If everytime a good grass roots movement is going to get hijacked by the DC clowns and then packed with mindless video sheep, then we're pretty much fucked as a nation.
War with Iran? That has NOTHING to do with the original tea party message. In fact, it's teh opposite of what we preach. Here's a newsflash: It's NOT grassroots anymore. Not when Sarah Palin shows up. I hate that bitch.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:41
#255781
Matt .. Fuck you 10x
I have yet to hear a conservative tea party type friend rant about blacks, welfare, Hispanics, gays or whatever stereotype you need to enforce..
Constitutionally limited Republic
law enforcement ( watch out wall street )
trade rule enforcement ( fuck u china)
fiscal prudence
energy self reliance
tort reform as part of health care reform.
Real meat and potato issues..
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:36
#255851
hey, you-a tea bag party is super gay
you meet to have pizza and beer and say stuff-a isn't constitutional
'real meat' that's the truth. you stuff you faces and say stuff-a isn't constitutional
go fuck you self constitutional man
"we want energy...can you pass the tartar sauce...independence"
"we want fiscal....is anybody going to have that last piece of pizza....prudence"
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 07:15
#255975
Allow me to be candid about how I feel about your post.
Fuck you.
OK, got that out of my system. What I really would like to request is that you read the constitution. No, it's not a book, or a novella. It's a document. Someone must have mentioned the thing to you before.
It's beautifully written and you'd be surprised at what is inside it. Go read it. Learn about it before you post horseshit like this, OK?
When I think of WHY this nation is in trouble, I think of atrophied, pea-brained assholes like you who have no framework or construct of law to base their ideas on. Whatever feels good to you I guess. Big toe itches? Must be a good idea. Nuts tickling? Pass that law!
Just sayin....
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:43
#255995
+1
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:23
#256095
I love the American Constitution. It's a document written by some cool motherfucking people that had a deep understanding of the needs of the common man, and a deep reverence and respect for life itself.
I'm proud to be born to be an upholder of that document as part of a creed of life.
And uphold it I shall. Blood in, blood out.
-MobBarley
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:02
#256199
+1789
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:55
#256001
Oh, no! It's back.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:24
#256097
i so sorry for my a stupid brother. in da family we a call him finocchio.
hey finnochio, why a don you go back to your room and clean up a the dildos all over the place? you a fucking embarrasment to mama. she say worse dick she ever had was when a the milkman come by and fuck her and a gave us a you.
your a boyfriend call, he want the videos back already.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 01:42
#256716
lol
i imagine all these faux italian posts being spoken by Tony Shaloub. Or Father Guido Sarducci.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:00
#256360
to illiterate mario,
blabitty bloo.
Mr LH
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:15
#256014
Amen. When these media talking heads can't talk about the massive real problems in the country, because their corporate masters won't allow it, they always resort to slandering those in the populace who do. By the way, surveys show that tea partiers are FAR better educated than average.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:22
#256960
Hey Anon 255781
You've been called out by the China plants...
Excellent issues- necessary to rebuild this nation.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:37
#255913
It's always about race with those people because they have no sound substance to oppose so they play the emotional race card.
BTW it's TRUE that there are millions of Mexicans and other primarily Hispanic usually illegal invaders on Section 8, Food Stamps, and other services, including 'free' education for kids with 'free' lunches, medical, legal services and other tax payer funded services that many WHITE people who happen to be American citizens pay for. No social security numbers needed to open a bank account, sanctuary cities, press 2 for English and generally and in sum, the TWO TIER system is clearly itself RACIST and highly discriminatroy against Amercians who pay for this abuse.
The race card people are intent on covering the truth of the matter.
Horrah for Virginia, my home state, where I might return if these bills pass.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:02
#256028
Quick question. What about the withholding taxes paid by these workers that go toward the majority of whites who don't work but collect these benefits?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:22
#256093
What do you mean by "the majority of whites?" As of '08, percent on Medicaid, for example:
White--11.25%-13%
Black, Hispanic--35.5% each.
As for any non-cash job withholding taxes, I'm sure most get all that money back(or more) through tax credits and other public services. Plus, many people of all races who are on public aid put in the effort to find out every credit and loophole to get taxpayer money.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 12:38
#256182
Now lets say there were no blacks or hispanics in the country and there were the same amount of unemployed. How would you frame the debate.
Bearish spirits, you have no understanding of the debate. the issue isn't race, it is socioeconomic class. In a state like west virgina lost of white on the social safety net.
this is about our government engaged in class warfare against the great majority of everyone except the weathy. for 25 years the great majority of people have had wages that were actually decreasing because of policies of our government and the federal reserve. It didn't help the situation when manufactures (capitalists) shipped plants to communist countries because of labor costs (china). Much better to deal with a work force that can't vote and complain about rights or environmental issues.
These policies of both parties destroyed manufacturing/blue collar labor disproportionately effect those with less education (blacks/ hispanics). The place to be mad isn't at the blacks and hispanics. its with a federal reserve that continually decrease the value of your wages, increases credit too much so we have a crisis and bail out bankers. It's with a capitalist system where we ship jobs to totalitarian dictatorships so ceo can make more money and drive the stock up. It doesn't mean capitalism is wrong, but there is something wrong where the profit interests of the few are allowed to destroy a country. Why do all these big folks who support the constitution and love our country build their factories in totalitarian dictatorships. They don't gve a fuck about the country, they give a fuck about the bank account. The "love america" crap is for public consumption so they can stay in power and build their bank account.
Commmmunism and socialism aren't "evil" totalitiarism, dictatorships, systems where people have no say in government are evil. We of course state these systems are bad because they decrease the profits of the ruling class. So since birth you are programmed to believe this. It's like 1984. they train you from early on to believe in what they want you to believe. That belief just happens to maximize the profits and power of those in power. Every government does the exact same thing. The people in power endorse the system that got and keeps them in power. If a society voted for communism why would that be wrong? freedom of choice.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:27
#256273
You may be surprised that I agree with the vast majority of your points. I also don't believe I said anything disparaging about blacks or hispanics, I just presented the percentage of the population of each ethnicity which is enrolled in Medicaid. I believe the elites have ginned up racial animosity to maintain control and keep everyone at each other's throats instead of addressing flaws in the system.
I stated that there are many welfare cheats...so aren't I technically saying there are probably more white welfare cheats than minority welfare cheats? It's a big problem when someone is accused of focusing on ethnicity when responding to a comment which focused on...ethnicity. Also, the evasion of tax responsibilities by the wealthy elites are so well-documented on this board that I didn't believe I even needed to mention them.
Will I say that many of the elites who have been screwing things up are white? Hell yes. If I am understanding your argument correctly, you're saying that free trade/free labor movement is insane and self-destructive. I completely agree. I think we should have tariffs and other labor protections in place.
There is nothing wrong with the idea of communism or the idea of socialism, but until we get rid of the urge of some to control others, they can never be successfully and fairly implemented.
If you thought I was some neo-con Rushbot who approves of the downhill slide this country has been on for the last 40 years because of the policies of both sides, nothing could be further from the truth.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 15:30
#256317
Divide and conquer. Oldest trick in the book, and we fall for it every time.
Bottom line: until everyone is held to account for themself and their own, nothing will change. You can't help someone who can't help themselves. You must teach others how to help themselves, and only then can we all live in liberty.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:39
#256285
Awesome.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:30
#256224
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/profileind.jsp?ind=158&cat=3&rgn=1
Good obfuscation attempt, you need to add multiple races together to get your numbers. Still Whites are the majority race receiving Medicaid. Which I might add is paid for by withholdings on income. Another little factoid, the ratio of payment by taxpayer to the S&L bailout to financial aid to the poor was 6:1. Imagine what the ratio will be with the current war against humanity waged by the elites. Do you consider yourself an elite?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:47
#256289
I used numbers straight from that website, with a little math. National total demographic numbers were taken from Wikipedia.
% of whites on Medicaid= # of whites on Medicaid/total # of U.S. whites
and the same for blacks and hispanics.
With hispanic whites added in, 11.25% of whites are on Medicaid.
Without hispanic whites, 12.9% of whites are on Medicaid.
Blacks: 35.4% are on Medicaid.
Hispanics: 35.7% are on Medicaid.
I did nothing dishonest in presenting these numbers. As I stated in my comment just above, I believe the elites have purposely pitted ethnicities against each other as a distraction. I was against TARP and all of these bailouts from day one, by the way. I was addressing the point in your first post which focused on whites(which was technically accurate, by the way), and nothing more.
I am nowhere close to being an elite. I'm trying to make sense of what the elite have done to our society.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 15:10
#256304
OK, I understand. Sorry to insult.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:28
#255734
Taibbi - You can’t cheat an honest man? What the fuck does that mean?
It means, an honest man isn't going to dig a big ass hole for himself by loading up with debt.
This Taibbi guys is a real wanker. Stick to your 'entertainment' articles in Rolling Stone you libtard.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:34
#255855
"You can’t cheat an honest man?"
Are you saying Madoff's victims were all slimy used car salesmen?
simpleton
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:03
#256201
LAMO. Ouch, that hurt.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:19
#255877
It means, an honest man isn't going to dig a big ass hole for himself by loading up with debt.
The American taxpayers will be footing the bill for Freddy, frannie, citi, gm, whoever the hell else was bailed out... So, sometimes the honest man gets the hole dug for him by someone else and is then pushed into it. Libtard, that's a good one, I haven't heard that one since i was at the zoo watching monkeys throw shit at each other.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 04:27
#255957
this has nothing to do with being 'honest', financially conservative yes, in fact during the boom times only fantastic assholes don't get into debt (jus' kidding).
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:15
#256210
the honest man is the easiest to cheat. because he thinks everyone else is honest he's not thinking, how is this person attempting to screw me. So he gets screwed. Why do you think we have so many crooks in high places. because the majority of folks are honest.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:06
#255800
I just love that Taibbi accuses Santelli of being a shill for TBTF banks and big corporations. Yeah, that's why there's a huge lovefest every time he and Liesman are on the air.
Taibbi saw someone disagreeing with the "failing borrowers were innocently victimized by big evil banks" script and lost his marbles.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:52
#255918
Funny one. Past in the days, people used to hold the views that you cant trick a con man because the con was aware of the usual tricks used by con men.
But I guess that the US being that nation who stole an entire continent while claiming the reverse, a large con scheme, has reversed the standards.
Now the con man is refered as the honest man.
Once put back into the US cultural context, well, that is accurate. You still cant trick a con man. In the US, they simply call a con man an honest man.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:42
#255817
Ya but what is funny is the people who have shit jobs are the ones doing all the work to tear at the government. Then once they finally do succeed they are going to have to go do it all over again to the fat government pension whores. We are going to have a severe cop shortage in this world by the end of next year.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:17
#255887
"Time and time again down the ages, the Middle have overthrown the High by enlisting the Low on their side, pretending to the Low that after the revolution a just society will emerge. However, once the Middle have taken over, they simply become the new High and thrust the Low back into servitude, and as a new Middle group eventually splits off, the pattern repeats." -
I hate that quote and your observation. It is so damn true.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:29
#256043
Sorry, I ain't buying. The wealthy (non-inheritance type) generally aren't stupid. What I see rather is a tag-team of limo libs and cynical crony capitalists conspiring to "help" the downtrodden, and use them in a pincers attack on the middle class. In class warfare, every class is despised by the others, some just more overtly.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 16:47
#256353
I agree for now, but we are probably only in the third inning.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 23:09
#256643
...and there is more money to be made in the destruction of a nation than in the creation of one, my dear Scarlett.
Cold beer here, get your cold beer. Peanuts, souvenir programs!
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:51
#255905
Show us proof.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:03
#255701
nobody likes cuts, a herion addict doesn't like withdrawal symptoms, but that's exactly what he needs.
Cuts are the ONLY way out of this, not the keynesian/Summers/Geithner/Obama/Krugman sheitsters "spend your way out of it" garbage.
CUTS, CUTS, MORE CUTS, UNTIL YOU CAN'T CUT ANYMORE, THEN YOU CAN RE-BUILD WITH CAPITAL AND INVESTMENTS. CAPITALISM RULES, ALWAYS HAS, ALWAYS WILL
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:18
#255711
Agreed. I don't want anyone hurting, but without the cuts it'll be worse. And we need to rip at least 300 billion out of the military-security complex too.
And for those that savor "slash the programs to the bone", we're talking about riots in greece. You don't think that would happen here if we suddenly eliminated programs? Come on.. They have to be replaced with SOMETHING. You need to cut them, yes. But to eliminate them you need to build up institutions that can address major issues. Social institutions that have eroded. That's going to take at least a generation. Eliminating key programs will cause political revolution. And trust me, if "free market types" cause the program elimination, then it sure as hell won't be a market economy that you'll get post-revolution.
It'll likely be your worst nightmare.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:05
#255786
+10
As much as the obvious, fiscally responsible choices pop out to some of us, I agree whole heartedly with your assessment. If the free market types manage to take over policy making in the short/medium term I also fear that in they will be overwhelmingly hated before any potential recovery (if one exists) emerges. The resulting regime and consequences I do not enjoy imagining.
Simultaneously, though, I fear that a gradual "sun-setting" of many of the programs that must be cut is not feasible under the current "policy makers" employed worldwide.
.....gold bitches?
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:35
#256974
The substitute is repatriating "outsourced" jobs back home.
Stop beggaring the nation to China.
Stop paying Wallmart reparations to China.
Send Jack Welch to China so he can Six Sigma them with his "outsourcing" bullshit.
Maybe he can convince the Chinese to "outsource" their jobs to Indonesia.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:48
#255916
+100
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:07
#255644
I find it strangely appropriate that 'Greek' is street slang for 'taking it in the rear'.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=greek
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:42
#255685
Yeah and in the left hand corner of the video it says Learn Greek in 10 days . Ouch that sounds painful.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:08
#255881
i have a feeling that no matter the story is, you thinking of taking it in the rear.
what's-a matter for you, you boyfriend late tonight.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:51
#256242
That's not even clever. You need better weed.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:04
#256361
I was trying to ignore you. are you going to try and stick around? should I junk your posts now, or later?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:14
#255653
Odds of ever seeing something like that again within the US borders?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:14
#255655
Small Potatoes
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:45
#255687
There is likely no limit to governments' ability to extend and pretend, and make no mistake about it -- they will do so at maximum vocal amplitude. This is especially true of Every Single EU Bureaucrat, who sees perhaps for the first time in a decade a real threat to his or her paycheck and fat pensions.
Just remember, always, one simple and in the end deadly truth.
They can't print oil.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:46
#255688
The first rule of being a successful parasite is - don't kill the host.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:46
#255996
+100 I'll be borrowing that one. Thanks.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:18
#256372
Good one!
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:39
#256981
Hey Anon 255688
You are right and you are dead wrong.
Most parasites don't know they have a host. They keep sucking til the blood runs cold.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:59
#255690
This is not a new phenomena people it has happened before.
Back in the 70s the unions were in a postion of power not unlike the domestic banks of today
The unions of the 1970s followed the money supply through higher wage agreements while recently commercial banks have created vast amounts of money / debt through their ponzi schemes - in both instances they drove the government agenda and were / are the government
Standing behind these 2 movements were the central banks who do not believe in investing for the future , they believe in maximizing profits for their cartel.
The cutbacks of the 1980s were necessary but the resulting surplus created was not used to invest in the future but to enrich certain sections of the moneyed elite.
The boa constrictor has embraced us for some time but I fear that we are about to exhale for the last time.
Are we doomed to continue the same mistakes again and be consumed by the vipers and reptiles that inhabit the financial jungle ?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 03:17
#255945
Yes.
Unless you burn the jungle, of course.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:47
#256290
It's a perfect opportunity for Monsanto and Dow to bring back Agent Orange.
All the goodness of a nuclear storm of locusts in a friendly color.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:58
#255696
good to see people with some balls, unlike in the US.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 19:58
#255697
Cannot watch protests. Drop-dead gorgeous anchorwoman is too distracting.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:48
#255864
drop-dead?
is it because you from arkansas and she has all her teeth?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:05
#256366
yeah i am going to junk all your posts from here on out.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:05
#255702
test-tube Baha'is
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:13
#255706
Political protests, general strikes and the decline of civilization..All tied to international politics,,
by Master Bates
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 15:48
#255244
Are you serious?
We can't even win a war against a shithole country like Afghanistan, and here you are saying we can beat everybody in the world simultaneously?
In case you noticed, we've spent trillions of dollars chasing 20 guys on camels with boxcutters, and we still haven't won after nine years now.
But oh yeah, bring on the rest of the world...
by geopol
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:52
#255691
MB
The ongoing civil war in Afghanistan is merely a pretext, a cover story designed to provide the United States with a springboard for a geopolitical destabilization campaign in the entire region which cannot be publicly avowed. In the blunt cynical world of imperialist aggression à la Bush and Cheney, a pretext might have been manufactured to attack Pakistan directly. But Pakistan is far too large and the United States is far too weak and too bankrupt for such an undertaking. In addition, Pakistan is a nuclear power, possessing atomic bombs and medium range missiles needed to deliver them. What we are seeing is a novel case of nuclear deterrence in action. The US cannot send an invasion fleet or set up airbases nearby because Pakistani nuclear weapons might destroy them. To this extent, the efforts of Ali Bhutto and A.Q. Khan to provide Pakistan a deterrent capability have been vindicated. But the US answer is to find ways to attack Pakistan below the nuclear threshold, and even below the conventional threshold. This is where the tactic of exporting the Afghan civil war to Pakistan comes in.
The architect of the new Pakistani civil war is US Special Forces General Stanley McChrystal, who organized the infamous network of US torture chambers in Iraq . McChrystal’s specific credential for the Pakistani civil war is his role in unleashing the Iraqi civil war of Sunnis versus Shiites by creating “al Qaeda in Iraq ” under the infamous and now departed double agent Zarkawi. If Iraqi society as a whole had lined up against the US invaders, the occupiers would have soon been driven out. The counter-gang known as “Al Qaeda in Iraq ” avoided that possibility by killing Shiites, and thus calling forth massive retaliation in the form of a civil war. These tactics are drawn from the work of British General Frank Kitson, who wrote about them in his book Low Intensity Warfare. If the United States possesses a modern analog to Heinrich Himmler of the SS, it is surely General McChrystal, Obama’s hand-picked choice. McChrystal’s superior, Gen Petraeus, wants to be the new Field Marshal von Hindenburg – in other words, he wants to be the next US president.
The vulnerability of Pakistan which the US and its NATO associates are seeking to exploit can best be understood using a map of the prevalent ethnic groups of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and India. Most maps show only political borders which date back to the time of British imperialism, and therefore fail to reflect the principal ethnic groups of the region. For the purposes of this analysis, we must start by recognizing a number of groups. First is the Pashtun people, located mainly in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then we have the Baluchis, located primarily in Pakistan and Iran. The Punjabis inhabit Pakistan, as do the Sindhis. The Bhutto family came from Sind.
People of Greece...Take back your country from the financial terrorists... If only in Amerika
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:34
#255743
The US and NATO strategy begins with the Pashtuns, the ethnic group from which the so-called Taliban are largely drawn. The Pashtuns represent a substantial portion of the population of Afghanistan, but here they are alienated from the central government under President Karzai in Kabul, even though the US puppet Karzai passes for a Pashtun himself. The issue involves the Afghan National Army, which was created by the United States after the 2001 invasion. The Afghan officer corps are largely Tajiks drawn from the Northern Alliance that allied with the United States against the Pashtun Talibans. The Tajiks speak Dari, sometimes known as eastern Persian. Other Afghan officers come from the Hazara people. The important thing is that the Pashtuns feel shut out.
The US strategy can best be understood as a deliberate effort at persecuting, harassing, antagonizing, strafing, repressing, and murdering the Pashtuns. The additional 40,000 US and NATO forces which Obama demands for Afghanistan will concentrate in Helmand province and other areas where the Pashtuns are in the majority. The net effect will be to increase the rebellion of the fiercely independent Pashtuns against Kabul and the foreign occupation, and at the same time to push many of these newly radicalized mujaheddin fighters across the border into Pakistan , where they can wage war against the central government in Islamabad . US aid will flow directly to war lords and drug lords, increasing the centrifugal tendencies.
On the Pakistani side, the Pashtuns are also alienated from the central government. Islamabad and the army are seen by them as too much the creatures of the Punjabis, with some input from the Sindhis. On the Pakistani side of the Pashtun territory, US operations include wholesale assassinations from unmanned aerial vehicles or drones, murders by CIA and reportedly Blackwater snipers, plus blind terrorist massacres like the recent ones in Peshawar which the Pakistani Taliban are blaming on Blackwater, acting as a subcontractor of the CIA. These actions are intolerable and humiliating for a proud sovereign state. Every time the Pashtuns are clobbered, they blame the Punjabis in Islamabad for the dirty deals with the US that allow this to happen. The most immediate goal of Obama’s Afghan-Pakistan escalation is therefore to promote a general secessionist uprising of the entire Pashtun people under Taliban auspices, which would already have the effect of destroying the national unity of both Kabul and Islamabad .
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:00
#255794
To what end ?. What resources do they have for us to exploit ... Err... Trade for ?.
They are just dirty stinky mud people. Leave the whole region alone.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:48
#255862
The net effect will be to increase the rebellion of the fiercely independent Pashtuns against Kabul and the foreign occupation, and at the same time to push many of these newly radicalized mujaheddin fighters across the border into Pakistan , where they can wage war against the central government in Islamabad .
Catspaw on Islamabad...
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:07
#255926
Gandhi was always seen as being too lenient to the Muslims and sacrificing the Hindus to the Muslims. My friend's father was in Parliament in India before and at the time Pakistan was created and he fought and voted against creating a separate nation state for the Muslims as he foresaw it would become a terrorist state.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 14:58
#256295
Yeah, cuz them Moozlems is all just terrorists. Give them their own state and what do they do with it? Turn it into a terror Mecca. Er, wait, there's already a place called that.
Anyway, nice logic.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:06
#257003
Bid Laden is winning this war- the U.S. is playing a trillion dollar whack-a-mole strategy while the goat-milk drinker is spending mere millions, slipped to him by his Saudi relatives through Dubai; naturally, from money the U.S. pays for Middle East oil.
And ultimately, it is Israel and Saudi Arabia that have the real mutual interest in slapping down the Mullahs and their dirty little puppet in Iran.
And for Greece, a bunch of mollycoddled Government employees matched against a black market private sector, does not a nation make.
The E.U. needs to cut off this gangrene before it infects the rest of the body. But the EU won't. SOMETHING FOR NOTHING rules !
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 21:08
#257338
Bin Laden???
He is a CIA legion operative....As I have said before,,dead or alive, same effect for the Amerikan populace, which has enveloped you,,apparently..You can recover if you read enough.. Although you have fractions of your post absolutely correct..I have hope for you to become someone who can change things....Look inward,,think//// you are the movement... Once you learn, I will be at you side. until then, you could snipe me....
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:25
#256374
What book did you paste this from? j/k as it sounds like you wrote it. thank you for the info, or is it intell? Correct terminology for WWIII.
PS if we can not get rid of Karzai and his opium dealing family, how will we get rid of our own gov.?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:17
#255838
Yes indeed, nuclear Muslim Pakistan is too much to swallow for America imperialism and its Zionist masters. Consequently, the USA would like to destabilize Pakistan.
There are two major problems in dealing with Pakistan: it is very large and it is China's friendly neighbour.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:15
#255716
As the vote and the riots raged, Papandreou was over in Germany yukking it up with Merkle. Bad optics.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:17
#255719
I like the Greeks, but it disappoints me that they're not embracing austerity.
Did they really think they could work for a living, pay taxes, save for retirement, and everything would somehow be ok ??
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:24
#255729
Surly you jest....It's Amerika your referring to...You mixed the country header....
The body of your post however, is correct..
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:33
#256048
+1
geo for Secretary of [Defense] 2012!!
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:27
#256375
Ventura, but Geo can be assistant.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:48
#255820
Greed never rests and never retires. So you can't either.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:22
#255927
Yes, the Greeks thought their government jobs were entitlement, and a janitor's salary of USD 60k per year and retirement at age 45 was sustainable. Just like here in entitlement America where the sheriff of San Luis Obispo County rakes in $640k per year, why shouldn't that be sustainable? After all, Helicopter Ben will print all we need.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:25
#255720
I've got news for you: everyone is going back to their old ways, some poorer, some richer. It's all simply a function of productivity - the efficient application of capital + labor. The only thing the last 20-30 year period of credit-leveraged asset-inflation accomplished was creating a false sense of entitlement amongst an awful lot of people.
And I don't mean just foreigners; I'm referring specifically to many of my fellow Californians. A lot of immigrants (including my dear wife - a NYC transplant) only know the California of the last generation - the cleaned up, gussied version.
I've told her, and I'll tell the board, if you want to know what California really looked like as recently as 1975, there is no better snap-shot of that period than the original "Gone in 60 Seconds". Shot on the streets of LA County's South Bay, today home to some of the most expensive real estate in the USA, it looks no different than a generic suburb of a mid-western city such as Chicago.
The reason for this appearance, of course, is that the Bay Area & SoCal were NO different than generic mid-western suburbs! We're talking major extractive industries like oil, gas & commercial fishing, large scale manufacturing (not the least being aerospace), huge military bases and construction. High-tech (my biz) & entertainment (ie Hollywood) get a lot of attention (because it sells media), but they represent a fraction of the 'real' economy.
But as California shifted away from a productive economy, towards one centered around financing serial debt expansionary bubbles, we saw the effect that old magic of asset (housing) inflation had on the overall demographic composition. Middle-class moved out, to be replaced with lower class immigrants to serve those who had carved out a slice at the top.
So now we have nice 'clean' FIRE industries with none of that hurly burly going on. The gardeners & nannies are allowed in during the day (special dispensations are granted to evening restaurant workers) and everything seems hunky dory. Except it isn't.
The opportunity, which I've hinted at on other threads, lies in identifying not only the resulting applications, but the processes by which we will return from whence we came. These will provide the core drivers for goods & services as we all take this collective journey back to our roots.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:53
#255732
B9K9,
Another good analysis...
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:32
#255739
As a life-long Californian (although only 31 years of age) I couldn't agree more. While I didn't see the cali of 1975, I did see the middle to end of the mind blowing expansion, especially in Southern Cal. There will be tremendous opportunity in the crash of this state (and indeed the global economy) for those who are aware and in a position to take advantage.
In general though, in CA specifically, I think those lower on the totem pole, already used to dealing with hard times and making something out of nothing AND presently keeping ethnic/familial/communal ties in place are going to come out smelling like roses. The vast majority of the 'middle class' (all tiers) is going to get eaten alive and have no clue what to do or how to transition.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:43
#255860
unless the gates of protectionism are thrown up at some point we are fuckt.
Offshoring and onshoring of amerikan jobs continues presently at breakneck speed.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:17
#255888
SoCal will probably end up burning to the ground again, the LA Riots were in '92 and things weren't that bad then.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:38
#255747
Wow. That was a very good read.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:41
#255859
The opportunity,.. lies in identifying ...the processes by which we will return from whence we came"
WOW. We're all moving to China?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:30
#255933
The private middle class moved out and the government public paid employees demanded to be paid a wage that entitled them to live in the city or county in which they worked, regardless of their education, job title, capability or productivity. Now anyone who has a clerical job feels entitled to be paid a 'livable' wage, i.e., to be able to afford the high standard of the area, so you get clerks making $70k per year and GED graduates starting salaries to be goon at the state prisons beginning at $75k up to $250k per year.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:37
#256053
That must be in states like California and New York. The southern states pay those people nothing hardly but some local municipalities in Florida are overpaying them because they gave very large raises during the housing bubble property tax windfall and its killing their budgets now.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:35
#257018
Thanks B9K9
LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THE "FEDERAL RESERVE CABAL" CREATED THIS MESS THROUGH CREDIT CREATION AND MONSTROUSLY LOW INTEREST RATES.
By killing this country's real savers and encouraging the expansion of current consumption (combined with the politically sanctioned export of American jobs) the wheels have come off this economy.
No base line jobs, no base line tax foundation, no tax revenue, no country.
The Illusion of Wealth through Asset Inflation (pushed by expanding Debt) is poison that is not easily extracted from the publics mind; we have had at least a generation of the Something for Nothing economy.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:19
#256016
B9K9,
I'm glad I read that.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:47
#256063
Spot on B9K9
When do you start that journey???
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:48
#256064
An interesting choice: 1975.
The end of all that "Bring The War Home" and "Piece Now Peace Later". Weather Underground and Symbionese Liberation Army facing a society that didn't want to tolerate the Vietnam bedlam brought home - Americana didn't want to hear that they were complicit by "sin of omission" apathy to mass murder abroad.
The real power of a fiat currency unleashed in '71 beginning to take hold.
I'm trying to put so many pieces together because I either wasn't paying attention, or serious subjects were not treated seriously in my years of public schooling.
Great post B9. Thanks. Wish I could be a coastal spotter for you (fanboy).
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:28
#256376
+++
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:19
#255724
oh wow, what theatre. members of the squid with cooperation from other tribal members in the greek government steal 300B dollars from the people of Greece. And now this. Should be a dicey weekend over in greece....
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:23
#255727
Does anybody find it disconcerting that the ECB dictated that governments follow a 3% deficit rule which governments either followed or made a attempt to follow or pretended to follow but private sector debt was allowed to explode almost into infinity.
There is no doubt in my mind that the agenda of the Frankfurt gnomes was to castrate the member government's of the union to the point of irrelevance.
Once the governments attempted to pick up the tab for the casualties primarily caused by ECB loose monetary policies they would be attacked for fiscal profligacy.
I have to say that I am impressed by the cartels imagination and long term planning - this is thoroughly a cou de ta of immense scale and intelligence.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:39
#255746
You have me convinced, we have no chance against the cartel. They are just too smart. I'm moving to Hare Island to fish for lobster. Can I get an EU grant?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:49
#255754
Do you have a license for such activity - no license no grant
Besides a headless/hedgeless horseman may have some difficulty manoeuvring a currach around the islands of Roaring water bay.
Would you be a vest cork man would you
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:57
#255757
Just an occasional visitor. No difficulty handling a Mermaid, though.
Shouldn't you be getting your rest? As it is the weekend, you'll be road bowling in the morning, or is that just on Sunday afternoons?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:05
#255764
Yes well a good Catholic is allowed to play on Sundays.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:40
#255748
Reminds me of the movie "Salo or 120 days of Sodom" - Seriously disturbing movie from '75
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 20:43
#255749
Has anybody noticed how nicely video and news from Greece is not getting on front pages and they just sometimes mention it on TV. Just take a look at Reuters. That's good censorship without government involvement, or there is some?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:22
#255773
Is it official censorship when it's censorship of the self? In a corpocracy, does a media outlet that grovels at the foot of profit motivation over all else even need marching orders? For sure, the occasional phone call may need to be placed, but who works in the corporate hierarchy who doesn't know his or her place?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:37
#255779
Yes, it's the collusive cowardice that passes as responsibly "good taste" and appropriate team spirit. We all know how that works as it surrounds us each day.
And it's not like it's happending in Iran, after all. The Greeks aren't our demons yet.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:02
#255831
the manufacture of consent
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:12
#255806
Mexico has been on fire for a while and nobody seems to be interested in it either.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:40
#255935
There's been plenty of coverage in Central Coast California on the Mexico beheadings.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:02
#255761
Violent protests coming to a country near you!
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:33
#255776
The servant of Marika Antoinopoulos bursts through the Presidential Palace doors..."Maam, the Greeks are revolting !"
In a dismissive, arrogant turn of the head she states regally...
"Let them eat Kataifi."
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:46
#255782
CD No censorship here..
Bulletin,,,,
SINGAPORE'S Navy warned that a terrorist group is planning attacks on oil tankers in the Malacca Straits, one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.
Terrorists may also be targeting other vessels in the shipping lane off Malaysia's east coast, according to an advisory issued on Wednesday by the Navy's Information Fusion Centre seen by The Associated Press.
'The terrorists' intent is probably to achieve widespread publicity and showcase that it remains a viable group,' the Navy advisory said. 'However, this information does not preclude possible attacks on other large vessels with dangerous cargo.' The Navy did not say which terrorist group is planning the attacks. Spokesmen at the Defence Ministry and the Information Fusion Centre were not immediately available for comment.
The Malacca Strait is the favourite route of oil shippers between the Persian Gulf and Asian Pacific markets. The strait, just 1.7 miles at its narrowest point, was the second-busiest shipping lane of crude in 2006, with 15 million barrels a day passing through, according to the US Energy Information Agency.
The Navy said in previous successful terrorist attacks on tankers, small fishing boats or speedboats were used, and these kinds of boats could be used to attack ships in the Malacca Strait. The Navy, which said it is coordinating with regional partners regarding the threat, recommended ships add lookouts and lighting, avoid fishing areas and maintain a good speed.
'The threat should be taken seriously as it comes from the Singapore Navy and has been shared with the shipping community,' said Mr Rohan Gunaratna, a Singapore-based expert on radical groups who has written a book on Al-Qaeda CIA Legion.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 21:57
#255793
Positively Orwellian if ever I saw such a thing outside of "1984".
"Navy's Information Fusion Centre"
I suppose they're either infusing the center with truth or suppositories. Take your pick, there isn't much difference with the Navy.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:51
#256066
Does that mean the British still control Amerika, or just an innocent typo?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:54
#256126
The British may have lost the ground war in America but they just switched strategies and infiltrated. In fact, many "founding fathers" were working for the British. I always wondered why the Brits, with so much to loose in giving up the colonies, didn't "try" harder. Yes, I've heard all the "official" propaganda for who, what, when, where and why. Dig deeper grasshopper.
Whoops, was that my out loud voice?
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 17:30
#256378
Merchants, not countrymen, these bastards.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:28
#255804
CONGRATS ZH!!!
You went into the phone booth time portal and returned with a video from the United Socialist Republik of Amerika circa 2014. ZH has single-handedly trumped ALL other media by years! Keep up the Most Excellent work Tyler dude. You have made Bill S. Preston ESQ and Ted Theodore Logan of the Wyld Sallions proud.
Be excellent to eachother....and.... Party on Tyler :)
Seriously ZH'ers, you may be seeing USA once the UE checks stop rolloing off the press and States can not longer finance their massive debt.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:10
#255805
If someone tripled the fire insurance on their house and then it was burned to the ground days later, would you be suspicious? A similar comparison can be made to last night’s shooting at the Pentagon, which was preceded by weeks of hype from both the establishment left and right about the inevitability of 9/11 truthers going postal.
The media’s almost instantaneous explanation for the motive behind the shooting that injured two police officers was assailant John Patrick Bedell’s sense of injustice surrounding 9/11 truth.
Quite how Bedell planned to take on the hub of the military-industrial complex on his own with a couple of guns defies logic and renders the claim that Bedell was acting on his political angst ludicrous.
But the most disturbing aspect surrounding yesterday’s incident is the fact that people like Glenn Beck on the establishment right and establishment liberal media outlets like CNN and MSNBC on the left have been aggressively promoting for months the notion that people who express dissent against the government are intent on killing people.
It’s no coincidence that the last two targets of low-level domestic terrorism were the IRS and the Pentagon, and in both cases the propaganda victory enjoyed in the aftermath by the same establishment registered a far greater impact than the actual attacks.
The Pentagon shooting has been seized upon as a way to demonize 9/11 truthers, Tea Party members, drug war opponents, libertarians, and just about anyone with a political opinion.
The Media Elites website feverishly set about using Bedell’s actions as a stick with which to smear anyone and everyone from supporters of former Democratic candidate Mike Gravel, to “teabaggers,” to marijuana decriminalization advocates, to adherents of the economic philosophy of Ludwig von Mises, to people who read books critical of the Bush administration.
Basically, any idea or opinion Bedell ever had was suddenly used as grist for political demonization of a whole smattering of groups seen as a thorn in the side of the establishment. This pathetic feeding frenzy is now routine in a climate where the public is brainwashed that any dissent against the government is indicative of “dangerous extremism” and should be frowned upon
This also has the effect of circling the wagons and inculcating within police the idea that protesters and 9/11 truthers represent a physical threat.
Could the shooting be yet another example of false flag terrorism or did Bedell just go nuts? What we do know for sure is that the only other two occasions on which 9/11 truthers were accused of being violent or planning terrorism were both completely fraudulent set-ups that were artificially contrived in an effort to demonize people who ask questions about 9/11.
The first occurred when 9/11 truth activist Gary Talis was accused of assaulting a disabled girl in a wheelchair outside a Laura Bush speaking event. Talis was later acquitted by a New York jury despite New York police officers and one Secret Service agent lying in claiming Talis had assaulted the girl when in fact he was the one being assaulted by the girl’s father.
The second incident involved We Are Change New York, who were protesting Larry Silverstein when one of Silverstein’s security guards called in a hoax bomb threat to the police, claiming that Luke Rudkowski was carrying an explosive device in his backpack.
Since on both these occasions, 9/11 truthers were the victims of an orchestrated set-up to portray them as violent criminals or terrorists, how can we be confident that we have been told the whole story about the Pentagon incident?
The fact that Glenn Beck, Chris Matthews and others are constantly hyping the inevitability of anti-government individuals going postal and killing people undoubtedly makes already unstable individuals more likely to commit such acts.
Whether Bedell was influenced by his political grievances, media talking points, or he just snapped is largely inconsequential to the fact that this will be exploited to the full by shameful hacks who are eager to silence their opposition by demonizing anyone who so much as utters a word against the government as a violent extremist and in doing so, preparing the groundwork for measures to censor free speech and the Internet.
It’s not good enough for them to have raped Americans for trillions of dollars, destroyed the economy, turned the police against us, and eviscerated our standard of living, they now want to blackball anyone who so much as raises a whimper in protest as an extremist and a potential terrorist.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:59
#255829
Very well put. It has alarmed me for some time that more and more, people with differing views from the official (and unofficial) policy makers are being defined as "wackos", or associated with real ones, in order to discredit their views. Sadly, ad hominem attacks have increasingly become the preferred MO, instead of offering solid arguments for or against a given position or view, and engaging in a real debate. Sadly, many people seem to complacently accept this change.
You have only to look at some of the responses to certain posts or comments on ZH to see examples of this playing out in less exalted microcosms.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:05
#255833
..."just about anyone with a political opinion"... scary and true.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 02:46
#255938
And the week before that was the plane crash into the IRS.
All black op to get the Patriots on Homeland Security terrorist list.
Homeland Security, you know, like Federal Reserve — it's not federal and it has no reserves.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:19
#255988
The gunman caught them off guard and pulled his gun out which they thought was going to be a badge, had the drop on them and only wounded them but he was shot dead. Also he was very close to the offficers. At first they didn't want to discuss the third officer in the original story.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 12:58
#256196
geopol you are my hero of the day.
When a system is unable to reform and do what is required is violent resistance valid. when peoples interest are no longer represented by the people they vote for is violent resistance valid. When is violence against the state valid. clear the heros of the american revolution thought it was justified at some point. same with the french revolution, bolshevik revolution. I think this is the discussion we should be having in the media. Instead of saying all action is bad and not justified, let thoise who make that statement determine when it is justified. Lets heare the president of the United states come out and say when it would be acceptable for the american people to over throw their government. Is it numbers based., principle based. Our givernment clearly feels it is valid in other countries (iran for instance, Cuba,) What conditions would make it justified here?
What did we get rid of the "british" for. taxations without representation. How many of you feel our elected officials represent our interests. Or do they represent the interst of our corporate elites. The analogy to revolutionary times is that the corporte elites are the royalty of the british.
I think the rioters in greece are justified. did they know their government did the things that got them into the euro zone. The job of thse in government is to not to the crap that gets you in trouble just to get elected. Well by that measure and our fiscal crisis our government failed. should we bare the price of those peoples failure. Are are already in teh Unite states. Why should the citizens of iceland have to pay for the failures of the bankers and their regulators. In fact the bankers effectivley choose their own regulators. Why should Argentina bear the cost of defaulting on their loans. Don't the bankers have a lot fo blame for being so stupid to loan so much money in the first place. We have adopted a system where those who make the business errors get bailed out by us. don't go to jail, remain in postions of authority, and we get taxed for it. That isn't democracy to me. that sounds like a dictatorshisp to me. It's a screwed up system where the preditors are always rewarded for their own greedy failures. that doesn't sound like democracy to me.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:24
#255808
This probably has snowballed to the point where normal citizens affected by this cannot comprehend or do not want to.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:28
#255809
is there an intrade on riots in major us cities?
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:31
#255811
What are they protesting exactly? Once they run out of money and no one will buy their junk grade bonds whats the end game? Seems like they are making it much easier for the Germans to justify Greek expulsion from the Union. And quite frankly, once Europe found out that the Greeks manipulated their statistics to get into it in the first place they should have been expelled.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:32
#255853
Interesting commentary on Jim Sinclair's mineset website, http://jsmineset.com/
"Trader Dan’s Commentary
This story (thanks to our ever vigilant internet reader CIGA JB Slear) has one of those slapstick comedy moments in it: Remember the movie “Blazing Saddles?” There is a scene in the movie where the new sheriff in town, played by Cleavon Little, holds a gun to his own head and threatens the townspeople that the sheriff (Cleavon Little) is going to get it unless they throw down their guns. The scene is hilarious.
This is exactly what the citizens of Greece are doing right now. They are in effect saying:
STOP AND HELP ME RIGHT NOW or I WILL BURN DOWN MY OWN COUNTRY!"
Heard it said somewhere that people are about the only animals that foul their own nest. The events of the past few years make that painfully true.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:23
#255990
Sure, until someone reveals the fact that Golman Sucks and other so-called Investment Bankers, have done the same financial shenanigans in PIIGS along with others.
Goldman Sucks is a golbal Vampire Squid with its tenta.......nevermind.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 11:54
#256128
Suspect that the Squid has done the same thing for others. However, an honest broker would not have entered into those arrangements in the first place.
Greece's then government was looking for a way to cheat the system - GS was happy to oblige. You can't have prostitutes without johns.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:45
#257037
Spot on Lux.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:52
#255822
Word.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 22:55
#255825
On another note a little OT...
Even Chris Matthews of MSNBC, normally a devoted acolyte of Obama, pointed out that the US strategy as announced at West Point very much resembles a Rube Goldberg contraption. (In the real world, “al Qaeda” is of course the CIA’s own Arab and terrorist legion.) In the world of official US myth, the enemy is supposed to be “Al Qaeda.” But, even according to the US government, there are precious few “Al Qaeda” fighters left in Afghanistan. Why then, asked Matthews, concentrate US forces in Afghanistan where “Al Qaeda” is not, rather than in Pakistan where “Al Qaeda” is now alleged to be?
One elected official who has criticized this incongruous mismatch is Democratic Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, who said in a television interview that ‘Pakistan, in the border region near Afghanistan, is perhaps the epicenter [of global terrorism], although al Qaida is operating all over the world, in Yemen, in Somalia, in northern Africa, affiliates in Southeast Asia. Why would we build up 100,000 or more troops in parts of Afghanistan included that are not even near the border? You know, this buildup is in Helmand Province. That’s not next door to Waziristan. So I’m wondering, what exactly is this strategy, given the fact that we have seen that there is a minimal presence of Al Qaida in Afghanistan, but a significant presence in Pakistan? It just defies common sense that a huge boots on the ground presence in a place where these people are not is the right strategy. It doesn’t make any sense to me.’ Indeed. ‘The Wisconsin Democrat also warned that U.S. policy in Afghanistan could actually push terrorists and extremists into Pakistan and, as a consequence, further destabilize the region: “You know, I asked the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, and Mr. Holbrooke, our envoy over there, a while ago, you know, is there a risk that if we build up troops in Afghanistan, that will push more extremists into Pakistan?” he told ABC. “They couldn’t deny it, and this week, Prime Minister Gilani of Pakistan specifically said that his concern about the buildup is that it will drive more extremists into Pakistan, so I think it’s just the opposite, that this boots-on-the-ground approach alienates the Afghan population and specifically encourages the Taliban to further coalesce with Al Qaida, which is the complete opposite of our national security interest.”’[1] Of course, this is all intentional and motivated by US imperialist raison d’état.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:09
#255836
who is geopol? brilliant stuff. keep writing.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:54
#255869
Know this - geopol is the man. Period.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 13:54
#256244
I think Geopol is a good copy and paster - looks to be the same article here - http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/march2010/030510_everyone_terro...
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 18:42
#257256
Linux? I'm good... period,,,I'll take anyone on this site...and keep in mind, I think there are many wonderful posters here, but I will not take a back seat to anyone after all the info I have brought to this site....
Screwball,,,, Any time...Bring it on...
As they say on the street level,,,you may be a good shit,, but ....
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 15:05
#257055
Geopol is a reject from the Comedy Club.
The U.S. is responding to a mosquito (Bin Laden) with a sledge hammer instead of a fly swatter because it can. It must be SEEN to be doing something.
The CIA is now just another large BUREAUCRACY bent on justifying its existence. It has no "on the ground assets" infiltrated into Muslim countries; just localized camps pretending to be infiltrators.
So, Geo, stop letting these Keystone Cops seem like Einstein sleuths of the Muslim world.
The only thing I give Obama credit for, since he has come in to office, is trying to do the job in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Dubya should have done in the first place.
Even the Pashtuns are made up of smaller tribes, and divide and conquer has its distinct advantages, regardless of where you draw a line on a map.
on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 20:42
#257236
Kayman Used Lightly ,,Screwball comes out, and you find the unaudited curage to attack??
My history of posts on this site regarding the CIA are evident to all...If you are a newcomer please do a search on this site for "geopol" cia...I think most people here know my position which I think would be a slight bit deeper than your analysis.. not that they all agree,, however we can converse one on one on this site,,anytime,,,at your whim..
The CIA is now just another large BUREAUCRACY bent on justifying its existence.
No,,it plays a very important roll as the private army of the President....Not an intelligence agency (sic)
Before I leave...
The avatar is not a comedy club item,,,just there to throw off folks with your relevance.. I'm a little bit deviant like that.. Do you think it's diabolical of me ??
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:06
#255835
"We have ourselves a very corupt governing structure" ---
A little truth in a world of LIES
One of the world's leading economists said Wednesday the very structure of the Federal Reserve system is so fraught with conflicts to the point that it's "corrupt."
Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz, a former senior vice president and chief economist at the World Bank, said that if countries applying for World Bank aid during his time would have presented a financial regulatory system similar to that of America's Federal Reserve, in which regional Feds are partly governed by the very banks they're supposed to police, it would have raised alarms.
"if we had seen a governance structure that corresponds to our Federal Reserve system, we would have been yelling and screaming and saying that country does not deserve any assistance. This is a corrupt governing structure," Stiglitz said during a conference on financial reform in New York.
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:22
#255844
We can't even win a war against a shithole country like Afghanistan, and here you are saying we can beat everybody in the world simultaneously?
In case you noticed, we've spent trillions of dollars chasing 20 guys on camels with boxcutters, and we still haven't won after nine years now.
But oh yeah, bring on the rest of the world...
Mission accomplished ???? we spend over a trillion a year on the military !!!!!!! If we did spend that money usa would be debt free in 11 years baby !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:30
#255848
SCAHILL'S REPORT..
Scahill’s report also suggests that US black ops have reached into Uzbekistan, a post-Soviet country of 25 million which borders Afghanistan to the north: ‘In addition to planning drone strikes and operations against suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban forces in Pakistan for both JSOC and the CIA, the Blackwater team in Karachi also helps plan missions for JSOC inside Uzbekistan against the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, according to the military intelligence source. Blackwater does not actually carry out the operations, he said, which are executed on the ground by JSOC forces. “That piqued my curiosity and really worries me because I don’t know if you noticed but I was never told we are at war with Uzbekistan,” he said. “So, did I miss something, did Rumsfeld come back into power?”’ Such are the ways of hope and change.
The role of US intelligence in fomenting the Baluchistan rebellion for the purpose of breaking Pakistan apart is also confirmed by Professor Chossudovsky: ‘Already in 2005, a report by the US National Intelligence Council and the CIA forecast a “Yugoslav-like fate” for Pakistan “in a decade with the country riven by civil war, bloodshed and inter-provincial rivalries, as seen recently in Baluchistan.” (Energy Compass, 2 March 2005 ). According to the NIC-CIA, Pakistan is slated to become a “failed state” by 2015, “as it would be affected by civil war, complete Talibanization and struggle for control of its nuclear weapons”. (Quoted by former Pakistan High Commissioner to UK , Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Times of India, 13 February 2005 )…. Washington favors the creation of a “Greater Baluchistan” which would integrate the Baluch areas of Pakistan with those of Iran and possibly the Southern tip of Afghanistan, thereby leading to a process of political fracturing in both Iran and Pakistan.’The Iranians, for their part, are adamant that the US is committing acts of war on their territory in Baluchistan: “ TEHRAN, Oct. 29 (Xinhua) — Iran ’s Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said …that there are some concrete evidences showing U.S. involvement in recent deadly bomb explosions in the country’s Sistan-Baluchistan province, the official IRNA news agency reported. …. The deadly suicide attack by Sunni rebel group Jundallah (God’s soldiers) occurred on Oct. 18 in Iran ’s Sistan-Baluchistan province near the border with Pakistan when the local officials were preparing a ceremony in which the local tribal leaders were to meet the military commanders of Iran ’s Revolutionary Guards Corps
on Fri, 03/05/2010 - 23:51
#255866
A very close Greek friend of mine- someone who has made many a pilgrimage to Greece- is fond of saying "before Alexander the Great left for Babylon he told everyone 'don't do anything until I get back'... and they're still waiting."
While she candidly expressed that Greece's lackadaisical culture is the root of their economic problems, they don't seem so patient anymore.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:00
#255872
Appropriate repost....
It has been evident for some time that the ongoing speculative attack on Greece, along with such other countries as Spain, Ireland, Portugal, and Italy, was not primarily a reflection of their economic fundamentals, nor yet a spontaneous movement of “the market,” but rather an orchestrated action of economic warfare. The dollar had been relentlessly falling through the late summer and autumn of 2009. It obviously occurred to various Anglo-American financiers that a diversionary attack on the euro, starting with some of the weaker Mediterranean or Southern European economies, would be an ideal means of relieving pressure on the battered US greenback. Since these degenerate elites are incapable of directly solving the problem of the dollar through increased production, full employment, and economic recovery, one of the few alternatives remaining to them is to create a situation in which the euro is collapsing faster, leaving the dollar as the beneficiary of some residual flight to quality or safe haven reflex.
This is what emerged during the first week of December with a speculative assault or bear raid against Greek and Spanish government bonds as well as the euro itself, accompanied by a scurrilous press campaign targeting the “PIIGS,” an acronym for the countries just named, coming from inside the bowels of Goldman Sachs. I have discussed this phenomenon several times over the last two to three weeks on my radio program on GCN.
Now comes concrete proof of this conspiracy in the form of a Feb. 8 “idea dinner,” held at the Manhattan townhouse of Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co, a boutique investment bank. Among those present were SAC Capital Advisors, David Einhorn of Greenlight Capital (a veteran of the fatal assault on Lehman Brothers in the late summer of 2008), Donald Morgan of Brigade Capital, and, most tellingly, Soros Fund Management. The consensus that emerged that night over the filet mignon was that Greek government bonds were the weak flank of the euro, and that once a Greek debt crisis had been detonated, all outcomes would be bad for the euro. The assembled predators agreed that Greece was the first domino in Europe. Donald Morgan was adamant that the Greek contagion could soon infect all sovereign debt in the world, including national, state, municipal and all other forms of government debt. This would mean California, the UK, and the US itself, among many others. The details of this at dinner were revealed in the headline story of the Wall Street Journal on Friday, February 26, 2010. (See article)
Nor was this the only cabal in town intent on attacking the euro through the week Greek flank. The article cited suggests that GlobeOp Financial Services and Paulson & Co. are also piling on. The zombie banks were also heavily engaged. The article reported that Goldman Sachs, Bank of America-Merrill Lynch, and Barclays Bank of London were also assisting speculators in placing highly leveraged bearish bets against the euro. Note that these zombie banks are alive today because of US taxpayer money, in Barclay’s case through AIG.
It amounted to a deliberate attempt to create a large-scale world monetary crisis which would certainly bring with it the dreaded second wave of the current world economic depression. The creation of monetary chaos in Europe through the convulsive destruction of the euro under speculative attack would cripple commodity production in western Europe, severely undermining one of the dwindling areas of the world economy which are still functioning. The genocidal implications for humanity ought to be obvious, but the assembled hedge fund hyenas were not concerned with these consequences.
George Soros has been telling every media outlet that will listen that the euro is doomed to fall apart and break up over the short run. Soros even has a theory to deploy as part of his speculative attack. Soros argues that the fatal flaw or original Sin of the euro is that it was based on a common central bank among the participating countries, but lacked a common treasury and tax policy. This means that a country like Greece can no longer defend itself from a speculative attack on its bonds by the simple expedient of currency devaluation, since there is no more drachma, and the euro is controlled from Frankfurt, not Athens. British spokesmen are quick to point out that, even though the financial situation of London is far worse than that of Athens, the British government is already devaluing the pound through a downward dirty float.
Given Soros’s infamous track record, he must be taken seriously. In 1992, Soros became world famous through his attack on the European Rate Mechanism, which he executed by a highly leveraged speculative assault on the British pound, at the time one of the weaker members of the ERM. Soros’ speculative attack led to a pound devaluation and the ragged breakup of the ERM, and netted Soros £1 billion in profits. It was as if Soros had personally stolen a £20 note from every man, woman, and child in Britain. The speculative gains were no doubt gratifying, but the overriding political purpose of the assault was to sabotage that phase of European monetary policy.
The London Economist has gone out of its way to mock Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero’s remark that Spain was under international speculative attack. Press organs of the city of London and Wall Street have ridiculed the Greeks as a nation of paranoid conspiracy theorists. And yet, the revelations made so far are strong circumstantial evidence of pre-concert, as Lincoln would say. Even the US Department of Justice has been forced to send letters to the participants in the infamous “idea dinner,” warning them not to destroy any of their records and thus putting them on notice that they are under investigation. While we should not have any illusions about the prosecutorial zeal of Attorney General Eric Holder, who once represented the international financial bandit Marc Rich, this is at least a beginning. Spanish and Italian judges are noted for their independence, and one of or more them may wish to examine the activities of Soros, Goldman Sachs, and their hedge fund allies.
Greece does not need an austerity program, as the Greek labor movement has eloquently argued in the course of their successful and admirable general strike last week. Greece does not need a bailout from Germany, the sinister International Monetary Fund, or from anyone else. Least of all does Greece need to accept the advice of Austrian school or Chicago schools charlatans who recommend the catharsis of a deflationary crash that would destroy an entire generation through unemployment, poverty, and despair. Greece needs to defend itself with a 1% Tobin tax on all derivatives and other financial transactions. Greece should take the lead in outlawing credit default swaps, which amount to issuing insurance without meeting the capital requirements of being an insurance company. Greece needs to enforce EU and national antitrust laws. If Soros and his gang succeed in breaking up the euro, Greece should make the best of it by immediately imposing heavy-duty exchange controls and capital controls to protect the new drachma, on the model of Malaysia a dozen years ago. Greece should shut down domestic zombie banks and seize its central bank and use it to issue 0% credit for industrial and agricultural hard commodity production. If the Greeks made plain what they intend to do if they are forced to fall back on the drachma, the financiers who fear such an example would have another reason to relent.
Another obvious expedient is that of a bear squeeze or short squeeze. Soros, Goldman Sachs, and their gang of hedge fund allies have now used derivatives to establish short positions against Greek bonds and the euro, betting that these latter will go down. Political pressure is now being brought to bear on the European Central Bank and the Greek central bank to undertake an unannounced large-scale purchase of Greek bonds and euros in the forward market, causing the Wall Street predators to lose their bets, thus punishing them severely with extravagant losses. This is normal central bank practice, and it will be astounding if the Greeks do not execute such a maneuver very soon.
The world now faces a stark choice between two alternatives, with Wall Street forcing the issue. The first is that the zombie banks and hedge funds, having been saved and bailed out by national states and their taxpayers, will repay the favor by driving the national states and all forms of state, provincial, and local government into bankruptcy. This will be synonymous with the destruction of modern civilization itself. The second and preferred alternative is that the national states summon the political will to use the inherent powers of government to place the zombie banks, hedge funds, and related purveyors of derivatives into bankruptcy receivership and shut them down once and for all, relying in the future on nationalized central banks for the provision of credit. The second alternative would allow the preservation of modern civilization as we have known it. But in the meantime, the derivatives-based speculative attack on the southern flank of the euro has accelerated the arrival of the second wave of depression, which now appears likely to strike the world before the end of 2010.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:01
#255874
'The world now faces a stark choice between two alternatives'
this-a educated man. the world has two alternatives, only two, not 3.
this man must be heard. he is precise. what a fag.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:10
#255882
by Cognitive Dissonance
on Mon, 01/04/2010 - 16:04
#182340
fiasco,
You've only been around ZH for about 3 weeks and already your "I speaka poor Englisha" has been beaten to death. If you're going to pull if off, at least try to be more convincing. It's old and not funny so why persist?
I figured you to be a deadbeat troll but I wanted to make sure before I said as much. So I just wasted 15 minutes looking at the comments you left on 10 different articles over 3 weeks here on ZH. I've never seen so many junked comments in my life, so it seems my opinion of you has lots of company. Even the other Mario "brother" here on ZH doesn't like your attitude-a. I read that ammusing string of comments between you and him where he basically disowns you. Very funny-a.
While you are most certainly free to object to my opinion, it's clear from your comments that your opinion is rarely about the subject matter and usually about other posters. This is a clear case of small dick-i-tis-a and no brains-a, where you get your rocks off beating on other people rather than walking out on a limb and expressing an opinion that someone else might object to. Better to take the offense and be offensive than risk entering into an actual discussion.
Strike one, two and three-a.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:12
#255883
Let me repeat,,,Mr. Bystander..
The world now faces a stark choice between two alternatives, with Wall Street forcing the issue. The first is that the zombie banks and hedge funds, having been saved and bailed out by national states and their taxpayers, will repay the favor by driving the national states and all forms of state, provincial, and local government into bankruptcy. This will be synonymous with the destruction of modern civilization itself. The second and preferred alternative is that the national states summon the political will to use the inherent powers of government to place the zombie banks, hedge funds, and related purveyors of derivatives into bankruptcy receivership and shut them down once and for all, relying in the future on nationalized central banks for the provision of credit. The second alternative would allow the preservation of modern civilization as we have known it. But in the meantime, the derivatives-based speculative attack on the southern flank of the euro has accelerated the arrival of the second wave of depression, which now appears likely to strike the world before the end of 2010.
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:24
#255891
he's repeating.
that means it's on the test.
'modern civilization' jesus, is that a 16th century phrase?
geopol, you are an idiot.
'strike the world' 'destruction of civilization' 'second wave'
am i understood. geopol is an idiot.
geopol's references:
nostradamus
metallica
charles manson
his barber when he's angry
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 01:25
#255904
Your leaving many spaces under your post EDIT SCHOOL,,,As it relates to my posts....A long read is not in your future... It hurts your head...Realizing it is the first step in the recovery.. I must add,,,the only reason I'm responding to you is your avatar,,,and seven hits of vodka...both debilitating..
P.S. On the test?? with you??? MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:15
#255885
by fiasco
on Sat, 01/02/2010 - 20:13
#180890
hey religious man, why does a whore make a good nun
because she already kneel a lot
we the people want to order pizza with double cheese and pepperoni
we the people want chicken wings with a side of hot sauce
we the people keep voting for republican or democrat and still expect a different result
nietzsche say madness in groups is the norm and exception in the individual
so finish your pizza slice you tea party rebel, and i forgot
are you have dessert too?
by phaesed
on Sun, 01/03/2010 - 04:53
#181056
Did you go to a public school to write so poorly or is that a natural talent?
Your point was missed in your simplistic non-sensical ramblings. Who said I was religious? Usury is the proper name for interest, like it or not, no matter what Webster's 2.0 dictionary says.
Funny, I can be socialistic or religious... hrmmm, how about I just actually know what it's like to be poor and shit on while you're growing up. Of course, with your writing skills, you just might have grown up poor as well, obviously you have the ignorance part down.
by desafio
on Sun, 01/03/2010 - 12:26
#181180
mario is stupido of familia
he a flunk 3 grade like a three times, one a for each grade
we try keep a da helmet on him but he keep a take it off
when you a finish a play with mario please tell him go home to mama
on Sat, 03/06/2010 - 00:06
#255879
Are you kidding me? Is it not true that Greek citizens declaring $1 mm om tax return = 6 people. Is it not true that the "established" generation is reliant on unsustainable Gov't largess? Can young Greeks find jobs that pay enough to live on their own and start families? Ring a bell? In the U.S. college grads have NEVER faced as dismal a job market as today. Big Brother Government gives away the next generations future to buy votes today. SHAME!!! Throw the bums out!! Greeks: Sorry but you are already over the cliff. MOVE!