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White House Changes Story Of How bin Laden Was Taken Down

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Remember all those stories about bin Laden posing an armed threat and hiding behind a woman leaving the SEALs no other choice but to shoot him? Turns out they were not quite correct. Politico reports: "The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, including claims by senior U.S. officials that the Al Qaeda leader had a weapon and may have fired it during a gun battle with U.S. forces.
Officials also retreated from claims that one of bin Laden’s wives was killed in the raid and that bin Laden was using her as a human shield before she was shot by U.S. forces...During a background, off-camera briefing for television reporters later Monday, a senior White House official said bin Laden was not armed when he was killed, apparently by the U.S. raid team." At this point one wonders, as noted yesterday, just how much of the official story spun by the administration will continue to unravel.

More from Politico:

At a Pentagon briefing earlier in the day, a senior defense official said bin Laden used a woman as a human shield so he could fire shots. “He was firing behind her,” the official said.

In another background briefing early Monday morning, a senior administration official also said bin Laden put up a fight. “He did resist the assault force. And he was killed in a firefight,” the official said.

Another White House official familiar with the TV briefing confirmed the change to POLITICO, adding, “I’m not aware of him having a weapon.”

“The bottom line is the team that entered that room was met with resistance and took appropriate action,” said a third American official.

The White House on Monday night declined to elaborate on the nature of the resistance bin Laden allegedly put up. However, an official confirmed that the Al Qaeda founder was shot twice, once in the head and once in the chest.

At the Monday evening briefing for TV reporters, a senior official also corrected what Brennan described earlier as “my understanding” that the woman who acted as a shield for bin Laden was one of his wives and was killed.

“A different guy’s wife was killed,” a different official familiar with the briefing for TV reporters said Monday night. Bin Laden’s wife was “injured but not killed,” the official said.

Another official familiar with the operation said it did not appear that any woman was used as a human shield, but that the woman killed and the one injured were hurt in the crossfire. The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden’s wife with another encounter elsewhere in the compound.

“Two women were shot here. It sounds like their fates were mixed up,” said the U.S. official. “This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed.”

In another discrepancy, Brennan said during his on-the-record briefing that bin Laden’s son Khalid was killed in the attack. However, the official White House transcript had the counterterrorism adviser saying it was another son, Hamza, who perished in the raid.

Needless to say, at this point nobody is really holding their breath to see Osama's death certificate.

 

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Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:48 | 1233639 samsara
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Look a little bit closer.  You swallowed the lie and then complaining about the script.

There WAS no murder you fool.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:52 | 1233749 DrLamer
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How is that "was no murder"?

Even The Jesus Christ in Rome bloody paganistic Empire was crucified only after a TRIAL before paganistic prefect of Judea (to be precise, that was a TRIPLE TRIAL).

And the jews were sent for that into 2000-years galut within christianic countries.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:11 | 1233995 takinthehighway
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The authorities couldn't produce a body then, either.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:26 | 1234062 DrLamer
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Murder conviction without a body

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_conviction_without_a_body

Conviction for murder in the absence of a body is possible; although historically, cases of this type have been hard to prove, the prosecution must rely on other evidence, usually circumstantial. Recent developments in forensic science make it less likely that such a murder will go unpunished.

Also

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/murder-cases-without-a-body-a...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:22 | 1233519 somethingelse
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ultimately however it is portrayed in Kathryn Bigelow's blockbuster film (she directed "The Hurt Locker" and her team has rights to the movie version of the Osama mission story) is how we will as a country recall it in our collective conscience.  Much like Oliver Stone's JFK crystallized a collective viewpoint on the Kennedy assassination/conspiracy.     It will be interesting to see what direction the film takes...if i were them,  i wouldn't draft the screenplay just yet....the sub-text has yet to emerge...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:20 | 1233520 azusgm
Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:23 | 1233525 ILM5
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@ Re-Discovery...

That was short, to the point and hysterically funny!!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:36 | 1233597 Re-Discovery
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Thank you.  Thank you.  I'm here all week.  CDs in the lobby.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:23 | 1233526 Henry Chinaski
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Those who believed the storyline yesterday, should be fine with the revisions.  They won't release the true details.  It doesn't work that way. 

Any word on if the SEAL team is getting a Disney World parade today? The President?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:22 | 1233534 colonial
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We were told that the raid was both Navy Seals and CIA operatives.  Maybe it was the CIA that got him...

I'm only partially joking here.  I slept well last night regardless of whether OBL had a weapon or not.  And I also thought it was BRILLIANT to give him a burial at sea. 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1233539 gaillard111
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This story is nothing, ridiculous, etc...  who can believe such BS ?... except americans

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:24 | 1233541 Biff Malibu
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I can't wait for the video game to come out, just in time for Christmas!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:27 | 1233544 Barry McBear
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Remember Pat Tillman?  The NFL star who according to the Army Rangers at the time died a hero fighting enemy combatants but actually was shot 3 times in the head by "friendly fire".  They'll lie about anything.  Osama probably shot himself Hitler style.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman#Cover-up_surrounding_Tillman.27...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:26 | 1233549 prizmev
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It doesn't matter if bin Laden was actually alive or dead before the raid, or if he died in the raid or not, or if he ever existed at all.  The only thing that matters is that the 'state' now say's he's 'dead', so he's 'dead'.

The boogeyman is gone, no need to worry any more...

Now Obama can finally make good on one of his campaign promises - to bring the troops home from Afghanistan.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:27 | 1233555 pauldia
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bin Laden and his captured detainees always said he would not be taken alive. Most likely some form of suicide, either by himself, his wife, or suicide by Navy Seal. He may have threatened to grab a weapon, or suicide vest or whatever scenario , but, he was not going to be captured alive. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:28 | 1233560 Fred123
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Why would anyone believe a single word coming out of this administration of lying scumbags? Or anything the dirtbag press would print?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:32 | 1233576 DrLamer
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When the Abraham was chosen by God, the Abraham was forced by God to travel with so-called Amorites (probably to show Abraham the highest degree of amoral paganism). The Amorites did not bury their dead men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorite

Some of the Akkadian literature of this era speaks disparagingly of the Amorites, and implies that the Akkadians Sumerians viewed their nomadic way of life with disgust and contempt, for example:

The MAR.TU who know no grain.... The MAR.TU who know no house nor town, the boors of the mountains.... The MAR.TU who digs up truffles... who does not bend his knees (to cultivate the land), who eats raw meat, who has no house during his lifetime, who is not buried after death...[4]
Modern Americans are a kind of paganistic Amorites.
Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:19 | 1234042 Rusty Shorts
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mmm Truffles, manna from heaven.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:35 | 1233577 TSA gropee
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This whole thing stinks like a fresh turd, and I for one can't get over the timing of this. It's all too convenient for the one whose poll numbers are in the toilet and it seems to me this event would be a great start of the remaking of our cult of personality prez as he positions himself for 2012.

Did anyone else notice that he said "God" during his reciting of the pledge during his addressing of the nation? What's next, we're a Christian nation?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:32 | 1233579 saifstolemythesis
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The story keeps changing. Early reports were that soldiers were  ordered to kill Osama, not to arrest, even if that meant execution-style bullet to the head.

But then the story goes he was armed and fighting and was shot in the head from a distance.

There are video tapes that may never be released that would tell the truth.  But there are survivors to the attack that will provide their own eyewitness accounts.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:35 | 1233580 bigdumbnugly
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 this is what happens when a people are fed lies and half truths for too long a time.  It's like the story of the Boy who cried Wolf.  Soon you don't believe much and/or question everything that comes from their lips.

The incompetence of our leaders and our MSM to first get any real facts before spouting off whatever politically expedient version of an event is most advantageous to them at that moment is at critical mass.  Maybe Osama was killed in Pakistan.  Maybe he was buried at sea.  But if you can't believe anything you're told for so long by these massagers of facts, coupled with the constantly "revised" information that always seems to come later - why should you?

They create their own distrust.  And they deserve such.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:46 | 1233869 RichardENixon
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Sorry, I don't believe a word of that.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:46 | 1234905 bigdumbnugly
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 lol tricky dick

who could have known just how upstaged you were to be in later administrations?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:36 | 1233585 LibertyIn2010
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The key words -

"The White House backed away Monday evening from key details in its narrative about the raid that killed Osama bin Laden...

That's what most all of our news is - the narrative of the elites. 

The news we are given that makes up our perceptions of reality is simply a bunch of stories that are part of a larger, theatrical production in which the audience isn't even aware of its own participation. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:39 | 1233587 overmedicatedun...
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character does matter: any story with multiple revisions coming from current crop of pols and gov spokespeople is suspect,  we all now know: they lie, they appear as crooks and kleptocrats, any legitimate claim on honesty and transparent gov is just laughable.

we are left adrift in a sea of mis directions and mis information and anyone not totally cynical is our brave new world citizen of the year.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:37 | 1233602 outamyeffinway
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I call bullshit at the highest level. No fucking way do I believe this story.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:55 | 1233672 TruthInSunshine
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Which story?

That OBL was killed by a missile strike two weeks ago, or that he was killed Sunday, in a face to face confrontation in Pakistan?

How many other versions did I miss?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:40 | 1233603 velobabe
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this bullshit coming out of the WH is getting old. i don't know what happened, none of us do! but i sure as hell realized this country is built on fraud on top of more fraud. being a liar, just takes your life away from you. it spreads to every aspect of your life. this government or whatever you call these evil people, just have the job of sustaining the fraud. so they repeat the lie over and over and over again, then they believe it. i feel sorry for everybody involved. murderer, killing another murderer.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:55 | 1233663 tip e. canoe
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"In bad faith, it is from myself that I am hiding the truth" – Jean Paul Sartre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_faith

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:40 | 1233605 Dr. Gonzo
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I believe very little of the propaganda that passes for news here in the U.S. This story is the start of some big plans they have and opens up a realm of possibilities. Possibly a face saving exit in Afghanistan however my intuition tells me they want to ramp up a full blown World War III instead. If they are bankrupt might as well try to go for broke and steal everything instead of doing what is expected. After all. If you can't pay your credit card back just keep racking up the bill till they cut you off. It's the American way.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:41 | 1233619 EZYJET PILOT
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9/11 was an inside job, Banks are corrupt, Obama is a puppet, what else can I say?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:45 | 1233627 PaperWillBurn
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When did Osama become the leader of Al Qaeda? Did the Taliban and Al Qaeda merge?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:47 | 1233642 Astute Investor
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"The official said he believed Brennan had mixed up the episode involving bin Laden’s wife with a Steven Seagal movie the whole National Security team had watched the prior evening..."

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:49 | 1233643 MightyZum
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I wonder if we were able to recover all the money from the put options that Bin Laden placed on AMR and UAL the days before 9/11? That guy had such an ability to read markets like no other. Hopefully we can seize his TDAmeritrade account now that he is dead.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:49 | 1233644 writingsonthewall
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This has got to be the shittest lie ever. I mean come on guys - you managed to fake a whole moon landing in 1969 - now you can't even handle a simple fake death?

America has really gone downhill.

“This is hours old and the full facts are still being ascertained as those involved are debriefed"

What does this mean? - and how does that reflect on US intelligence and communication. Surely you know what happened the moment it happened - I mean for fuck sake Obama and his compatriots were all watching it live on TV!!!

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/situation-room-osama-bin-laden-2011-5

 

If you're gonna lie - try not to make it too unbelievable - that shit about Osama 'hiding behind his wife' - I mean which Hollywood hack wrote that bit up? That would look shit in a Bruce Willis movie - let alone real life.

This has familiar rings to it - like the 'story' given when this lady was killed - at first it was the terrorists that blew her up...then later the truth was discovered.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319683/Linda-Norgroves-death-ca...

I suspect 'ascertaining the full facts' means "Work out what we can lie about...and what we can get away with lying about...before we come clean with the full (edited) story for the sheepeople to lap up"

 

Anything to make the US army look like the heroes eh? - fuck me some Americans whooping USA at this news are the epitomy of stupidity. I mean what mindless morons to think that a) this story was credible (on May 1st too) and b) That it makes fuck all difference to anything.

It's funny how people will cling onto any thin strand of hope during a crisis - BTW whooping fools, now that your bogeyman is dead - how about your collapsed economy and the financial terrorists who just fucked you right over and are just about to do it again.....but hey - you got Bin Laden - GO USA, GO USA!

 

America - thanks mainly to George Bush - has created a thousand Osama bin ladens over the last 10 years - plenty to keep Al Quaeda going for longer than the Dollar will stay reserve currency - that's for sure.

 

Put simply - Al Quaeda is a FRANCHISE - you don't end McDonalds domination of the fast food market by assasinating Ronald McDonald at your local store!

 

I pray for the sensible half of America to overcome it's dimwitted brothers and sisters.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:47 | 1233645 New American Re...
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'Truth' will require a new definition in Websters, and an asterisk will be mounted next to it to clarify when it is being reported by the government,... this includes all branches, especially the Bureau of Lies and Statistics.   Any 'Truth' coming out of the White House will be followed by a ?   This is more an indication of their incompetence in telling the governments version of the 'Truth' than the more sophisticated lies 'Truth' coming from the government in general.

However, any bits of 'Truth' emanating from either the Dept. of Defense, Treasury, and the Federal Reserve Bank will remain classified as 'Out Right, Bold Faced Lies', so as not to confuse anyone.

This has been a public service message of the New American Revolution.   Thank you.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:48 | 1233649 mogul rider
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Wag the Dog

Wag the Dog

.................................

No pics, no vid, nothing.

 

How can the US people be so fucking stupid

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:48 | 1233652 mogul rider
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I killed him - trust me.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:50 | 1233659 vxpatel
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why did they feel the need to lie in the first place?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:19 | 1234411 i-dog
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  • habit
  • training
  • policy
  • all of the above

At least we can tell when O'bomber is lying ... his lips are moving.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:17 | 1233660 TruthInSunshine
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In other news, rare earth metals are soaring in value (hmmm, Afghanistan shares much border area land mass with China), and those oil and natural gas pipelines traversing Afghanistan (of which Karzai family members have a very large financial interest in) and critical to Europe, China and Russia are not going to build themselves, people!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:56 | 1233667 tmftdoyle
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well, bullet-dodging hillary was in the room, why wouldn't there be embellishment.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:56 | 1233669 mrdenis
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"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.". ....Patton 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:57 | 1233680 mrdenis
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Word out of the WH is that they let Obama do the actually shot .....http://i.imgur.com/KxuGl.jpg

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:00 | 1233686 onlooker
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Once trust is broken it is hard to rebuild. over and over and round and round. When the truth is told, who will know??

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:02 | 1233699 gurkha108
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You're supposed to float the body in a proper Muslim burial in water.  I've seen Muslims in India wrapping and floating bodies down the Ganges. 

 

All this 'proper Muslim burial' crap being put out by the administration is demonstrably and blatantly false. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:20 | 1233771 jtaskinen
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India is a hindu country, you stupid americano

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:22 | 1233787 earnyermoney
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There are a lot of Muslims in India, dumbass.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:29 | 1233817 gurkha108
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In terms of population, India is the third largest Muslim country in the world.

 

What ignorant-ass country are you from?  Go out and see the world, you'll be less of an ignorant prick. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:46 | 1233796 DrLamer
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ou're supposed to float the body in a proper Muslim burial in water.  I've seen Muslims in India wrapping and floating bodies down the Ganges.

They are FRIENDS AND RELATIVES. This is a burial tradition in any decent modern/ancient nation. Do you see the difference with the Osama's "burial" (drop from helicopter into the sea)?

Or, maybe US Gov feels lack of Osama's relatives and friends?

Your government and your army are a bunch of liars.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:59 | 1233701 Mad Max
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Four iterations from now, the story will be that OBL had a tragic boating accident and was overboard; Seal Team 6 happened to be nearby on a USCG cutter while providing care to indigent dolphins, and tried valiantly to save him but he gargled the Arabic equivalent of "never!" and drowned himself.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:24 | 1233784 TruthInSunshine
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OBL was moved by the movie 'The Cove,' and went to save the Dolphins of Japan, but was attacked and captured by Somali Pirates in route, held for ransom, and finally turned over to U.S. Geological Survey Team Six after a heated gun battle.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:07 | 1233727 A Lunatic
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I guess no one has noticed that the actual faces of terrorism are being eradicated at an alarming pace....Saddam, Bin Laden, Gaddafi.............Terrorism will be going parabolic from here on out. The Bogeyman will be everywhere........and nowhere. Your neighbor, your friend, your employer.............YOU. Completely abstract, the perfect evil from which you must be saved.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:08 | 1233734 Seasmoke
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give them time, no movie beomes a classic without the script be worked and rewritten a few times......they will get it right soon

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:11 | 1233747 CHARLIE.DONT.SERF
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Why would their story be unraveling?  They're the only ones that were there.  They could have told us he was riding a unicorn and noone would be able to dispute it.  

It seems that they want to create controversy.

Perhaps the country was starting to unite against the bullshit and it was time for a little divide and conquer?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:15 | 1233750 KCnoTek
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Nice. Wait till Obama hits "reset" on the SimFed game he's been playing.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:16 | 1233756 digalert
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Osama has been dead for years, hence no photos and...c'mon "burial at sea?" Give me a fucking break. Can't get more than a very bad fabricated birth certicate for years. Then Bammo, Osama is killed by Obama, face blown off so no pictures? Proper burial at sea? That's rich. Almost don't know if you should be mad at the Barama regime or feel sorry.

see INFOWARS 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:17 | 1233766 Japhy Ryder
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According to the Pentagon, Pat Tillman fired the fatal shot.  OOPS.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:23 | 1233780 KCnoTek
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Can't wait for the new OBL video.

"Jihad against the US dogs of oppression."

Knock knock knock..

"Crap! Pause the tape! Honey, go see who's at the door. Hey, you can't - "

Pfffttt... (video static)

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:31 | 1233816 americanspirit
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Saudis didn't tell the US don't under any circumstances, whenever you get him or pretend to get him, bring that body - whoever it is - here. How the body was going to be handled if or when whoever is supposed to be bin Laden is killed in the raid had to have been part of the planning. There was literally no place to take that body once they took it - and they couldn't simply leave it, now could they - that would not have caused riots and downfalls of governments, except of course the US, and even that would have been very, very messy.

Occam's razon says the SEALS killed OBL because he was no longer useful alive. And then "buried" the evidence - er, body - at sea because there was no other option. But the question remains - useful to who? Qui buono? Who benefitted by having him alive for so long living in the heart of at least a strong branch of the Pakistani intelligence/military community? Is it really possible that US intelligence only recently discovered where OBL was located, and that we actually took unilateral action?  And taking this one step further, one wonders what kind of access that particular branch of the Pakistani intelligence/military community that shielded/used OBL also has to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal? Hmmm.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:29 | 1233820 Quicksilver Will
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Most of the truth will out. There were too many glory hogs in the situation room for it not to. Most course have built in reality compensators but by comparing accounts we should eventually get pretty close.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:30 | 1233821 dark pools of soros
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most stories go through a few re-writes..  they can fix this in post production

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:31 | 1233825 windcatcher
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27 million dollar bounty for bin Laden and not one neighbor turned him in. What a great neighborhood to live 6 years in!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:34 | 1233829 Cthonic
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Drudge states that WH will release photos.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:34 | 1233830 ThirdEye
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"So we've never made the case or argued the case that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."

Dick Cheney on Tony Snow Show   3/29/06

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:33 | 1233833 Cursive
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Another TBTF/TPTB FAIL.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:47 | 1233835 DrLamer
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This was a Biblical event, described in Chapter 11 of the Revelation Book of Bible

http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/11.htm

and the refusal to bury their bodies properly - is strongly against the USA from the point of view of The Chief Lawyer. This is yet another proof of crime against justice, done by US Gov and by the whole american people.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1234606 Rusty Shorts
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so, OBL will rise from the dead in 3.5 days and ascend to heaven, mmm kay. Lets see, OBL was killed May 1, so we should see him again on May 4.5?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:06 | 1234839 DrLamer
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so, OBL will rise from the dead in 3.5 days and ascend to heaven, mmm kay. Lets see, OBL was killed May 1, so we should see him again on May 4.5?

There are similarities between death of Osama and earlier death of Saddam Hussein's sons. If the US people has turned to God in recent years, the "Osama part" of the prophecy would never be executed. But the US people did not give any chance for the situation to recover.

Therefore the prophecy of revelation book was executed TWICE.

First "death" of Osama was declared years ago, and he have already "rised from dead" years ago. As for about 3.5 days - lets wait and see. I already told You - I have seen Osama in heaven yesterday.

I can tell You that is YOU (mostly) executes the prophecy from Revelation Book, not God. That is why a prophecy, written 2000 years ago, allows slight deviation in real execution - up to the situation.

(5 minutes later) P.S. I am ordered to ask You: is the "3.5 days" - the only part of a Chapter 11 prophecy that You don't understand/beleive ? Please, answer.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:50 | 1235256 Rusty Shorts
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Who ordered you to ask me? and no, I don't understand most of the Book of Revelations.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:05 | 1235308 DrLamer
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Who ordered you to ask me?

The Author (s).

and no, I don't understand most of the Book of Revelations.

The question was about short Chapter 11 only.

Ok. You have avoided the direct answer, because You think "It is not possible. It could not happen. It is simply a fantasy". You refuse to beleive that Revelation part of Bible is AGAINST the USA and US people.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:27 | 1235433 Rusty Shorts
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"Ok. You have avoided the direct answer, because You think "It is not possible. It could not happen. It is simply a fantasy". You refuse to beleive that Revelation part of Bible is AGAINST the USA and US people."

 

You haven't a clue to what I think. yes, i understand that the USA is the modern day Babylon and that it will fall. I was waiting for your guidence but nevermind...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:31 | 1235445 DrLamer
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Thank You for the reply.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 22:01 | 1236656 tip e. canoe
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you might enjoy this one rusty:

http://www.cleversley.com/religion-delusions/revelation-a-psychedelic-vi...

"Were there entheogens or at least an altered state of consciousness available to John on Patmos? "

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 00:42 | 1237056 DrLamer
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Thank You, but I don't need any interpretation, because I have The Source over me.

Please read the explanation on this page of ZH:

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/follow-presidents-announcement-nation-l...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 01:11 | 1237104 tip e. canoe
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i was addressing Rusty, good Doc.

one man's Source is another man's Shroom.

it's all good brother, live & let live...

btw, is that a pine tree in your avatar?  ever wonder about why there's a pinecone in St. Peters?

http://mysticbanana.com/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-pinecone-statue-and-c...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 02:49 | 1237147 DrLamer
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btw, is that a pine tree in your avatar?  ever wonder about why there's a pinecone in St. Peters?

It is Cedar of Lebanon.

The bronze pine cone is in Vatican

http://touritaly.org/tours/vaticanmuseum/Vatican06.htm

because in The First Temple - The King Solomon made the ceiling of the house of beams and planks of cedar. Cedar of Lebanon was almost on every corner in Israel that time.

http://www.templemount.org/solomon.html

Vatican was considering (by Pope Symmachus (498- 514)) cedar as The King David's tree, but due to the lack of actual cedar wood, they have built a bronze Pine cone (erecting bronze cedar tree was almost impossible). Two peacocks are also very similar to birds in The First Temple.

It is obvious, and I don't understand why this was called "a secret" (until today):

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Secrets_of_the_Vatican

Any Christmas tree is an analogue to Cedar of Lebanon.

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 08:13 | 1237409 tip e. canoe
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ah, the cedars of Lebanon, beautiful.   nice choice.

yes, you're right, the Pigna is not at St. Peter's anymore, but it was when Dante was alive.   and the pope still carries one on the top of his staff.

your explanation seems a plausible one, but then why didn't they just call it the bronze Cedar cone?   and what explains the use of the Pinecone (or cedar cone) in earlier Roman mythology from where the exact fountain came (Temple of Isis)?

http://www.conesandstones.com/historical-symbolism.html


The light of the body is the eye: if therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light.

--Matthew 6:22

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:21 | 1237921 DrLamer
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your explanation seems a plausible one, but then why didn't they just call it the bronze Cedar cone?  

The answer about "why didn't they" is beyond my job here. There are more important issues in modern world.

and what explains the use of the Pinecone (or cedar cone) in earlier Roman mythology from where the exact fountain came (Temple of Isis)?

The same reason as above.

This is Zerohedge and the world is on the edge.

 

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 06:43 | 1242277 tip e. canoe
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if you do not wish to discuss these topics, then don't bring mythology into ZH.

simple mate.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 10:47 | 1233885 writingsonthewall
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Yeah - because it's natural that the first thing you do when you kill the man you've been hunting for more than a decade...and spent billions in finding him....you destroy any scrap of evidence of the killing by quickly disposing of the body.

....or do you believe that the US military wanted to 'respect the religion' of the man they have been hunting for over a decade - and promptly gave him the burial at sea he would have wished for??

...or the people of the village who had no idea that the 'large building in the town which looks like a compound' was infact a hideout for the most wanted man in the world - I bet those villagers were never interested in the $50 Million reward for tipping off the Americans as to where he was. You can't even get a flat in Islamabad for that price!!

 

It seems that Government cuts are beginning to bite - they have obviously reduced the propoganda department at the Whitehouse to a shoestring which means it's making up lies worse than a 5 year old that stand about as much scrutiny.

 

I'm sure they will release the appropriate pictures as soon as they are 'ready' and all nicely 'touched up' - because why wouldn't you hold onto the pictures you have for a while to 'generate suspicion' about your killing of Bin Laden - I mean it's not like you have a credibility problem with the public now is it?

This is a shit fraud - they should have asked the bankers how to fool the world - they know best.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:51 | 1234621 Rusty Shorts
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The compound was built sometime between 2001 and 2005. Somebody knows who built it.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:16 | 1233963 benb
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The official story has been complete flatulence from stem to stern. The word is Osama died of kidney disease in 2002. His body was recovered and according to federal traitors in the know –“Was kept On Ice to be released at an opportune moment.” The Little Bush Gang was going to thaw the Boogie Man out just before the 2004 election but it was decided it was too much of a bust.

With Obama’s numbers crashing along with the economy and The Donald nipping at his ankles it was time to deliver the diversionary miracle… next, the O.J. jailbreak and 27 hour car chase. Perhaps O.J. can make it to the airport this time, get past the TSA groping, and hijack a jumbo-jet with Anna Nicole’s exhumed body held in ransom in return for a for a full presidential pardon.

Obama Shamefully Exploits Bin Laden Fairytale In Transparent PR Stunt

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:13 | 1234011 Problem Is
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Are We STILL Writing the Script?

"White House Changes Story Of How bin Laden Was Taken Down..."

These last minute rewrites is how a lot of Barry Soetoro's telepromtin' turns out...

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:21 | 1234036 I am Jobe
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Just say Waffle House and not White House.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:22 | 1234048 Madcow
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question here - 

i keep reading about a "cathartic outpouring of pride" in response to the killing of Bin Laden -

but i have seen nothing of the sort here in Texas.

are people celebrating in other parts of the country? can anyone confirm??


Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:37 | 1234130 Trundle
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What happens when all you "nattering nabobs of negativity" are proved correct?

First in line, IRS audit time.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:41 | 1234139 PulauHantu29
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No one cares about this guy anymore. MSM doesn't even cover the wars anymore. Most people would rather read about Big Foot...or Idols...or Dancing with the Stars.

Sorry.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 11:43 | 1234153 JR
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“Jeffrey Toobin of the New Yorker blogs on the legality of killing bin Laden. He concludes 'Bin Laden didn’t get a trial and didn’t deserve one. But the number of people for whom that is true is small.' This thinking is seriously defective, because it obviously prejudges bin Laden and uses that prejudgment to deny him his rights. Besides, a trial isn’t only to protect the rights of bin Laden. It is to protect the rights of any accused person! It’s a social good. He should have had a trial as much for our sakes as his. Destroying his rights destroys ours and the rule of law. Obama (acting under the rubric of the State) has no more right to assassinate anyone than you and I as private persons do. His order to kill not only maintains the artificial rationale that killing by the State becomes a legal and moral act, but also it extends it, since this killing made not even a feeble attempt to uphold the rule of law.” Professor Emeritus Finance and Managerial Economics Michael S. Rozeff (retired)

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:00 | 1234239 DrLamer
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This was a very strange message. It contradicts with everything on TV and media. Are you sure that You are an American, living in USA? Can You provide Your birth certificate?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:14 | 1234384 Natasha Fatale
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This reminds me of a recurring SNL skit called "Really?!!" by Seth Meyers and Tina Fey.

But of course you won't find these Obama apologists calling him out for this... they reserve their satire for Conservatives.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:39 | 1234563 TruthInSunshine
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Just an FYI and a minor (or major) correction -

If the government is to be believed, the U.S. has now spent well over 3.5 trillion dollars in responding to OBL's attacks of 9/11, if one includes Iraq, Afghanistan, ops in other places, monies paid to contractors and defense firms, and domestic and global intelligence apparatus expansion.

And I do believe that 3.5 trillion will turn out to be a very conservative figure.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 12:48 | 1234603 Ovis Americanis
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Why are there no names of these alleged "senior WH officials" and "a different official"? This story is full of shit. There's not one single name attached to any of that article. All the sources are un-named.

That is some incredibly talented journalism coming from Politico. NOT!

And almost every single one responding here fell for it.

 

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:23 | 1234785 DrLamer
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This story is full of shit.

Your president called it "justice".

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:05 | 1234694 nah
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story is so bad... they should make a porn movie out of it... where all the women are terrorists... and all the men are US Navy Seals... Osama bin Justice

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:16 | 1234748 cdskiller
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+1 Nice. I'm beginning the screenplay right now.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:06 | 1234701 Mariposa de Oro
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Needless to say, at this point nobody is really holding their breath to see Osama's death certificate

 

The dog ate it, just like the college transcripts/homework.

;-)

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:14 | 1234731 Carl Spackler
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TYLER, I say it is a fake photo !  (do I win a Zero Hedge T-Shirt if correct?)

News reports have consistently said that Bin Laden was shot through his left eye.

The picture shows bin Laden's RIGHT SIDE having suffered damage/blood.

Only an amateur fraud photo maker would make that basic of a mistake...namely, his left is your right, not your left is also his.

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:14 | 1234737 cdskiller
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I'm not wondering how much the official story will change. What I want to know is why they lied. People lie when they feel pressure, when they feel that telling the truth will get them in trouble. What was so dangerous about telling the truth in this? Why the need to make up a bunch of bullshit?

There is no other logical conclusion to be made other than something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Don't even get me started on the absolutely preposterous justification for supposedly burying him at sea in accordance with Islamic law. Like we have ever cared about Islamic law, or respecting their dead, or about creating martyrs out of al-Qaeda leaders. The whole thing smells to high heaven.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:19 | 1234753 TheObsoleteMan
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I have grown up my entire life listening to one lie after another spewed from the Federal governmint and their whores from the press and media. The first lie I ever heard was told on November 22, 1963. The next on was about the Gulf of Tonkin, and the lies just kept coming after that, in fact, they have not ceased. That is why whenever I hear a story like this, I immediately doubt it. Why wouldn't I? I have'nt watched any TV {except for a couple sporting events} in years now. Hell, I don't even believe the weather man anymore.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:19 | 1234767 -Michelle-
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So, I guess they didn't have a live feed after all.  Does that mean that tension-filled photo of the gang at the WH was staged?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:27 | 1234803 Carl Spackler
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Actually, they were evaluating Obama's golf swing to see if he is on plane at impact.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:37 | 1234859 SRV - ES339
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ZH comments have officially become an unreadable waste of time... I guess it's true that all good things come to an end... r.i.p.

"On a long enough timeline..."

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:26 | 1235419 TheObsoleteMan
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Hey SRV, don't let the door hit you on your ass on your way out! How did we ever get along without you this long is beyond me......

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:19 | 1235622 Lucius_Junius_Brutus
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No trial, no bodies, no videos, no pictures. So... the only thing we have for sure is their word and a power point? Seems light for the catch of the decade.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 17:02 | 1235737 GeoffreyT
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OK, So now that Jessica Lynch, Jesus and Rambo went and killed Adolf-Emmanuel-Goldstein-Saddam-bin-Laden, what now? It’s not going to be like that time that Rocky VI ended Communism.

 

 

  • Less money for the Zionist Welfare-Queen to use to steal others’ land? HAH!
  • Less airborne evisceration of innocents on the AfPak border? Don’t kid yourself.
  • Less intrusion into the lives of Mundanes? You’re kidding, right?

 

 

bin Laden has been dead since 2001 – that has been known, reported widely, and only Yanks who get their news from the New York Pravda believe otherwise.

 

In any case, he was not ‘evil’; he was no more evil than George Washington was evil for opposing British oppression in HIS country – and he was several orders of magnitude less evil than Kissinger, Truman, Curtis le May, or even Clinton. I would argue that William S Sherman was MORE evil, since the civilians he killed were his own countrymen (and it was more than 3000).

 

If the mainswamp story is to be believed, the nineteen men (mostly Saudis) that carried out 911 beat the most expensive air-defence system in the history of man, and flew some planes into a set of urban buildings that their intel told them was a C3 (command, control and communications) centre – communications infrastructure, a CIA station, some DIA offices and so forth.

 

Sure, there was some ‘collateral damage’ – hell, let’s go Full Cheney Batshit and call the dead ‘alleged insurgents’ or ‘supporters of the US reign of terror over the developing world’ (that'swhat every dead Afghan is in Bill Keller's NY Pravda). But it was ‘worth it’ to try and secure freedom in their country from people who were hell bent on changing their way of life (to steal a phrase from Cheneyites).

 

Not for nothin’, but 911 did a FRACTION of what the US has been doing globally since 1985; from the Phillipines (“remember the Maine!” -a false flag) to Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (“remember the Maddox” in Tonkin Gulf – another false flag), to Iraq I and II (“500k children were ‘worth it’” according to on US vampire) and Afghanistan/AfPak. Literally MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of innocent men, women and children incinerated, their lands occupied, their enemies supported, their governments overthrown… and some guy who leads the charge AGAINST that is the evil one? FFS…

 

Yanks need to get their heads out of their collective arses and stop pretending that when your government kills and maims and steal it’s “whoops”! It’s not accidental, not is it an unfortunate consequence of trying to do good and spread Liberty(tm) and Freedom(r).

 

Your body count is almost the size of Stalin’s or Mao’s, but it’s folks OUTSIDE your borders (if we count the poor Red indians, the US government beats all comers by a handy margin). And bin Laden just wanted your Death Machine to back the fuck off and stop killing (and aiding the killing of) Arab kids.

Besides, he EXPLICITLY denied involvement in 911 several times 9including outlining WHY it was a wrong act in islamic law)l folks who are able to get close to his circle - like Eric Margolis - are wary of attributing 911 to him.

 

 

 

Also... the "make outlandish statements for the TV news then retract them for the print media" is taken straight out of the playbook of Peter Teeley (GHWBush's media spindoctor):

 

"When the President or Vice-President appears on television, 80 million people see him. Even if he makes a mistake and the newspapers report the error, maybe 2000 people see the correction, or 20,000 or 200,000".  (source: "Seeing things the White House Way", New York Magazine, 27 May 1985, p20 

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ybUBAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=PEter+Teeley+TV+newspapers&source=bl&ots=q88rqqBVu9&sig=K43C4T75TBIRdQP-24CQtsayPGU&hl=en&ei=UGvATbXTO4OAvgPis420BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=PEter%20Teeley%20TV%20newspapers&f=false )

Replace "makes a mistake" with "utters a complete load of fabricated horse-shit"  and you have modern political media management theory in two sentences - and once you add the corruption of the role of media under vermin like Keller, the Iron Curtain is complete.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 01:17 | 1237109 tip e. canoe
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"folks who are able to get close to his circle - like Eric Margolis - are wary of attributing 911 to him."

not to mention the FBI.  good soap there GT.   scrubs the grease right off.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 18:34 | 1236082 Buck Johnson
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It would be real easy to not only grab his body but the few survivors that where there in order to say that was him along with the 5 HOUR DNA TEST!!!!!!!  How in gods name did they manage to get a DNA test that fast and where, the ship didn't have the ability or lab to do a good DNA or any DNA testing.  Something about this whole story is bunk.

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