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White House Provides Update On Operation "Nobel Peace Prize" - "Use Of Ground Troops Not At Top Of List"

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Earlier, we reported that Obama mentioned that NATO is currently evaluating military options against Libya. Now, White House spokesman Carney adds some additional color on what Operation "Nobel Peace Prize", aka the invasion of Libya, will look like. From Reuters: "White House says no option removed from table on Libya response but use of ground troops not at top of list."Does that mean air force intervention is at the top? Luckily Zero Hedge readers know very well that the USS Enterprise is now peacefully sailing in the Mediterranean, awaiting for its moment in the sun. And on the use of the SPR: "White House says no specific price point would trigger the use of oil reserve; the issue is oil supply disruption." But what supply disruption: wasn't the spin up to now that Libya is largely irrelevant for the US from a supply perspective?



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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:59 | 1026656 DOT
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From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of............?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:09 | 1026698 CPL
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...Florida obviously.


China won't let anyone go jumping around one of their large investment in MENA.  Anyone does, gets one million troops on the ground in their country the next day.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:40 | 1026859 BobPaulson
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China doesn't do invasions man. Read Sun Tzu.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:51 | 1026914 trav7777
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2 things:  fuck Sun Tzu.  A bunch of horseshit written by a guy who knew nothing about war.  How many wars has China successfully prosecuted in its HISTORY?  All this gaga reverence of eastern bullshit has got to stop.  You want to know war, read Rommel or Patton or any of the soviet generals on the Eastern Front.

2nd thing, China COULDN'T invade ANYONE.  They lack the naval capability to mount an amphibious invasion of Hong Kong, much less anywhere else in the world.  The sealift capability to move 1M men is so far from trivial that anyone who suggests China could do such a thing is a retard.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:05 | 1026982 BobPaulson
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I don't agree on the Sun Tzu comments - what applies today is that most of war is not on the battlefield but is posturing.

As for China and invading anybody, agreed, the only place they could entertain an attack on would be touching them: Korea, Tibet, Vietnam.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:12 | 1027022 disabledvet
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u mean during the time of GENERAL Sun Tzu?  China didn't just "invade everybody" then--they never lost.  That includes GENERAL Sun Tzu.  Insofar as "naval assets" they're "working on that."  It's a long way to the Med however--and who needs a Navy when you "have Italy" so to speak?  I must say "Obama as the Dark Prince" is surprising to me--not so much as him being it but "his style" which is strikingly and openly imperious.  I like it!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:51 | 1027153 asdasmos
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Realty Mogul, Sam Zell, Talks Inflation - says we're not seeing inflation because the CPI is distorted. (Mar. 3 2011)

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:06 | 1027184 Michael
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James Bond agents trying to take control of Libya impotent against Libyan rebels.

Libyan rebels will need to turn their guns on a new target, the Americans getting ready to invade their country to steal their oil.  Mother of a soldier said on Alex Jones her son got orders to be deployed to Libya.

SAS-Sacked Libyan Diplomatic Mission Ends in Humiliation

"A British diplomatic effort to reach out to Libyan rebels has ended in humiliation as a team of British special forces and intelligence agents left Benghazi after being briefly detained.

The six SAS troops and two MI6 officers were seized by Libyan rebels in the eastern part of the country after arriving by helicopter four days ago. They left on HMS Cumberland, the frigate that had docked in Benghazi to evacuate British and other EU nationals as Libya lurched deeper into conflict. The diplomatic team's departure marked a perfunctory end to a bizarre and botched venture.

"I can confirm that a small British diplomatic team has been in Benghazi," said William Hague, the foreign secretary. "The team went to Libya to initiate contacts with the opposition. They experienced difficulties, which have now been satisfactorily resolved. They have now left Libya.""

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:12 | 1027222 trav7777
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there was NO CHINA in that period; there were only warring dynasties.

Get your history straight, as well as the facts.  It's not even clear if there really was a Sun Tzu in the first place.

China's military history is mediocre.  You want war philosophy, study Ghengis Khan.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:30 | 1027462 A Nanny Moose
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Bingo! He worked wonders in present day Afghanistan

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 18:15 | 1027632 CPL
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Yup, primary reason why China is what it is today. What creeps out most people is Ghengis controlled pretty much everything to half way through europe.  In local dialects we get the terms orc, goblin and ogre from them.  Living on horses, with incredible compound bow technology and masters of improvization and guerilla tactics, Europe, China, India and the Middle East got their respective asses handed to them.

From what I understand Sun Tzu and Jesus have a lot in common, namely a weird mismash of philosophies that were either aped or created by other philisophers.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 20:19 | 1027962 sun tzu
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Rommel got his butt kicked in Africa. What the hell did he do other than overextend his army which led to a horrible defeat at el Alamein? He took over a bunch of desert wasteland.

Patton "won" after the greatly outnumbered German army had already been thoroughly defeated in the east and were greatly outnumbered, undersupplied and had no airforce to defend their ground forces from allied fighter-bombers.

The Soviet Generals won because they outnumbered the Germans. The Germans lost because they took on the USA, USSR and UK at the same time. It would have been hard for the allies to lose. The Soviets lost 4 men for every German casualty. Great generals indeed.


Get your fact straight before spouting your bullshit

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 11:29 | 1029587 BobPaulson
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Rommel had a good string of victories before el Alamein.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:15 | 1027025 SilverRhino
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>> China won't let anyone go jumping around one of their large investment in MENA.  Anyone does, gets one million troops on the ground in their country the next day.

Are you joking?  China is not in the power projection business in any way, shape or form.   They have some nukes and a shitload of infantry on the other side of the supercontinent.    All the Chinese (700K) in the Sudan / rest of Africa?   Light infantry at best.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 20:19 | 1027965 sun tzu
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China does have a proxy that can cause the USA many problems. North Korea. 


they also have the nuclear option in US debt. 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 13:59 | 1026658 Maiden Lane
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We have to spread Hope & Change, right?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1026659 snowball777
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Translation: Use of ground troops definitely on list

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1026675 living on the edge
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Correction, ground troops have boots on the ground in Libya already. What an incompetent moron we have for a president.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:41 | 1026865 BobPaulson
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They mean more than just special forces. 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:17 | 1027036 TeamAmerica
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I'll bet that incompetent moron knows a lot more about what assets we have and where they are than you do.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 20:24 | 1027972 sun tzu
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I guess that means he has a high IQ because someone gives him a report telling him where our troops are located.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:13 | 1026720 cougar_w
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Yeah, subtle huh?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:36 | 1026835 Mercury
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Not gonna happen.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:41 | 1026861 duo
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Hussein al-Kenya Obama didn't rule out the use of Xe mercenaries.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:33 | 1027070 Pegasus Muse
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Maybe some of his clansmen from the Luo tribe are up for the job. 

kaydafee hires his mercs. o'bummer, his cousins. 

But no counting family in your Jobs Program total, BHO.  They gotta be 'mericans working in america to count.   

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1026661 yipcarl
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Yea let's spend more money we don't have and make people hate us more.  I hate our policies.  We deserve to get smacked in the mouth. It's all about the money.  The Goldman Whores want Gaddafi's money.  Give me a F-ing break.  This is all created by the bankers.  The same people responsible for everything.  

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:00 | 1026663 equity_momo
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When do we get to see Saudi's real output numbers ? Are they going to pull a BLS and fudge them to save face? Oil could fly to 170 and theyre still going to say they have excess capacity or are indeed already producing 10mbpd. Their reserves are not independently audited - are their production figures?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:42 | 1026871 BobPaulson
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Good point. It's a complete black box.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:01 | 1026669 Newsboy
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The choice here is for the US to let gaddafi go, as he is trying to negotiate, concurrent with his last ditch offensive, or to make him stay, make the blood flow, and use it as an excuse to move in with the military. We shall soon see. I vote to let the bastard and his family take some gold and fly to Belarus:


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:02 | 1026673 williambanzai7
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:06 | 1026685 Millivanilli
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Hehehe!  Good one.  By the way,  I enjoy your work.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:03 | 1026674 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Can someone please answer me this:

What exactly has Libya done to warrent all this recent 'war' talk? What have they done recently that they haven't been doing for decades? What have they done that other tyrannical ran countries, such as Zimbabwe (who never had military intervention from the international heros), haven't done?

As far as i'm aware, the last i heard we were all buddies with Gaddafi and Libya, it was only yesterday that Tony Blair was sucking Gaddafi off with a big grin on his face and we were trading alledged Lockerbie bombers for commercial incentives?

Well, what's changed in the past month? Us free thinking, critical thinking human beings would like to know!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:06 | 1026683 IrishSamurai
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You've never seen a magician, have you ...

Watch the other hand, my boy, to understand the trick.  Watch the other hand ...

Libya is a distraction (and a convenient excuse) from the economic meltdown that is about to take place.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:51 | 1026915 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Libya is a distraction (and a convenient excuse) from the economic meltdown that is about to take place""

...Absolutely Correct Sir....

w/ Rising Oil/Food/Population...makes Canada's four Western Provinces...with a plethora of natural resources and only 12.5 million citizens, led by gateway city, Vancouver BC...

""Based on a combination of environment, health care, culture and infrastructure, Vancouver topped the list of the world's most liveable cities for the fifth straight year, according to a new report


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:27 | 1027266 ColonelCooper
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DoucheSpam Junk.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 18:18 | 1027641 CPL
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Fuck Hong-couver.  What a dump.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:07 | 1026930 depression
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Geithner emptying the SPR is a good first mitigation step. Threatening to Invade Libya will let the air out of this speculative commodity bubble and bring price back to normal because everyone is  understands the instability in MENA is causing all these high prices.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:18 | 1027031 disabledvet
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"the other hand" is SA.  "The Prize."  Insofar as "about to take place" meltdown--where were you in 2008?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:41 | 1027124 IrishSamurai
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2008 was the opening act ... get drunk now cause the main act is going to be killer ...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:06 | 1026688 equity_momo
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If Zim was sat on even as little as 1% of global oil production you'd have your answer.  At some point we'd risk NKorean nukes if they were swimming in the stuff too.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:10 | 1026696 IrishSamurai
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Blood for Oil!!!!!!!1111!!!!eleventy!

Get back on the FAIL bus ... Libya is 1% of world production ... and .006% of U.S. production ...

This is a convenient distraction (and excuse) for Benny and Inkjets to claim "no one could have seen this coming" when the deflationary death denouement commences this summer ...



Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:16 | 1026733 cougar_w
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Von Bernankstein is even now warming up his pitching arm for QE3.

Gotta wonder how the Chinese will answer to this one.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:16 | 1026739 equity_momo
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Yes right , NATO fluffing around in Libya , a country most americans cant spell or place on the map , is going to provide the distraction for the sheep so as not to notice their economy has been ground into the dirt by Bernanke and the boys. ....  

1) Americans with a brain already know this

2) Those without a brain do not need expensive military engagements as distractions. The rectangle in the corner spewing out reality shows does that very efficiently.


Follow the oil , every single barrel.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:21 | 1026761 IrishSamurai
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This isn't about the oil ... it is about the house of Saud.

Now if by extension you suggest that this is about the house of Saud oil ... on that I might cede your point.

But this has nothing to do with securing the Libyan oil for U.S. purposes ... none.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:56 | 1026938 trav7777
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agree and have said so over the past few years when the topic has arisen.

The House of Saud is the strategic lynchpin in the petrodollar and the reason we escaped the USSR's fate when our oil production peaked in 1970 (theirs hit in the very late 80s; they were gone within a couple of years).

If one can remember the early 70s, the US went from unstoppable, from muscle cars and kicking ass, to a malaise where we began to laugh at "made in the USA."  Inflation was rampant, the economy was crashing.  Raygun's strategic moves with the Sauds allowed their production to stand in for ours.  This era was the real genesis of neo-con power, as their strategy was the one that was employed and it did work.

Libya is as good a NA nation as any to deposit troops to "settle things down."

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:14 | 1027392 DaveyJones
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Good stuff. The house of saud IS the petrodollar. Now how do we keep millions of hungry, jobless pissed off young men irrelevant? Oh yeah, lots of weapons. Maybe

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:10 | 1026700 Oh regional Indian
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What had Iraqi's done? Or Afghanis? or Somalians (back when blackhawks were going down)? 

It's all a script, the dealer collecting all the cards off the table, odds were always in his favour, a couple of lucky marks got rich and everyone else is already thinking, will I catch the next big wave? No waves now suckers, only tsooooo nammys!

No cause wars are now the norm.

hey, you got the Himalayas. God made unfair mountain distribution.

In the name of the unjust god, I'm going to blow you apart so i can put a flag on the Himalayas. Of infinite appetite and gigantic ass, I want it all. Scarf scarf....all mine....snort snort...


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:30 | 1026804 Alex Kintner
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I have to chuckle when Obama says that Gaddafi has to go because he no longer has confidence of the Libyan people.

I wonder what Obama would do if 'Merican revolutionaries seized Detriot? Would Obama step down or roll the tanks against Motown.

The SOB is just be a continuation of the Bush Kleptocracy.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:03 | 1026678 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Please pass the popcorn...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:05 | 1026680 props2009
Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:05 | 1026681 kaiserhoff
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Nobel Peace Prize - 99 cents at the Dollar Store

ZH Sarcasm - Priceless

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:08 | 1026693 Alex Kintner
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The invasion of Iraq went sooooo well, they now want to double down on another war. These politicians are either complete idiots or corrupt SOBs that only want to keep the Military Industrial smoke stacks belching. ... And I don't think they are idiots so...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:21 | 1027044 disabledvet
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invasion went great!  "we're working on the takeover and running thingy.  sorry 'bout that."

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:11 | 1026718 tahoebumsmith
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Just remember," Don't let a good crisis go to waste".... They are preparing the sheeple for the next leg down. They will blame the gas prices and the unrest in the Middle East on the soon to be crash, meanwhile the BANKSTERS are going to grab another 5 trillion. Just when the ponzi is about to get busted, another total distraction to cover the truth. We all know the truth, the greatest heist in American history, or should we say the Bankster Bash?


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:23 | 1027047 disabledvet
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"and it's legal, too."  hate to say it but it's true.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:12 | 1026723 digalert
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Operation "Nobel Peace Prize"

+1 touche'

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:14 | 1026725 virgilcaine
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The Fed factory prints billions of cheap dollars daily to create havoc, so the Military Complex  can feed.. what an operation!

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:18 | 1026741 cougar_w
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When the Mafia does the same thing its called racketeering.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:16 | 1026732 Jeremy Roenick
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I feel the need, the need for speed.


Top Gun bitchez.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:21 | 1026759 Ayn Rand
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Can anyone trust anything this administration says?   Watch the actions; don't listen to the BS words.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:24 | 1026780 johnQpublic
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...and you shall know them by their deeds...


...and he shall be known throughout the lands as a bringer of peace...



i know its from revelations describing the antichrist and all, but if the show fits, throw it

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:22 | 1026770 johnQpublic
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worst president since bush

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:34 | 1026833 Alex Kintner
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+1.  They may have to do an elimination round to see who gets "Worst President Ever".

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:56 | 1026943 johnQpublic
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soooo many to choose from..

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:31 | 1027081 TeamAmerica
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Bush 43 would give James Buchanan a run for the prize.

Tue, 03/08/2011 - 00:05 | 1028546 Big Red
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I live across a valley from Buchanan's birthplace. Thought most of my life that Buchanan was a terrible president, and felt that the "locals" over there must feel a little ashamed for promoting his memory, and was a little "quiet" as I am a Pennsylvanian by birth (child of God first). My "thinking" was formulated by big government-lovers and the contrived written histories of this country.

Now I realize that:

-The "best" US Presidents have turned out to be the ones who "do the least", as in, they do NOT grow the government, for one example.

-Presidents that are constitutionalists are rare, but worthy, in their value to the citizens.

Buchanan makes the grade, easily.


The worst of all Presidents, we are told, was James Buchanan, who failed to use force against the South to quash secession in 1860—61. This only works if we accept two assumptions: 1) Southerners are nonpersons who should be killed by the government if they resist it; 2) the government is a power eternal and self-justifying without any reference to limitations or to the consent of the governed.

Dr. Clyde Wilson


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:45 | 1026894 BobPaulson
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Too funny. literally laughing out loud.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:58 | 1026956 TeamAmerica
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LOL.  Hard to argue with that...unless you mean Bush 41.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:00 | 1026967 1fortheroad
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Atleast Bush made me laugh.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:28 | 1026771 Don Birnam
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Indeed, this is merely "Operation Styrofoam Pillar." There will be no military response; this is Barry's first attempt at rattling the saber. Clumsy attempt at that, for all B. Hussein has managed to accomplish is "bluffing" crude up to $106. 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:38 | 1026855 Mercury
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Clearly a minority view but I don't think Obama will conduct any military actions in Libya.  We don't even know what side he's on and I'm not sure he does either.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:53 | 1026924 drB
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He is on whatever side is giving most campaign contributions.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:26 | 1027059 buzzsaw99
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Or whatever other bribes he will get post facto. +1

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:08 | 1027202 Captain Kink
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He has to be on the side of whoever is controlling the oil, which in the case of Libya is unknown at present.  He should stay out of it, lest he paint himself into a(nother) corner.  We supported the right of the iranian people to demonstrate, but we were tepid when it came to supporting Egyptians at large.  Now, if we support the Libyan people by supporting the right of democratic revolt, we will have to support the Saudi people should they try something similar.  (In fact, our assumed ideological support might be the thing that causes them to go for it.)  Does anyone really think we would be threatening "no fly zone" over Saudi Arabia?  We will print more money and buy the regime we want in each and every case independantly.  Costs us less and less with each toner cartridge.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:58 | 1026958 trav7777
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yeah, but Clitton was the same type of guy.

And he certainly did approve of low-risk carpet bombing like we did to Srbija, so long as we have abundant "NATO" cover for it.

Barry wants "his" war to win to go with his Peace would further cement his "legacy" and all that shit.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:19 | 1027040 Mercury
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Greatest military action we ever conducted since WW II probably.

Short, sweet (it worked), 0-minimal casualties, conducted mostly from a safe distance and the resulting rubble did not in fact subsequently make trouble.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:15 | 1027229 trav7777
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yeah, except for the fact that we were bombing the wrong people

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:09 | 1027378 DaveyJones
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hate when that happens

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:23 | 1026772 Id fight Gandhi
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Becoming a bay of PIIGS.

Stay out! It's not our fight.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:09 | 1027003 Oh regional Indian
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Pig. oil Trough. Good analogy.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:15 | 1026777 Pseudo Anonym
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Operation "Nobel Peace Prize", aka the invasion of Libya

Barack Hussein al-Obamahim should invade his father's barrack in Kenya .... and stay there.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:26 | 1026784 wherewasi
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Dear President Obama,

With all due respect, and, for the Love of God, can we please start drilling now?




Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:26 | 1026791 overmedicatedun...
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US troops cannot go to Libya..they are on standby for quelling riots in US of A..

one pol said it well: Gansta government is what the big Obuma is all about..

not predicting it but sure looks like the elites are trying to start a new civil war in these un-UNited states..anyone else feeling these bad vibes??

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:45 | 1026890 Alex Kintner
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You can see the individual states starting to disintegrate now. The Dominos are starting to fall. On 60 Minutes they covered a town in Rhode Island that started bankruptcy filings. The state took over the town for fear other towns will do likewize.

All this austerity against the commoners will soon lite the fuse. The govt gave away the people's money to the bankers so they would'nt lose their yachts .  Now some one has to pay for it. Yeah bad vibes indeed.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:50 | 1026916 overmedicatedun...
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If one presidential candidate for 2012, came out and said the gov would claw back all tax payer monies given to big banks and financial co's (GE),, and let them fail if they were BK afterwards..would they live to see election day?

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:08 | 1027374 24KGOLD FOIL HAT
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I dont know but I been told...Ron Paul was told to drop out in 2008; or else... :[

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:42 | 1027505 A Nanny Moose
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United is coming Untied.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:31 | 1026805 THE DORK OF CORK
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Where's the Cavour and/or the Garibaldi ? - just the type of operations you would expect these ships to engage in.

Perhaps its all a bit too colonial.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:31 | 1026808 KCMLO
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The move to be so blatant about this announcement is two-fold, at least on the surface.  First is to float for public opinion.  Second, is to make Libyan AF pilots think twice about actually flying their missions.  Of course the MSM doesn't give us any insight but I would be willing to bet there's no US Navy assets sitting between Libya and Malta.  We'll leave that channel open so we don't shoot down defectors.  Of course, the Libyan AF may have no clue where our ships are, look for more ejects into East Libya or their hardware to start showing up in Egypt or Tunisia.  Algeria is probably too unstable to accept them.  How much money does China have tied up in Libya?  They probably don't like the idea of us fucking with their investments but they can't really do anything about it.  When was the last time they held a nice, huge military exercise right next to Taiwan?  I'm guessing that's on the horizon as well.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:32 | 1026814 Stuck on Zero
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When you are holding a hammer everything looks like a nail. 

When you are holding a giant military everything looks like a target of opportunity.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:50 | 1026907 BobPaulson
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Especially when you are going broke with tech heavy assets that depreciate quickly and you doubt your ability to replace them with bankruptcy on the horizon.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:37 | 1026848 boeing747
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Under surface of 'militart option':

Erase one more enemy of Israel.

Prevent muslim extremists taking power if current ruler fails.

Continue to support Dollars.


Oil price goes up, not a bad thing.

a) People need double amount of dollars to buy same amount of oil now.

b) People put more money into real estates to fight inflation.

3) Real economy collapses and money has to flow into real estates.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:38 | 1026849 BobPaulson
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SPR is irrelevant. You can tell it's irrelevant because they keep having to toot that horn as if people care. It's like listening to Reuter's newsreels trying to explain PM prices with the usual David Lereah reverse-speak.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:40 | 1026856 Dr. Porkchop
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Used to be you had to declare war before landing boots on the ground, i guess all that is passe

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:44 | 1026883 glenlloyd
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Yes, there once was a time that was the case, had to follow the Constitution.

I guess it all became irrelevant once you start fighting wars on things like terror.

Congress is the one that has to get on top of the 'going to war without declaring war' problem we have.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:41 | 1027118 sdmjake
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Constitution also says gold & silver is the only money. Shoot, it says a lot of stuff that is apparently immaterial these daze.

Take the red pill...

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:48 | 1026899 overmedicatedun...
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pork, H truman got "police action" in for Korea, since then congress has avoided taking any responsibility for war making, the constitution no longer is considered valid by fed gov and Judiciary it seems.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:50 | 1026911 KCMLO
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Great White Fleet started it all!  We're operating on pure precedent now.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 14:58 | 1026954 ebworthen
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The British SAS needs some air cover.

Europe needs the light sweet crude because Greece and Spain and especially Italy are teetering - they can't afford an oil shock.

I heard a commentator on Nightly Business Report (PBS) last week say that it was Libyan banks and oil money that kept the Italian banks from going belly up in the financial crisis (and probably now as well - this is operation "Rescue the Euro").

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:28 | 1027072 disabledvet
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worked with SAS--BAD asses.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:51 | 1027548 A Nanny Moose
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Perhaps so, but I just can't get the image out of my head, of Bear Gryllis and some of the stupid shit he keeps teaching people on the TeeVee, about "survival"

Maybe it's part of the plan.

/tin off

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:07 | 1026996 trav7777
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yea, we already probably have advanced assets in country, like the USMC force recon guys.

However, to effect a no-fly will require, as stated by Gates, a relatively large bombardment of Libya's AA will require an "attack" of some kind.  This is infeasible with naval air power alone.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:50 | 1027155 THE DORK OF CORK
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If the Italians do the NATO thing for once then Tornados out of Southern Italy will not even need aerial refueling.

Libyas AA assets are piss poor. 

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:10 | 1026998 TeamAmerica
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"Luckily Zero Hedge readers know very well that the USS Enterprise is now peacefully sailing in the Mediterranean"

With all due respect Tyler, you were wrong when you said that last week and you are still wrong.  USS Enterprise is in the northern Red Sea.  If you have proof otherwise by all means post that.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:04 | 1027192 TeamAmerica
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I just love getting junked for posting a straight-up statement of fact.   Prove me wrong or keep your junk to yourself.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:42 | 1027496 Alex Kintner
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Yup. Enterprise - Red Sea en route to the Suez Canal.

 For those who always want to know "Where are the Carriers?"

Look here...


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 18:25 | 1027666 TeamAmerica
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That "enroute" information is a week old.  We need to recognize that ships cannot transit the Suez without notice.   Even if they could do so, a US aircraft carrier has zero chance of passing thru unseen.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:33 | 1027093 disabledvet
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The market is getting slammed which according the Fed Chairman Bernank is "the measure of our entire economic output as going good." (!!!???)  does that make this move into Libya a bad idea?  I say yes since the market is getting clobbered on the news.  Does it make it inevitible "and with scalability"?  I say yes to that as well.  Indeed "if you're collecting a federal benefit at any level" you can be called to serve.  "that's the law" as they say.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 15:38 | 1027104 locinvestor
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Pretty ironic Operation title (IMO).

It doesn't matter if there's no "Official Triggering Point" to then justify (whatever that means) invading. So much is being spun and so many people aren't paying attention, would anybody do anything if Obama does invade? Would anybody say or do anything?

My predicition? No. Is it because they believe everything that Obama says? Is it because they believe that we're "entitled" to the oil (just because of who we are)? Is it because it's way over THERE. So who the hell cares? I don't know.

Mabye that uncertainity is the worst part in this.


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 16:09 | 1027205 PulauHantu29
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Yes, the Pol Pot Committee is still upset they were passed over for the Peace Prize.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 17:49 | 1027542 carbonmutant
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The problem for Libya's revolutionaries trying to get dithering powers to impose a no-fly zone is that not enough civilians have been killed yet – especially photogenic children. What the Libyans need is a North African Srebrenica, preferably web-cammed live.

The problem for the collective West is that it can't be sure yet that the revolutionaries will win. Gaddafi still has the organisation and weaponry to be lethal and you wouldn't want to be an oil importer backing the wrong horse. Or not backing the right despot. And what uncomfortable message might intervention send to the despots the West dare not annoy, the Saudi royal family?


Mon, 03/07/2011 - 18:13 | 1027623 inca
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The Kingdom Of Libya -
Mercenaries at an airport in Libya

noubiyeh: "We will not let our sovereignty be violated by any foreign government." ~ #Libyan opposition official.

Mon, 03/07/2011 - 20:27 | 1027989 lsjcma
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Mon, 03/07/2011 - 22:45 | 1028377 Elmer T Pudd
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That B A B ;  Kali,  is gonna come down and screw everything up


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Tue, 03/08/2011 - 00:54 | 1028736 PulauHantu29
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USA and NATO have so much money to throw about nowadays....I mean, who will finance this suicide mission? ALL Western powers are Broke and this would guarantee imminent collapse of not only the finacial system, but our society I fear.

Does anyone really think we woudl seriously butt heads with China? First of all, why "bring it on?" Rumsfield is no longer here to War Monger. Plus, look our track record in two  countries (Iraq and Afghanistan) that Bush thought were a notch above cave men. The several hundred thousand soldiers we still have on the ground there prove Bush was wrong. Have we won those wars yet?

I say let Libya and those other ME countries deal with thier internal struggles.

BTW, in case you have not read:


China Sends Military to Libya


“FOR a fast rising power, China remains unusually shy about military deployment beyond its shores. But its decision to dispatch four military transport aircraft to Libya and a guided-missile frigate to waters nearby suggests that it might be rethinking its posture. The Ilyushin-76 aircraft took off from the far western region of Xinjiang on February 28th bound for the Libyan city of Sabha. The ship, Xuzhou, which had been engaged in anti-piracy duties in the Gulf of Aden, set sail for the north African coast on February 24th.”



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