White House Provides Update On Operation "Nobel Peace Prize" - "Use Of Ground Troops Not At Top Of List"

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Earlier, we reported that Obama mentioned that NATO is currently evaluating military options against Libya. Now, White House spokesman Carney adds some additional color on what Operation "Nobel Peace Prize", aka the invasion of Libya, will look like. From Reuters: "White House says no option removed from table on Libya response but use of ground troops not at top of list."Does that mean air force intervention is at the top? Luckily Zero Hedge readers know very well that the USS Enterprise is now peacefully sailing in the Mediterranean, awaiting for its moment in the sun. And on the use of the SPR: "White House says no specific price point would trigger the use of oil reserve; the issue is oil supply disruption." But what supply disruption: wasn't the spin up to now that Libya is largely irrelevant for the US from a supply perspective?


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DOT's picture

From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of............?

CPL's picture

...Florida obviously.


China won't let anyone go jumping around one of their large investment in MENA.  Anyone does, gets one million troops on the ground in their country the next day.

BobPaulson's picture

China doesn't do invasions man. Read Sun Tzu.

trav7777's picture

2 things:  fuck Sun Tzu.  A bunch of horseshit written by a guy who knew nothing about war.  How many wars has China successfully prosecuted in its HISTORY?  All this gaga reverence of eastern bullshit has got to stop.  You want to know war, read Rommel or Patton or any of the soviet generals on the Eastern Front.

2nd thing, China COULDN'T invade ANYONE.  They lack the naval capability to mount an amphibious invasion of Hong Kong, much less anywhere else in the world.  The sealift capability to move 1M men is so far from trivial that anyone who suggests China could do such a thing is a retard.

BobPaulson's picture

I don't agree on the Sun Tzu comments - what applies today is that most of war is not on the battlefield but is posturing.

As for China and invading anybody, agreed, the only place they could entertain an attack on would be touching them: Korea, Tibet, Vietnam.

disabledvet's picture

u mean during the time of GENERAL Sun Tzu?  China didn't just "invade everybody" then--they never lost.  That includes GENERAL Sun Tzu.  Insofar as "naval assets" they're "working on that."  It's a long way to the Med however--and who needs a Navy when you "have Italy" so to speak?  I must say "Obama as the Dark Prince" is surprising to me--not so much as him being it but "his style" which is strikingly and openly imperious.  I like it!

asdasmos's picture

Realty Mogul, Sam Zell, Talks Inflation - says we're not seeing inflation because the CPI is distorted. (Mar. 3 2011)



Michael's picture

James Bond agents trying to take control of Libya impotent against Libyan rebels.

Libyan rebels will need to turn their guns on a new target, the Americans getting ready to invade their country to steal their oil.  Mother of a soldier said on Alex Jones her son got orders to be deployed to Libya.

SAS-Sacked Libyan Diplomatic Mission Ends in Humiliation

"A British diplomatic effort to reach out to Libyan rebels has ended in humiliation as a team of British special forces and intelligence agents left Benghazi after being briefly detained.

The six SAS troops and two MI6 officers were seized by Libyan rebels in the eastern part of the country after arriving by helicopter four days ago. They left on HMS Cumberland, the frigate that had docked in Benghazi to evacuate British and other EU nationals as Libya lurched deeper into conflict. The diplomatic team's departure marked a perfunctory end to a bizarre and botched venture.

"I can confirm that a small British diplomatic team has been in Benghazi," said William Hague, the foreign secretary. "The team went to Libya to initiate contacts with the opposition. They experienced difficulties, which have now been satisfactorily resolved. They have now left Libya.""


trav7777's picture

there was NO CHINA in that period; there were only warring dynasties.

Get your history straight, as well as the facts.  It's not even clear if there really was a Sun Tzu in the first place.

China's military history is mediocre.  You want war philosophy, study Ghengis Khan.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Bingo! He worked wonders in present day Afghanistan

CPL's picture

Yup, primary reason why China is what it is today. What creeps out most people is Ghengis controlled pretty much everything to half way through europe.  In local dialects we get the terms orc, goblin and ogre from them.  Living on horses, with incredible compound bow technology and masters of improvization and guerilla tactics, Europe, China, India and the Middle East got their respective asses handed to them.

From what I understand Sun Tzu and Jesus have a lot in common, namely a weird mismash of philosophies that were either aped or created by other philisophers.

sun tzu's picture

Rommel got his butt kicked in Africa. What the hell did he do other than overextend his army which led to a horrible defeat at el Alamein? He took over a bunch of desert wasteland.

Patton "won" after the greatly outnumbered German army had already been thoroughly defeated in the east and were greatly outnumbered, undersupplied and had no airforce to defend their ground forces from allied fighter-bombers.

The Soviet Generals won because they outnumbered the Germans. The Germans lost because they took on the USA, USSR and UK at the same time. It would have been hard for the allies to lose. The Soviets lost 4 men for every German casualty. Great generals indeed.


Get your fact straight before spouting your bullshit

BobPaulson's picture

Rommel had a good string of victories before el Alamein.

SilverRhino's picture

>> China won't let anyone go jumping around one of their large investment in MENA.  Anyone does, gets one million troops on the ground in their country the next day.

Are you joking?  China is not in the power projection business in any way, shape or form.   They have some nukes and a shitload of infantry on the other side of the supercontinent.    All the Chinese (700K) in the Sudan / rest of Africa?   Light infantry at best.

sun tzu's picture

China does have a proxy that can cause the USA many problems. North Korea. 


they also have the nuclear option in US debt. 

Maiden Lane's picture

We have to spread Hope & Change, right?

snowball777's picture

Translation: Use of ground troops definitely on list

living on the edge's picture

Correction, ground troops have boots on the ground in Libya already. What an incompetent moron we have for a president.

BobPaulson's picture

They mean more than just special forces. 

TeamAmerica's picture

I'll bet that incompetent moron knows a lot more about what assets we have and where they are than you do.

sun tzu's picture

I guess that means he has a high IQ because someone gives him a report telling him where our troops are located.

duo's picture

Hussein al-Kenya Obama didn't rule out the use of Xe mercenaries.

Pegasus Muse's picture

Maybe some of his clansmen from the Luo tribe are up for the job. 


kaydafee hires his mercs. o'bummer, his cousins. 

But no counting family in your Jobs Program total, BHO.  They gotta be 'mericans working in america to count.   

yipcarl's picture

Yea let's spend more money we don't have and make people hate us more.  I hate our policies.  We deserve to get smacked in the mouth. It's all about the money.  The Goldman Whores want Gaddafi's money.  Give me a F-ing break.  This is all created by the bankers.  The same people responsible for everything.  

equity_momo's picture

When do we get to see Saudi's real output numbers ? Are they going to pull a BLS and fudge them to save face? Oil could fly to 170 and theyre still going to say they have excess capacity or are indeed already producing 10mbpd. Their reserves are not independently audited - are their production figures?

BobPaulson's picture

Good point. It's a complete black box.

Newsboy's picture

The choice here is for the US to let gaddafi go, as he is trying to negotiate, concurrent with his last ditch offensive, or to make him stay, make the blood flow, and use it as an excuse to move in with the military. We shall soon see. I vote to let the bastard and his family take some gold and fly to Belarus:


Millivanilli's picture

Hehehe!  Good one.  By the way,  I enjoy your work.

FunkyMonkeyBoy's picture

Can someone please answer me this:

What exactly has Libya done to warrent all this recent 'war' talk? What have they done recently that they haven't been doing for decades? What have they done that other tyrannical ran countries, such as Zimbabwe (who never had military intervention from the international heros), haven't done?

As far as i'm aware, the last i heard we were all buddies with Gaddafi and Libya, it was only yesterday that Tony Blair was sucking Gaddafi off with a big grin on his face and we were trading alledged Lockerbie bombers for commercial incentives?

Well, what's changed in the past month? Us free thinking, critical thinking human beings would like to know!

IrishSamurai's picture

You've never seen a magician, have you ...

Watch the other hand, my boy, to understand the trick.  Watch the other hand ...

Libya is a distraction (and a convenient excuse) from the economic meltdown that is about to take place.

Arch Duke Ferdinand's picture

""Libya is a distraction (and a convenient excuse) from the economic meltdown that is about to take place""

...Absolutely Correct Sir....

w/ Rising Oil/Food/Population...makes Canada's four Western Provinces...with a plethora of natural resources and only 12.5 million citizens, led by gateway city, Vancouver BC...

""Based on a combination of environment, health care, culture and infrastructure, Vancouver topped the list of the world's most liveable cities for the fifth straight year, according to a new report



depression's picture

Geithner emptying the SPR is a good first mitigation step. Threatening to Invade Libya will let the air out of this speculative commodity bubble and bring price back to normal because everyone is  understands the instability in MENA is causing all these high prices.

disabledvet's picture

"the other hand" is SA.  "The Prize."  Insofar as "about to take place" meltdown--where were you in 2008?

IrishSamurai's picture

2008 was the opening act ... get drunk now cause the main act is going to be killer ...

equity_momo's picture

If Zim was sat on even as little as 1% of global oil production you'd have your answer.  At some point we'd risk NKorean nukes if they were swimming in the stuff too.

IrishSamurai's picture

Blood for Oil!!!!!!!1111!!!!eleventy!

Get back on the FAIL bus ... Libya is 1% of world production ... and .006% of U.S. production ...

This is a convenient distraction (and excuse) for Benny and Inkjets to claim "no one could have seen this coming" when the deflationary death denouement commences this summer ...



cougar_w's picture

Von Bernankstein is even now warming up his pitching arm for QE3.

Gotta wonder how the Chinese will answer to this one.

equity_momo's picture

Yes right , NATO fluffing around in Libya , a country most americans cant spell or place on the map , is going to provide the distraction for the sheep so as not to notice their economy has been ground into the dirt by Bernanke and the boys. ....  

1) Americans with a brain already know this

2) Those without a brain do not need expensive military engagements as distractions. The rectangle in the corner spewing out reality shows does that very efficiently.


Follow the oil , every single barrel.

IrishSamurai's picture

This isn't about the oil ... it is about the house of Saud.

Now if by extension you suggest that this is about the house of Saud oil ... on that I might cede your point.

But this has nothing to do with securing the Libyan oil for U.S. purposes ... none.

trav7777's picture

agree and have said so over the past few years when the topic has arisen.

The House of Saud is the strategic lynchpin in the petrodollar and the reason we escaped the USSR's fate when our oil production peaked in 1970 (theirs hit in the very late 80s; they were gone within a couple of years).

If one can remember the early 70s, the US went from unstoppable, from muscle cars and kicking ass, to a malaise where we began to laugh at "made in the USA."  Inflation was rampant, the economy was crashing.  Raygun's strategic moves with the Sauds allowed their production to stand in for ours.  This era was the real genesis of neo-con power, as their strategy was the one that was employed and it did work.

Libya is as good a NA nation as any to deposit troops to "settle things down."

DaveyJones's picture

Good stuff. The house of saud IS the petrodollar. Now how do we keep millions of hungry, jobless pissed off young men irrelevant? Oh yeah, lots of weapons. Maybe

Oh regional Indian's picture


What had Iraqi's done? Or Afghanis? or Somalians (back when blackhawks were going down)? 

It's all a script, the dealer collecting all the cards off the table, odds were always in his favour, a couple of lucky marks got rich and everyone else is already thinking, will I catch the next big wave? No waves now suckers, only tsooooo nammys!

No cause wars are now the norm.

hey, you got the Himalayas. God made unfair mountain distribution.

In the name of the unjust god, I'm going to blow you apart so i can put a flag on the Himalayas. Of infinite appetite and gigantic ass, I want it all. Scarf scarf....all mine....snort snort...



Alex Kintner's picture

I have to chuckle when Obama says that Gaddafi has to go because he no longer has confidence of the Libyan people.

I wonder what Obama would do if 'Merican revolutionaries seized Detriot? Would Obama step down or roll the tanks against Motown.

The SOB is just be a continuation of the Bush Kleptocracy.


MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

Please pass the popcorn...