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White House Stands Behind Geithner, Says Tim Was Not Involved In AIG Email Fiasco

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It appears Geithner will not be fired after all (for now). From Bloomberg:

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner “was not involved” in decisions by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York when it told American International Group Inc. to withhold details from the public about the bailed-out insurer’s payments to banks in 2008, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Geithner, who was head of the New York Fed at the time, “wasn’t party to the decision,” Gibbs said at a White House briefing. Asked if President Barack Obama continues to have confidence in Geithner, Gibbs said, “Of course.”

Republicans and Democrats have called for Geithner to testify about the New York Fed’s effort to limit disclosures by AIG during the height of the financial crisis. Geithner was recused from working on issues involving specific companies at the time because he had been named by Obama as his choice for Treasury secretary, a spokeswoman said yesterday.


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Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:24 | 187154 fuu
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So if the head of the NY Fed was not involved with this at all who was? And is not the head of an organization ultimately responsible for what goes on?


Nice to know that no one is ever responsible for their actions.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:37 | 187188 i.knoknot
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methinks they protest too loudly... i don't think this one is over.

then consider that yesterday Mr. Obama took full personal responsibility for a single bomb carrying passenger, out of millions of travelers per day... oh yeah, this enabled his fix, which is to x-ray us (and our wives). amazing how many 'full-body scanners are conveniently available in the wings to suddenly be deployed in all of these airports... like they didn't see this coming months ago.

"scare them then herd them"

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:40 | 187205 Mad Max
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+1000 on both counts.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:52 | 187226 Careless Whisper
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I think the exact quote from the WH spokesman was:

"Secretary Geithner was not involved in any of these emails," Gibbs said.

Typical non-denial denial.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:22 | 187302 DaveyJones
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Fri, 01/08/2010 - 21:12 | 187847 Rainman
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funeee....plausible denial is always passive or aggressive. Never both.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:46 | 187473 MikeNYC
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"SECRETARY Geithner" was not involved.

As opposed to "then NY Fed chief Geithner," who was involved, deeply.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:15 | 187659 Anonymous
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this is excellent - you interpret newspeak

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 19:42 | 187766 Astute Investor
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It comes down to what is the definition of "involved"....

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 23:58 | 188028 Heavy
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I thought the idea was that a treasury secretary could allow faked reporting under the law for security reasons, but a (private industry?) Fed. head, can not?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:10 | 187389 BorisTheBlade
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then consider that yesterday Mr. Obama took full personal responsibility for a single bomb carrying passenger, out of millions of travelers per day... oh yeah, this enabled his fix, which is to x-ray us (and our wives). amazing how many 'full-body scanners are conveniently available in the wings to suddenly be deployed in all of these airports... like they didn't see this coming months ago.

that can be even more bizzare than you might think:

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:21 | 187300 TheGoodDoctor
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That's quality leadership. I mean no wonder he is the Treasury Secretary!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:33 | 187323 John Self
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Fortunately, the administration hasn't gotten around to hiring any Geithner underlings at Treasury -- so this time around, there's no one else for him not to be responsible for. 

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:52 | 187358 TraderMark
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So if not Tim who has the authority to give away tens of billions of taxpayer money.

Let me guess it was Chuck in accounting.

Or Stewart in legal.


Yep that's the ticket.

It can only be Hank or Ben and since Hank is "independent" of the Fed and of course RECUSED from any dealings with Goldman it must be Time's Man of the Year.


No wait, it was Chuck.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:06 | 187383 Anonymous
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Obama said "the buck stops here"

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:24 | 187155 naiverealist
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Yeah, Right!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:26 | 187160 docj
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More comedy gold from Gibbsy.

Seriously though, which is worse?  That he "was a party" to this cover-up (in which case they're lying their asses off - another day another whopper of a lie, and all that)?  Or that he wasn't and were therefore oblivious to what was going on under his nose?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:56 | 187238 Assetman
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If the buck doesn't stop with Geithner at the NY Fed when he was, supposedly, in charge... why should the buck stop with him at the Treasury?


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:14 | 187273 Sancho Ponzi
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By definition, the buck starts at the Treasury;)

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:15 | 187284 Assetman
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Not in the electronic world... digits are created by the Fed out of nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide... and traces of many other elements. 

Some call that "thin air".

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:40 | 187339 Goldtoothchimp09
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So Treasury discovered the "God Particle" before CERN?!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:33 | 187445 Ned Zeppelin
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+1 now where is that darn Higgs particle (had it here a nanosecond ago)

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 22:34 | 187930 hidingfromhelis
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Aha!  Now I get it; the Large Hadron Collider is actually the mother of all printing presses!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:28 | 187163 john_connor
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The O team and associated members are always right and are immune from anything.

Who cares anyway?  This whole thing is a sideshow.  The #1 biggest joke right now is Fannie and Freddie. 

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:28 | 187165 trav7777
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So the emails from were not from him?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:14 | 187404 Anonymous
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that's is actually
tonya geither who is often confused with all the time....common mistake
and she should be fired and prosecuted before
the weekend is out....sentencing will occur
monday and the whole forgotten about by tuesday...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:30 | 187172 Gimp
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Hope, Change ,transparency ..code words for the same old B.S you can believe in.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:32 | 187174 waterdog
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Who belongs to the handwriting on the documents provided by Darrell Issa in yesterday's post on this subject?



Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:15 | 187287 Anonymous
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Compare writing to his signature on currency. More samples can be found on-line.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:32 | 187318 Optimystic
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Right.  There can not be that many people with that authority.  So, who is it?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:40 | 187342 Optimystic
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A whistle blower inside the Fed (or maybe PwC).........tell us who made those edits.  Any brave souls out there?

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 15:59 | 188598 Anonymous
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Geithner was not involved. It was Bernake. Just as Bernake threathened Mr. Lewis of BofA to buy Merriel. In that deal Bernake insisted on leaving the spaces blank to in the contract to be filled in later.

What most people don't get is that it was really Merril buyinging BofA. It's obvious by how much they overpaid. Where every other deal was pennies on the dollar: Investment bank gobbles commerical bank. But the one deal that bucks the trend, is the Merrill/ BofA deal.

All in all, makes the Club of Rome theory look very realistic. The fact that a number of Investment banks came out on top at the expense of commercial banks and a couple investment banks that were non club memebers?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:32 | 187176 Oso
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either he was involved, or he is a fucking moron and should never have been appointed HEAD OF THE NY FED.


fuck this, fuck the government, FUCK GEITHNER

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:15 | 187285 Steak
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My sentiments exactly...when this (journalistic) smoking gun can be waved off, i mean it was in the guy's handwriting for cripes sake...then its clear our government and elected officials are working against us, not for us

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:35 | 187328 Missing_Link
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Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:36 | 187330 John Self
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You could work that line nicely into the end of Ministry's Stigmata.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:06 | 187384 Anonymous
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We weren't corrupt; We were incompetent! Much better.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:33 | 187178 chumbawamba
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Get a rope.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:11 | 187260 Miles Kendig
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Use an extension cord....  At least we would find out what kind of soprano he really is and how he dances first.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:05 | 187261 Steak
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Lets just forget that we're in a keptocracy for a day and vibe to some K' does that sound?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:33 | 187180 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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The Administration has waved its magic fairy wand people, so this must be so.


Move along. Bibbity Bobbity Boo.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:42 | 187207 Anonymous
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These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:32 | 187321 DaveyJones
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wow...what an analogy. I mean Luke, WAS in love with his sister, and this whole thing is nothing more than an incestuous mess...

when does the death star explode? 

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:33 | 187181 lsbumblebee
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This would fall under #9 and #13 in the 14 points of Fascism.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:40 | 187204 Mad Max
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Gibbs is less credible than Baghdad Bob these days.

Clearly our republic needs, and is getting, more bananas.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:41 | 187206 Internet Tough Guy
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He's an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:37 | 187334 John Self
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+ 1!

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 00:12 | 188043 Hidetora
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Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:45 | 187214 Anonymous
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The question then is "who was behind the email" and was he an underling and therefore reporting to Timmy boy??

Since when is it the case these "management types" are not responsible for the activites of their underlings.

Whether Timmy was involved, his agency was and certianly the person that did this was acting on someone's orders and directives.

I want an ivestigation on the Fed and the AIG mess.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:49 | 187354 The Rock
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I want an investigation on the Fed and the AIG mess.

Move along, 'cause you're not going to get it.  Sweep it under the rug with all the other "non-investigations" (e.g. 9/11, Iraqi tortures, Israel's shenanigans)...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 20:13 | 187792 Hephasteus
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Seems like those got investigated pretty thoroughly. Just nothing happened.... Yet.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:50 | 187218 faustian bargain
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My question is, why isn't the O-Team ready to throw him under the bus? I figured he would be ripe for it by now. Obviously they seem to think there's more political value in keeping him than in ditching him...but why?


**edit: could it be they know there's more bad news coming, for which they are saving him as the scapegoat?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:54 | 187229 Anonymous
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because the more the dumb shits complain for replacement, the more Jamie Dimon is licking his chops.

The banking mafia secret number 1, make them beg for you.

Create the itch and the stupid shits will pay you to scratch it with your financial herpes.

Wake the fuck up America, preferably violent to make a point that being nice is ignored.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:02 | 187256 waterdog
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They want him to resign. Firing him says I made a mistake.


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:25 | 187307 Apocalypse Now
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Exactly right, that's politics.

It would read, despite Obama's request that Tim Geitner stay... Tim Geitner has decided to move on to new opportunities...(probably at Goldman Sachs).

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:33 | 187688 Anonymous
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Saw a quick interview on Bloomberg after the market close this afternoon with Christina Romer. She was asked about whether Geithner was going to get fired, and dodged the question. At one point, she said, weakly, that Geithner was doing a great job as Treas. secretary, but nothing in terms of a strong "Tim's our man." It spoke volumes. I think his days are numbered.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:50 | 187220 Anonymous
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Fuck Timmy and anyone whom stands behind that crook.

I will see him in hell.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:36 | 187453 Mad Max
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So you're going straight to the ninth circle, eh?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:53 | 187227 Anonymous
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exigent circumstances via Paulson

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:54 | 187228 Lexington Duffet
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If Geithner actually wanted actions kept dark, that is troublesome.  On the other hand, the job needs someone with sufficient expertise and brains.  Not many folk qualified for the job.   For thse who believe no rules should apply, I suggest that if this were so then your life would be nasty, brutish and short.  In an effort to water down the astroturfing from RW attack dogs, Prez Bush appointed Geithner to head the NY Fed. (Maybe that is not a good endorsement come to think of it....) 

"[Geithner]  was Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs (1998–2001) under Treasury Secretaries Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.[5] Summers was his mentor,[10][11] but other sources call him a Rubin protégé.[11][12][13]

Treasury Secretary designee Geithner meets Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus on November 25, 2008

In 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.[14] He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003) at the International Monetary Fund.[5]

In October 2003 at age 42,[15] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.[16] His salary in 2007 was $398,200.[17] Once at the New York Fed, he became Vice Chairman of the Federal Open Market Committee component. In 2006, he also became a member of the Washington-based financial advisory body, the Group of Thirty.[18] In May 2007 he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank.[15] In November he rejected Sanford Weill's offer to take over as Citigroup's chief executive.[15]

In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns.;[10][19] In the same year, he played a supporting role to Hank Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy. According to some observers, Geithner severely damaged the U.S. economy.[20] As a Treasury official, he helped manage multiple international crises of the 1990s[12] in Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia, South Korea, and Thailand.[13]

Geithner believes along with Henry Paulson, that the United States Department of the Treasury needs new authority to experiment with responses to the financial crisis of 2007–2009.[10] Paulson has described Geithner as "[a] very unusually talented young man...[who] understands government and understands markets."[19]


Dumb deals or no, bad judgment or not, Geithner's still probably the best the Fed's got. 

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:56 | 187236 Anonymous
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End the Federal Reserve Mafia. END - IT - NOW.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:02 | 187257 Miles Kendig
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Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:59 | 187505 DaveyJones
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The best they got...feel the same way about the guy heading N korea

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:14 | 187283 Internet Tough Guy
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How can you be so high and still type?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:15 | 187286 waterdog
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And in 2007 he filed a fraudulent federal tax return.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:18 | 187295 Sancho Ponzi
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'Geithner a Gigantic Fool'

For your reading pleasure...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:55 | 187231 pros
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Maybe the NY Fed Chairman, Stephen Friedman(former GS CEO), who made a killing trading the GS stock during this period, was running the fraud/coverup/inside trading scheme---he's pretty smart.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:55 | 187232 Anonymous
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Bad move on Obama's part to say "Looks like Bush's shit, smells like Bush's shit, feels like Bush's shit ... think I'll have it for lunch anyway ...".

He's not that stupid ... so there are deeper (scarier?) reasons to keep Timmy whole to do more (bigger) evil deeds ... that's the only reason that makes sense ...

Fold that into the complete stonewalling by the Fed to disclose recepients of bailout funds ...

There is a very deep conspiracy here against the American public here, Watson ... and its bipartisan.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 19:02 | 187719 Shortbus Bully
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Don't forget he is gobbling down Clinton's shit too...with a side of dick, I think also.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:56 | 187239 Anonymous
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January 8, 2010: Compliments of The Huffington Post...Timothy Geithner, I Call Your Bluff
by Janet Tavakoli, President, Tavakoli Structured Finance, Inc.

The Treasury responded to reports that the New York Fed asked AIG to suppress and delay facts about the bailout. Meg Reilly, a Treasury spokesperson claimed: "In the transaction at the heart of this dispute...the FRBNY [Federal Reserve Bank of New York] made a loan of $25 billion which is on track to be paid back in full with interest." She claims the loan is currently "above water."

In the first place, that loan is not the heart of the dispute. Nonetheless, the FRBNY should immediately release the details of all of the Maiden Lane III assets backing that loan and show the current prices BlackRock has placed on them. Based on the current market, it is extremely likely that the loan is underwater.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:57 | 187244 Anonymous
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What could have been more important to Timmy than dealing with the AIG bailout mess during those famous days in fall? Did he have a dentist appointment or something? How can he not be involved? This statement is so obviously a misrepresenation of fact that Gibbs should be interviewed alongside Geithner!

I give up.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 14:58 | 187247 Anonymous
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You guys dont get it. AIG needed the taxpayor trillions because they are geniuses from harvard collegium. The "talent" needs to be compensated for losing trillions. You dont go to harvard at 70k/year and not get rewarded for your "talent". I recall one class at Harvard collegium, "how to steal 10 billion from the taxpayor 301. Try as we might, ol' Barney Frank always scored highest. It was like he had a special relationship with the proctor.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:00 | 187253 Miles Kendig
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Just because someone is in charge does not mean they are responsible...  This according to government sources speaking on background as the Obama administration continues the Bush administrations policies that no individual in the Senior Executive Service of the United States of America is responsible for anything.  This is an extension of how organizations make determinations when it is uncomfortable to contemplate the reality of individual responsibility. Geithner is a multi-house bitch and much can be determined by how the house chooses to cover for him.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:01 | 187255 Stuart
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I call BS!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:00 | 187259 pros
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Maybe the NY Fed Chairman, Stephen Friedman(former GS CEO), who made a killing trading the GS stock during this period, was running the fraud/coverup/inside trading scheme---he's pretty smart.


The Argentine bond scam was similar to the AIG-NYFed-GS swindle in that there was a mysterious "bond swap" just before Argentina collapsed and defaulted whereby a small group of bondholders got out one ever identified these holders.....Geithner was brought in to do the whitewash report which did not mention the preferential transfer.

Geithner has always done their dirty work..he's not very smart or particularly well-educated, so that was his route to the top.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:39 | 187462 ayanni
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this story is not going away.  keep after it ZH.  Thanks.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 20:19 | 188794 ToNYC
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The better the speech, the better the story; that's why they called it "forked tongue".

Just turn the volume down when the words start and you'll see the truth in what they do.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:06 | 187264 Anonymous
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Can anybody spell RICO? Where the hell are the indictments? I am working on several Rico legal briefs and, believe me, all of the RICO standards do indeed apply. I guess I'll continue to prepare brief(s) alone and do the DOJ's job for them.
This whole fucking financial system is one giant Ponzi scheme.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:07 | 187268 Anonymous
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I wonder if the emails that Timmy was involve with was sent to INTERPOL...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:45 | 187472 Anonymous
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Long ago. That's why Interpol is here now, and why they now have diplomatic immunity.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 20:21 | 188795 ToNYC
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INTERPOL is an arm of the NYPD since what?!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:11 | 187275 Steak
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Barney Frank is saying now that going after Geithner is a Republican political ploy and that the real blame for all this should be at the feet of Paulson.  This is not a jab at Frank, merely a telling indication of how the Democratic party sees this issue.  They are wildly misreading the situation here and getting into the whole "enemies" parinoia.

Dems believe they can blame their way out of this mess, and that their poll numbers are lagging because Republicans are winning the blame game.  That will be where the Dems choose to wage battle in 2010, and it will be a horrible mistake for them. 

Geithner is a horrible person and this is not a political statement.  Its just sad that through Geithner we can see all that cliched finger pointing and blaming that the big O railed against is back in full force.  Unless Dems realize that banksters and fraud are the real enemies here we'll be facing 3 years of political paralysis until the hopesters are kicked out just like the last batch of bums.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:25 | 187306 Assetman
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Good points.

Barney Frank has no room playing the blame game.  The hypocricy there is pretty thick. 

The mere fact that Geithner was complicit to whatever Paulson (a horrible person in his own right) was trying to push, is reprehensible.  Geithner must be made accountable for the coverup the NY Fed was trying to pull.  Otherwise, voters will hold the party in power accountable-- whether one like it or not.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:32 | 187440 Anonymous
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This is NOT about Left vs. Right!
That is a ploy, and a farce.

This is ALL about International Plutocracy vs.
Everyone who does not have access (Big Money = Power).

The Fed WANTS bubbles.

Government WANTS crises.

There is more than enough evidence, if the powers-that-
be want the nonsense to stop. But they don't.
They are all in bed together, with the
exception of a few (such as Ron Paul, and Grayson).
The honest, well-meaning minority are marginalized as
"quacks" and "conspiracy theorists".

We've got enough data points.
Nothing's going to change by gathering each day's BS
and chattering back and forth.
It's GO time.
So, who's going to lead?
When do we organize, and how?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:16 | 187291 bugs_
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When this White House announces that
"they stand behind you" its time to
get your affairs in order.  Timmy is
having a bad afternoon today.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:20 | 187296 Anonymous
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Agreed. In the 'parlance' it means he's gone.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:50 | 187485 Anonymous
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Back in the good old days of English soccer clubs, the board voting complete confidence in the manager became a running joke.

If things follow the Napolitano trajectory then this may become relevant:

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:20 | 187298 defender
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Wait a minute, when did the AIG bailout happen?  Durring the election right?  So that means that they pulled Timmy G out of sensitive issues before O-BAM-a was even elected? does that work?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:44 | 187349 bugs_
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Timmay was on the job at the NY FED - very busy couldn't file taxes etc.


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:22 | 187303 Anonymous
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yeah and bill clinton did not have sex with that woman, monica lewinsky....although in all fairness that plot against him was developed by the cia....nor did he inhale...

tim geithner on the other hand is guilty as sin and i would love to see his head roll down pennsylvania avenue into the sewer from which it sprang in the first place...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:29 | 187312 Anonymous
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"White House Stands Behind Geithner"

Rule Number 1: Never let anyone stand behind you. Hell, even my dog knows that.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 20:44 | 187811 Anonymous
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when the white house stands behind someone it
is to better position someone for a backstab
and a session of pig squealing.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 20:24 | 188796 ToNYC
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How far behind him?...looks like there's room for a patsy or two. One to crouch down  behind his knees and the other to push backwards.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:33 | 187324 robnume
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Can anyone spell RICO? I am a paralegal (freelance) and I am working alone on several briefs to see if the standards of 18 USC Chapter 96 (legal standards to meet RICO). Thus far, I am able to predict that, although only 3/4 finished with 1st brief, RICO legal standards will indeed apply. The entire US economic system is one giant Ponzi scheme. So-called government officials are deeply involved in Racketeering and Organized Crime. Guess I gotta do the DOJ's job for them. Somebody has to. I want indictments galore on Geithner, Paulson,et al.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:34 | 187326 Anonymous
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I believe G. might quit over the weekend. It's quite typical for someone to receive support before quitting saying he did nothing wrong but is quitting to avoid having the adm. distracted by his unjustified problems. A bit later the guy in question is a member of some well-paying boards.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:48 | 187478 Anonymous
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Are all those FRNs with his autograph going to be worth more after he retires? The market (DXY) does not think so.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:37 | 187332 Goldtoothchimp09
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"White House says Tim was not involved in AIG email fiasco"

YOU LIE!!!!!!

(apologies to Joe Wilson for stealing his material)


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:59 | 187371 GS is short Gold
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yeah, Timmy wasn't involved. And Madoff's wife and kids had no idea of his ponzi scheme. And Tiger was faithful to his wife and OJ didn't kill Nicole.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 15:59 | 187372 glenlloyd
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100% this is not over, there's too much of a cloud over this issue and they will eventually throw him under the bus.

Did I mention that I think Gibbs is a doofus? Oh well, now you know.

The responses don't make sense logically, you aren't the head of the NY Fed and NOT have intimate knowledge of what's going on with the meltdown of the biggest insurer in the US, it's just not a logical conclusion IMO.


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 17:13 | 187543 Anonymous
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although it is imperative that tax crook geithner
be fired it is possible that a covert group in the
nyfed used him for their purposes....

i have been reading some very interesting accounts
of how kennedy lost control of the government
during his administration which was taken over by
the cia and military industrial complex....for
example cables were forged and other acts of
omission and commision contradicted official
policy....henry cabot lodge got himself installed
as ambassador to viet nam and began taking orders
from henry luce on how to conduct policy there....

so the point is that geithner could be a patsy
who has been used by a stealth cabal to commit
the crimes in question....he is grossly incompetent
and a failure wherever he has gone but he is a
useful fool to some....

the problem with geithner is that he scrawled out
damning information on various memos so we know
that he is not innocent by any stretch but you
must understand that politics is not nearly
what it seems to be. the real government is not
the visible government...(fed included)

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 17:52 | 187611 swmnguy
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Hmm.  Is Dodd the SecTreas in waiting?  He's not anybody specific's protege; he's an equal-opportunity sock puppet.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:08 | 187388 Gimp
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We all laughed when Bagdad Bob gave his press conferences before the Irag invasion, now we have our own we are beginning ti understand how the average Iraq felt. Another sad day in the USSR.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:09 | 187393 Oso
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WTF HAPPENED TO ALL OF YOU?!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? 

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:36 | 187451 Ripped Chunk
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A few more months of lying about unemployment, dollar collapse, pretend and extend.............  Outrage is brewing. It takes some loud thuds to awaken the lethargic US Citizen these days.

April 15 tax collections WILL DISAPPOINT!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:12 | 187398 Paul Bogdanich
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So if whomever did this did it without authority when do they get booked into jail?  They won't because they acted under the authority of the Treasuryy Secretary (presumably) which means that there had to be a Presidential finding that this was appropriate.  Which President signed it and did the President elect concur?  Formally.  No way Bush signed that after the election without a concurance from the President elect.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:21 | 187406 pros
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Everybody knows that Geithner and Summers have been Bob Rubin's thugs since the early 1990's.

They helped Rubin and his GS buddies rob foreign counties like Mexico, Thailand, Korea and Argentina, then they even nailed Harvard and yes...they finally got control of the Fed and Treasury and quickly picked the USA clean to the point where solvency of the USA is subject to serious debate!

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:31 | 187436 carbonmutant
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We know geitner is not responsible. He has a history of a lack of responsibility. But as long as this administration controls what the MSM reports this kind of crap will go on.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 16:56 | 187498 Gordon_Gekko
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Apologies for (re)posting unrelated comment but this is quite important IMHO (via Denninger's Market Ticker):

The U.S. Treasury and Labor Departments will ask for public comment as soon as next week on ways to promote the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams, according to Assistant Labor Secretary Phyllis C. Borzi and Deputy Assistant Treasury Secretary Mark Iwry, who are spearheading the effort.

You MUST IMMEDIATELY or AS SOON AS POSSIBLE withdraw ALL funds in your 401(k)/IRA retirement accounts as they are about to be FORCIBLY "invested" in soon-to-be-worthless Treasuries. So you were wondering how the US Govt. was planning on selling over $2 Trillion worth of"Treasuries" this year? Wonder no more...they will be STEALING the money from you at gunpoint. If you are worried about the penalties imposed upon withdrawal, don't be - just buy PHYSICAL Gold and Silver with the money, preferably in your personal possession, and the massive appreciation - both in nominal and real terms - will more than take care of any losses due to penalties.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 17:04 | 187515 gossamer
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot???

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 17:53 | 187613 Oso
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not that i dont truly appreciate the sensationalism with which this is presented, or the clear talking up of your book...


...but since when did annuities or other steady payment streams immediately equal treasuries?  Couldnt any bond be included in that, including corporates?


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:24 | 187675 Anonymous
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the post went so far over your head you didn't
even get a buzz cut....

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 21:26 | 187861 Gordon_Gekko
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I didn't realize I could move markets by posting comments on ZH. Never knew I had that much power. BTW, that's real smart - the government is going to get people to funnel money into some company's bonds when it can DIRECTLY LOOT THE FUNDS.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:23 | 187671 Anonymous
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i am on anonymous record as predicting this....the
argentine way is what i warned in spring/summer
2009.....the usa is the 4th reich...

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:42 | 187687 AN0NYM0US
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I read something about this or some proposed legislation back a few months ago and it made sense in an evil sort of way.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 02:14 | 188117 Number 156
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Do you think that is all they will take?


China, facing massive food shortages and riots throughout many provinces, secretly threatens the the USA that they will begin dumping their holdings of US treasuries unless the USA slashes prices on agricultural and food exports.

Just as secretively, the USA complies, and soon, and many American cities soon begin to face food shortages and massive price increases as supplies run short.

Soon, food will be a costly commodity, and when your creditor becomes hungry, look out.


Sat, 01/09/2010 - 20:33 | 188798 ToNYC
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Do you have a list of the top ten Unintended Consequences of keeping the majority of one's wealth in gold bullion and who doesn't have an army to defend it?

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 17:11 | 187536 Anonymous
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The stress tests were a bigger scam along with the PPIP. How about some new stress tests now that worse case scenarios has been breached? I guess now that all the insolvent bank stocks equity prices have gone thru the roof, mission accomplished.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:21 | 187666 Anonymous
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How about this....

A one time tax of $X amt. that would effectively price the AIG
at 25 cents on the dollar....vs 100 cents on the $....


Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:37 | 187695 Anonymous
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"Geithner, who was head of the New York Fed at the time, “wasn’t party to the decision,” Gibbs said at a White House briefing."

This is a classic legal in a dog bite case:

First defense: I don't own a dog.
Second defense: My dog doesn't bite.
Third defense: My dog didn't bite you.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 18:58 | 187714 ZeroCool
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These are not the droids you are looking for.

Four legs good, two legs better!

-Ministry of Truth

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 20:09 | 187785 Hephasteus
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Poor timmah. He just can't figure out Turbo Tax OR thunderbird. He doesn't even know what a POP account is.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 21:13 | 187848 laughing_swordfish
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They won't replace Timmy.

If they do, the Congresscritters will demand "one of their own" in Treasuryfor "oversight" purposes.

I predict if Geithner is fired they'll go with either Chris Dodd or even Bawney Fwank. After all, the GSE's, the Housing Industry, The TBTF's all need a seat at the Treasury table when policy is being decided, right?

This is getting to be too much fun to watch.

Fri, 01/08/2010 - 22:01 | 187896 Anonymous
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Who are they trying to fool? The media or themselves? I sure as hell am not going to buy into that nonsense and I can't believe anyone who has paid an ounce of attention during this crisis would either. Unless they are on the Fed payroll.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 07:21 | 188247 Anonymous
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White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said

Gibbs is lying glibly

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 20:30 | 188797 faustian bargain
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Robert Gibbs fibs gliby for robbers.

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 17:48 | 188695 Anonymous
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How do you sleep at night?!!!

How can you LIE day after day like this?? The cover up of the cover ups is getting old. We want the truth, and we want JAIL TERMS for all of the banking criminals this administration HIRED instead of PROSECUTED!!

What a ClusterFuck!! I hope John Stewart rips your sorry asses to shreds!

Sat, 01/09/2010 - 19:14 | 188756 Anonymous
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WOW---This Whitehouse is losing every shred of credibility they ever had. It is so obvious that this is the cover up of the cover up.

Obama--WHAT HAPPENED??? Where is the transparency and accountability that CANDIDATE OBAMA promised?!

It is painfully obvious that the AIG-Goldman mortgage/derivatives fiasco is the biggest HEIST this nation has ever seen. You would be wise to tell the truth and start busting heads. Little Timmay, the Turbo Tax
Cheetah has got to GO!!

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