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Who Will Be The First To Decrypt The Wikileaks "Insurance" File
With Julian Assange's arrest now seen by many to be a matter of days if not hours, it seems that the Wikileaks founder has taken some modest retaliation precautions, primarily along the lines of the infamous "letter in the mail should something happen to me." Using Bit Torrent, Wikileaks has distributed an "insurance" file, which however is encrypted, and the contents of which are unknown, although may possibly contain at least some of the infamous BofA incriminating selection. It is very possible that Wikileaks will release the encryption code upon Assange's arrest. That said, the insurance file, which can be downloaded from Pirate Bay at the following link, is merely 1.4 GB, and far less than the expected 5 GB which the BofA data is supposed to contain. Since Zero Hedge is read by quite a few hackers, we would like to extend the challenge to all to find the proper key to decrypt the insurance file and spill its contents to the general public.
More from MSNBC:
An "insurance" file has been downloaded from the WikiLeaks site by tens of thousand of supporters, the newspaper reported, meant to trigger a deluge of national and commercial secrets if Assange's activites are curtailed.
Computer experts interviewed by the newspaper said it was unlikely that the U.S. could defeat the encryption in the files. The Sunday Times reported that the U.S. Defense Department said it was aware of the insurance file, which has been available for download since July.
The insurance file seems meant as a threat to governments that would attempt to stop Assange from releasing even more documents — or at least to ensure that the material could be released in the event that WikiLeaks is driven offline or Assange is arrested.
And some more from German website dnews.de, google translated:
These documents should include names of spies, informers, terrorists and dissidents, as well as many other "explosive information". The difference from the published documents at the beginning of this week is that this information has not been edited by English newspaper editors.
As the Dutch daily newspaper De Telegraaf writes, documents bomb had informed Interpol about the threat. The malicious file is 1.4 GB in size and is called insurance.aes256. Any Internet users can now download the file but not read, because it is the most powerful encryption program AES (Advanced Encryption Standard) with secured. The AES is a stronger encryption program, which the U.S. authorities use it as says the Telegraaf. The key is to then give if Julian Assange had been arrested.
Once again, for all with bittorrent client access, the wikileaks insurance file can be downloaded here.
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coincidental that ORI says "dog-eared" just now,c ause what's been on my mind as this soap-opera unfolds is the old flick "Wag the Dog" (Dustin Hoffman?)
yes, it does seem as if it is time for war with Albania. going to watch Wag today, thanks for the reminder. and it was De Niro , Hoffman, Ann Heche and many others.
All I can say about this matter is that the info he is holding must be capable of producing major havoc in the financial system. I think the cablegate thing is probably minor compared to the shit some of these major banks have been up to.
I make my living in the financial markets, and I can tell you that it wouldn't take much.
The banking industry is kept 'virtually solvent' through book keeping shenanigans, they have No chance of growing their way out the hole, and it is only hypesters like Cramer, free money to speculate with, and the HFT brigade, that are supplying bid on much of Anything these days.
And the Biggest banks are intertwined, kill one, kill them all. See Middleton's work on derivative counter-party exposure, as a percentage of capital. Dead walking. Truly, zombies, no better word.
Thanks for speaking out Jasper!
Frankly, I think this leak makes every defensive commodity and stock a 'buy' at this point (financial shenanigans aside, of course). To the extent that diplomacy resolves conflict, by chopping the U.S. diplomatic capability in particular, one increases the relevance of warfare to resolve conflict.
The nattering of "free speech" and "open government" arguments are valid in other contexts, and self-serving and/or seditious BS in the context of this leak.
FT, you seem to suppose that recent US diplomacy has genuinely generated any peace.
I think that is a questionable posit.
Korea? No. Palestine? No. China? No.
In fact, most of the places where peace has broken out lately, as far as I can tell, it has come from the efforts (or just plain exhaustion) of the locals.
It cannot yet be done. The key is probably non-guessable gibberish, too. Whichever comes first, one has to either wait for quantum computing... or Assange to croak over dead.
Now that it is pretty much assured that breaking this code is impossible, B of A will live another day.
State-sponsored, and of course, supported by the Fed, The Treasury Department, Homeland Security, etc.
First and foremost, I am a computer novice, knew absolutely nothing about the computer, except click here, click there and then f### microsoft.
But reading all the posts above, it does not make sense to me. Couldn't that insurance file be incorporated with both code and time restriction, with time restriction being the primary factor? Say,once the pre-determined time is up, then the file goes self extraction mode? Or, could there be another small file lurking around the corner, and if and only if, that file will go berserk if not attended on a daily basis, by distributing the codes via you know what.
That's what insurance means, right?
If there is no way to de-crypt file if A is somehow disappeared, then A will definitely disappear in a hurry if the insurance file, based on the guy above, encrypted with AES 256 (WTF), cannot be de-crypted in several thousand years? ?F*** Intel for making so inferior chips)
Anyone know where to find a safe, no-virus-attached, torrent bit(ch) client?
http://www.utorrent.com/
By simply requiring a program be activated on a daily basis, in order to PREVENT the key from being emailed to J6P and pretty much everyone else on the internet,
Assange guarantees his safety, assuming that the insurance file really is important to TPTB!
dead man "switch."
Like on " LOST " ?
Tyler actually comes close to a very important question: To the extent Assange becomes unable to actively call the shot, What gets released in repsone to What?
SOMEone(s) have the key. Any one of them might elect, in response to this or that outrage (against Assange or his organization), might elect to decrypt it Personally, and release a bit. Arrest? Dribble. Extradition? A bit more. Imprisonment? More still. Assasination, tragic hot tub tragedy, etc.
One of the strategies in brinksmanship is, no matter how much you commit, try to keep a reserve retaliatory strike. Preferably one believably bigger than the last one you landed.
Though this system is so corrupt, I suppose they imagine any real accounting of their numberless sins could go on indefinitely.
Ms. Clinton says, "This is my last public office". Ya damn Skippy, it is!
What is the value of letting thousands (millions??) have the insurance file if those same thousands never obtain a way of opening and deciphering the file? It only makes sense to think that an appropriate key will become available to all at an appropriate time.
B!ackbri@r (Blackbriar)
Can things get any better?
Well, I suppose it can -- if the insurance turns out to contain juicy stuff.
After reading the wikipedia entry about him, I belive this guys is for real. There must be a whole underground thing keeping him away from the Gestapos now.
You do know that Julian has given his address and phone number to the British police, right? He is not hiding. Picked that up on other blogs. Didn't hear it straight from Julian's mouth.
The complete story from his very smart and very attractive lawyer:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/2/attorney_confirms_wikileaks_founder_julian_assange
here's a story on her from today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/05/julian-assange-lawyers-being...
Robinson said: "By eliding client and lawyer, that was a very inappropriate attempt to implicate me. That is really inappropriate to come from the state department of all places; they understand very well the rules on attorney-client protocol."
"It's quite a serious situation," she said, adding that, according to theUN's Basic Principles on the Role of Lawyers, governments should ensure that lawyers "are able to perform all of their professional functions without intimidation, hindrance, harassment or improper interference" and that "lawyers shall not be identified with their clients or their clients' causes as a result of discharging their functions".
You ain't gonna crack dat file if its AES 256 (I see many saying its not AES).
He probably used truecrypt set to an insane paranioa level.
If ya had an image of the hard drive it was created on... We might could do something.
Otherwise Fugettaboutit.
social engineering.... it would be WAY easier to infilitrate and get the key through spy tactics ... and then their is always waterboarding...
Try uudecode.
Could he be that retro?
I don't have the BW to waste on the dload.
Haha :-)
That's my secret keyring decoder of choice.
Old skool every time... ho-rah
*UseNet fist-bump*
Out of interest, I did a search for a wikileaks-related UseNet posting. Hey, here's one:
http://www.nzbclub.com/nzb_view/7075706/wikileaks_insurance_aes256
29 rar'ed files (using Par2, clever scheme for self-repair if one file is corrupted) at 51MB each. Not including the Par data files. Could be more viable for those on limited bandwidth.
Thanks for bringing back the good memories using uudecode. For those who didn't use it, here's a reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuencoding
Here's the wiki reference to understand the problems in trying to brute-force the encryption:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_force_attack
It's unlikely anyone is going to be able to decrypt this file, but it is also likely that TPTB already have been given the password so THEY know what is in it. It likely has some astoundingly sensitive information, which in order to make the threat of its release a clear and present danger to TPTB they must KNOW what is inside. This would be information besides just revelations about BAC.
Insofar as the file not being large enough to hold the BAC information, all the file really has to do is provide links to OTHER files also stored around the net, also encrypted.
As far as TPTB being able to stop the distribution of any of these files by capturing and imprisoning JA, that is a laughable concept. First off, there are numerous others in the WL "organization" that would have the password. Second, hacker extraordinaire that he is, JA no doubt has launched a bot/s which is/are self-timed to spam out passwords and locations to email boxes all around the world. This is standard spamming technology used all the time. If Julian isn't available to periodically drop in a code to keep the bots from launching, off they will go all on their own.
Of course, once in custody TPTB will no doubt torture JA in the effort to get him to reveal his STOP codes. This would tip off other WL hackers to the fact that JA was being tortured, and so they would begin the retaliatory process of distributing out partials of the information they have collected. Everytime JA gets Waterboarded, more revelations come out. JA himself could not stop this, that is his insurance policy against himself being unable to withstand the torture.
I doubt with the kind of mind JA has that a single file already revealed to exist is the end all and be all of what WL has stored in encrypted files on redundant servers all over the net. He has had YEARS to accumulate files, and he himself is known to have hacked into numerous Goobermint DBs, and the WL "organization" is composed of other hackers just like him. I do not think they would have pushed the button on this last release if they had not already secured enough information to positively blow the lid off if they are compromised.
Julian himself is serving as a lightning rod here, he is attracting all the attention and he is willing to sacrifice himself for his beliefs. All the indications are that he did not go into this unprepared. He is calmly sitting and waiting to be arrested, he is not even trying to escape to Nicaragua. BY all standards of measurement, Julian Assange is a HERO. He deserves the Congressional Medal of Honor for Bravery in the face of overwhelming odds. In the end, he will WIN. The information he accumulated WILL be dispersed, although he himself might be dead. Its not stoppable, short of completely shutting down the internet, and that is unlikely since Netflix needs it to distribute movies. Which themselves may contain the information, and already be present on your hard drive, courtesy of the last video you downloaded.
RE
What makes you so sure he is not part of some government agency himself?
I am not sure he isn't, nor am I sure Wikileaks itself isn't a ploy by one faction here against another. However, numerous things suggest its not a controlled phenomenon. Mainly the JOKE of an international arrest warrant thru Interpol issued for him not wearing Condom? LOL. I mean really, if this was planned out, I am sure they would have done better than that. Such an utterly stupid choice indicates TPTB were caught with their pants down and looked for the quickest means they could find to nail him with some Sex Charge, a la Elliot Spitzer.
All the indications are that Wikileaks is FOR REAL, and based on his bio, Julian Assange is one very smart SOB. He is managing this just as he says he will, its an effort to expose the hyporisy in Goobermint. The man is an avowed Anarchist, and he is a first class hacker. If he says he has deep shit, I tend to believe he has deep shit. The reaction so far by TPTB tends to support the fact he has Deep Shit. They are pulling out ALL the stops to try to discredit him. Sadly, so far for them it ain't working.
RE
Fair point.
Uhm....
Oh..like...my...frekkin god!
What could like, be brought to like our attention?
Like...frekkin corruption everywhere. Like omg politicians are taking bribes...
frekkin self-interests being fabulous!
like sexual encounters with...wait for it.............prostitues!!!! like oh em G!!!!
Please hackers don't decrypt this...we might find something like terrible...like boogy monsters, and tooth fairys that look like george soros.
Please...whatever you do...tell me its not corruption in our banking/political system. I will be shocked into heart attack.
Merkel says internet not above the law!!
Use google translate from German.
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/politik/6910-merkel-internet-kein-rechtsfreier-raum
here may be the reason why the KOREA conflict is flaring up...or that nonsense WIKILEAKS is getting so much attention...:
http://futurefastforward.com/images/stories/featurearticles/ForeclosureBombshell.pdf
Im going to fucking bed. Wake me up when God is ready to shake us all off the Earth like the Fleas that we are to reset it.. Theres too much shit going on to even give a fuck anymore. Giving a fuck is becoming more difficult each day
Buck up plocque there's wok to be done. Go get " h o l d f a s t" tattooed on your knuckels instead of going to church (just today though). Peace
I wouldn't be telling anybody if you did decode it unless you want a near simultaneous visit by the men in dark suits.
If you did decode it the best thing to do would be to upload it as quickly as possible, as anonymously as possible to a very public place. There is no point in chasing the guy who just happened to decrypt it if the information is public already. Announcing you decrypted it but not releasing the info would be dangerous.
Given the banking "megaleak" has only been talked about recently and the torrent itself is severl months old it would seem unlikely that it contains any new material. Seems more likely it would have been insurance prior to the Iraq leak... so the information contained in the file may very well already be public.
BB.
It might be prudent to wear a condom whilst trying to crack this code, better to be safe than sorry. In fact it is probably a good idea to double up on the condoms in case one turns out to be a dud and splits - causing a red notice to be issued.
In fact I have taken to wearing condoms whilst reading ZeroHedge - so I don't get arrested (again), I also find it much more cleanly all round.
Yeah, the other day someone here mentioned "WASP run banks", being curious, since i didn't know what a "wasp run Banks" is, i googled it *WHAM* , the search turned up some ugly looking links and ... about the time i started to click on one of the links *WHAM* something or somebody refreshed my browser for me ... all of the previous links were gone ...and the new search results had nothing to do with banks ... or wasps.
Still don't know what a "WASP run Banks" means.
A free utility to stop malicious software or executables from being implimented when you click from site to site using explorer or Firefox is "SANDBOX IE" it creates a totally seperate and virtual "sandboxed" (hence the name) set of files and DLL's to surf the net.
You can delete an infected sandbox at will keeping your computer free of malware
Just a great utility.......free ..........
thought I would share
http://www.sandboxie.com/
Next week is going to be crazy in the market!
I worry that wikileaks is a distraction...a 'hey look over here!' when something else is going on. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if this whole thing was a counter-intel operation by someone(s).
Is there no relevance from the "bank info" to your portfolio whatsoever?
Could be the Merry Pranksters!
From http://iq.org/~proff/rubberhose.org/ "Currently supported ciphers are DES, 3DES, IDEA, RC5, RC6, Blowfish, Twofish and CAST."
If Assange is a geek who works on crypto, he will not have used the first 5 ciphers or CAST.
Those wise in the ways of crypto will recognize that nobody is cracking a Blowfish key (likely 1024+ bits) any time before the sun goes red giant.
As a slightly-OT aside, I have an OpenBSD t-shirt (who's icon is a blowfish, guess why) with the Ben Franklin quote on it about "those who would trade liberty for temporary safety deserve neither".
Really cool t-shirt.
By the way, all you all on here talking about trying to "crack" the encryption are just making me weep with laughter. You can't crack it. Neither, most likely can NSA or any of their handmaidens unless, as someone pointed out, they have made huge strides in quantum computing (way outside possibility but, never say never). There are plenty of copies of the key out in the world right now however that will open it right up. I agree with the post which pointed out that for max effect some inkling of what the file actually contains would have been leaked to interested parties. Why is JA still sitting in Britain, not arrested or extradited to the US? The Brits are usually Oh so willing to play ball with the US yet they sent the warrant back to Sweden saying it had some sort of technical issues. Someone is hemming and hawing. One cannot discount the possibility that this is indeed a disinfo scheme but, if it is legit, there are some very sweaty parties tying themselves in knots right now trying to figure out how to defuse this bitch. Only one thing is certain enough right now to bet the farm...the encryption cannot be cracked. Remember during the Clinton admin much fuss was being made about how to control strong encryption... it was seen as a threat for just such reasons. Dedicated geeks made sure that public strong encryption became a reality. Thank you geeks of vision evrywhere :-)
Kudos to geeks with attitude!
+1. Now we just need reliable opensource P2P encrypted IMs and VoIP, seeing as how Skype sold out to ebay.
I have no idea why the government dislikes Wikileaks; if the gov't has nothing to hide and isn't doing anything wrong, then they should not mind if everyone is watching them.
But the government is the first to admit that it does have things to hide. That is why they are classified top-secret.
Hey, I definitely agree with this. Nice avatar too ;)
Of course, nowhere is it written that a single cipher is the only one used for encryption. Several (or N) types may be used in series...
what ever happened to the old "DESTROY AFTER READING" trick? Does no one carry matches anymore? Instead of matches we carry memory sticks. Dark fucking days indeed and yet another reason to lift the smoking bans.
Julian Assange and Wikileaks = Dog and Pony show.
The day they release some damning info regarding 9/11 is the day I take them seriously.
Heard the spin on NPR(public radio in US) that "The information in Wikileaks prove that Iran's neighbors would like them removed...." paraphrasing.
Nothing on 911, nothing damaging on Israel, No information on GS JPM(BOA and non-club members don't count).
I say he's been compromised or being used for Cyber False flag. Poisoned Well, etc.
Just sayin
How to control the opposition? Be the opposition.
kinda like hi-jacking the Tea Party
What/who was the source of the info? Where did it originally come from?
We found out that the Yellow Cake Niger docs were forged, but did you ever find out Who Forged them?
Didn't think so. Maybe the slip is showing, but not the leg.
Is there anyone on ZH with an IQ safely out of the single digits who hasn't figured out who demolished the WTC on Sept 11, 2001?
Hint: There were no more airplane proof buildings than these on this planet...
oh, JFC, not this truther shit again.
Look, the logistics of demolishing the WTC1 and 2 were impracticable, TOTALLY so.
And NEITHER BUILDING collapsed in anything resembling a controlled demolition. WTC7, otoh, you cannot say the same thing about. But, get over this twin towers were brought down by a massive government mastermind conspiracy. There are no masterminds in the goddamned government, just bunglers and incompetents as far as the eye can see.
Underwear bomber was let on the plane because the intelco didn't KNOW he was going to try to detonate on final approach. They wanted to make a career and get a promotion by tracking him to a bigger cell and have some headline bust and pad their own egos.
There was no conspiracy to let him try to blow his ass up so that they could start Xray scanning everyone. The government is easier to understand if you look at it as an organization populated by TONS of self-interested diversity hires.
trav - I agree with the gross incompetence analysis. However, one thing still niggles me....why did Conda-sleeeeeeza intentionally blow off George Tennent's warnings? Just politics? I think the bitch may have been brassy enough to, but not stupid enough to - unless she had her ass covered.... meaning: who told her to ignore George? I'm sure one of ya'll out there has the answer?
The debris field for WTC 1 and 2 was 1200 ft. each in diameter, including multi-ton column trees being ejected laterally from the face of the buildings at up to 70 mph, and landing 600 ft. away, imbedding themselves in the sides of surrounding buildings. (btw, anyone who thinks gravity was responsible for these multi-ton projectiles is an imbecile.) Practicality was obviously not high on the list of priorities, as it would have been with a conventional demolition concerned with damage to surrounding buildings and cost.
Does anyone here have the knowledge or know how to setup a distributed brute force effort (such as seti@home or distributed.net)? I would gladly donate all the spare computer time I can get my hands on. I wouldn't be surprised if other websites would help out to promote the effort like the daily bell, etc.
Palestine? Where's that? Right underneath the mythical city once called Detroit?
Interesting stuff here: http://cryptome.org/0002/wl-diary-mirror.htm
Assange is a better marketer than PT Barnum.
Assuming this is not a red herring, I bet it is an encrypted zip file. It could contain many multiples of 1.4 GB of unzipped data. Hopefully some of it is new information.
Unless you have _KEY2 (which the NSA surely does), you have no hope of breaking 256AES. If the code is 10 characters of uppercase, lowercase and numbers, there are more combinations than atoms in the universe.
"If the code is 10 characters of uppercase, lowercase and numbers, there are more combinations than atoms in the universe."
No shit? Oh well so much for that distributed effort...
What would that be.... 62*62*62*62*62*62*62*62*62*62? Is that all the atoms there are? Just 8.39299E+17?
Yeah, I was exaggerating.
I was being sarcastic. You are definitely right. I forgot to do my homework before making that stupid distributed suggestion. Distributed.net is currently working to crack just a 72 bit key... and each step up takes exponentially longer to crack. It took them 193 days to do 56 bit... 1,726 to do 64 bit (and this benefiting from moores law all the way) and now after a brief 2,924 days they're just 1.2% of the way through the keyspace. Fuck it brute force wont' do it. The key has to be given or there would need to be a back door of some kind...
Brigitta Jonsdatirr used to live with JA in Iceland, she probably has the private key to decrypt.
It may not be BofA related and 1.4G is most probably compressed data with a ratio of 75-80%.
There's no way this file is being cracked anytime soon. The reason it is encrypted, is to insure it will be cracked at some point in the distant future, regardless of whether Julian and ALL his key holding lieutenants are arrested. However, if at least one of his lieutenants escapes, he/she will be able to distribute the key and the file will be decrypted much much sooner.
What if this is all a bluff, designed to do exactly what it has so far: elicit clamp down responses from the government? If one doesn't have 5GB of material from a BOA hard drive (but badly wants it) do they want the material or the reaction to the material? CEO's generally don't spout their mouth off publicly off without a plan...
This "insurance file" is old news and waaaaay too pulp fiction. Besides, it only has a chance of working if the antagonist knows what is in the file.
The Obama administration should have absolutely no trouble at all getting some kind of indictment. I am surprised that they don't have one already - or maybe they do.
Then what happens? He gets extradited or goes into deep hiding, an accused felon on the run with a prize on his head.
I hear Venezuela is lovely this time of year.
I don't need to know that the gun you are holding is loaded for me to hand over my wallet.
Cracked or not it does not make any difference, who needs wiki's junk intel? The whole media circus around is is pretty pathetic, journalists paid to belive and endorse. It does create an illusion of a debate, withing the acceptable margins of course.
How long do you think you would last if you decide to spill some classified material? You either a mithological character like Tim Osman Osama, Assange etc.. or a dead man.
Guess some ZHer's missed Tyler's message yesterday.. Robots
Anything is possible in life. In Laymen terms.
Mr. Potatohead! Backdoors are NOT secrets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiiBrEHBWA
you simply can't play chicken with the intelco. This isn't fucking Pelican Brief and shit where you can play games. These are the type of people, like cops, who will beat your ass just for threatening them...they are not the rational deep thinkers that the MOVIES make them out to be.
Only the erroneous ASSUMPTION that intelligence services are masterminds leads people to the wrong conclusion that they must be in some master conspiracy to make everything happen. This is so logically specious as to defy belief.
Agreed.
This seems like a good time for a call out for our friends at Oath Keepers:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/oathkeeper-stewart-rhodes-interview.html
After trillions in QE 89.5 Lite fails to grip (money multiplier effect DOA) and doesn't improve the domestic employment situation (U-6 17%) - perhaps it is because the money is not staying domestic as per initial economic re-investment model design.
It apparently is rapidly leaking outside of the targeted area, resulting in unintentional stoking and pushing up global inflation rates everywhere. Basic food goods cost, some locals say, are up 300% or more in asia y-o-y, and the poor are getting whacked - as per usual.
Conspiracy thought: maybe the money is leaking out of the system into stagnant gold and silver positions, instead of stoking the hiring plans for next year - nobody knows.
So what if, Jullio, could be blamed then not for just leaked intel info, but rather for the prime reason of this systemic QE monetary policy failure from unknown areas of monetary multiplier "leakage" - through the less controlled "pay-a-pal-esque" dark wire movements of international funds transfer?
Besides controlling all known sources and flow of funds, this weak manhunt is likely just a distraction while the other hand of Big Brother (IRS) is trying to track down the "mules" of the all important global payment system the oligarchy use and exploit worldwide is my bet.
Varnish
Zeitgeist: Addendum | Part 3: The Venus Project [Part 1 of 3]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkzTbBPfK1c
Propaganda is beyond its wildest dreams. Muckey the financiers & puppet architect's. The rabbit hole is deeper than you think. Their vision will lead to a global revolution.
Nice, thought provoking piece beginning with the Fed's "Modern Money Mechanics" i.e., money creation, if you look at the larger work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs&feature=related
You don't want to have anything to do with the Penus Project. Do more research, you will begin to understand why.
Sorry, I have this perverse drive to do my own thinking on the basis of my own eyes, ears and brain. The linked video is the most lucid explanation of the system that I've ever seen.
I couldn't care less about whispered rumors about who they "really" are.
I would strongly recommend that everyone who is committed to the proposition of hard/sound money take a look at how these guys explain and put it into perspective.
Who they sleep with, either in truth or rumor, has nothing to do with me or the facts that matter in the larger picture.
You realize you're magnanimously chastening me to not look at the video, right?
Maybe you should look at it.
Bob,
The only way the Penus Project will work was written as a book called 1984. Someone will always have to pay for new infrastructure. Governments never pay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4rBDUJTnNU
Oh, yeah, I've heard the perspective that government is by definition unable to produce anything of value. There's nothing like a closed system of definitions to convince you not to believe your eyes or common sense.
That said, being only half way through the video now, it will be interesting to see how the issue of infrastructure is addressed. They certainly don't ignore the standard externalities that free market fundamentalists define away. Back to the video.
Edit: Well, a nice vision of an arguably different future. As they say themselves, it won't happen without a systemic collapse. Obviously eliminating money and organizing society upon principles of sharing is another way of saying "socialism," which is an incomparably filthy word to many Americans, particularly the "haves," so it seems extremely unlikely to happen here, unless there is an event that pushes us to the brink of extinction and leaves only collectivists living or Americans are eliminated altogether and the nation repopulated by others who can actually pull if off. It all seems unlikely to me, but it's good for people to be challenged to question and proprose, imo. It's one way that radical changes become possible.
Not that we're in need of radical change, of course.
I decrypted it. All it says is, "don't forget to drink your Ovaltine."
Why would not he just distribute the file unenchrypted for everyone to see if he wants to 'Open Governments'. Why play silly games. He reminds me somewhat of the Reinhardt character at enterprisecorruption.com, who captivated audience with his lucku predictions of stock market crashes, but then quickly switched his site to pay per view mode for his daily updates, because the luck ran out.
If JA wants what is best for mankind then releasing docs that will collapse this entire globalism shit, he needs to release all the info he has ASAP. The sooner we get rid of the New World Order the better, literally by the day.
If Wikileaks is what it states, and 9-11 was an inside job, I'd say it is a good question to ask why no leaks about this have come out. Maybe this insurance.aes256 has some? Also, Wikileaks doesn't just release leaks whenever they fall into their hands. Published leaks are selected and released carefully, in batches, and also making use of mass mainstream media. Should they have information on 9-11, why not releasing it?
Also another thing: everyone can write into Wikipedia, and so can intelligence agencies in order to add false information or to suppress undesired content. So it is also possible to use Wikileaks as a channel to spread false leaks. Does Wikileaks check its sources?. Can they actually check anything? Another thing is that, since they seem capable hackers, they break into a system and take the leaks by themselves. However they do it, and unless they can point to some kind of proof, all they publish requires faith to be believed. Is it possible to check if any of the published cables were sent for real? Many of them make sense, but already many of the have been contradicted by the people involved. Why should we believe either the alleged cable or the negation of it? Anyway, many of the cables I have seen are at least credible, but that's not the point.
if you are inclined to believe in the potent directors fallacy of government masterminds manipulating everything, then it would be wise to consider that the information that occasioned Bradley Manning was in many cases conveniently provided to him or another leaker once it was discovered that wiki would reliably divulge.
In fact, there's no way in hell they wanted that Apache vid out. But if you have reason to suspect other leakers, you might provide them with blatantly anti-Iran "leaks" in order to use the channel for your own purposes.
However, the government has bungled nearly everything it's been involved with. If the directors are so potent, then WHY IS EVERYTHING FAILING? Why haven't we already won in Iraq? Why hasn't our economy gone back to happy days?
WTF was the POINT of engineering a 911 if you believe it was engineered? It makes no goddamned sense to do such a thing. There was no fucking NEED of more power for Busch; wtf is he gonna do with it? Was the Busch crime Syndicate FAILING to get rich as shit off the inflation racket or drugs through Mena? I mean, there was no point in anyone engineering broad catastrophes. It's not as if the status quo was threatened by anyone.
Fwiw, I find it interesting that...
WikiLeaks founder: Netanyahu believes exposé will aid Mideast peaceJulian Assange tells Time: Netanyahu says leaders must speak in public like they do in private; Turkey: Israel engineered WikiLeaks release.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-founder-netanyahu-believes-expose-will-aid-mideast-peace-1.328380
Why does that leave me unsettled about JA?
Won't most of the Bank Guy in Brussels' scenarios fall apart due to lack of motive? Why would JA be an operative for the US? What would he be getting out of it? Money, patriotic duty, security -- all fall apart as possible motive behind his actions as Wikileak founder or CIA spook.
"The Biggest banks are intertwined, kill one, kill them all." (Jasper M)
This got me thinking...
What if JA views himself as a world changer or white knight pitted against a criminally intertwined world government? From what I've read of his personality I don't think this possibility is too far off the mark to imagine.
Wikileaks would be a perfect weapon in an avenger's arsenal. It is low cost and regularly reloaded by external sources yet could prove powerful enough to bring down governments.
What we know for certain about US leaks is that documents were released causing US government embarrassment but minimal damage to war personnel. We also know that someone else sent video with the same end effect.
Now if we were to imagine secrets on Wikileaks doorstep that if released, place thousands or more in dire peril? Secrets that will virtually force quick financial withdrawal from a number of wars via the uncovering of international illegalities in the world banking system.
Am I wrong to believe a dangerous global reaction would follow? There's no way a free JA could have allowed this type of secret to go public without being seen as a raving lunatic hellbent on destruction. His life would have been over as soon as a sniper had a clear shot. Or he would have been "disappeared" to the relief of public majority upset that their bank accounts are now worth zero-null-nil and the latest episode of Jersey Shore is canceled.
But to backup for a moment... at Wikileaks there's awareness that the standard hyper-reaction of certain governments is to kill/torture first and ask questions later. Wikileak workers know that releasing any classified document is ultimately dangerous. On the other hand just about everyone knows a "dead man walking" has nothing to lose. Why not ensure release of all secrets based on that very real possibility?
I assume JA knew his life would be placed in danger by posting classified docs. That he did so and then made himself so obvious tells me he's playing a strategic mid-game. Is it possible his insurance file isn't related to anything we've seen or heard of yet? Perhaps it contains something intertwined in ways we don't want to imagine?
In an end game, encryption key release based on JA's personal safety would be a perfect path to releasing real dirt while deflecting culpability for that release. If any government compromises JA's safety then they knowingly and willingly force the release of the insurance file. Who wins that scenario? On one side of the scales we will have one dead self-proclaimed paladin, on the other will sit the ashes of multiple governments.
"We will tell them you were a hero."
or, perhaps this is not an insurance file, but information that can only be released when JA is placed into a safe location - such as scandinavian prison.
let's say this info is something really scary and damaging to US, Russia, China, SA etc.
if somebody like that were after you - where would you hide? would there be a safer place than a scandinavian prison, and after a very public trial so that the whole world knew you walked in alive and well? of course, they are not a hotel per se, and you must be convicted of some crime in order to get their "protection".
my guess
Nixons_The_One
notice the clever use of underscores
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKMvvPQU38U
Assange's key? Try 1 2 3 4.
Well you can compress stuff very far. You can get stuff that is 95 percent compressed. The hardest is video/audio. But other stuff is highly more compressable. But hey, you can get a 1080 movie for 700mb. Who need 55gb blu-ray, when a cd will hold it just fine. Or a 200mb software file that expands to 4 gb. That 1.4 gb, I suspect, is highly compressed. But hell if I know. Also on a 5gb hard drive of material, not ALL would be important. For instance, why copy the files that go with the anti virus, or microsoft word. You just need the word docs, so to speak. Memos aren't going to be more than a 50kb.
I would say, don't forget the ip blocker, but we all know they can get around that. 1.4 gb, shouldn't take you longer than an hour or two with a decent cable connection and good seeds. But as is the case with BT, it might take you a couple of days or weeks depending on how many people are trying downloading it.
Now whether or not you'll be carrying all this out in the aid of misinformation is another thing alltogether. While I don't know if it's fish, something does appear to smell fishy. Maybe it's just the oil laced shrimp. Only time will tell, and for now, it isn't that time.