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Why Is Bob Pisani, And By Implication General Electric, Giving Tax Advice On TV?

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In a segment earlier on CNBC, the ever cheerful Bob Pisani, whose only recent specialty on CNBC has been to find new and improved concepts that equate with "victories for the bulls" (global thermonuclear warfare, mutated viral contamination of water supplies, mass extinction events?), broke one of TV's cardinal rules by providing tax advice in a market primetime broadcast. In the clip below Pisani describes the tax trap associated with a wash sale. While he did not screw that up, he subsequently went on to describe how one can find other ETFs that would allow the viewer to get around the was sale rule, in essence providing a tax (avoidance) service, and also how viewers can avoid paying taxes. Of course, intent is a part of any comparable transaction, and one wonders whether CNBC cleared this segment in which Pisani comes dangerously close to describing a method to evade taxes, which is a felony offense.

We understand that the administration (and GE) are hell bent on pushing every tax(able) dollar into buying more GE and other toxic stocks, but at some point the government may actually need to collect on whatever meager tax revenue is left, courtesy of ever more bankrupt consumers.

 

 

h/t Bruce K.

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by bored2tears
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:10
#120086

This entire post is predicated on the notion that people read the closed-captions on CNBC. Surely no one listens to the non-stop blather.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:10
#120087

what a bunch of b.s. you write here zerohedge. everything is negative and a fucking conspiracy to you, go have a drink and relax dude. are we all gonna die tomorrow, too, chicken little, as you probably proclaimed some time ago? if so then who gives a rats ass about pisani and cnbc. seems you are obsessed with watching them, you help their ratings, lol.

by lizzy36
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:28
#120114

curious, if it is all bs, what are you doing here?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:37
#120131

He's one of those pesky auditors from Goldman Sachs. He broke ranks and posted today. Bad auditor!

by Fish Gone Bad
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:14
#120252

After a hard night of drinking and killing puppies with claw hammers, the Goldman Sachs employee had to make payroll.

by Fritz
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:11
#120462

Clearly, that Anon poster was Pisani.

I'm glad he reads ZH... 

by RowdyRoddyPiper
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:28
#120115

Tyler...you better make nice with your mother-in-law.

by curbyourrisk
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:31
#120217

Jack Ass!

by Jeff Lebowski
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:50
#120230

You're right, Anon.  What a bunch of negative Nellies.  You know who else was negative?  Noah.  That bastard thought he was so smug building that fancy boat.  What a prick!

 

How about this?  How about you let Zerohedge do their fucking job for people that appreciate them without hassling the contributors?  They doesn't knock dicks out your mouth while you're doing yours. 

 

Now, resume your party.  Dude.

by snorkeler
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:06
#120244

Just a quick question 120087: If this is all bullshit, why are you waisting time posting here when you should be at the doctor's getting the blockage in your rectum looked at?

by mdtrader
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:30
#120088

CNBC Europe went to commercials just before the FED decision came out and didn't come back until after it. Jesus GE must be desparate for cash. No wonder their viewship is on the slide. Completely useless.

by AR
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:13
#120092

Funny... In the movie Forest Gump, Forest admitted that "Stupid is, as Stupid does."  What's dangerous about the CNBC commentators, is that they believe their own bullshit.  A con knows when it's a con.  These CNBC talking heads actually don't know any better. And we all thought Geithner was dumb.  Wow...

by curbyourrisk
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:32
#120221

Correction.  "STUPID DOES, WHAT STUPID IS TOLD TO DO"

by JohnKing
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:35
#120225

that's good +1

by RockyRacoon
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:18
#120098

Bob Pisani?  Gimme a  break.  Ever listen to him closely?  I suggest a new drinking game:  Take a good shot every time he says "here".   If "here" were removed from his vocabulary he'd be speechless.... Not a bad idea that.

I suspect we'll see a correction/retraction on that tax thingie.

by RockyRacoon
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:20
#120101

Hey, I gotta get me one of those bags for my head like Mr Anonymous. 

Is that de rigueur these days?

by JohnKing
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:22
#120106

CNBC is pretty much a  felony in progress. Cramer, the Najarians, various lying CEO's, half of their content is probably actionable but it is now de rigueur to steal and defraud in the open so don't expect much.

by pbmatthews
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:32
#120125

Settle down.  When you write and post stuff like this it cuts into your credibility.

As a CPA licensed in Texas, there is a very BIG difference between a tax evading scheme (illegal) and a legitimate tax avoidance scheme.

People set up SEP 401Ks and other tax deferred retirement plans to avoid paying taxes.

There is nothing illegal about such actions.

Similarly, selling a stock at a loss prior to year end and buying another one of similar ilk is a legitimate tax avoidance strategy.  (Example: One could sell their BOA or C stock, book their losses, and say buy another bank stock.) 

This is legitimate strategy and is a FAR cry from a felony.

 

by Mad Max
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:38
#120134

Yay, a voice of sanity!  Please re-read the above comment until it makes sense.  Tax avoidance is not tax evasion.  Telling people that if they buy savings bonds instead of CDs they can defer taxation on the interest is just tax-aware investing advice, not a conspiracy to evade taxes.

Now, when CNBC starts telling you how to lie on your tax returns, bribe IRS agents, and which countries still don't cooperate with IRS tax investigations, that could be of legal concern.

by bonddude
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:41
#120138

Since when should reporters be giving ANY advice?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:49
#120151

exactly. Report...i dont need to hear your opinions, i've already got plenty of coverage for that.

by mule65
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:06
#120176

+1 -- turn off CNBC

by deadhead
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:10
#120184

pb...you may want to re-read tyler's opening paragraph. 

I suggest that you parse the words closely and carefully.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:20
#120471

+1

by berated
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:43
#120140

TD et al,

 

Enough already; any mention of CNBS detracts from the great site you've got here. Let them die the quiet death they so richly deserve. Stuff like this is beneath you.

by anynonmous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:04
#120170

couldn't agree more  - (even though their screwups are entertaining) - the best sevice Zero and others could perform is to shut out that financial prop machine

by Sancho Ponzi
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:51
#120152

Maybe he's got a job lined up with H&R Block once the NBC sale is finalized?

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 15:50
#120153

Tax avoidance = Legal

Tax Evasion = Illegal

This is generalized information and as such doesn't constitute tax advice. IMO

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:05
#120173

I'm glad Bob provided this helpful segment - I just sold my GE to take the capital loss and replaced it with CIT - substantially identical?

by deadhead
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 18:14
#120339

that's some funny shit!

by LoneStarHog
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:07
#120178

Boob Pastrami with gold trading around $350:  "Trust me, folks, gold is going nowhere!"

Do you mean this Boob Pastrami?

by Jewelsnorth
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:13
#120192

Go figure. "The video you are trying to access is unfortunately unavailable at the moment."

by eswan
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:19
#120202

No mercy for pump monkey central until they stop lying, BSing and incompetent blather.

They are effectively a much greater wealth destructor than Bernie's ponzi scheme.

They aggressively dismissed the subprime meltdown for at least 9 months. How much did that cost the average investor who relied on them?

This site could develop enough pressure to put a stop to their complete BS if enough informed people continue to speak out. 

 

by Miles Kendig
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:25
#120209

Guilty or not, under current circumstances Pisani works for GE which is covered under the policy of judicial exclusion.  Pisani knows that as long as he is covered under the GE/government umbrella he can pretty much do whatever pleases him.

by Unscarred
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:38
#120211

He and his father also taught a course on real estate development at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania from 1987 to 1992.

Pisani is frequently and jokingly called the "Italian Stallion" and "Cool Breeze" by fellow CNBC personality Mark Haines. "Cool Breeze" is a reference to Pisani's interest in Jazz, and "Italian Stallion" refers to his sexual escapades with multiple CNBC personalities in various Manhattan restaurants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pisani

http://www.usma.edu/bicentennial/images/NYSE_PisaniSupeCadets.jpg

Who would ever think that such a knowledgeable and reputable source would incorrectly reproduce such important information...

by Green Sharts
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:31
#120218

TD, have you ever heard the expression that you're only as strong as your weakest argument?  There are plenty of things to pound CNBC over but suggesting that little segment borders on a felony is ridiculous.

by Miles Kendig
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 16:39
#120227

Hardly.  I dealt with individuals imprisoned within the federal prison system who were convicted for doing much less.  There is a big difference under the rule of law between discussion and advocation.  The simple fact is that this difference is lost when referencing persons enjoying exclusion from justice.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:08
#120245

Agreed.

by economicmorphine
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:13
#120250

I find it really funny that a guy like Pisani actually thinks he works in finance, rather than entertainment.  Look at his hair.  This is no finance guy.  

by Unscarred
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:23
#120261

How would you classify Donald Trump's hair:  Finance, or entertainment?

http://www.battleagainstbald.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/10/hair404...

by geopol
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:52
#120300

Electric

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 18:03
#120317

dissapearing

by Green Sharts
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 19:05
#120399

I haven't seen a do like that since Bill Murray as Big Ern McCracken in Kingpin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci6YPGQedr0

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 17:56
#120306

The wash sale rules did not anticipate the complexity of ETFs.

But if you think the IRS is dumb and blind you are wrong. Thank Bob P. This issue is now a Flag Item for the irs. They have big computers.

Say you follow Bob's advice. You avoid the wash sale and the tax for say $200k. You do the research and leg into the trades.

And then one day you are sitting in a room with an IRS lady and she looks at you and says,"Did you enter into these transactions in a deliberate effort to avoid taxes?"

There are only two answers. You say yes and you pay taxes and fines and get on the shit list. You say no, and you lie to the IRS.

Two terrible outcomes. Bad advice Bob.

by HedgeRoulette
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:59
#120502

Agreed and to add that the IRS is saying "a wash sale is selling stock at a loss, and buy or sell substantially identical securities (not necessary the same security) within 30 days before or after the sale". Aren't similarely structured ETFs "substantially identical"??

by digalert
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 18:23
#120350

CNBC, is that the daily health care show that runs a ticker tape?

by Pat Hand
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 18:31
#120360

Not to worry.  While tax evasion is a crime, tax avoidance is our civic duty.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 19:21
#120413

I gotta love it here. Ive watched a few reruns of old Cheers episodes lately , I get the same feeling here listening to you guys. I dont understand all of it but what are some of guys ? Economic and political scientists? I feel like Norm or Cliff Clavin the postman. Anyhow Ill tilt one to you. That ZH dissenter must be one of the dumb luck sum bitches that bought and held in March and figures the system is just a working little wagon. Probably wont even know how to short when the worm turns.

by geopol
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 19:33
#120426

Why Is Bob Pisani, And By Implication General Electric, Giving Tax Advice On TV?

I'm finding it hard not to respond with...

 

Who gives a shit what Bob Pisani has to say about ANYTHING, And why this fascination with CNBC??

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:17
#120468

Hi Digalert, whatcha got in the wheelbarrow?

by Sonny Drysdale
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:29
#120479

I imagine after GE sheds the networks you'll find a lot of these CNBC people explaining the economics of easy pay on QVC or HSN.

by eswan
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 20:38
#120487

I wonder how many CNBC employees have been directed to show up and post here to try an counter the plain obvious truth that the vast majority of even semi-literate investors regard CNBC (in the US time zone) as being nothing but "pump monkey central"?

How long do think it will take for CNBC to mention that Goldman had only one loss day and over 30  100 million dollar days last quarter in their propriety trading operations?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/04/2009 - 21:30
#120521

Pisani is correct in this case.

by lovejoy
on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 01:10
#120642

Fraud requires intent .... I doubt think Pisani has that ... he probably heard the story and like a news reported is reporting it.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 11/05/2009 - 07:37
#120696

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