Why The Fourth Branch Of The US Government Needs To Be Abolished, And Why "Authority" Should Never Be Trusted

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Yesterday we presented Dylan Grice's thoughts on why economists and their opinions should be summarily dismissed as nothing but mere noise on the steep downward slope of a series of failed "authoritarian" policy decisions, which seek to validate one false choice after another, by presenting a hypothetical and fallacious counter-outcome as a certain reality (just consider the "apocalypse" we would be living in if Goldman had failed: of course, there is no justification for this except for what Bernanke et al claim is the one true alternative reality based on nothing but their own conflicted interests), which does nothing but discredit the "science" of economics more and more with each passing day. Yet in the grand scheme of things economists are merely pawns in the hands of the landed elite: the financial system set only on perpetuating the status quo of capital and wealth reallocation from the lower classes onto itself (until there is eventually nothing left), and a government whose only prerogative is to usurp ever more control and authority, until the entire system is one of central planning in economics, social affairs, religion, and every aspect of people's daily lives, all the while pretending to operate under the guise of a democracy, which, at least in America, died long ago. Today, we present the observations of Bill Buckler from his Privateer report, which picks up where Grice left off and demonstrates why one must not only never rely on economists but on form of "authority" in general. Putting it all together is Buckler's close analysis at the glue that makes it all possible: the Federal Reserve, also known as the fourth branch of government, and the entity that provides the endless funding for all of the system's failed policies. As Buckler points out, any reversion to a system that follows the constitutional precepts of the founding fathers will need to do away with the Fed first and foremost, as "the issue is not the political will of the US government to go on spending beyond its means, it is the political will of the rest of the world to go on accepting the unworkable global system indefinitely. They will not do it." In other words, in the step leading up to the last and most important defection in the global prisoner's dilemma, it is up to the American people to take the necessary step to restore the systemic balance (which will happen regardless eventually, only in a far more violent fashion). Everything else that happens on a day to day basis is completely irrelevant.

From Bill Buckler's The Privateer report, Number 661.

NEVER RELY ON “AUTHORITIES”

On the evening of November 23, 1942, Adolf Hitler was deep in “consultation” with the chief of staff of the Luftwaffe (the German air force) on the possibility of supplying the surrounded German 6th army in Stalingrad by air. On hearing of this consultation, Reichsmarschall Goering, the head of the Luftwaffe, promptly contacted Hitler and assured him that the air force could maintain the 6th army for as long as necessary.

All of Goering’s officers on the spot near Stalingrad knew that this was absolutely impossible. So did Goering’s chief of staff. So did Goering. And so did Hitler. Goering had already been proven wrong a little over a year earlier when he insisted that his Luftwaffe could clear the way for an
invasion of Britain. That was not even considered. What WAS considered was that no matter how fanciful or how contradictory to the FACTS on the ground, a method had been found to prolong the illusion that the war could still be won. And besides, how would any of them know that it could not and would not work if they didn’t try it?

They did try it. It didn’t work. The fate of the 6th army in Stalingrad is history. So is the fate of the Nazi regime.

The March Of Folly:

The American historian Barbara Tuchman published a book with that title in 1984. She lists four kinds of what she calls “misgovernment”. There is misgovernment by tyranny or oppression, by excessive ambition, by incompetence or decadence or both, and finally by folly or perversity. The author concentrates on government policies afflicted by folly or perversity, a rich field of enquiry stretching back to the dawn of history. Mrs Tuchman makes the point that folly is “independent of era or locality, is timeless and universal ...and is unrelated to type of regime. Monarchy, oligarchy or democracy produce it equally.”

She has one further principle for the study of government folly. “...The policy in question should be that of a group, not an individual ruler, and should persist beyond any one political lifetime.” That brings us into the realm of political economy, more precisely the dogged clinging to the central role of government in the economy, and particularly in the financial system upon which the economy rests. That policy has been clung to for far more than a political lifetime. It has been clung to at the highest levels of government for almost a century.

The Fed’s March Of Folly:

This road has been taken ever since the Fed was created in 1913. Specifically, the “final frontier” was entered with the FOMC’s decision on August 10. It’s all downhill from there.

Politics and Economics:

The present global monetary system (on life support as it is) remains the one that was hammered out in Bretton Woods in 1944 with the US Dollar as the world’s SOLE reserve currency. As long as this remains the case, the follies of the US government will remain the most important in  the world and the follies of their central bank - the Federal Reserve - will remain paramount. By Barbara Tuchman’s criteria, a folly worth examining must “persist beyond any one political lifetime”. In June this year, Senator Robert Byrd, the longest serving politician in US history, passed away at the age of 92. Senator Byrd entered the Congress in 1953. Bretton Woods was in 1944. The Fed was created in 1913.

The other point which needs to be made concerns what could be called the dynastic nature of the Fed. Mr Bernanke is the fourteenth Chairman since the creation of the Fed almost 97 years ago. That’s not many - over the same period there have been seventeen US Presidents. Here we get down to the divide between the political and the economic aspect of political governance.

The Politics Of It All:

There was a time when a president and his party could be and were voted out of office because the people preferred the policies offered by the opposition. That ended in the 1930s, when the “criteria” became which party could almost literally “buy” the majority of votes by directing the  redistribution of funds where it would do them the most good. That became entrenched by the late 1960s. Since then, the “platforms” of the major contending parties have been all but indistinguishable. Most US elections have been decided either on the “lesser of two evils” principle or on disgust with the incumbents.

Both sides of US politics have been equally assiduous in their major task as they see it. That task is to safeguard and increase (as far as they are able) the involvement of government in as many aspects of the lives of the people as possible. That is why the euphemism for modern  politicians, especially those in the US Congress, is “lawmakers”. It is only VERY recently that politicians from either party have given serious consideration to the problem of paying for it all or whether they CAN pay for it all. For most of the past century, they have not concerned themselves with that. That is what the Federal Reserve is for.

The Economics Of It All:

In essence, the Fed (like any central bank) is the “fourth arm of government”. The executive branch makes policy. The legislative branch translates it into legislation. The judicial branch is supposed to ensure that legislation is permissible under the Constitution - the law which GOVERNMENT must obey. Originally, the system was set up to ensure a division of power between the branches. A “government bank” or “central bank” was not deemed necessary because the powers of government were thought to be limited by the Constitution to the extent where “financing” these operations would not be necessary. They weren’t (except for the post Revolutionary and Civil War periods) for well over a century. But by the turn of the twentieth century, the US government, like so many governments before them, decided that their reach should extend beyond the borders of the nation they governed. This promised to be expensive.

The Fed was initially set up under the pretense that an institution was necessary to provide an “elastic currency” to meet the needs of business. An elastic currency was deemed necessary alright. But it wasn’t to meet the needs of business, it was to meet the needs of government. And that is what the Fed has been doing ever since. As the powers of government expanded and as the COST of government soared, the Fed was always there, the banker of last resort, the branch of government which would “pay” for whatever government chose to do. The government needs the Fed as a guaranteed buyer of its debt.

It is obvious to anyone who takes the time to EXAMINE the situation that the Fed is the fourth and specifically, the economic/financial branch of the US government. It should be equally obvious that this marriage of convenience has been progressively impoverishing the American people. Apparently, it isn’t.

When A Folly Comes Out Of The Closet:

For many decades, the “co-operation” between the US government with their Treasury requirements and the Fed has been taken for granted. Whole systems of “economics” (notably the one popularised by J.M. Keynes in the mid 1930s) have grown up around the practices of “financing” the ever increasing “needs” of government. The terms “inflation” and “deflation” have been moved from defining movements in the amount of money being created to movements in the prices influenced by this manipulation. A vast pile of books has been written and post-graduate university courses designed around the alleged difference between debt incurred by government and debt incurred by the dwindling “private sector”.

Through it all, the quality of the money has declined in lock step with the increase in the amount of money (of all descriptions) in circulation. There have been two defining moments in the entire process. The first came in 1933-34 when Americans were prohibited by law from owning Gold. The second came in 1971 when the final constraints on government fiscal discipline were removed as the final promise to redeem the US Dollar in Gold was jettisoned. On August 15, 1971, the folly came out of the closet. That lasted a decade, during which funded government debt rose by 150 percent. Then came a quarter century of “serial” debt bubbles which lasted until 2007. Over that period,  government debt grew by 1000 percent. With the onset of the GFC in 2007 and the near death financial experience of 2008, the closet door opened again. And this time, in stark contrast to the end of the 1970s, it CANNOT be closed.

Shutting The Door On An Empty Room:

In the era of “stagflation” (the 1970s), there was actually an extensive debate about the nature of the money which was fuelling an obviously dysfunctional system. The main reason for this was that the concept of “risk” was still one which was current in investment markets. The steady increase of interest rates, which accelerated as the 1970s were coming to a close, was a contributing factor. So was the cost of living - which was accelerating along with interest rates. So was the “price” of Gold, which now had a “price” since it was no longer “fixed” to the US Dollar. As the 1970s ended, the price of Gold in US Dollars accelerated along with US interest rates. This was not and is not supposed to happen. High interest rates are said to be “bad” for Gold. They certainly weren’t in the last three years of the 1970s.

The door was slammed shut by Chairman Volcker in late 1979 when he took his hands off the Fed’s interest rate controlling mechanisms. US rates skyrocketed, “stagflation” turned into (deep) “recession”, Gold soared and then slumped. And, finally, the world was lured back into the paper US Dollar.

The US government had jettisoned the concept of “risk” as far as their borrowing “requirements” were concerned in the aftermath of the 1929 stock market crash. They did so just as the ensuing depression elevated risk aversion in the private US economy to a level it had never seen before and has not (yet) seen since. It took 50 years, the abandonment of Gold and an attempt to combine a welfare state with a war for the fear of “risk” to resurface - in the 1970s. It took interest rates which reflected that fear of risk in the MARKET to get it to subside. It did, in the early 1980s. Then came the era of serial credit “bubbles”.

Blowing The Door Off Its Hinges:

The Global Financial Crisis (GFC), and particularly the “authorities’” reaction to it, has done more than just open the door again to the money machinations which are built into the foundation of modern government. It has laid that entire mechanism bare for anyone to see. But look at what has happened during most of the three decades since the beginning of the “Reagan Bull” in 1982. Twenty-five years of recurrent market booms anaesthetised an entire generation. In the process, the obvious truths that savings must precede investment and that wealth is not a function of the creation of money were buried beneath an avalanche of transfer payments and “bull” (in BOTH senses of the word) markets.

It is hard to awaken from such a long period under the influence of “authorities”. These things take time.

The Mechanism Itself:

To illustrate how pervasive the mechanism is and how it has long since been taken for granted, only one fact is necessary. Since 1931, there have been a grand total of SIX financial years when the funded debt of the US Treasury did not increase. These were fiscal 1947, 1948, 1951, 1956, 1957 and 1960. The US federal government has not run a budget surplus for 50 years. Under the original theory concocted by the “authorities” and elevated to economic holy writ by Mr Keynes, governments can compensate for any slowdown in the economy by spending more than they tax. Then, when the magic bullet of government “stimulus” has done its work, they can pull in their horns and diminish their debt. Governments “can” do that, but the US government hasn’t actually done it for 50 years. The Clinton “surpluses” of the late 1990s are a myth, of course, concocted by applying the “surplus” generated by social security funds to the government’s bottom line. There are no social security “funds”, the entire pile is composed of non-marketable Treasury IOUs which can only be serviced and/or repaid by the productive capacity of this and future generations.

For many years, we here at The Privateer (and many others) have been explaining the mechanism by which the production of real wealth has progressively been taken over by the production of “purchasing power”. The onset of the GFC exposed these mechanisms to public scrutiny to an extent not seen since the 1970s, or before that, the 1930s. The GFC itself, especially in nations (such as the US) where its impact has been most sorely felt, has greatly increased two things so far. One is the ever growing unease and indignation of the public. The other is the lengths to which the “authorities” will go to keep the REAL reasons for the present malaise away from pubic view and, above all, from public understanding.

Now What?:

The first answer to that question was given on August 10 when the FOMC announced that the Fed would NOT be shrinking its balance sheet as it has promised to do ever since it massively expanded it almost two years ago. On top of that, the FOMC let it be known that the Fed would resuscitate its quantitative easing QE) program of directly monetising Treasury debt.

On August 27, Ben Bernanke expanded on the Fed’s future plans at his Fed symposium speech at Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Mr Bernanke began by startling his listeners, telling them that the Fed would do “all that it can” to rekindle confidence in the “mechanism” (financial system). His listeners, both inside and outside the conference room, had long since assumed that there is nothing that the Fed can’t do. The Fed’s “omnipotence” is a foundation stone in the entire edifice of trust in the “authorities”. Nothing would rock this more than a revelation that there ARE things the Fed can’t do.

To stave this off, Mr Bernanke listed three things that the Fed can still do. It can buy “more” long-term securities. It can reduce the interest rate it charges on excess reserves to get the banks to lend them instead of storing them with the Fed. And finally, it can “modify the Committee’s (the  FOMCs) communication”. Let’s take the first two. When the FOMC announced that the Fed WAS going to buy more long-term securities on August 10, they admitted that the first foray into QE hadn’t worked. When Mr Bernanke talked about reducing rates charged on Fed reserves, he neglected to mention that existing rates have been at 0.25 percent ever since the Lehman scare of 2008.

The third future task for the Fed , “modifying communication”, is one known by “authorities” in all ages and times. Today, when they speak about doing it themselves they call it “public relations” or, less politely, “spin”. When they speak about other authorities doing it, they call it  “propaganda”, or more impolitely “disinformation” or still more impolitely “lies”.

The Fed’s real message was delivered on September 1 by departing White House chief economist Christina Romer. She said that the US needed to find the “political will” for more economic stimulus.

The Only “Solution” Left?:

For months now, Nobel prize winning economists, eminent educators, individuals in charge of $US TRILLIONS of investment “capital”, and political “authorities” of all sizes, shapes and descriptions have been unanimous in one message. The “system” can be fixed easily. We have discovered that we didn’t print enough money. No problem. Just print more, preferably MUCH more!

Here’s how Christina Romer put it during her speech to the National Press Club: “The only sure-fire ways for policymakers to substantially increase aggregate demand in the short run are for the government to spend more and tax less. ...I desperately hope that policymakers on both sides of the aisle will find a way to finish the job of economic recovery”.

Ms Romer, one of the chief architects of President Obama’s 2009 stimulus package, has resigned her position as the chair of the President’s Council of Economic Advisors, effective on September 3. Once an “authority”, always an “authority” - she is returning to “academe” by returning to her old job as an economics professor at the University of California, Berkeley. While she was there, she was engaged in research on fiscal and monetary policy from the 1930s to the present. Mr Bernanke would approve.

The Political Will:

Yahoo in the US described the speech as a plea that the US find the “political will” for further stimulus. This is in itself very revealing indeed, especially given Ms Romer’s contention that the only way to “fix” the problem is for the US to “spend more and tax less”. Politically, this has been the only solution resorted to in the US for at least half a century. What is never mentioned by all those who so glibly push this solution to the problem is the reason why the US has been able to get away with it for so long.

To do so would risk moving the debate to the area where the “authorities” dare not go. That is the area of the nature of the global financial system and, even more fundamentally, the nature of the “money” which underpins it. When a government spends more and taxes less, they go ever more heavily into debt. For a “normal” government, this process can only continue until the obvious risk factor shows up in the interest rates they have to pay on their borrowings. At that point, they have no choice but to pull in their horns.

The US government is different because the US Dollar is the world’s reserve. Because it is the world’s reserve, it has a global demand as the underpinning for financial systems everywhere. Yes, it is true that non US central banks are holding increasing amounts of other currencies in their reserves. But the basic system as hammered out at Bretton Woods in 1944 has NOT been altered. The US Dollar remains the world’s only official reserve currency. That means that the US is the only country that can buy goods with debt paper created by their Treasury and payable in “money” created by their central bank.

You have likely read this before - in The Privateer and in many other places. No matter how many times it is repeated, this remains the most important FACT which is never discussed by “authorities”. The issue is not the political will of the US government to go on spending beyond its means, it is the political will of the rest of the world to go on accepting the unworkable global system indefinitely. They will not do it.

A Vested Interest In AUTHORITY:

From time immemorial, the “authorities” in charge of political and economic policy in a nation have clung to “remedies” that would not work - even though they KNEW they would not work. We started this essay with one example. There are countless more. Once you understand this, you will know that “authority” is NEVER to be trusted, no matter how many adhere to it or how long it seems to have “worked”. The only viable alternative to more authority is LESS authority, and therefore more freedom.

Today, no “authority” in the world wants to discuss that. Least of all the ones in the USA.

h/t Robert

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hedgeless_horseman's picture

Stick it to the man, bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hedgeless_horseman's picture

Political will?  Ha!  Mark it infinity, Dude.

MsCreant's picture

Sorry Hedgeless,


OT

Jim Rickards says the Fed has a golden bullet. Gradually let the price of gold go up to $2,000 or more, sell the gold out of Fort Knox, and instantly get inflation as people jump out of dollars and buy stuff.

Starts at 15:40.

OMFG!

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/9/4_Jim_Rickards.html

Kali's picture

Wow!  Thanks MsCreant.  I step out into the garden for a couple of hours and look what happens.  Very interesting indeed!

lynnybee's picture

I really enjoyed this posting. I liked the use of the word, "folly" . It reminds me of HUGH HENDRY'S words :  "The banks have been involved in gross folly.   Let them go to the wall.   Let them fail."     Well, if the banks were involved in "gross folly", why are my dear children & grandchildren going to suffer ?     It's time to take back our country for the sake of the younger generation.   VIVA ICELAND !

shortus cynicus's picture

Iceland will not pay banksters debt, and they has geothermal energy.

I suppose, in some years we will se peace keeping troops in Iceland. Let them learn democracy.

Oh, do you know, some say they have seen Bin Laden hiding in Icelandic saunas.

So, what are we waiting for?

Hall 9000's picture

"Herodotus writes that when Dienekes, a Spartan soldier, was informed that Persian arrows would be so numerous as "to block out the sun", he retorted, unconcerned; "So much the better...then we shall fight our battle in the shade."[141]

Monkey Craig's picture

I'm not following. Are you suggesting we need armed revolution?

Hall 9000's picture

 

It's a metaphor.

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

Sun-Tzu (~400 BC)

 

 

 

 

 

Johnny Bravo's picture

So you use a Greek quote about "fighting in the shade" and then explain it with a Sun Tzu quote that says that fighting to overcome is less important than persuasion.

I think that you're just putting up the two quotes you know, hoping to sound intelligent.

Gully Foyle's picture

Johnny Bravo

Batiatus: That shit fuck! Beckons me to the city only to sperm me like a thin wasted? whore. Once again the gods spread the cheeks and ram cock in fucking ass!

Hall 9000's picture

I concede I am no match for such  clever sallies of wit.....

"That shit fuck! Beckons me to the city only to sperm me like a thin wasted? whore. Once again the gods spread the cheeks and ram cock in fucking ass!"

Gully Foyle's picture

Hall 9000

Spartacus Blood and Sand, modern American mythology at it's best, just like Deadwood.

AssFire's picture

HAL,

Your data bank of cheesy quotes does not compute.

Using relevance and pertinence might help you look smarter the next time you paste someone's quotes.

Oh, original thought is also appreciated.

Gully Foyle's picture

AssFire

To each his own. I'm sure people have said worse about you, both behind your back and too your face.

That thought gives me comfort.

AssFire's picture

I'm sure someone has blown a load in your face.

That thought gives me laughter.

traderjoe's picture

If you can't say anything nice, why say it at all? Do personal attacks really add any value to the conversation?

Johnny Bravo's picture

Do two quotes that have no relation whatsoever to one another add anything relevant to the conversation?

I'm just saying.. 

LMAO's picture

 

Does asking us if two quotes that have no relation whatsoever to one another add anything relevant to the conversation, add anything relevant to the conversation?

And YES!!! I am just saying that I'm adding to the conversation that I'm not adding anything relevant to the conversation .

 

LMAO

Gully Foyle's picture

LMAO

The real problem is because one does not perceive a link between two quotes or how they relate to the conversation does not mean that others suffer from the same fault.

Some people are far too linear for their own good.

Johnny Bravo's picture

Maybe it's because one quote talks about fighting as much as you can, despite overwhelming odds, and the other quote talks about avoiding fighting altogether if you can.

In fact, nothing in Sun Tzu's philosophy even remotely relates to the first quote about fighting in the shade.
He would avoid war altogether, and win instead by persuasion or sabotage.

It's not another example of the first quote.

The person that wrote this has no understanding of the true meaning of the Art of War.

Maniac Researcher's picture

I found the reference to the Nazis out of place as well. But then again, the Third Reich is used arrogantly quite often these days. I'm sure these untrained historians think they are doing a great service by making such hamhanded comparisons.

Or perhaps maybe it was bone being thrown to all the Stormfront trolls that have been popping up like mushrooms here lately. Got to play to your audience, eh?

Uncle Remus's picture

Then again, the more things change...

puckles's picture

MR, I believe that the point being made re the Nazis is that their supreme folly of lying to one another to the point that they all, somewhat, believed it, led to their downfall via Stalingrad, which was doubtless the turning point of the war (with no decisive assistance from the Allies at that point).  Indeed, it could be argued that had the Allies simply stood aside and allowed the Germans to fully engulf themselves in the maw of the Soviet meat grinder, we might never have needed to proceed to the Normandy landings.  But that would have led to a very different postwar world, in all likelihood.

i.knoknot's picture

tnx, puckles - that's how i read it as well, and the relevance and parallels to today struck me as quite sobering.

but i'm not as bright as many in here clearly are... sheeeeesss

Maniac Researcher's picture

..and I believe you missed my point that the Nazis are brought up ad nauseum by you and your cohorts.

robobbob's picture

enemy propagandist: "Our force of arms is vastly superior and overwhelming, you cannot win, you should quit now"

response: our training, dedication, and ability to create historically memorable quotes is superior, so, no

Sun Tsu: Possessing superior overwhelming force is good, being more intelligent, clever, and dedicated is better

conclusion: possession of intelligence is superior to perceived strength. The Fed and CB's of the world possess superior and overwhelming force, but as a group, are an integral part of supporting a charade and propagating a terminally ill, and ultimately unsustainable system. Superior force, but subjugated to supporting an inferior idea. Hence, a folly, and the tie in with the examples from the article.

Hall 9000's picture

"Polybius made a case that Scipio's successes resulted from good planning, rational thinking and intelligence, which he said was a higher sign of the Gods favour than prophetic dreams."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scipio_Africanus

Hall 9000's picture

Johnny Bravo wrote:

putting up the two quotes you know....hoping to sound intelligent."

Yes I did spake with the black dodge.

Breakout the popcorn Bitchzz!!!.


deathwing's picture

exactly... the use violence is the residue of strategic FAILURE in any medium. The case through history it is best described as the failure of old men to realize they can't hold their cushy positions of power and are more than happy to expend the lives of their own young to as useless resources.

We are rapidly approaching the point of total failure. Not so import will be why you "fight" but whom and how (objectives).

 

RockyRacoon's picture

I quote from the Progressive platform: 'Behind the ostensible Government sits enthroned an invisible Government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.... This country belongs to the people. Its resources, its business, its laws, its institutions, should be utilized, maintained, or altered in whatever manner will best promote the general interest.' This assertion is explicit. We say directly that 'the people' are absolutely to control in any way they see fit, the 'business' of the country. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1913

AnAnonymous's picture

exactly... the use violence is the residue of strategic FAILURE in any medium.

 

 

Does not seem to fit when you market your capability to violence. Exerting violence is such not a failure but a sucess in proving your actions can match your words.

It is very important as the US has proven over this last crisis that they do market violence as one of their primary export goods. This is how the USD currency is backed.

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Point: the economists are certainly not the only ones to test a reality against a hypothetical alternative. It is a large trend in the West to explain how the rule of the West is the best and should absolutely not threatened or questioned fundamentally.

Economists are no special here. In the West, we no longer discuss reality but hypothetical alternatives that only exist to depict our ways of doing as the only ones.

A very common in the West behaviour.

AssFire's picture

these quotes make perfect sense if you know the wisdom of Mike Tyson:"I want to rip out his heart and feed it to Lennox Lewis. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children."

 

Bam_Man's picture

Sorry, but the only Mike Tyson quote worth repeating is "Everyone has a plan, until they get hit."

snowball777's picture

Mofos never had to deal with a predator drone.

MsCreant's picture

I think this makes for a whole new ballgame in "enforcement" as well.

A Nanny Moose's picture

Whenever I hear the "modern" excuse, it makes me think of the Fisher Space Pen vs. the Russian Pencil legend. Sure, the USSR is no more, but the lesson is still valid.

Since the pen is mightier than the sword, we should consider that ultimately, all conflict begins and ends at the negotiating table. Let's skip the nonsense in between shall we?

Uncle Remus's picture

What are you going to negotiate?

MsCreant's picture

Nanny,

Our own government WILL use the drones against us. Count on it. Surveillance, chase, and probably they will be armed. I do not doubt this. We need to get a grip on things before the rest of the population passively accepts them as just how things are. Immigration is the issue that they will use to break us in and get us used to it. It is not fiction. It will be a disaster and worse than science fiction ever could hope to be. 

StychoKiller's picture

Apparently, my tin-foil beanie is nowhere near as tight as yours!  A simple belt clamp ain't cuttin' it.

MsCreant's picture

They are using drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan against civilians and other targets.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-09/05/c_13478717.htm

Over in Europe, surveillance is exceedingly common, and New York is looking to immulate it. So is Huston and Chicago has it.

http://dnainfo.com/20100511/manhattan/mayor-michael-bloomberg-looks-bring-londons-ring-of-steel-midtown

http://www.dnainfo.com/20100831/manhattan/new-nyc-subway-cars-get-security-cameras

http://www.newsnet14.com/2010/08/27/homeland-security-thanks-chicago-for-10000-public-and-private-surveillance-cameras-to-beat-crime/

They are starting to use drones as a way to patrol the borders.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i62b7VF4r3TUnsAGAvBsYHkGof0w

Now let me ask you something, if they are willing to lie, cheat, and steal from us, fabricate and manipulate data, why is my conclusion, that they WILL use drones against us, far fetched? Get it, please, these people have NO CONSCIENCE.

i.knoknot's picture

+++ and to help confirm your fine point, MS, let's suggest the inverse logic:

pray tell, why would the US *not* use drones against its own?

ironically noting that this very holiday was created to quiet a ruffled US populace after US troops killed striking union workers in 1894...

we've gladly encamped/killed our own, based on race (japanese, germans, etc.), when we fought their homelands, etc.

what make you think in this world of black/white populistic MSM-driven sheeple, that this could not happen today?

add to that thought, the reality that those sheeple's opinions on things related policy amounts to a hill of beans these days (health-care reform, fin-reg, etc.).

there's what folks wish to see, and there's what really is.

never say never...

FYI, just plated my tin-foil with 300 micron gold. much cooler now.

Max Hunter's picture

Since the pen is mightier than the sword, we should consider that ultimately, all conflict begins and ends at the negotiating table. Let's skip the nonsense in between shall we?

Although I consider this idea to be profound, I wonder if it is our choice to change things without a violent revolt. The control mechanisms in place now are as strong as they are pervasive.  How I hope your idea can be the choice of our generation for change.

I remember an old saying when I was a kid, it went like this: Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up quicker..

Hansel's picture

Gold is decentralized money, the central bank abolisher.

thesapein's picture

Often, just looking for the post with a single junk reveals the best comments. Kudos!