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Wikileaks Latest: The USA As An Exporter Of Terrorism?
The latest release by Wikileaks, this time focusing on tha CIA, asks what happens if its understood that the US is an exporter of terrorism:
This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will
happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an
exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export
of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been
associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern,
African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American
belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens
the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report
looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by
US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It
concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of
Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may
lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA
officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence
with the United States.
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rotflol really Spitzer? Ok you got me. The US is perfect. The gov has never and will never do anything wrong, illegal or immoral. Jesus himself has granted us dispensation. Every drop of blood we spill has a special pass, after all the kids we bomb in Pakistan would have become the next Hitler. Doing God's work one kill at a time! In fact the world should all get on their knees and pray to us for being so awesome and saving them from themselves. Imagine a world without the US invading, killing, and rampaging...it's not a world any decent person would want. And remember if we don't kill people then the terrorists won...sure we funded them on record but hey they can't win!
/sarcasm
/applause/
Well put Shameful...
Don't worry Spitzer. Julian is not a pedophile rapist.
so, relax. You don't have any further competition in that realm.
I agree that the people around the world and at home are slowly awakening to the lies, double standards, imperialism, false flags, and ineptness of US manipulations around the world. However, our illicit and incompetent actions in South and Central America (as a wide example) have been known for some time. Oh, wait a Kardashian re-run is on...gotta run...
Right. Just like Robert McNamara's assessment about the Gulf of Token....wait....did you say boobies and booties? What channel?
For those who aren't too distracted by the boob tube, you might like to read
"Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq" by Stephen Kinzer
Exporter of debt! Bitchez!
I'm not seeing why this is secret. It's just logical thought and isn't about anything.
But I bet it cost $50m to produce.
Remember, these are the same people who classified a Bow and Arrow as military secrets in WWII.
Yes. Nor is it accusing the US *GOVERNMENT* of terrorism or support for terrorism, as many of the commenters here seem to believe. It's simply making the point that many US *CITIZENS* have no moral compass or ethical standards whatsoever and will happily support or (even join) terrorist groups that stand against every single principle the United States was founded on.
Hey, you actually read the document!
That would seem to be a critical detail, wouldn't it? But let's not spoil everyone's fun.
What if foreigners realize that the US has been full of shit in its foreign policy for the the last 300 years?
Frankly, I think any country that has been entangled with us in any meaningful way already understands this.
We used to have a perceived moral high-ground with the populace of countries where we hadn't yet charged in like a bull in the china shop, but then we decided to torture a bunch of nude arabs while taking snapshots and swearing up and down that this was a perfectly legitmate thing for "freedom-loving" Westerners to do. So not so much with the moral high ground any more.
This is why the US was founded on principle and not foreign policy.
Amazing what has happened now that principle has been abandoned comprehensively and affirmed by all branches of government in lieu of money.
...ummm... makes the seach for substance more important than ever... the constitution was concieved and written with the understanding that the US is one in quality -- not quantity... and the main quality we embody is freedom... we are the sum of qualities... its up to each individual which qualties to express..
Just ask the Native American-Indian.
I can't find any. Wonder where they went?
I seen a few at Ho-Chunk Casino in the dells last week.
The last Indian settlement in Pennsylvania was relocated to New York in 1964. A flood control dam was to be built on the Allegheny River and the one and only place suitable for that dam just happened to be where the Indians lived. Run of bad luck, I suppose.
I lost my patriotic cherry in 1970. Operation Menu. I was a flight line guy and our sorties went out heavy, returned light. It was common knowledge where the ordinance was being placed, but no mention of it in the Stars and Stripes, no mention in the media, later denied. From that period on I took any "information" with a strong dose of cynicism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu
A former supervisor of mine was flying in a B52 over Soviet airspace when Eisenhower "Officially" denied that the US was overflying Soviet airspace...
This is a direct attack on the Kennedy clan wing of the Democrat party, and against most of the New England and New York Irish-American Democrat party elite.
None of the info in this memo is new news to even the most casual of intelligence and defense newsforum readers. Even fools who follow stratfor.com know all of this.
However, logic of the memo directly contradicts the Obama administrations removal of rules restricting and vetting visas for travellers from certain Islamic , Tamil, Cuban, and NORK regions.
"What if the UNited States see foreigners as exporters of terrorism?" is just as relevant a question... and Obama has been pitiful in responding to this issue.
Why do you think this is a partisan thing? Both parties do it pretty much equally.
This is not partisan, this criticism is of a specific policy that Obama personally had changed at the request of the Saudi Foreign Ministry.
I'll be bipartisan... Smedley Butler was a fine man who wrote and spoke bluntly and forcefully about this.... in the 1930's.
Reagan had Iran Contra, Bush I continued the drug wars in Colombia and neighboring countries. blah blah blah
This memo is a possible forgery... it's too dumb to be real...
I've seen some speculation that Assange is a spook. I have no evidence one way or the other, just sayin'.
Maybe he is but the people behind him count. He is not single handedly responsible for wiki, don't you think?
I would assume that if Assange is a CIA operative in charge of a classified operation then it would be his job to manage the message and handle any underlings whether they are in the know or not.
I find it hard to believe that the group that blew Carbon Taxes out of the water with a single well-publicised leak just before Copenhagen last year -- with the leaks of the scientists' emails -- is any friend of TPTB, NWO, or the Red/Blue Tag Team.
I'm also surprised that Geopol hasn't shown up here yet with his usual ad hominems against Assange.
i-dog,,
My dear friend,,Assange is a tool,,,you think he has exposed the evil,,just a diversion for the company, CIA,,
It's romantic,,but not what you think,,he is playing with the private group in your government that was the same group and extension of Operation Northwoods...
Geopol,
Thank you for your polite reply ... but it contains nothing factual.
Firstly, it is not "my" government that runs the CIA (Cocaine Importing Agency) ... It is yours.
Secondly, Operation Northwoods was carried out 9 years before Assange was even born!! Guilt by association (with his parents? neighbours?) holds no water other than as a possible starting point to look further. For example, I accept absolutely no responsibility for whatever my parents may (or may not) have done 50 years ago in the very same city where Assange grew up.
While I appreciate your very strong voice for 911 truth and other aspects of the corrupt western "democratic" governments and their anglo-germanic-aristocratic puppet masters, I do not share your collectivist solutions and would very much like you to share some hard evidence (or deductive reasoning) of Assange's so-called links to the PTB rather than further ad hominems.
Now your attempting to engage me in time consuming tutoring on your behalf.
My stern advise is, read up.
Young i-dog
"Young i-dog"
You really are the master of ad hominem, aren't you!?!
Don't talk down to me: I'm only 2 years younger than you.
As for research, unless you can point me to a better source, there is enough on the internet. Firstly, this does not look like the childhood of a family operative being groomed by your CIA:
Secondly, this amply demonstrates his anti-establishment credentials:
Thirdly, Wikileaks has published a number of important leaks that have been very damaging to the NWO cause:
1. The "Climategate" emails that single-handedly blew Carbon Taxes out of the water ... just as the Copenhagen conference had seemed to be a fait accompli to those arranging it ... and damaged the reputations of leading anthropogenic global warming researchers.
2. NATO's plans for the Afghan war.
3. The operations manual for the US detention centre in Guantanamo Bay, which revealed it was American policy to hide some prisoners from the International Committee of the Red Cross and use dogs to intimidate inmates.
4. The secret video shot by an American attack helicopter of Iraqi civilians and a Reuters photographer being mown down, apparently in cold blood.
5. The 75,000 documents demonstrating US involvement in heroin production, civilian massacres and double-dealing with Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
Yet you have put nothing forward other than shrill denunciations of Assange on every talk show and forum. Is it professional jealousy? Or some other agenda?
It sure doesn't smell right to me.
You really are the master of ad hominem, aren't you!! No,,not just ad hominem..your trying to confine my global scope..shamful..
Northwoods was before wikileaks founder's birth... so?
Times Square” embodies a number of criteria which I believe derive directly from the 9/11 events. 9/11 was an example of state-sponsored, false-flag, synthetic terrorism, hereinafter called synthetic terrorism. The general thesis in my circles is that the 9/11 events were organized and directed by a rogue network of high government and military officials of the United States, with a certain participation by the intelligence agencies of Britain and Israel, and with a more general backup from the intelligence agencies of the other Echelon states(Australia, New Zealand, Canada). This US network represents the current form of the Dulles Brothers-Lemnitzer-Landsdale network of the early 1960s, of the Bay of Pigs-Kennedy assassination-Gulf of Tonkin networks of a slightly later era, and of the invisible government/secret government/parallel government/shadow government that was widely understood to have been the prime mover of the Iran-contra affair. The 9/11 rogue network subsumed some of the asteroids of the 1990s, that is to say, the privatized intelligence enterprises operating under Reagan’s executive order 12333. The September criminals were financiers, top-level bureaucrats, flag-rank military officers, top intelligence officials, and technical specialists; the prime focus of their operations was in all probability a series of private sector locations, where confidentiality could be best assured by excluding elements loyal to the constitution. It is therefore probably misleading to think of people like Cheney as the hand-on field commanders of the terrorist forces of 9/11, although Cheney appears to have been complicit in other ways. Bush was expendable enough to undergo an assassination attempt that morning; he owes his continued tenure in office to his speedy capitulation to the demands of the September criminals. As time has gone on, Bush has undoubtedly learned something more about the invisible government he allowed to take over his administration. By 2004, Bush had to be considered as witting as it was possible for a person of his faculties to be about the basic facts of terrorism.
Because of the wretched performance of the Kean-Hamilton 9/11 commission, many well established facts and timelines pertaining to 9/11 have been blurred and defaced. The 9/11 commission has corrupted and confused public awareness of the basic facts of 9/11 far more than it has enhanced it. It is a rule of thumb for researchers that some of the most revealing information on a cataclysmic event like 9/11 generally becomes available in media reports in the immediate aftermath of the event. This is before the editors and producers have fully assimilated the party line of the oligarchy on what has happened, so they may well publicize facts which are incompatible with the official, mythical version of events. As time goes by, such heuristic revelations become rarer, although they may yet inflict fatal blows on the official story, particularly if the official story is beginning to break up. The 9/11 commission represents the triumph of oligarchical scholasticism, the embalming of what had been a living tragedy into a smoothed-over textbook account from which virtually all of the truth has been drained.
Against the backdrop of these confused alarms of war, a group of intelligence community provocateurs calling themselves Wikileaks saw fit to publish a document dump of more than 90,000 low level specimens of US cable traffic from Afghanistan, primarily of the secret and sub-secret classifications. No scandals against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Obama, Biden, Gates, or any other top officials were contained among these dispatches. Instead, the documents tend to support the CIA’s thesis that ‘Osama bin Laden’ is an actual living person and a powerful enemy of the United States– a manifest absurdity. Assange is also on record as saying that he finds challenges to the US official story of September 11, 2001 an annoyance.17 Assange’s actions are evidently inspired by some combination of George Soros, Cass Sunstein, and Samantha Power of the Obama National Security Council. A separate essay on this important theme will be forthcoming shortly.
For the moment it is enough to note that the mental strategic map which emerges from the Wikileaks document dump faithfully mirrors the intentions of some of the most dangerous factions in the US intelligence community. The interpretations of the document dump which were conveniently trumpeted by such ruling class news organs as the New York Times, the London Guardian, and Der Spiegel of Germany conveniently stress that the Afghanistan war is futile, while the real enemies of the United States and the Western world in general are the treacherous backstabbers of Pakistan who support the Taliban and kill American soldiers, and of course the Iranians, who do everything possible to defeat the US presence in the areas of western Afghanistan closest to their borders. In short, anyone creating an imperialist policy on the basis of the lessons of the Wikileaks document dump would tend to converge on something like the Devine plan, along with vigorous measures against both Pakistan and Iran. The much-touted document dump, which has been abundantly publicized by the controlled media of the world, is thus revealed as a CIA mind control operation in the tradition of Daniel Ellsberg and the 1971 Pentagon papers, which was a similar limited hang out of self-serving disinformation by the spook community, designed to manipulate public opinion.
Yet you have put nothing forward other than shrill denunciations of Assange on every talk show and forum. Is it professional jealousy, or something else?
You be the judge..You know what opinions are..Take yours with you..
I'm reminded of a conversation Winston Churchill engaged in with Lady Astor,,,She said, If you where my husband I'd poison that drink,, Winston replied, If you where my wife I'd drink it..
A nice long story on 911, which I fundamentally agree with (except that you don't state the true motive). But no links at all to Assange in that long essay.
Then, in relation to the recent leak, you simply assert that Assange "must" be a CIA operative because: "No scandals against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Obama, Biden, Gates, or any other top officials were contained among these dispatches". Have you not considered that the "low level" source of the leaked battlefield dispatches did not have access to the higher level stuff that would have implicated your named front men? And even they are still only front men for the real powers that have the vested interest in Afghanistan (and Burma).
On your radio show this weekend, you again attempted to link Assange to Anne Hamilton-Byrne with some nonsense about blonde hair. He was 9 years old when his mother met and had her shotgun wedding to the musician-member of AHB's group, and he was 11 years old when she broke up with the muso and went into hiding for 5 years, taking her 2 sons with her. Assange then left home at age 16 and started his IT and hacking exploits. That is such a short straw that you should be ashamed of solely relying on it to smear him.
Again, you provide no facts in relation to Assange ... only innuendo and insults.
As Assange has said: "Wikileaks has released more classified documents than the rest of the world press combined. That's not something I say as a way of saying how successful we are – rather, that shows you the parlous state of the rest of the media. How is it that a team of five people has managed to release to the public more suppressed information, at that level, than the rest of the world press combined? It's disgraceful."
A nice long story on 911, which I fundamentally agree with (except that you don't state the true motive)
9/11 Synthetic terrorism made in USA...My book,,,,no motive??? you are insane / never read the book...no doubt..
Assange has said: "Wikileaks has released more classified documents than the rest of the world press combined. Not True That's not something I say as a way of saying how successful we are – rather, that shows you the parlous state of the rest of the media. How is it that a team of five people has managed to release to the public more suppressed information, at that level, than the rest of the world press combined? It's disgraceful."
That is a slap in the face of all the truth movement energy that has been expended over the years.including ZH. Not the MSM
How well did he protect his sources??? That kid goes to the gulag for life..Bradley Manning.. Maybe you can take his place so as to protect your hero Assange..
Again, no substance ... only insults.
Assange didn't out Manning ... Manning outed himself by bragging to his mates.
"Slap in the face to the truth movement"!?! ... you can take it that way if you want, but most of the truth movement slaps themself in the face by focussing on UFOs, Mayan prophecies and bible-bashing interspersed with real truth. Only Alex Jones and Max Keiser seem to stay focussed on their respective microscopes into the truth. ZH is a mixed bag of very intelligent commentators of all persuasions alongside tired teenagers and brainwashed drones.
Assange gained a great deal of credibility in my book exactly because he was clever enough to release the Afghan battlefield stuff through the NWO's most prominent MSM organs - where it couldn't be summarily dismissed by the neo-cons - instead of just dumping it on the internet to be picked up by teenagers and new media. He could not control how the MSM spun it, but he gained many new links to the Wikileaks site where the full content was available for all to scan for whichever aspects they might be interested in. You were looking for evidence of Cheney and Bush, I was looking for evidence of protection of the opium/heroin trade, others were looking for evidence of civilian massacres, only the MSM were looking for Bin Laden.
No, I haven't read your book. What is it called?
9/11 Synthetic terrorism made in USA
If you can read a long book..
Sigh .... Old habits die hard, don't they?
FYI, "synthetic terrorism" is not a motive, it is a means. But I'll have a look at your book to see if you actually do get into any substance beyond conjecture, innuendo and insults.
So you admit no knowledge of my work.....
It is a motive,,,Now your tiring me out,,,I'm done with you!!! Put yourself out in the world and see how they are treating me and my family....
As you are not anyone, I, or anyone ELSE have encountered in the truth movement that will put themselves on the front lines and be marginalized and threatened.
I have the right to bestow on you the following:
FUCK YOU!!
Thats an insult,,You cockroach...
I'm sorry to see that your charm school was bombed before you could graduate!
I can understand how your public position on 9-11 has upset those who would harm you and your family ... which is exactly why I prefer to use anonymous (hah! ... as if that were possible!) persuasion in a number of forums and under different pseudonyms each time. Even so, I still look out for the black SUV.............
You really need to take a chill pill rather than continually relying on insults to attempt to bully your way through a conversation.
As I tell my daughter and grandchildren: "When you lose your temper, you lose the argument". You might take it on board, too.
Take care!
Take care??? You sound so rational,charm school and little suspenders for you I suppose, you do your grandchildren a disservice with that dishonesty...Man up!! Take Bradley Manning's place...He outed himself!!! SURE
Fuck You!!
I've done my bit, and have been arrested in a number of countries. But I have no time for bullies ... which means that they either get demoted or lose their job when they try it on me.
As I have told others: "Don't fight me ... you'll lose!"
Wow, I'm sad to see you've lost your temper..Your charm school has it's limits
You lose..
And,, Fuck You
You where arrested because your a rookie..
P.S. Hey fuck stick, start another thread,,,no room here...
I know ... it's hard to read words one character at a time down the edge of the screen. :)
This is enough for now. I'll read your book before commenting further.
Now that was a class post... I love a good antagonist, and your one of them...Thanks for the counterpoint...
As was said in the ending of the movie Casablanca,,, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship..
i-dog,,Sleep well.
... und Du auch!
it doesnt even have to be this kind of covert CIA funded terrorism, a significant percentage of the world consider the illegal wars and actions of the US military under direct orders from the Government as terrorism.
junk all you like, it doesnt change the facts.
The author of the memo, CIA Agent Frank Obvious, has since been promoted to Captain.
"Whiteout" (Cockburn & St. Clair) & "Killing Hope" (Blum) document this behavior in painful detail. Everyone must read both books.
Know your enemy, bitchez!
I recommend Chomsky's book "Manufacturing Consent". Yes, he's a far leftie, but as a linguist, no one lays out government doublespeak and media complicity like he does. He illustrates domestic propaganda techniques which span all administrations and political parties very well.
I don't think it's quite fair to put Chomsky on the left vs. right scale. It's kind of the like the knee-jerk label of Ron Paul being far right... I think Chomsky and Paul are two peas in a pod... either that or I'm schizophrenic (entirely possible). I love both men equally.
Yeah, they kind of illustrate the idea that the political spectrum is actually more of a circle, where the far-right and far-left eventually meet up somewhere around libertarianism.
they either meet there (libertarianism) or somewhere else (fascism). The problem with America's "left" and "right"... 99% of each is on the wrong track... most don't even realize.
Chomsky tends to fall into the contradictory trap of "left libertarian" that still espouses authority to impose collectivism, whereas "right libertarian" is a relatively unassailable philosophy of individualism.
meh... not sure that i agree... at least with respect to Chomsky... Perhaps there exists a contradictory trap of "left libertarian" in general, but I don't think Chomsky fits there. Chomsky is more or less an anarchist... in a cool way... not a molotoff cocktail way :-). Voluntary collectivism if it floats people's boats, but not imposed... I think is where he would be coming from.
redpill,
You, sir or madam, EXACTLY nailed it.
Finally, in the year 2010, Chomsky mentions the scourge of jobs offshoring in the USA -- only two lines in a recent talk.
That, and many other subjects have been off-limits to Chomsky if he wanted to keep his tenure.
Which is why real profs and academics, honest ones with integrity like Thorstein Veblen and that fellow at the University of Colorada, were fired from their positions, and Michael Parenti as well.
Freedom of speech with consequences. They forgot to put the consequences part in the first amendment.
Peter Thiel is one of Ron Paul’s main advisors (read handler) and Mr. Thiel is a Bilderberger.
http://www.nndb.com/people/030/000124655/"Manufacturing Consent" should be required reading for any college student. (or anyone who just wants to understand how our government/media propaganda system works)
Those who believe the corporate owned media (Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc) are "independent" are living in a carefully constructed fantasy. The selective release of bogus intelligence material throughout the run up to the Iraq war is a prime example of how the government uses a complicit media to push its agenda. The false "democrat vs republican" paradigm that permeates the airways serves as a tool to limit the scope of domestic/foreign policy discussion to a narrow path of pre-approved outcomes.
I say all of this as someone who is very much in favor of free market capitalism (where the free market actually exists, unlike the corporate/government corporatism that dominates the American large-cap market.)
Ditto. For a graphical/video illustration, see part 1 (Happiness Machines) but especially part 2 (The Engineering of Consent):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self
I have Whiteout in my book collection. It's a great book.
Complement it with "Deep Black"
Propaganda, by Edward Bernays is interesting, for its historical perspective at the dawning of the Media Age.
It's well understood internationally that the US is full of shit, the problem is the US citizenry lacking awareness of this in sufficient numbers to cause the necessary cascade. Wikileaks is doing an admirable job of attempting to catalyze this cascade, but they are up against some pretty powerful forces.
Luckily being full of shit isn't an exclusive club. In fact damn near every country on the planet is a member.
This is only news to the USA...
They are above the law ...
The International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) was officially established on July 1, 2002, and is located in The Hague, The Netherlands.
The United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC is a permanent international criminal court, founded in 2002 to investigate and prosecute individuals suspected of having committed genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes.
The United States is in the unique position of having signed the Rome Statute, but formally withdrawn its current intention of ratification.
Positions in the United States concerning the ICC vary widely. The Clinton Administration signed the Rome Statute in 2000, but did not submit it for Senate ratification. The Bush Administration, the US administration at the time of the ICC's founding, stated that it would not join the ICC. When asked whether the United States should join the International Criminal Court, Barack Obama (then a Senator), stated:
They are breaking the law on a daily basis.
H.Clinton ingeniously suggested last summer
it may be time to sign the treaty, tht was before
the Drones and Task Force 373, jusr indicting those operators
for "war crimes" would require the building of a new prison in the Hague...
They have Spanish judge B.Garzon on 'loan' there
whether the United States should join the International Criminal Court
That's moving in the wrong direction. I demand less government not more government. I demand regional control not a star chamber with worldwide dominance. If American politicians commit criminal acts (If? I just made myself laugh), then the American people must rise to the task of dispensing justice.
amrka cannot be a member of the ICC and use such weaponry on populations as depleted uranium, which is genocide on a populace (Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., including US soldiers in the "fallout"). . . nor can amrka use unmanned drones on civilians at will, as is done now. . . not to mention rendition, indefinite holding of humans without charge, etc. etc.
It's sad watching the slow and deliberate destruction of your nation. I pray it's a bad dream that I will awaken from shortly.
Really? It feels wonderful to actually wake up to the fact we stopped being a great country years ago but for the propaganda.
It's old news to us...
It's news to everyone watching Faux News and MSNBS.
No mention of the hundreds of thousands of "volunteers" the US recruited, financed, trained, armed and shipped into Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Somalia, Sudan, Tibet, Xinjiang, Iraq, Iran.....etc.
In addition the CIA recruited hundreds in the US to fight our covert wars overseas. Many were American Blacks who converted to Islam. After 9/11, many were thrown under the bus by the CIA and declared traitors and terrorists.
Yes but the Dow is over 10K
"Yes but the Dow is over 10K"
+1 That's classic!
This EXOTERIC crap is classified Secret, yet we can't get a valid copy of The Messiah's birth certificate.
There are detailed images of his birth certificate all over the place, with on-the-record confirmation from Hawaiian officials up to the Repbublican governor. The available evidence is perfectly convincing to anyone who hasn't been driven insane by their political bias or racism.
I agree. Government officials don't lie. Never have and never will.
Nor will one political party ever cover for another. Never. That's impossible since they have two separate and distinct political beliefs that have nothing in common. Besides, they hate each other. Don't you watch the TeeVee?
I mean if it really was one party with two factions, you'd see the same people/organizations making donations to both parties. And you would see heads of one administration serving in the next administration, even when the political party "in control" and the President has changed.
Since we don't see that I agree with you 100%.
CD, if you don't believe that the President was born in Hawaii, my respect for you and the thoughts you express here just took a huge diver. Disappointing.
chet
I thought the latest Obama Daddy story is his Mother cheated on his Daddy. That the problem wasn't being foriegn born but his father is not the one claimed.
How the heck would anyone know such a thing? What would it change if it were true?
When one considers every source of information as equally legitimate and trustworthy, it's amazing what one ends up believing.
Damn, I lost another fan. :>)
Chet, I said no such thing but thanks for putting words in my mouth. All I talked about was the honesty of (or lack of) government and the political parties. For anyone to take what the government, corporations and/or mainstream media says at face value without a much much closer look is also disappointing.
BTW, to find confirming information or to be offered confirming information (proof some would say) within the same fawning corporate mass media cesspool that has exposed itself as bought and paid for shills doesn't count in my view as proof, regardless of the subject. I simply don't believe 95% of what I read in the MSM, regardless of the subject or party. And I'm not so sure about the final 5%.
Your comments were in response to a post about the President's brith certificate. I put two and two together.
One really can't prove a negative, so birthers will never ever be satisified. The POTUS isn't going to personally fly to the trailer of every Cletus and Buford in the country and let them physically inspect his birth certificate. So I guess you guys get your conspiracy theory.
If you doubt everything, then you know nothing.
Hey Chet!
My name's Buford (last) and I own two trailers. One we move from place to place, but the other is pretty old, so we just back the new one up close and call it a doublewide . We got an awning that stretches tweenst the two to make it cozy.
That being said, I never asked to see his birth certificate. If his mama whelped him in Tanzania while off to get one last shot of the black cock she craved, that really doesn't make him any less of an American. We're not talking reverse anchor baby thing here. His mom's an American, if she was traveling when he slipped the chute So be it.
THAT being said, he is the most utterly unqualified President this country's ever had in its history. The country he was shat out in seems moot at this point.
/funnin' on ya
When ya gonna dig the basement? I just cut a hole in the floor of my double wide and started in. Now that mama's had two more little uns, I think I'll turn it into the kids room when it's done.
Trailers are not durable structures. They only last at maximum 15 years. That's why I only use US Treasuries to build homes. They can last for 60 to 80 years before they turn to complete utter crap.
Coffee just came out my nose I laughed so hard. Thank you.
That was priceless!
Treasuries = the new "straw" bale!
++ innovation points Hephasteus.
Ahh, but talley sticks are made of strong English oak and they lasted several hundred years.
Modern materials just aren't as good as the old fashioned craftmenship.
Definitely on topic:
It's not a question of doubting everything. It comes down to not believing everything I'm told simply because I was told by an authority. My government lies and cheats me, aided and abetted by private and public corporations and the mainstream media.
I would be the king of fools, and the ultimate mark aka US citizen, to continue to believe a habitual liar. I can live a good productive and happy life without handing my belief and trust to a bunch of sociopaths.
I'm not missing out on "nothing" just because I doubt "them". I make my own reality, which is no worse than the reality handed to me by the sociopaths.
The birther thing was promoted heavily because McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, an American protectorate. It is up for grabs whether this satisfies the "native-born" clause in the Constitution. Thus, the Rovians had to make up something ten times worse as is their wont. In short, it was an attempt to Swift-boat Obama's birth.
Okay. I'm no birther. (see above post) I'm sure as hell no "rovian". But get your shit straight. If you want to find where this started, you'd do your credibility a service by looking at "clintonistas".
Jesus H. Christ. Does every fucking thing have to be Dem. vs. Rep., or can it just be chickenshit for the sake of its stench?
Woosh! The irony went right over your head! It doesn't matter a lick at this point, the purpose of a system is what it does, same with the one purportedly leading it.
The latest research is attempting to show that The Messiah was a CIA operative which would explain the many mysteries of his background including the elusive document you mention.
A pretty well researched piece by Wayne Madsen on Obama's and his family's extensive relationship with the CIA.
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/obama-all-in-the-company-part-i/
Mucho thanx for mentioning that.
I haven't read it yet, but am well enough aware that Obama's mom worked through the Ford Foundation, as did Geithner's dad.
Now, the top positions in the American intelligence directorates, from the '50s to the early '70s, were occupied by people who came through the Ford Foundation.
In fact, I believe it was Dean Rusk, who testified before the US Congress, that he continued receiving pay from the Rockefeller Foundation, which he previously worked for prior to becoming Secretary of State under Kennedy.
Two principal foundations fronting for the American intel establishment, although one could say that the Rockefeller Foundation did much more than simply front for them.
Yes, the best research begins with the conclusion and then "attempts to show" that it's true.
I preface the statement because I have not done the research and therefore cannot definitively agree with the conclusions. Unlike you I keep an open mind and do not have everything fed to me from a politician and repeat their beliefs like a parrot.
You keep an open mind that the President of the United States is a CIA operative, bred to take control of the nation? That's an open mind, alright.
There are a lot of smart people on ZH, who nontheless appear to be wasting brain cells on some pretty stupid shit.
Maybe if you did some research you might find things are not the way they always seem. Of course that would require you to alter your belief system and we cannot have that can we? Besides, the politicians say everything is kosher so we can all go back to sleep now.
You, chetski, have obviously never served in military intelligence nor any of those 16 intel agencies, nor the 17th & 18th unofficial ones....
The solution to the long term effects of their duplicity is astoundingly simple in its elegant insanity.
When you can no longer dupe them, you nuke them.
And don't for a minute ever think that when backs are against the wall, "they" (I refuse to call them "my" leaders since "they" abrogated that social contract decades ago) won't use every single means at their disposal. When "they" have nothing left to lose, "they" will act like "they" have nothing left to lose.
I think I might have to make my first tin foil hat.
Make it a good sturdy one because you're going to wear it for a good long while. The good news is that that particular style is coming (back) into fashion.
I hear the founding fathers wore not only tin foil (technically lead) under their Tricornes but they also wore it under their long johns as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricorne
Love the tin foil.
http://www.thepersonaltrainerswife.com/?p=396
if you're going to wear the hat, you have to learn the song
Tin Foil Hat song:
http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php
That's damned funny... too close to the truth actually.
Use stainless steel, it's just as shiny and keeps out magnetic fields as well!
So you betting on gambler move? All or nothing? Not yet, you have to lose a bit more and you have to mobilise all assets first to do the final leap.
Sadly, we sat down for what will turn out to be a 14 inning World Series game seven and we're barely through the second inning. Once "The Crash" hits, does everyone really think all the bad guys will take their ill gotten gains and move to Chile? That the rats will leave the ship just when the ability to force your will upon others will be at it's peak?
I don't. Still early, plenty of time for hot dogs, popcorn warm beer and 3 or 4 pitching changes.
I'm getting a different take on this. It seems more an effort to lay the groundwork for assault on civil liberties and personal freedom.
I didn't read this article as claiming covert CIA ops (homegrown terror, black ops, plants) leading to suspicion by the world; rather that as we (citizens) are allowed to be influenced by those abroad, we risk becoming a "hotbed" of terrorists, terror training ground etc., similar to the claims we make about areas like Syria for example.
Therefore, it seems to me (as an obediant flagwaving sheep) the only logical step is to increase intelligence efforts upon our own people, inside our borders. Just a nudge towards a more aggressive Dept. of Homeland Security.
Note the 9th circuit deciding we had no expectation of privacy regarding warrantless tracking devices etc.
Papers Bitchez.
Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Promote this man to General.
All you boneheads jumping to the conclusion that this paper relates to the US Goverment exporting terrorism are showing your ass.
Thank you.
I'm not trying to make the argument that our Government DOESN"T export/meddle/fuck up/interfere/plot etc....
I just don't think that's what this document is talking about.
Personally I think it does double duty. In fact, it's written so that multiple uses can be made of it depending upon the political climate and the desired outcome. Which is exactly what you'd expect from our friends at the CIA.
BTW this document has been out on the Internet for a few weeks. At least that was when I first saw it.
+1 +1 +1
At least some of us bothered to read the article.
Believable. If one is going to talk about "the US exporting terrorism", one really should mention <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio">Operation Gladio</a>.
Also, never trust a leaker.
Americans have more important things to focus on, like who's going to replace Simon Cowell and what's next for LiLo
Folks also seem off track here: the article is talking about American citizens that take jihad (or pro Israel) or other causes into their own hands and travel the world to sow "terror"
i hope that this is not a news flash. the rockefeller / bankster controlled cia planned, executed, and covered up the murder of john kennedy, robert kennedy, and martin luther king. these are just the poster boys of the many people the cia has murdered all in the name of freedom.
the cia destroyed the wtc with nanothermite. this is the bush legacy. and the obama legacy will be war in iran.
of course the usa is a terrorist state. until that wicked cia is destroyed, the usa will always be an exporter of terrorism. they were also the ones behind the viet nam war which lead the buddhist monk to set himself on fire in the famous 1963 photo.
fuck the cia, the rockefellers, and the banksters.
They got MLK because he was a paid commie, which is why his FBI records have been sealed. Americans can't handle the truth about him being a KGB paid shit-stirrer. You think men in a backroom can get away with killing a sitting president then just kill MLK for being an uppity negro and then give all the civil rights away to brown people in the end? That tin-foil helmet is cutting off circulation somewhere its needed, I think.
they were also the ones behind the viet nam war which lead the buddhist monk to set himself on fire in the famous 1963 photo.
The yellow Buddhist monk is burning brightly at the zoo
You can bring a bowl of rice and then a glass of water too.
Cream - Anyone For Tennis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB2f6-U72Zk
I like best the paragraphs that end with "(S/NF)." For example, the US only cracked down on Americans supporting the IRA after the UK agreed to support the US bombing of Libya, or that the UK used information operations against American isolationists during WWII, or that UK agents likely assassinated Nazis in the US. I would like to see the pot being stirred by "leaks" like this involving Tel Aviv or Riyadh. How about a story on Reagan selling weapons to Iran?
- how about a story on Pres. Jimmy Carter selling weapons to Iran.
The October Suprise was a GHW Bush (CIA) thing.
Is "Al-Qa'ida" just polite CIA and press shorthand for "sand nggr"?
Normal terrorist organisations have a management structure, AGMs and press releases - albeit fairly spooky ones. But what does AQ want? Everyone knew what the IRA wanted. A proper terrorist organisation needs to get its message across. From what I can tell, all AQ seem to do is to be one of the many groups who ring up after a bomb goes off and claim they did it.
I can imagine Richard Reid: "Oi, Imman, I'm like, yer know, doin it for Al Qeeda, yeah?".
"Err, would you still want to do it?".
"Oh yeah, double like".
"Erm, well....Indeed! Yes! Yes, my son. It is. Go die well."
You'd have though by now they would have sorted out their recruitment policy. Maybe had oral tests:
"Can you light a match?" or "I know you say you know how to make something explode, but do you, really?"
Calling them an organisation is probably a bit strong. It's more like there's a plethora of loosly connected inept loons with some sort of ego issue recruiting brain dead morons who end up variously setting light to themselves and then picking a fight with a Glaswegian, mutilating their own genitals or generally being held up for public ridicule for being stupid.
I hope Wikileaks can prove me wrong in future and I'll eat 'umble pie.
Elements of British and U.S. intelligence have been funding, creating, and covering for most of the terrorist acts we have been witness to over the last 50 years.(Example-Operation Gladio) From the 1993 World Trade Center bombing [run by an FBI unit] to the Mossad/MI6/CIA/ US Army hit on the Trade Center and Pentagon in 01 it is all synthetic False Flag terrorism. The present Pakistan tragedy is another sickening example of U.S. and British government manipulations. There is no “We.” The cabal is the government.
“The Corporate Government Fascist entity controls the people, brainwashes them, and keeps them docile and ignorant…
We are the patriots, they are the terrorists. Those in and around our government are the terrorists…”
Robert M. Bowman, former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development for the U.S. Air Force in the Ford and Carter administrations, a former United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel with 101 combat missions, and presidential candidate for the Reform Party in 2000.
How the heck is this junk you brainwashed fool?
That was Spitzer. He's too drunk by now to actually type words so he has resorted to simply junking anything that hints of the U. S. not being Godly.
How does anyone know these wiki-leak documents aren't made up? I've never worked in intelligence circles but this document does not look or read like any other secret//noforn document I have ever read. Its too flashy, and polished like an op-ed piece, not a serious white paper. Also, the classification markings are not consistent.
Also, did anyone bother reading the document before spouting off comments? Its not about the US government exporting anything.
Agreed. +100.
UVB-76 (dead man switch), has come to life.
Voice messages from UVB-76 are very rare. Three or four such messages have been intercepted in over twenty years of observation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27m683CMYS8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APQInCXCfSc&feature=player_embedded
Rusty,
What happened to the last link? Now I need to go buy some tinfoil.
http://i.imgur.com/bktYf.pngIs
Thanks. I think.
You've only managed to reference Wikipedia and 4chan in your posts. You need a bit of Sorcha Faal to complete the holy trinity.
None the less, I have broken out the potassium iodide, and scheduled a leave of absence from work beginning Sept. 1.
Surely a Medvedev assasination would result in nothing more than a collective Russian shrug. You might as well drown Kermit the Frog.
To try to pull off a stunt like nuking Seoul on the back of it would be......brave.
On top of that, you'd have to be a special type of fuck-nut to believe you could plan a global thermonuclear nuclear war, survive it and then live happily ever after.
And a NWO on the back of that? America can't manage any type of order in Iraq or Afghanistan. I know they've had issues with Game Theory failing to take into account that if the player wins, loses or draws they end up with 72 virgins, but it would be just the same in Houston, Londonderry, Bordeaux, Tthessaloniki and Agglethorpe.
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It sounds like Mel Gibson .........
As a native of Northern Ireland, I am more than aware of the 'export of terror' from the US.
US exports terror,
DUH!
Hate to get in this MOSH PIT, but consider the source. Wiki has an agenda, anti America. a mile long. And the only terror that come to ireland was all the irish money from america, NY, Boston et.al.
all the irish money from america, NY, Boston et.al.
Did you read the document? It said that Americans with ties to Ireland sent money that was used in terrorist activities. Why would you cast aspersions on wikileaks for releasing a particular document and then posit an echo of that document as being the truth?
Maybe he just pulled a tube & forgot???
Another dud from Wikileaks. It's already well established, and has been for some time now, that the US often creates the very same terrorism they end up "fighting".
Wake me when Wikileaks actually releases something important, something even on par with what the general blogosphere comes up with every day practically. I doubt they ever will, and until they do, I will continue to believe Wikileaks is actually a CIA operation with a globetrotting spokesman, not a real whistleblower and truthseeking operation.
And the ramp job begins in earnest, sure to close 100 points to the positve.
Tyler...i got to tell u this ...WIKILEAKS is a CIA front......and they dont publish anything new at all