Wikileaks Next Target: "A Big US Bank"

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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:01 | 762871 etrader
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JPM  BOA or Citi

Take your pick  on which cup the ball is under :-)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:53 | 763050 B9K9
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Either way, it really doesn't matter. In fairly short order, the central state(s) will no longer have sufficient resources in which to enforce existing security paradigms. We're just going through the respective end-game motions before things really begin to get interesting.

The kick-the-can game has always been about buying enough time in order for science to come up with some new growth formula. The only possible way out was to increase our net global energy utilization - by any means necessary. Absent that, we are going to finally meet our collective destiny.

The same-old, same-old about (you pick) the PTB are clueless, you can't get out of debt by incurring more debt, etc, elicit nothing more than a 'no shit' shrug from those who are capable of understanding what is actually occurring. Ben didn't score a perfect 1600 on his SAT by possessing an intellect that would mistakenly believe the Irish (or anyone else) are/were going to accept paying higher taxes & receiving lower benefits as a medium/long term solution.

The open source hits are beginning to come from a wide spectrum of different actors. No need to be an iniator however - just noodle out where increasing societal chaos leads. If you wanna stay, study up on the situation in Mexico. If you wanna get out, figure out how to erase your identity.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:57 | 763234 Rusty Shorts
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"Exactly. Which is why most people I know think they can ignore the math and everything will be okay. They fight the very idea that there is a real decline in quality of life, that it is permanent, and that it will continue to deteriorate. As Michele added above: "Apres moi, le deluge." Everyone else will get screwed but not me, I got mine.
It's a tsunami. Previous paradigms no longer apply.
Teevee, junkfood-addled Amerika could not withstand a currency collapse. The Black Plague made human capital valuable again - in modern application we have tens of millions on the gov't teat with no recovery.
All those 99-weekers waiting for jobs. What jobs? Doing what? The service economy is a fiat lie and our infrastructure is based on a constant flow of cheap oil.
Mortgage? WTF for? Prices are artificially high because of 1) shadow inventory 2) who can say they will be employed in their profession to make payments for 30 years anymore - no man is an island.
Stay nimble. Stay quick. This is no time for white picket fences. Going back to the sad, miserable, drugged-up state of our Nation it ain't a stretch to imagine that the Mandarin speakers are planning to make use of their raw (war) materials and spouse-less young men for "real estate acquisition". Hasn't anyone read a history book around here? The Chi-Coms have openly spoken of how they deserve North America. This kind of scenario isn't discussed because it is the worst-case scenario outside of nuc-bio-chem warfare, and then subsequent invasion.
"Oh, but China needs us and we need them." Bullshit. Everyone is buying time. The Chinese aren't stupid and they know they aren't getting their money back. Some finance guy over there said US bonds are not safe medium and long. In other words "We are trying to buy as much time as possible to acquire tangible assets that matter!"
All the survivalists from the 70's were wrong because they didn't understand the "Nixon" trick/effect of taking us off the gold standard and taking paper money to its extreme utility. It would have been better to face this shitstorm back then. Back when Americans were still eating meals that had real nutrition, no obesity epidemic, actual human interaction, strong infrastructure with less bureaucracy. Today it's all bloated beyond recognition.
When the Fed finally makes a move that has a visible and real effect on Amerika even rationing of supplies won't keep the interurban areas content. We are at the brink of a f.u.n.d.a.m.e.n.t.a.l. shift. Be far away from the millions that require a weekly check for their very survival. Do you think the owners of the Fed care if millions starve?"

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:06 | 763253 tgatliff
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Different does not always mean collapse.. When you have the current system completely "fall apart", what are you left with?   A return to fundamental economic activity.  Meaning, all that is occurring right now is a return to sane economic models.  

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:44 | 763324 New_Meat
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Dude-pay attention to ol' Rusty

"When you have the current system completely "fall apart", what are you left with?   A return to fundamental economic activity. ..."

All good, as far as it goes.  Question for ya: "What is the expected transition time between your 'left with' and your 'return to fundamental...'

I betcha' that it is longer than the three days.

OK, since I say three days, let's get it on: I say twelve days.

My bet on the O/U: I'm taking the Over.

How say you?

n'est ce pas?

- Ned

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:36 | 763437 Rusty Shorts
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Thanks Ned, but ...


For the record, that is a quote I saved from B9K9, hence the " " marks, at least i think it's a b9k9 quote ... or was it Mako ?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:26 | 763781 Fish Gone Bad
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I do not know if it was Mako, but I do feel left out.  A while ago I commented that Goldman Sachs employees work part time at the local animal shelters, killing baby puppies with claw hammers.  Now I see in the above article, "killing puppies" mentioned.  Perhaps this is probably just an idea whose time has fianlly come.

Writing killing puppies is descriptive.  Writing killing baby puppies with claw hammers is the sign of a person who really needs to take up drinking and writing full time.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 02:52 | 763864 Rusty Shorts
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 - writing killing kittens with a hatchet is another sign.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:06 | 763626 Crisismode
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You are a complete and totally utter idiot.


End of report.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:40 | 763449 Milestones
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Rusty, You mention "Tangible assets that matter." Pray tell, what are you suggesting?

An absolutely great post. We are all trying to sum up some how this monster fuckup we are engaged in. You have added to the list of thoughtful responses. Not quite there, but you're knocking on the door.

You hint at the possibility of invasion by China. I have seen suggestions of a 60-40 Male-female ratio in China though I think such a margin is totally unacceptable. Assuming a population of 1.3 Billion this works out to a 260 Million imbalance. Europe would have long been overrun as well as Russia. But it does remain a scary proposition even if the imbalance is 60 Million young males.

I would encourage you to continue your ruminations. You have an excellent start.  Milestones 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:24 | 763496 Rusty Shorts
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Milestones, you're correct, it is an absolutely great post, but it's not mine ... it's someone else's, i saved it here one ZH a few months ago, being that it was a "GREAT POST".


 - wish i could "articulate" my thoughts like the person who posted this nugget !!!


 - here's another;


"I think this is the great example of why so many pin their hopes on the "as-yet-unknown-future-technology-fix". We just pop together the as-yet-unknown free energy device into the as-yet-unknown spaceship and fly to the as-yet-unknown destination and *wham!* populate the galaxy."

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:46 | 763583 Rusty Shorts
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Here is some genuine R. Shorts.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 09:51 | 764074 lead salad
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It was a great post.  Thanks for sharing it.  I think I will save it too.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:47 | 763702 Accidental Farmer
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"Be far away from the millions that require a weekly check for their very survival"

That is the key. I used to think that the solution for the collapse was purchased at the gun show. Once stocked, I turned to metals for that warm fuzzy feeling. But you can't eat gold or guns, so now I'm digging my little out of the way farm.  When you're surrounded by people who live off the land and off the grid, the whole idea of the push button society melting down becomes insignificant.

The collapse is coming, but it won't hurt so bad, or even be that noticeable if you're not dependant on the machine that is collapsing.

I say let it collapse. The sooner the better.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:50 | 767250 4xaddict
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I like the gesture in this idea but the problem lies with how you and those surrounding you are going to protect your lands? Pinkertons? Might be better to just leave all together after all what is a nation without society and culture? Well it's just a piece of land like the rest of them.

And once it's all melted down who is going to manufacture weapons for the defense the sustainable little community? It all gets a little more complicated than just heading for the hills

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:54 | 767225 4xaddict
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*Rusty Shorts

I agree with you that the fabric of US society needs to change and in a rapid/material manner and that those who start realising this sooner are going to be much better off however, I am no Chinaman but strongly contest the idea that China has an expansionist policy.

To the best of my knowledge there has never been a centrally planned chinese invasion of another sovereign state, furthermore the contested areas that they claim as their own originally were.

I don't think culturally it is something that they do, they consider themselves the middle kingdom as the world revolves around them. They don't want to leave their homeland.

There are a lot of crack pot conspiracy theories about how the chinese are going to invade and steal the world however if the US keeps it's thieving fingers out of other sovereign state's affairs I am sure there will be no young chinese men visiting your shores anytime soon. In fact people peddling this horse shit are more dangerous than the chinese because all of a sudden as things get more dire this starts becoming a widely believed concept and gives the US gov artistic license to invade China. If there is a war the US will start the fucker, don't worry about that.

Remember there is a lot of US owned IP and capital assets sitting within the Chinese borders already and given anyone can wikileak anything they want these days I am sure their surplus of single young men are all balls deep in as much cyber-stolen IP as they can poke a stick at. They don't need the US, and will survive a downturn given their nature is to "suck up the pain" and get on with things. It's a standard term in Chinese vocabulary and the greying generation were living like it was medieval times only 40-50 years ago. They will survive without USTs. 

Seriously though, does anyone have some meaningful information to share about China besides this fear-mongering bullshit?

Until some ballsy little weasel in Washington stands up and says we have to take the appropriate and realistic writedowns on property market loans that is truely required the US is fucked. 

God forbid, US citizens are just going to have to rent a house for the next 5+ years till they can get in some semblance of credit worthiness. And before anyone makes the witty comment that "someone needs to own the homes in order for people to rent them", if prices are truly written down to market prices, the ability for individuals to make the 5% fixed 30/y repayments on a 100K property as opposed to the BS 500K valuations still running on the banks books are substantially higher. Interest only on 100k is less than $100/week.

Furthermore as the government owns most of the houses anyway, how can ingesting surplus housing stock they own into a government managed rental pool hurt when it creates jobs for property agents, maintenance guys etc. (those remaining unsold for over 12 months may be a start to ensure some manner of upkeep is maintained.) 

Sure you say "but that's nationalizing the housing market and we went through the cold war to fight commies". The fact is it's already been nationalized so rather than denying this just suck it up and make hay with what you have. At least this would allow the gov to take in some revenue to help maintain some value in these quickly deteriorating overvalued assets they hold on their books.



Sat, 12/04/2010 - 00:21 | 777556 Rusty Shorts
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"the cotton was short, and the weeds were tall, But Mr. Roosevelt's gonna save us all. A washing machine and a Chevrolet".

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:03 | 763246 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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S a t's, from ivy leagues, spent best as confetti for parties.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763279 Turd Ferguson
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Hey, Jimi, maybe the "big US bank" is JPM? How bout a little wiki-silver manipulation?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:05 | 763373 John Bigboote
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One thing is for sure: he is a dead man now.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:13 | 763386 ViewfromUnderth...
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shit just got real...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:22 | 763524 Spalding_Smailes
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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:33 | 763679 Dr. No
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Wikileaks is crazy... like a fox!  He leaked all the US classified info to get on the list.  No doubt is is surveillanced by every intellagence branch of the US, Russia, Europe, Scotland yard, and probably even Blackwater. 24/7 even holidays. 

Then he drops the big one: Wikileaks is going to expose a US Bank.  If the bank does try to get him they will have to do it while on spycam of every government agency.  Gutsy.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:21 | 763747 Widowmaker
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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:16 | 763654 GeoffreyT
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"study up on the situation in Mexico" - why is that representative of increasing societal chaos and a decline in the government's abililty to fund its drone-thugs? The Mexican situation stems precisely from a massive INcrease in the number of drone-thugs per capita; and the continued stupidity of prohibition (which generates massive monopoly profits/risk premia for those willing to engage in trafficking - i.e., in providing a good for which there is massive demand).


As usual - if the US kept its stupid long fucking #6 nose out of other countries' business, the global death count would be lower.


However the core of your thesis - that the State will soon no longer be able to afford its security apparatus, is something that I have been saying for some time.  And once it comes down, woe betide those who currently get their jollies by carrying a badge and a gun and wearing some silly uniform; life for them is going to be a little like being a former stukach in the immediate post-Soviet states... nasty, brutally-terminated, and short.


Why can't I see a goddamned cursor in this edit box? Gah.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 04:30 | 763916 AnAnonymous
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In fairly short order, the central state(s) will no longer have sufficient resources in which to enforce existing security paradigms.


That is a very long term prospect.

Central states can tap into other central states' resources, non central states' resources (currently the most taken path) and their own population's resources.

A light protocol to check this: US army oil consumption. This consumption will decline less than other sectors, meaning that other sectors are going to 'attribute' part of their consumption to maintain the gains they get from the US army security network.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:53 | 763058 NotApplicable
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Thanks for clarifying my idiot or troll question from earlier, as there is no hiding your disdain for ZH in this post.

Though I guess it's likely you could be both.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:27 | 763151 Jeffersonian
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teamamerica> TD's name and background is already on Wikipedia. What more do you want us to do, type the fucking name into your browser for you?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763276 Seymour Butt
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Blow me.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:38 | 763445 AccreditedEYE
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+1 LOL

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:48 | 763335 CrazyCooter
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Hey Fsck wad, let me share with you what I shared with numerous other citizens (liberal, libertarian, and republican) on a personal mailing list.

You want a piece of this vet? Come get it.

- Cooter



A while back ya'll got a taste of what my congress critters got to put up with. Rest assured I send a well penned letter every so often letting them know what I think about current affairs. They typically don't respond or call. They are about to get one for this HS/TSA crap. Each and every one of you should contact your rep and senators, in writing, to just say what you are saying on this list; not in my country. And don't forget to ask for a response on their position.

I want to reiterate that flying is still much safer than driving. Do keep that in mind as you continue reading.

On to my point, WikiLeaks has been in the news (again) lately. Free speech has always been a complicated argument for a lot of reasons. It is numero uno on a certain list of rights for a reason. We exercise it daily on this list. It is, at its center, the essence of liberty. Sometimes folks can forget *this* is what so many veterans volunteered for. It is why I volunteered, at 18, having no clue how the real world works, just like damn near every vet out there. Over our nations history many of those volunteers gave theirs knees or their lives to defend a very short list of rights for the posterity of their families. Many politicians will bend this sacrifice to many ends, most ignoble. These same politicians put our volunteers in harms way, often times with missions in opposition to the aforementioned short list of rights so inspirational to young men and women. Please do not discount the intent of volunteers because of the actions of political leadership.

I hope everyone on this list paused part way through my last paragraph and realize they now have a burden; calling your representative/senator and making *your* views known, particularly with regards to the HS/TSA. If your representation refuses to support your views, vote them out. Make no mistake, it is the duty of every citizen, regardless of religion, party, race, or other, to make their morals and ideals known to their representatives. Be kind, patient, and courteous, but make your morals and ideals known.

I didn't tell you what to say or think like every other politically motivated communication floating around. I asked you to represent your morals and your ideals without concern or fear what they may or may not be. Why? Because all Americans feel pretty much the same way about this issue and we need to make our voices heard.

Anyway, I have a list of links which I was going to carpet bomb the list with, but this showed up recently and touched on something near and dear to my heart.

I feel I have a good handle on what is going down in terms of finance. I have already circulated a link to a book (the dying of money) ya'll should all be reading if you want to know the ending before it happens. The only way to stop it; putting wall street criminals (thousands of them) in jail and blowing up bank bond holders. As a nation we must default and take care of our own (feeding/housing/caring for the elderly who depend on SS and balancing trade for those of working age). Yes I said default. We are past that point now, but not so far we can't take care of our own.

Why is this related? The HS/TSA is a trial run for how security will increasingly work for the "common man" when things continue down their current path. It starts somewhere, but eventually it will be at grocery stores. Step out of line and the man will take you away.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their  currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of  all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)

These are difficult times and deep down I fear for our great lady and the posterity we may or may not pass to our descendants.

My apologies for hyperbole. I will concede I am crazy, but stupid I am not.

Give 'em hell.


P.S. - Please pass this along to friends/family (minus everyone's email addy) if you are so motivated.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:18 | 763397 Seer
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I tend to agree with your basics, but... POWER already knows the TRUTH.  We've got to quit asking them to NOT do things and tell them to get the fuck out of the way.  It is, as you offer, best to inform those around you; but, it's not to ask for some other set of fucking rulers to fuck us over, but that we don't need gods or masters, We Don't Need Them (the following is, and has been for years, the top hit on Google when searching on -> we don't need them<- WITHOUT quotes!):

NOTE: I'm also a vet, but I don't like throwing it around, as I don't think anyone should be viewed as having special status above anyone else.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:19 | 763771 tip e. canoe
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seer, this essay reflects a conversation i had tonight.   "there are no strings."   gotta love synchronicity.  gracias.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:08 | 763635 Crisismode
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Get back on your Prozac, bozo.


You are in dire need of some meds.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:15 | 763388 karzai_luver
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When zh is robbing me and mine and using a fascist whore of a gvt to do it then your prattle would have some use other than as a clown show.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:22 | 763407 goldsaver
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The day I am guilty of bilking trillions of dollars and injuring via commission or omission the lives of hundreds of millions of people, I will be the first one to give you my name. Jerk-off

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:45 | 763037 tip e. canoe
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2:1 BOA
3:1 Cshiti
15:1 JPMoRock

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:13 | 763115 oddjob
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150 to 1  FRBNY

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:25 | 763287 Careless Whisper
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i would say that the first big bank to issue a press release saying that their emails are totally secure, is probably the bank with the leak.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:31 | 763303 SWRichmond
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:12 | 763111 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Even money on BofA since they are the least connected of the piggish 3 you mentioned.

As for this: "nothing short of photographic evidence of some very (in)famous bank CEOs have underage sex while filming snuff movies, dressed in drag, killing puppies and recording their market manipulation conversations"

Doesn't Barney Frank do that every week? And he STILL gets fucking elected. If Eric Holder was any dumber it'd be legal to harvest his organs.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:27 | 763155 rocker
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Why didn't GS get a bid on this. Not big enough ???  Surely corrupt enough and GS is now a bank !!!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:03 | 763245 Careless Whisper
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GS is a hedge fund, silly.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:21 | 763403 Thomas
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Nope. GS is a crime family.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:21 | 763404 Crisismode
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GS is a repository for Abu Ghraib interrogators.


Provided they are Harvard grads, of course.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:40 | 763563 Cecil Rhodes
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GS is a cheese sandwich.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:32 | 763796 eatthebanksters
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GS = Greasy Shit

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:59 | 763480 Seer
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Because GS has photos of AIG, and, as we know, QIG is a big part of the secret government (for all those who don't get this, do a googl one AIG history).

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:54 | 763225 IQ 145
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 I'm betting on BofA. The very living definition of scum sucking back stabbing criminal corporate culture. That's a rock that can't survive any daylight under it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763277 Don Birnam
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BofA. Curb-stomped. WikiWhipped like a red-headed stepchild. Whatever the Urban Dictionary colloquialism, that entity gets my chips...

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