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Wikileaks Next Target: "A Big US Bank"

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Honest distributor of leaked data or a clever PsyOps front, one can not deny that whatever it is, Wikileaks does share some unique information with the world (as to how it is interpreted is a different story). Yet for the most part, the bulk of the organization's recent exposures have focused on the US military and away from the private sector, and thus away from that which is really important in today's world: money (of a paper representation thereof). Which is we read with interest in the latest Julian Assange interview with Forbes' Andy Greenberg that next on the docket of Wikileaks disclosure is not some facebooky look into the gossip world of international espionage or the foreign service, but something far more tangible and relevant: "A Big US Bank."

From the interview:

These megaleaks, as you call them that, we haven’t seen any of those from the private sector.

No, not at the same scale for the military.

Will we?

Yes. We have one related to a bank coming up, that’s a megaleak. It’s not as big a scale as the Iraq material, but it’s either tens or hundreds of thousands of documents depending on how you define it.

Is it a U.S. bank?

Yes, it’s a U.S. bank.

One that still exists?
Yes, a big U.S. bank.

The biggest U.S. bank?

No comment.

When will it happen?

Early next year. I won’t say more.

One needs to ask whether this is what we need: after all the US public already has enough public data to convict the executives of all the banks for numerous consecutive life sentences as is. It almost seems that nothing short of photographic evidence of some very (in)famous bank CEOs have underage sex while filming snuff movies, dressed in drag, killing puppies and recording their market manipulation conversations with Brian Sack will even rattle the Rip van Winkle formerly known as Eric Holder. But then again, we can hope...

As for Assange's reason for coming to public with the bank exposition:

What do you want to be the result of this release?

[Pauses] I’m not sure.

It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume. Usually when you get leaks at this level, it’s about one particular case or one particular violation.

For this, there’s only one similar example. It’s like the Enron emails. Why were these so valuable? When Enron collapsed, through court processes, thousands and thousands of emails came out that were internal, and it provided a window into how the whole company was managed. It was all the little decisions that supported the flagrant violations.

This will be like that. Yes, there will be some flagrant violations, unethical practices that will be revealed, but it will also be all the supporting decision-making structures and the internal executive ethos that cames out, and that’s tremendously valuable. Like the Iraq War Logs, yes there were mass casualty incidents that were very newsworthy, but the great value is seeing the full spectrum of the war.

You could call it the ecosystem of corruption. But it’s also all the regular decision making that turns a blind eye to and supports unethical practices: the oversight that’s not done, the priorities of executives, how they think they’re fulfilling their own self-interest. But it’s also all the regular decision making that turns a blind eye to and supports unethical practices: the oversight that’s not done, the priorities of executives, how they think they’re fulfilling their own self-interest. The way they talk about it.

While we refuse to pass judgment on Assange's character, and his motivations, it appears that he may have finally figured out that to enact change in a country, you have to go not after the politicians or even the military industrial complex. After all both of those are puppets for the moneyed interests. One has to go after the very heart of the financial oligarchy. Money always has made the world go round, never more so than in the US currently. Perhaps Assange can redeem himself of all attacks on his persona if he does succeed in disclosing something that is beyond mere watercooler talk and actually leads to at least one major prosecution. After all, the US' own regulatory and enforcement mechanisms are corrupt beyond repair, and completely unable to do so on their own...

(and yes, we certainly hope it is not Lehman Brothers, although the bank in question is most certainly going to get the Lehman treatment. The question is who will benefit from this disclosure, and now that Goldman's FICC desk is no longer the gold mine it used to be, there are some suggestions)


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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:01 | 762871 etrader
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JPM  BOA or Citi

Take your pick  on which cup the ball is under :-)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:53 | 763050 B9K9
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Either way, it really doesn't matter. In fairly short order, the central state(s) will no longer have sufficient resources in which to enforce existing security paradigms. We're just going through the respective end-game motions before things really begin to get interesting.

The kick-the-can game has always been about buying enough time in order for science to come up with some new growth formula. The only possible way out was to increase our net global energy utilization - by any means necessary. Absent that, we are going to finally meet our collective destiny.

The same-old, same-old about (you pick) the PTB are clueless, you can't get out of debt by incurring more debt, etc, elicit nothing more than a 'no shit' shrug from those who are capable of understanding what is actually occurring. Ben didn't score a perfect 1600 on his SAT by possessing an intellect that would mistakenly believe the Irish (or anyone else) are/were going to accept paying higher taxes & receiving lower benefits as a medium/long term solution.

The open source hits are beginning to come from a wide spectrum of different actors. No need to be an iniator however - just noodle out where increasing societal chaos leads. If you wanna stay, study up on the situation in Mexico. If you wanna get out, figure out how to erase your identity.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:57 | 763234 Rusty Shorts
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"Exactly. Which is why most people I know think they can ignore the math and everything will be okay. They fight the very idea that there is a real decline in quality of life, that it is permanent, and that it will continue to deteriorate. As Michele added above: "Apres moi, le deluge." Everyone else will get screwed but not me, I got mine.
It's a tsunami. Previous paradigms no longer apply.
Teevee, junkfood-addled Amerika could not withstand a currency collapse. The Black Plague made human capital valuable again - in modern application we have tens of millions on the gov't teat with no recovery.
All those 99-weekers waiting for jobs. What jobs? Doing what? The service economy is a fiat lie and our infrastructure is based on a constant flow of cheap oil.
Mortgage? WTF for? Prices are artificially high because of 1) shadow inventory 2) who can say they will be employed in their profession to make payments for 30 years anymore - no man is an island.
Stay nimble. Stay quick. This is no time for white picket fences. Going back to the sad, miserable, drugged-up state of our Nation it ain't a stretch to imagine that the Mandarin speakers are planning to make use of their raw (war) materials and spouse-less young men for "real estate acquisition". Hasn't anyone read a history book around here? The Chi-Coms have openly spoken of how they deserve North America. This kind of scenario isn't discussed because it is the worst-case scenario outside of nuc-bio-chem warfare, and then subsequent invasion.
"Oh, but China needs us and we need them." Bullshit. Everyone is buying time. The Chinese aren't stupid and they know they aren't getting their money back. Some finance guy over there said US bonds are not safe medium and long. In other words "We are trying to buy as much time as possible to acquire tangible assets that matter!"
All the survivalists from the 70's were wrong because they didn't understand the "Nixon" trick/effect of taking us off the gold standard and taking paper money to its extreme utility. It would have been better to face this shitstorm back then. Back when Americans were still eating meals that had real nutrition, no obesity epidemic, actual human interaction, strong infrastructure with less bureaucracy. Today it's all bloated beyond recognition.
When the Fed finally makes a move that has a visible and real effect on Amerika even rationing of supplies won't keep the interurban areas content. We are at the brink of a f.u.n.d.a.m.e.n.t.a.l. shift. Be far away from the millions that require a weekly check for their very survival. Do you think the owners of the Fed care if millions starve?"

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:06 | 763253 tgatliff
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Different does not always mean collapse.. When you have the current system completely "fall apart", what are you left with?   A return to fundamental economic activity.  Meaning, all that is occurring right now is a return to sane economic models.  

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:44 | 763324 New_Meat
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Dude-pay attention to ol' Rusty

"When you have the current system completely "fall apart", what are you left with?   A return to fundamental economic activity. ..."

All good, as far as it goes.  Question for ya: "What is the expected transition time between your 'left with' and your 'return to fundamental...'

I betcha' that it is longer than the three days.

OK, since I say three days, let's get it on: I say twelve days.

My bet on the O/U: I'm taking the Over.

How say you?

n'est ce pas?

- Ned

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:36 | 763437 Rusty Shorts
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Thanks Ned, but ...


For the record, that is a quote I saved from B9K9, hence the " " marks, at least i think it's a b9k9 quote ... or was it Mako ?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:26 | 763781 Fish Gone Bad
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I do not know if it was Mako, but I do feel left out.  A while ago I commented that Goldman Sachs employees work part time at the local animal shelters, killing baby puppies with claw hammers.  Now I see in the above article, "killing puppies" mentioned.  Perhaps this is probably just an idea whose time has fianlly come.

Writing killing puppies is descriptive.  Writing killing baby puppies with claw hammers is the sign of a person who really needs to take up drinking and writing full time.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 02:52 | 763864 Rusty Shorts
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 - writing killing kittens with a hatchet is another sign.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:06 | 763626 Crisismode
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You are a complete and totally utter idiot.


End of report.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:40 | 763449 Milestones
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Rusty, You mention "Tangible assets that matter." Pray tell, what are you suggesting?

An absolutely great post. We are all trying to sum up some how this monster fuckup we are engaged in. You have added to the list of thoughtful responses. Not quite there, but you're knocking on the door.

You hint at the possibility of invasion by China. I have seen suggestions of a 60-40 Male-female ratio in China though I think such a margin is totally unacceptable. Assuming a population of 1.3 Billion this works out to a 260 Million imbalance. Europe would have long been overrun as well as Russia. But it does remain a scary proposition even if the imbalance is 60 Million young males.

I would encourage you to continue your ruminations. You have an excellent start.  Milestones 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:24 | 763496 Rusty Shorts
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Milestones, you're correct, it is an absolutely great post, but it's not mine ... it's someone else's, i saved it here one ZH a few months ago, being that it was a "GREAT POST".


 - wish i could "articulate" my thoughts like the person who posted this nugget !!!


 - here's another;


"I think this is the great example of why so many pin their hopes on the "as-yet-unknown-future-technology-fix". We just pop together the as-yet-unknown free energy device into the as-yet-unknown spaceship and fly to the as-yet-unknown destination and *wham!* populate the galaxy."

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:46 | 763583 Rusty Shorts
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Here is some genuine R. Shorts.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 09:51 | 764074 lead salad
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It was a great post.  Thanks for sharing it.  I think I will save it too.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:47 | 763702 Accidental Farmer
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"Be far away from the millions that require a weekly check for their very survival"

That is the key. I used to think that the solution for the collapse was purchased at the gun show. Once stocked, I turned to metals for that warm fuzzy feeling. But you can't eat gold or guns, so now I'm digging my little out of the way farm.  When you're surrounded by people who live off the land and off the grid, the whole idea of the push button society melting down becomes insignificant.

The collapse is coming, but it won't hurt so bad, or even be that noticeable if you're not dependant on the machine that is collapsing.

I say let it collapse. The sooner the better.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:50 | 767250 4xaddict
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I like the gesture in this idea but the problem lies with how you and those surrounding you are going to protect your lands? Pinkertons? Might be better to just leave all together after all what is a nation without society and culture? Well it's just a piece of land like the rest of them.

And once it's all melted down who is going to manufacture weapons for the defense the sustainable little community? It all gets a little more complicated than just heading for the hills

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:54 | 767225 4xaddict
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*Rusty Shorts

I agree with you that the fabric of US society needs to change and in a rapid/material manner and that those who start realising this sooner are going to be much better off however, I am no Chinaman but strongly contest the idea that China has an expansionist policy.

To the best of my knowledge there has never been a centrally planned chinese invasion of another sovereign state, furthermore the contested areas that they claim as their own originally were.

I don't think culturally it is something that they do, they consider themselves the middle kingdom as the world revolves around them. They don't want to leave their homeland.

There are a lot of crack pot conspiracy theories about how the chinese are going to invade and steal the world however if the US keeps it's thieving fingers out of other sovereign state's affairs I am sure there will be no young chinese men visiting your shores anytime soon. In fact people peddling this horse shit are more dangerous than the chinese because all of a sudden as things get more dire this starts becoming a widely believed concept and gives the US gov artistic license to invade China. If there is a war the US will start the fucker, don't worry about that.

Remember there is a lot of US owned IP and capital assets sitting within the Chinese borders already and given anyone can wikileak anything they want these days I am sure their surplus of single young men are all balls deep in as much cyber-stolen IP as they can poke a stick at. They don't need the US, and will survive a downturn given their nature is to "suck up the pain" and get on with things. It's a standard term in Chinese vocabulary and the greying generation were living like it was medieval times only 40-50 years ago. They will survive without USTs. 

Seriously though, does anyone have some meaningful information to share about China besides this fear-mongering bullshit?

Until some ballsy little weasel in Washington stands up and says we have to take the appropriate and realistic writedowns on property market loans that is truely required the US is fucked. 

God forbid, US citizens are just going to have to rent a house for the next 5+ years till they can get in some semblance of credit worthiness. And before anyone makes the witty comment that "someone needs to own the homes in order for people to rent them", if prices are truly written down to market prices, the ability for individuals to make the 5% fixed 30/y repayments on a 100K property as opposed to the BS 500K valuations still running on the banks books are substantially higher. Interest only on 100k is less than $100/week.

Furthermore as the government owns most of the houses anyway, how can ingesting surplus housing stock they own into a government managed rental pool hurt when it creates jobs for property agents, maintenance guys etc. (those remaining unsold for over 12 months may be a start to ensure some manner of upkeep is maintained.) 

Sure you say "but that's nationalizing the housing market and we went through the cold war to fight commies". The fact is it's already been nationalized so rather than denying this just suck it up and make hay with what you have. At least this would allow the gov to take in some revenue to help maintain some value in these quickly deteriorating overvalued assets they hold on their books.



Sat, 12/04/2010 - 00:21 | 777556 Rusty Shorts
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"the cotton was short, and the weeds were tall, But Mr. Roosevelt's gonna save us all. A washing machine and a Chevrolet".

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:03 | 763246 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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S a t's, from ivy leagues, spent best as confetti for parties.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763279 Turd Ferguson
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Hey, Jimi, maybe the "big US bank" is JPM? How bout a little wiki-silver manipulation?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:05 | 763373 John Bigboote
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One thing is for sure: he is a dead man now.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:13 | 763386 ViewfromUnderth...
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shit just got real...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:22 | 763524 Spalding_Smailes
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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:33 | 763679 Dr. No
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Wikileaks is crazy... like a fox!  He leaked all the US classified info to get on the list.  No doubt is is surveillanced by every intellagence branch of the US, Russia, Europe, Scotland yard, and probably even Blackwater. 24/7 even holidays. 

Then he drops the big one: Wikileaks is going to expose a US Bank.  If the bank does try to get him they will have to do it while on spycam of every government agency.  Gutsy.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:21 | 763747 Widowmaker
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Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:16 | 763654 GeoffreyT
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"study up on the situation in Mexico" - why is that representative of increasing societal chaos and a decline in the government's abililty to fund its drone-thugs? The Mexican situation stems precisely from a massive INcrease in the number of drone-thugs per capita; and the continued stupidity of prohibition (which generates massive monopoly profits/risk premia for those willing to engage in trafficking - i.e., in providing a good for which there is massive demand).


As usual - if the US kept its stupid long fucking #6 nose out of other countries' business, the global death count would be lower.


However the core of your thesis - that the State will soon no longer be able to afford its security apparatus, is something that I have been saying for some time.  And once it comes down, woe betide those who currently get their jollies by carrying a badge and a gun and wearing some silly uniform; life for them is going to be a little like being a former stukach in the immediate post-Soviet states... nasty, brutally-terminated, and short.


Why can't I see a goddamned cursor in this edit box? Gah.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 04:30 | 763916 AnAnonymous
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In fairly short order, the central state(s) will no longer have sufficient resources in which to enforce existing security paradigms.


That is a very long term prospect.

Central states can tap into other central states' resources, non central states' resources (currently the most taken path) and their own population's resources.

A light protocol to check this: US army oil consumption. This consumption will decline less than other sectors, meaning that other sectors are going to 'attribute' part of their consumption to maintain the gains they get from the US army security network.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:53 | 763058 NotApplicable
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Thanks for clarifying my idiot or troll question from earlier, as there is no hiding your disdain for ZH in this post.

Though I guess it's likely you could be both.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:27 | 763151 Jeffersonian
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teamamerica> TD's name and background is already on Wikipedia. What more do you want us to do, type the fucking name into your browser for you?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763276 Seymour Butt
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Blow me.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:38 | 763445 AccreditedEYE
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+1 LOL

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:48 | 763335 CrazyCooter
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Hey Fsck wad, let me share with you what I shared with numerous other citizens (liberal, libertarian, and republican) on a personal mailing list.

You want a piece of this vet? Come get it.

- Cooter



A while back ya'll got a taste of what my congress critters got to put up with. Rest assured I send a well penned letter every so often letting them know what I think about current affairs. They typically don't respond or call. They are about to get one for this HS/TSA crap. Each and every one of you should contact your rep and senators, in writing, to just say what you are saying on this list; not in my country. And don't forget to ask for a response on their position.

I want to reiterate that flying is still much safer than driving. Do keep that in mind as you continue reading.

On to my point, WikiLeaks has been in the news (again) lately. Free speech has always been a complicated argument for a lot of reasons. It is numero uno on a certain list of rights for a reason. We exercise it daily on this list. It is, at its center, the essence of liberty. Sometimes folks can forget *this* is what so many veterans volunteered for. It is why I volunteered, at 18, having no clue how the real world works, just like damn near every vet out there. Over our nations history many of those volunteers gave theirs knees or their lives to defend a very short list of rights for the posterity of their families. Many politicians will bend this sacrifice to many ends, most ignoble. These same politicians put our volunteers in harms way, often times with missions in opposition to the aforementioned short list of rights so inspirational to young men and women. Please do not discount the intent of volunteers because of the actions of political leadership.

I hope everyone on this list paused part way through my last paragraph and realize they now have a burden; calling your representative/senator and making *your* views known, particularly with regards to the HS/TSA. If your representation refuses to support your views, vote them out. Make no mistake, it is the duty of every citizen, regardless of religion, party, race, or other, to make their morals and ideals known to their representatives. Be kind, patient, and courteous, but make your morals and ideals known.

I didn't tell you what to say or think like every other politically motivated communication floating around. I asked you to represent your morals and your ideals without concern or fear what they may or may not be. Why? Because all Americans feel pretty much the same way about this issue and we need to make our voices heard.

Anyway, I have a list of links which I was going to carpet bomb the list with, but this showed up recently and touched on something near and dear to my heart.

I feel I have a good handle on what is going down in terms of finance. I have already circulated a link to a book (the dying of money) ya'll should all be reading if you want to know the ending before it happens. The only way to stop it; putting wall street criminals (thousands of them) in jail and blowing up bank bond holders. As a nation we must default and take care of our own (feeding/housing/caring for the elderly who depend on SS and balancing trade for those of working age). Yes I said default. We are past that point now, but not so far we can't take care of our own.

Why is this related? The HS/TSA is a trial run for how security will increasingly work for the "common man" when things continue down their current path. It starts somewhere, but eventually it will be at grocery stores. Step out of line and the man will take you away.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their  currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of  all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." – Thomas Jefferson in the debate over the Re-charter of the Bank Bill (1809)

These are difficult times and deep down I fear for our great lady and the posterity we may or may not pass to our descendants.

My apologies for hyperbole. I will concede I am crazy, but stupid I am not.

Give 'em hell.


P.S. - Please pass this along to friends/family (minus everyone's email addy) if you are so motivated.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:18 | 763397 Seer
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I tend to agree with your basics, but... POWER already knows the TRUTH.  We've got to quit asking them to NOT do things and tell them to get the fuck out of the way.  It is, as you offer, best to inform those around you; but, it's not to ask for some other set of fucking rulers to fuck us over, but that we don't need gods or masters, We Don't Need Them (the following is, and has been for years, the top hit on Google when searching on -> we don't need them<- WITHOUT quotes!):

NOTE: I'm also a vet, but I don't like throwing it around, as I don't think anyone should be viewed as having special status above anyone else.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:19 | 763771 tip e. canoe
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seer, this essay reflects a conversation i had tonight.   "there are no strings."   gotta love synchronicity.  gracias.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:08 | 763635 Crisismode
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Get back on your Prozac, bozo.


You are in dire need of some meds.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:15 | 763388 karzai_luver
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When zh is robbing me and mine and using a fascist whore of a gvt to do it then your prattle would have some use other than as a clown show.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:22 | 763407 goldsaver
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The day I am guilty of bilking trillions of dollars and injuring via commission or omission the lives of hundreds of millions of people, I will be the first one to give you my name. Jerk-off

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:45 | 763037 tip e. canoe
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2:1 BOA
3:1 Cshiti
15:1 JPMoRock

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:13 | 763115 oddjob
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150 to 1  FRBNY

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:25 | 763287 Careless Whisper
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i would say that the first big bank to issue a press release saying that their emails are totally secure, is probably the bank with the leak.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:31 | 763303 SWRichmond
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:12 | 763111 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Even money on BofA since they are the least connected of the piggish 3 you mentioned.

As for this: "nothing short of photographic evidence of some very (in)famous bank CEOs have underage sex while filming snuff movies, dressed in drag, killing puppies and recording their market manipulation conversations"

Doesn't Barney Frank do that every week? And he STILL gets fucking elected. If Eric Holder was any dumber it'd be legal to harvest his organs.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:27 | 763155 rocker
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Why didn't GS get a bid on this. Not big enough ???  Surely corrupt enough and GS is now a bank !!!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:03 | 763245 Careless Whisper
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GS is a hedge fund, silly.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:21 | 763403 Thomas
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Nope. GS is a crime family.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:21 | 763404 Crisismode
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GS is a repository for Abu Ghraib interrogators.


Provided they are Harvard grads, of course.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:40 | 763563 Cecil Rhodes
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GS is a cheese sandwich.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 01:32 | 763796 eatthebanksters
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GS = Greasy Shit

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:59 | 763480 Seer
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Because GS has photos of AIG, and, as we know, QIG is a big part of the secret government (for all those who don't get this, do a googl one AIG history).

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:54 | 763225 IQ 145
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 I'm betting on BofA. The very living definition of scum sucking back stabbing criminal corporate culture. That's a rock that can't survive any daylight under it.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:18 | 763277 Don Birnam
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BofA. Curb-stomped. WikiWhipped like a red-headed stepchild. Whatever the Urban Dictionary colloquialism, that entity gets my chips...

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:12 | 763384 johngaltfla
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I'm hoping and heard rumors it's the Fed. I just hope that it's the Diplomatic cables from September 2008 through April 2009 between the Fed, Paulson, London, Berlin, Paris, etc. and some how we get closure as to what deal they cut for us schmucks in the U.S. at the November 15, 2008 G-20 Bretton Woods II meeting.....if Wiki doesn't have that, then they are just noise, IMHO.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:13 | 763511 carbonmutant
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"ecosystem of corruption."

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:01 | 763620 mophead
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It will be BOA.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 03:19 | 763883 Tense INDIAN
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who cares about banks ....they r going down any way with the CEOs running with theor bonusses.....the main thing here is ""BOMB IRAN, BOMB IRAN, BOMB IRAN"...


Ahmadinejad blames U.S. 'mischief' for WikiLeaks dump and insists Arab nations are Iran's friends

Read more:

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 07:13 | 763953 Tense INDIAN
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NY Times refuses to display climate GATE emails ....because it says they were illegally obtained...but  flashes the Wikileaks all over :


WMDs in IRAQ....source ----->>>WIKILEAKS:

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 18:58 | 762873 jus_lite_reading
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I begged GOD that this day would come! DOWN WITH BofA... ooops I meant the frauds!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:52 | 763054 erik
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I want justice.  Plain and simple.

Off topic...

Japan PMI released.  3rd consecutive month of contraction.  They're blaming the strong yen for the weakness, which makes sense given how much the Yen has risen since June.  However, when that Yen weakens, another currency must strengthen and with it their manufacturing will be pressured.

"The index for new export orders, a leading indicator of Japanese exports, fell to 46.9 from 48.4 in the previous month, showing that export orders contracted at their fastest pace in 19 months."

Japan is losing the weak currency/strong manufacturing race.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:56 | 763232 IQ 145
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 World over installed capacity. Lots more recession/depression to come.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 18:58 | 762874 doomandbloom
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Funny that Julian is still alive....surely Matt Simmons was not this bad, look what happened to him.

I am giving it a month before new laws are passed around the internet.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:15 | 762935 mudduck
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Spilling the beans on the military and guv. is one thing, but this might actually be far more dangerous for him personally.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:23 | 762964 mikla
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I sure hope he doesn't do that "peer-to-peer" media distribution stuff.  That might get him into trouble.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:49 | 763047 SWRichmond
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Yes, the guy seems to have a death wish.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:23 | 763410 karzai_luver
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OR he has SOMETHING so nasty..............who knows??

You know there is A TON of top secret stuff that if someone had even a small part of that, well let's just say the game would be ON!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:42 | 763573 Clinteastwood
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Come on SWR, if Assange was really revealing anything TPTB are upset with, he'd be dead already.  Same thing with capturing Bin Laden.  If the CIA wanted him, he'd have been had long ago.

You people need to start using your heads.  Why do you believe any of this nonsense?

When you hear a "news" story, your first reaction as an intelligent being is to ask OK who's lying about this and for what reason?

911 was a lie.  BLS statistics are a lie.  Bush lied and people died.  Obama lies and people are dying.  Congress is not representing us--they are bought off--they are a lie.  The media is a lie.  Bailouts are a lie.  The Federal Reserve is a lie.  The USD is a Ponzi scheme (but it does finance a lotta nefarious activities, particularly military).  Follow the money.  A lot of it has gone missing.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 09:24 | 764027 SWRichmond
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You might be correct.  I agree with your last paragraph except for the 911 part, and am withholding judgement on that.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:33 | 763008 DisparityFlux
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Stuxnet, product of nation state "console cowboys", to be re-engineered and re-targeted to hunt down and destroy systems storing and serving subversive information.

quote = ['59', '69', '70', '70', '65', '65', '2D', \
              '6B', '69', '2D', '79', '61', '79', '2C', \
              '20', '6D', '6F', '74', '68', '65', '72', \
              '66', '75', '63', '6B', '65', '72', '2E']
for i in range(0,len(quote),1):
   quote[i] = chr(int(quote[i],16))
print "%s" % "".join(quote)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:42 | 763455 MurderNeverWasLove
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Always sort of partial to Roy Rogers, myself.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:57 | 763473 DisparityFlux
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You passed the first stage of a Google job interview.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:16 | 762941 gmrpeabody
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:20 | 762958 Herd Redirectio...
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That has been speculated as one of the possible PsyOps goals for WikiLeaks, to justify the passing of internet censorship laws "To protect us" from dangerous information and "dangerous ideas", and of course "unfounded lies" (when this one is used, you know something is telling the truth!)

Or, they could say that our enemies benefit from these 'leaks', so not only must WikiLeaks be shut down, the very ability of posting something on the Internet must be restricted.  No Anonymous posting should be allowed, in any  circumstances!  We will see, though,  I will give WikiLeaks another chance (Assange downplaying 9/11 was definitely strike 1 and 2)

In the meantime, check out our latest PsychoNews story, Bailouts, Money Printing and Reserve Currencies.

"Why does Ireland matter?  Whats the big deal?  Well, how the people of Ireland are being treated is a glimpse into what the bankers and polticians will attempt to emulate in every nation.  Banks don't go bankrupt, they get bailed out.  Creditors get 100 cents on the dollar, even if it means higher income taxes and cuts to education and heatlhcare budgets.  Corporations continue with business as usual knowing their tax rates will not be increased.  No one goes to jail.   More than a hundred thousand people were protesting in the streets of Dublin today, and yet, the BBC mentions it only in passing."

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:38 | 763014 Non Passaran
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That has been speculated as one of the possible PsyOps goals for WikiLeaks, to justify the passing of internet censorship laws "To protect us" from dangerous information and "dangerous ideas", and of course "unfounded lies" (when this one is used, you know something is telling the truth!)

This just doesn't make any sense. Laws that sanction release of those document already exist - why would they want to make new ones?

No Anonymous posting should be allowed, in any  circumstances!

Yes, that's gonna help because then they'll be able to find out who posts that stuff on!  Oh, wait - is a legally registered non-profit organization.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:19 | 763126 seek
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They want to make new ones because the one 1st amendment ideal they haven't yet breeched is prior restraint; i.e. they can penalize you and incarcerate you after the fact, but not before, thus cannot actually prevent the information release.

It's clear with the kill switch idea, they want to be able to turn something off before it becomes a problem for the powers that be, and that means prior restraint.

Regardless of wether wikileaks is a psyop or not -- one thing is clear: the government now views the internet as a problem to be solved.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:22 | 763135 chinaguy
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justify the passing of internet censorship laws "To protect us" from dangerous information and "dangerous ideas", and of course "unfounded lies" (when this one is used, you know something is telling the truth!).

Uh huh, & the PRC does it very well. Try accessing Facebook or Youtube in China - LOL


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:24 | 763142 chinaguy
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:01 | 763242 IQ 145
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 I sum up this situation as bailing out the bond owning class at the expense of the taxpaying class.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:08 | 763502 theopco
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first intelligent thing you've said

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:30 | 763298 Harry Hood
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The psyops conspiracy link in the original post does not work, does someone have a mirror to that article? 

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 03:19 | 763882 szjon
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The BBC had live rolling coverage of the march on their 24hr news channel. It was also the headline on their web page. The truth is that the protest sucked, no violence to get the media interested and they were here in their droves lining the route on rooftops in their hundreds. They were all dissapointed.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 18:59 | 762879 djsmps
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I can't wait.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:22 | 763131 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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That's another beef. Why have to wait until next year to find out which bank? Unless Mr Assange is thinking of a spot of blackmail to the lowest bidder in the appeasement dept?

There was news today that WaMu had lost 100,000 mortgage files (as they were being moved from Houston to Juarez, Mexico).

Figure if the avg cost of each mortgage is 100K, that is $10 billion down the shitter.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:42 | 763453 goldsaver
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Hmmm.... why would WaMu move 100,000 mortgage paperwork to Juarez? Why get them out of the country? Unless you wanted them lost and be able to say in court, "Well your honor, the wet ink original was lost in Juarez, but we do have this MERS document here"

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:10 | 763633 Slewburger
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Maybe the cartels realized there was a new game in town.

You really can't make this shit up.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:05 | 763493 Seer
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"Why have to wait until next year to find out which bank?"

I would think it having to do with processing.  Redactions etc..

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 23:13 | 763512 Careless Whisper
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yeah well he should just announce which bank it is, so the competitor banks will send him contributions and he can hire more peeps to get the job done quicker.

im kinda hoping its not jp morgan because max keiser has them in his crosshairs.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:39 | 763316 Rumpole
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I can't wait either, but I'm wondering why the leak is being delayed until the new year?  What purpose does that serve? 


As for corrupt culture, well it seems to me GS, BoA, JPM, CITI, WFC are probably all on par.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:00 | 762881 CashCowEquity
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51% its BOFA

49% its Citibank

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:03 | 762893 Missing_Link
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99% it's Merrill Lynch

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:01 | 762884 Ivar Kreuger
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Hit me with the megaleak.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:50 | 763049 SWRichmond
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Knock me over with a passbook.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:02 | 762890 fatsak
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Interesting the timing of the leaks.  The Powers that be gave away the leak for some reason, either to provoke an attack, shut down the Internet, etc.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:51 | 763051 tmosley
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Or maybe they find their grip on the sand is too tight, and it is slipping between their fingers?

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 21:59 | 766588 UncleFester
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Sand or star systems?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:02 | 762891 EscapeKey
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insurance.aes256 must contain something good. Download it, if you haven't already.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:39 | 763019 Dapper Dan
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Regarding aes.256


Here is the formula for the trick Assange is pulling on the U.S. Government:

The U.S. Government will dedicate resources to decrypting the file Assange has uploaded which are proportionalto the amount of damage they believe the information will do, once released. The best defense against damage from the information being decrypted is to determine what the information is so that denials, defenses, etc. can be prepared in advance of general release of the information. Without knowing exactly what information is encrypted in the file, the U.S. Government will presumably allocate resources proportional to the most damaging thing they believe the encrypted information is likely to conceal.

That's right, he's turning their own level of guilt against them! Imagine this: There are two people sitting at a table, one having led an absolutely saintly life and the other an absolutely criminal one. I explain to each that before them is a box and in the box is a 3x5 index card with a list of the worst things they've ever done. I'll let them be alone with their boxes for one hour and after that hour I'll open each of the boxes and broadcast on national TV what is on each. Who's going to sweat?

Now, imagine those aren't people but governments.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:49 | 763048 LeBalance
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The saintly one will sweat because he didn't enjoy it.  The criminal is going to take a nap after a few pushups and he will be in heaven as you reveal all the things he's done.  He will get to relive every glorious second and revel in the angst being caused all over again to people he was involved with.

Governments care even less.  Because there is no one home.  The ultimate psychopath.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:46 | 763328 IQ 145
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 An astute analysis.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:45 | 763326 zelter
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AES256 cannot yet be broken in a lifetime, hence the USG will dedicate very little time attempting.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 08:45 | 763991 Dan_Sylveste
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You break the password, not the algorithm. AES4096 with a 2-character password = insecure.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:04 | 762897 dick cheneys ghost
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Its about damn time!! 

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:04 | 762898 sudzee
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Is it a possibility that the CFTC had no choice but to investigate JPM metals manipulation cause wikileaks was known to have pertenant information that would be published?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:05 | 762899 liberal sodomy
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It's the Vampire Squid!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:53 | 763059 Rainman
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....ah naw, Squid ain't no bank. They is a bucket shop disguised as a bank. Innocent.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:06 | 762901 mynhair
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Ooooo, I want to see what that scanner caught going into the shredder, or is that the shitter?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:05 | 762905 Jadr
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Tyler, you put out some great lines but,

" It almost seems that nothing short of photographic evidence of some very (in)famous bank CEOs have underage sex while filming snuff movies, dressed in drag, killing puppies and recording their market manipulation conversations with Brian Sack will even rattle the Ripn van Winkle formerly known as Eric Holder."

seriously tops the chart.  Pure gold.

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 12:46 | 764637 DaveyJones
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agree, how come my teachers never used these analogies

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:05 | 762906 Cojones
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There have been rumors about a  recovered GS harddrive for a while.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:07 | 762908 mynhair
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Luv those surplus equipment sales....

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:44 | 763031 Kali
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Gold, indeed, I vote for GS.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:25 | 763289 Sancho Ponzi
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Here's what Goldman does with their old HDD's:

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:07 | 762910 iDealMeat
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WTF..  why wait til next year??  Get it on..

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:08 | 762911 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Sperm bank? High level jissom disclosure?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:08 | 762914 deepsouthdoug
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PLEASE Be the Vampire Squid!!!!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:09 | 762915 JonNadler
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PLease, let it not be JP Morgan or am done!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:10 | 762917 HedgeFun
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Federal Reserve Bank!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:01 | 763243 Seymour Butt
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Hear, hear.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:11 | 762920 Spalding_Smailes
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Shanghai’s Air Bad, But Crazy Bad?

Air quality in Shanghai has plummeted since the World Expo left town, sliding from “excellent” to “polluted” and now—with levels of airborne particulates up to three times beyond what the government considers safe—downright frightening.

But even as the smog thickens, the question remains whether Shanghai can match a new standard of Sino-smokiness recently set by Beijing—a standard that (as one U.S. authority recently suggested) stretches the bounds of sanity.

According to a report in today’s China Daily, Shanghai’s air pollution index has broken 100 on eight days so far this month, at one point reaching 370—the worst reading in 10 years.

Scary stuff, no doubt. But compare that to last week in Beijing, when air pollution readings from a monitoring station at the U.S. Embassy soared past 500—a level so astonishing it prompted the embassy’s automated air pollution Twitter feed (which usually rates Beijing’s air quality on a scale from “Good” to “Hazardous”) to add a completely new rating: “Crazy Bad.”

According to an investigation last week by the Guardian’s Jonathan Watts, the “Crazy Bad” designation — which was quickly taken down and replaced with the more bureaucratic “Beyond Index” — was a joke written into the embassy’s monitoring software that had been triggered by the off-the-charts reading .

“It was an inadvertent humorous moment,” Watts quoted U.S. embassy spokesman Richard Buangan as saying. Buangan then went on to express pleasure that, far from being excoriated for the blunder, the “Crazy Bad” miscue had seemed to make “heroes” out of the embassy staff.

Inadvertent or not, the new designation helped focus attention on just how awful the Chinese capital’s air had become. How bad is crazy bad? Try 15 times the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s standard for acceptable concentrations of particulate matter.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:17 | 762943 Spalding_Smailes
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The wilder wording was probably closer to capturing the danger posed by pollution at these levels, which has been linked to brain damage, bronchial disease and heart attacks.

Several residents said "crazy bad" was refreshingly frank, particularly given the reluctance of Chinese officials to disclose real-time pollution data or any measurements of ozone or PM2.5 particulate matter.

US embassy spokesman, Richard Buangan, said the "crazy bad" term was a mistake that has been corrected. "It was an inadvertent humorous moment," he said. "We thought it might blow up in our faces. But looking at the Twitter feed, we are seen as heroes."

Beijing's air quality monitoring office declined comment. An official said there was insufficient research to explain why the pollution haze has been so murky this week.

The culprit is likely to be a combination of weather, traffic and coal-burning power stations. With car ownership surging, the government said last week that China's vehicles discharged 51m tonnes of pollutants every year.

The smog will not have been helped by the massive switch-on of northern China's heating supply last week. Public heating – mostly fuelled by coal – begins on 15 November and ends on 15 March regardless of the temperature.

One of my colleagues has taken to wearing a facemask on his commute through the streets. The Guardian's research assistant, Cui Zheng, prefers not to think about the air we all have to breathe. "I had to stop following the @Beijingair tweets. They were too depressing," she explained.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:26 | 763291 billwilson
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Lived in Taiwan many years ago when we used to get numbers in the mid 400's. If you opened the window you could pretty much cut out a square of air, it was that thick with smog.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:44 | 763030 Kayman
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Isn't Crony Capitalism great. Transfer your pollution out of the country.

Maybe we get lucky and some leading Chicoms get cancer.

Six Sigma that Jack Welcher.

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 03:36 | 767235 4xaddict
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This time of year the people in the surrounding rural areas all burn off their rice paddies which are currently drained and about to be prepared for planting post winter.

It happens every year and they've been around for thousands of them. It dissipates quickly in the next month or so.

Just more ignorant "China BS" here on ZH.

No wonder they censor their internet to keep out the propaganda machine that is the US if so many people have this redneck insular attitude.

Published by the WSJ, really? I mean this must be the foremost expert on internal Chinese issues surely.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:12 | 762924 prophet
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Smoking guns and silver bullets aplenty this season.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:14 | 762929 Xibalba
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:15 | 762934 vote_libertaria...
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Wow, this guy is begging for an 'accident'.


My guess (if true) it will be GS.  Maximum press coverage.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:16 | 762938 johnmilan
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Escapekey, can you please post a link or email me the link?

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:18 | 762950 EscapeKey
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Just search for "insurance.aes256" on google. Lots of bittorrent links to it.

It's 1.4GB and obviously just random data, until the key is released - which presumably will be released, in the event of Assange's... well... disappearance.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:23 | 762967 Xibalba
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seeding now

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:16 | 762940 moofph
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...other than embarass a few aristo-oligarcho-pentagono-psychos, i haven't seen the wikileaks doing much to change the course for this beached whale of a kingdom called earth...please, enlighten me of the wiki-bankie guess is that we already know about the who, what, where, when, why, and how.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:29 | 763425 karzai_luver
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whales don't turn on a dime, hold your fire ....

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:17 | 762942 FatFingered
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Hail Mary, Allah Ahkbar, and a Namaste!  JPM Please.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:27 | 762983 Uncle Remus
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As a future event, I think it would be Insha'Allah. Post (JPM) disclosure it would Takbir all around and Masha'Allah.

Just sayin'

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:32 | 763305 Who is John Galt
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Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:18 | 762945 Arius
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tyler - you are ahead of everybody. just heard it as BReaking News from Wolf Blitzer CNN, check ZH and it has been already here for 20 minutes.

Lesson: check ZH 24/7

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:25 | 762953 EscapeKey
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It's on Denninger's site as well (and BusinessInsider as well, though with that giant cock, Joe Weaselthal, I don't know if I should promote that shitty service). Blogs > MSM.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:20 | 762954 monopoly
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Tyler, too funny. I cannot tell you all how comfortable I am with physical gold, silver and the miners. Sure there will be dumps but I have no interest in this market. I may take a trade or two once in a while but NFLX to 300 PCLN to 500 and GOOG to 700. Have a good time, it does not bother me one bit. For when it ends, it will end very badly and I for one want to view it from the outside. Not shorting either and have not for months now, just not worth it. So, carry on America, you will not have me to bury.

In all my years on this planet I have never seen a country as broken, insolvent or sick as this one. But until the sheeples march, there will be no change. We need a peaceful revolution, or else.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:25 | 762975 Cdad
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Yes, the broken country.  Yes, the peaceful revolution.  Easy.

Defund.  Save your money.  Close your wallet.  Presto.  Problem quite literally solved.  Watch it all just fall away....


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:29 | 762990 monopoly
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cdad, yes, we have. We look at the absurd tales of broken, I mean black Friday and just laugh. They stand in line to put more 19% debt on their credit cards. We buy just what we need except for an extra gun or two.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:41 | 763023 Cdad
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You seem to guns required. 

As the beast thrashes about in its last days, it does so reaching for money and power and power and money, the only things it knows.  And as it destroys the very base of money it needs in its mad lust, simply denying it the food of "profits" or "revenue" ...kills it. 

It is a massively complicated problem with the simplest of solutions.  Imagine, if you will, if a few patriotic Tea Party folk simply won the small victory of killing the auto feeder of "tax withholdings?"  Think about that for a moment...that little legislative shift for freedom's sake.  What would happen?

Be it government or corporate in nature, which ever tentacle of the beast you want to single out and strike at, it is only a matter of defunding...which can be done legally and peacefully. 

Relax.  No guns required.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:59 | 763072 honestann
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Well, that might eventually work, by destroying the currency.  However, as is happening now, the FederalReserve simply prints whatever quantity of money the predators-that-be request.  Right now they're printing money to buy all US government debt.  After another year or two, they might be financing the entire budget of the USSA.

As long as the predators-that-be control the printing presses, and people accept fiat, fake, fraud, fiction, fantasy toilet paper debt currency, they can keep their scam running.

What would destroy them is if everyone converted all their paper assets into gold and silver, and started buying and selling with gold and silver.  Short of that, they control everything.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 21:49 | 763337 calltoaccount
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Real Hope Is About Doing Something Posted on Nov 29, 2010

By Chris Hedges

On Dec. 16 I will join Daniel EllsbergMedea BenjaminRay McGovernand several military veteran activists outside the White House to protest the futile and endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many of us will, after our rally in Lafayette Park, attempt to chain ourselves to the fence outside the White House. It is a pretty good bet we will all spend a night in jail. Hope, from now on, will look like this.

Hope is not trusting in the ultimate goodness of Barack Obama, who, like Herod of old, sold out his people. It is not having a positive attitude or pretending that happy thoughts and false optimism will make the world better. Hope is not about chanting packaged campaign slogans or trusting in the better nature of the Democratic Party. Hope does not mean that our protests will suddenly awaken the dead consciences, the atrophied souls, of the plutocrats running Halliburton, Goldman Sachs, ExxonMobil or the government.

Hope does not mean we will halt the firing in Afghanistan of the next Hellfire missile, whose explosive blast sucks the oxygen out of the air and leaves the dead, including children, scattered like limp rag dolls on the ground. Hope does not mean we will reform Wall Street swindlers and speculators, or halt the pillaging of our economy as we print $600 billion in new money with the desperation of all collapsing states. Hope does not mean that the nation’s ministers and rabbis, who know the words of the great Hebrew prophets, will leave their houses of worship to practice the religious beliefs they preach. Most clerics like fine, abstract words about justice and full collection plates, but know little of real hope.

Hope knows that unless we physically defy government control we are complicit in the violence of the state. All who resist keep hope alive. All who succumb to fear, despair and apathy become enemies of hope. They become, in their passivity, agents of injustice. If the enemies of hope are finally victorious, the poison of violence will become not only the language of power but the language of opposition. And those who resist with nonviolence are in times like these the thin line of defense between a civil society and its disintegration.

Hope has a cost. Hope is not comfortable or easy. Hope requires personal risk. Hope does not come with the right attitude. Hope is not about peace of mind. Hope is an action. Hope is doing something. The more futile, the more useless, the more irrelevant and incomprehensible an act of rebellion is, the vaster and the more potent hope becomes. Hope never makes sense. Hope is weak, unorganized and absurd. Hope, which is always nonviolent, exposes in its powerlessness the lies, fraud and coercion employed by the state. Hope does not believe in force. Hope knows that an injustice visited on our neighbor is an injustice visited on us all. Hope posits that people are drawn to the good by the good. This is the secret of hope’s power and it is why it can never finally be defeated. Hope demands for others what we demand for ourselves. Hope does not separate us from them. Hope sees in our enemy our own face. 

Hope is not for the practical and the sophisticated, the cynics and the complacent, the defeated and the fearful. Hope is what the corporate state, which saturates our airwaves with lies, seeks to obliterate. Hope is what our corporate overlords are determined to crush. Be afraid, they tell us. Surrender your liberties to us so we can make the world safe from terror. Don’t resist. Embrace the alienation of our cheerful conformity. Buy our products. Without them you are worthless. Become our brands. Do not look up from your electronic hallucinations to think. No. Above all do not think. Obey.

W.H. Audenwrote:

Faces along the bar
Cling to their average day:
The lights must never go out,
The music must always play,
All the conventions conspire
To make this fort assume
The furniture of home;
Lest we should see where we are, 
Lost in a haunted wood,
Children afraid of the night
Who have never been happy or good.

The powerful do not understand hope. Hope is not part of their vocabulary. They speak in the cold, dead words of national security, global markets, electoral strategy, staying on message, image and money. The powerful protect their own. They divide the world into the damned and the blessed, the patriots and the enemy, the rich and the poor. They insist that extinguishing lives in foreign wars or in our prison complexes is a form of human progress. They cannot see that the suffering of a child in Gaza or a child in the blighted pockets of Washington, D.C., diminishes and impoverishes us all. They are deaf, dumb and blind to hope. Those addicted to power, blinded by self-exaltation, cannot decipher the words of hope any more than most of us can decipher hieroglyphics. Hope to Wall Street bankers and politicians, to the masters of war and commerce, is not practical. It is gibberish. It means nothing.

I cannot promise you fine weather or an easy time. I cannot assure you that thousands will converge on Lafayette Park in solidarity. I cannot pretend that being handcuffed is pleasant. I cannot say that anyone in Congress or the White House, anyone in the boardrooms of the corporations that cannibalize our nation, will be moved by pity to act for the common good. I cannot tell you these wars will end or the hungry will be fed. I cannot say that justice will roll down like a mighty wave and restore our nation to sanity. But I can say this: If we resist and carry out acts, no matter how small, of open defiance, hope will not be extinguished. If all we accomplish is to assure a grieving mother in Baghdad or Afghanistan, a young man or woman crippled physically and emotionally by the hammer blows of war, that he or she is not alone, our resistance will be successful. Hope cannot be sustained if it cannot be seen.

Any act of rebellion, any physical defiance of those who make war, of those who perpetuate corporate greed and are responsible for state crimes, anything that seeks to draw the good to the good, nourishes our souls and holds out the possibility that we can touch and transform the souls of others. Hope affirms that which we must affirm. And every act that imparts hope is a victory in itself.

Also from Auden:

Defenseless under the night
Our world in stupor lies;
Yet, dotted everywhere,
Ironic points of light
Flash out wherever the Just
Exchange their messages:
May I, composed like them
Of Eros and of dust,
Beleaguered by the same
Negation and despair,
Show an affirming flame.


Chris Hedges is Truthdig columnist and a senior fellow at The Nation Institute. His newest book is “Death of the Liberal Class.”More information on the Dec. 16 protest can be found at

AP / Pablo Martinez Monsivais

Lt. Dan Choi, center, and other demonstrators stand at the White House fence after handcuffing themselves to it Nov. 15 during a protest for gay rights. The group demanded that President Barack Obama keep his promise to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

Tue, 11/30/2010 - 04:17 | 763910 StychoKiller
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To summarize:  Pray, but move your feet!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:21 | 762956 Millivanilli
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When wikileaks leads to real arrests then  I'll believe they are legit.  Until then,  I'll assume that they are a route for the internet to get shut down.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:28 | 762989 mikla
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The "internet shut-down" is moving into a new era, as evidenced through new government legislation/control (e.g., "kill switch"), government activism (e.g., "domain-taking-for-media-distribution-sites"), and today with Comcast demanding cash from Level3 or Comcast will stop delivering Netflix movies to customers.

It's about to get interesting:  We *might* very quickly move to "You do not have permission to access that website, as per our partnering agreement with our close vendors."

You should do like me:  I downloaded a copy of the internet for my personal use, in case I won't have access to it in the future.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 20:26 | 763152 Amish Hacker
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There's an app for that.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:22 | 762961 Cdad
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What I personally need is a huge document dump from Wiki on NBC.  For the army of propaganda needs to be stopped as much as Wall Street.  Of course these things, mixed with DC crony capitalism, are all part of one beast, but post four days of "Shopping" as the driving content, and this while the Euro teeters, has left me virtually insane.


Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:22 | 762962 Dabale arroz a ...
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That is good news. I hope one day it will be realistic to wish "sink The Powers That Be!"!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:24 | 762968 ThreeTrees
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Awesome!  Frontrun THAT motherfuckers.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:25 | 762970 eblair
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OK, This is good.  I know politics.  Economics not so much.  Judging by the other threads, there are plenty of you who reasonably believe that Wikileaks is other than what it appears to be.  Assume that is the case.  Assume that it is controlled by the powers that be.  So, if Assange is going to go after a bank it would not be in such a way as to damage the powers that be.  So, let's see who can predict what the banking story will be that will make some noise but not endanger the powers that be.  Who can predict Wikileaks' bank story?  Prizes will be awarded.  In the event of a tie, the first submission will win!  (Actually, you can play even if you believe Wikileaks is what it says it is.) 
Sorry for all the bold, but I'm so excited!

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:54 | 763061 bankonzhongguo
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BAC/BAS.  There will be nothing more shrill, humiliating and compelling to "America" than to have its namesake bank be forced down the road like GM.  That will do several things.  It will keep the other TBTF alive, it will compel some sort of new XDR backed reserve currency to solve Europe and America's "ills" and it will justify consolidating the US domestic retail banking sector in accordance with Basel 3, thereby co-opting many many lessor regional banks into a merger-to-survive frenzy.  All for the good of America. 

I just don't think its going to be a hit piece about GS taking hammers to puppies.

Frankly, the more I see Assange dodging "rape" arrests, giving interviews to MSM and otherwise walking around breathing the more dubious I become of their motives.  G-d, I'm getting old.

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 19:59 | 763073 wisefool
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I am 100% with you son. The thing that correlates the largest mode (not not median) of the federal+state governments expenses with the TPTB Banks is receipts from applebees from business trips in dystopian commercial parks.

Way creepier and tasteless than any conspiracy theory. A hungry man in every microwave.

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