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Wikileaks Next Target: "A Big US Bank"
Honest distributor of leaked data or a clever PsyOps front, one can not deny that whatever it is, Wikileaks does share some unique information with the world (as to how it is interpreted is a different story). Yet for the most part, the bulk of the organization's recent exposures have focused on the US military and away from the private sector, and thus away from that which is really important in today's world: money (of a paper representation thereof). Which is we read with interest in the latest Julian Assange interview with Forbes' Andy Greenberg that next on the docket of Wikileaks disclosure is not some facebooky look into the gossip world of international espionage or the foreign service, but something far more tangible and relevant: "A Big US Bank."
From the interview:
These megaleaks, as you call them that, we haven’t seen any of those from the private sector.
No, not at the same scale for the military.
Will we?
Yes. We have one related to a bank coming up, that’s a megaleak. It’s not as big a scale as the Iraq material, but it’s either tens or hundreds of thousands of documents depending on how you define it.
Is it a U.S. bank?
Yes, it’s a U.S. bank.
One that still exists?
Yes, a big U.S. bank.The biggest U.S. bank?
No comment.
When will it happen?
Early next year. I won’t say more.
One needs to ask whether this is what we need: after all the US public already has enough public data to convict the executives of all the banks for numerous consecutive life sentences as is. It almost seems that nothing short of photographic evidence of some very (in)famous bank CEOs have underage sex while filming snuff movies, dressed in drag, killing puppies and recording their market manipulation conversations with Brian Sack will even rattle the Rip van Winkle formerly known as Eric Holder. But then again, we can hope...
As for Assange's reason for coming to public with the bank exposition:
What do you want to be the result of this release?
[Pauses] I’m not sure.
It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume. Usually when you get leaks at this level, it’s about one particular case or one particular violation.
For this, there’s only one similar example. It’s like the Enron emails. Why were these so valuable? When Enron collapsed, through court processes, thousands and thousands of emails came out that were internal, and it provided a window into how the whole company was managed. It was all the little decisions that supported the flagrant violations.
This will be like that. Yes, there will be some flagrant violations, unethical practices that will be revealed, but it will also be all the supporting decision-making structures and the internal executive ethos that cames out, and that’s tremendously valuable. Like the Iraq War Logs, yes there were mass casualty incidents that were very newsworthy, but the great value is seeing the full spectrum of the war.
You could call it the ecosystem of corruption. But it’s also all the regular decision making that turns a blind eye to and supports unethical practices: the oversight that’s not done, the priorities of executives, how they think they’re fulfilling their own self-interest. But it’s also all the regular decision making that turns a blind eye to and supports unethical practices: the oversight that’s not done, the priorities of executives, how they think they’re fulfilling their own self-interest. The way they talk about it.
While we refuse to pass judgment on Assange's character, and his motivations, it appears that he may have finally figured out that to enact change in a country, you have to go not after the politicians or even the military industrial complex. After all both of those are puppets for the moneyed interests. One has to go after the very heart of the financial oligarchy. Money always has made the world go round, never more so than in the US currently. Perhaps Assange can redeem himself of all attacks on his persona if he does succeed in disclosing something that is beyond mere watercooler talk and actually leads to at least one major prosecution. After all, the US' own regulatory and enforcement mechanisms are corrupt beyond repair, and completely unable to do so on their own...
(and yes, we certainly hope it is not Lehman Brothers, although the bank in question is most certainly going to get the Lehman treatment. The question is who will benefit from this disclosure, and now that Goldman's FICC desk is no longer the gold mine it used to be, there are some suggestions)
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BofA makes the most sense. Operating from the assumption that the greater financial crisis is both a looting operation and a consolidation of the financial industry, BofA seems to be the "outsider" amongst the TBTFs... and likely the next competitor in line to be "absorbed" by Goldman and JPM. When BofA was basically force-fed the stinking carcass of Countrywide by the Treasury, they inherited an indigestible mess of bad mortgages. IMO this was done intentionally, to plant a time-bomb that could be detonated at the Fed's convenience...
Not much of a story will be needed to strike the match – a few leaked internal emails/memos detailing their insolvency should do the trick (a failed "stress test" perhaps?). As we saw with Lehman, all the TBTFs need is a whiff of negativity publicly, combined with an all-out assault on the stock behind the scenes, to bring BofA to its knees. Child's play, really.
Julian Assange works for the CIA\MI5, and is deliberately spreading Disinformation.
I believe we are seeing a intelligence technique called limited hangout , is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details
"The only opposition that is bad, it´s the one you do not control" MI5
"Junked" 5 times!! This is why "they" keep getting away with it.
This scenario is as likely as any other.
If this lack of imagination keeps up I may have to throw in with TPTB.
"They" seem to be onto something with this 'people are stupid' meme.
Valid as any other conspiracy theory out there, why the junks?
Because this isn't a conspiracy theorist/truther/nutjob website, you flake.
maybe the documents should be released to CNBC first!
I doubt anything big is going to happen.
Certainly, no bank executives are going to go to jail.
At worst, they pay a fine, admit no wrongdoing, and move on with their millionaire lifestyles.
Odds are about 75% that the banking sector will be bottoming in the next 3 days.
If the SPY breaks below the 50-day after holding it 3 times, I'll change my mind.
That's "Billionaire Lifestyle" RT...
But I agree with your analysis... fines of 0.1% of profit are just a couple of Rolexes in the overall expense scheme of things...
Nah, we must NEVER entertain the notion that any of RobotAsswipe's kleptocratic heros might actually suffer any real justice, much less actual punishment and jail time! Why, that would cut into short-term PROFITS --- and we simply can't have that!
I am always left wondering which of you, RobotTraitor or Leo Kolonasskiss, is the one most willing to bend over and happily take it long and deep from the banksters and financial oligarchs --- just as long as they throw you some crumbs in return. Whichever it may be, you are clearly both pretty cheap dates.
Hate it or not isn't it obvious Robot is in another league when it comes to market calls and social analysis.
Almost forgot to the point writng style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7bwil9dT7U
What if the info includes Chris Dodd, or even Obamatron agreeing to some Quid Pro Quo (on video) from JPM?
so where did the "gay activist" bank at?
The back door ..?
I'm downing a lot of beers right now, and I feel a megaleak coming on.
Beer contains Vitamin P.
Someone needs to use this "insider" info for their financial benefit. That's why this sad human being is being paid to sprinkle bits of information. The big fish need to eat smaller fish.
Can't wait
And who exactly do you envision doing the prosecuting?
In Julian's blogs, he's been very clear about his motives - a bloodless revolution through the constraint of communication. So far things seem to be moving in that direction.
There was an incident a few months ago when a young Goldman female employee lost a laptop full of confidential data during here commute. But I did not check if this ever made it to the news and what came of it. Oh, well, perhaps someone found it and passed it on to WikiLeaks.
According to John Young at Cryptome, the "lost laptop" is bascially a joke cover for something much bigger.
In a democracy you have what is called the fifth estate ie. the press or media. This is the safety valve for any excesses of the other estate. This is what went wrong in the UK with new lab, the press actually believed the lies and stopped questioning the evil blair and brown. To some extent that is happening here in the US. Hence whether you agree with wikileaks or not it is actually providing a service to democracy by providing an argument or insite to the other side of the arguments. A bit like Zero Hedge.
The MSM would be the fourth estate. A leaking site like Cryptome or Wikileaks could be called a fifth estate.
Pah--more like the fifth column.
Bring it on, the more transparency the better!
I think JPM. They gutted their IT staff. So they have the most really pissed off people with access to the email data.
Most global corporations have gone to the out-sourcing model. There is zero loyalty to American employees. The irony that I see out of this is the double standard corporations have when it comes to information privacy. They pay off politicians to write laws which makes it legal to gather any kind of private information on individual citizens (what ever happened to opt-out requirements?) yet at the same time they demand privacy protection for themselves? They will get zero sympathy from most people.
If Assange was so dangerous for our oligarchies, he d be sure located in a heartbeat. People got assassinated for less than that...american presidents who tried to tell the truth on how things are really in this big wide world.
So assange is just a puppet and then bank that will be under spotlight next year will just be a cover.
Yeah, I've been saying that for a while, but what is your answer to the insurance file? See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo...
Ehh... A thought, and many questions.
"If Assange was so dangerous for our oligarchies, he d be sure located (sic??) in a heartbeat. So assange is just a puppet..."
so Dead=Legitimate?
it'll be slow going getting to the bottom of things at that rate....
so Dead=Legitimate?
Hell yeah, if you look at history that s the way they've legitimated it ! History is just a war battle, nothing different than now only today we use information, money as weapons.
Sorry wikileaks has left that oklahoma boy in military jail for releasing the helicopter video. It's hunt down disloyals operation. They use way way too much twitter to be for real.
Glad to see you Heph!!!!
You fuckin serious? His whole game is "getting the word out there" and you think he would better establish his legitimacy by ignoring one of the largest social networking sites on the internet???
haha, and you use too much full retard!
They don't understand. The have no idea what it means to be backed by these assholes and how to spot it. First it's akagami network yahoo and 17 times increase in value. They just don't watch the money and what happens.
People have no idea how evil AOL was and just why it isn't gone forever.
Awesome! Don't downplay this, chronological order is more important than a military leak, I can't wait. I want to know why Ken Lewis left BofA so suddenly, I want to read about Uncle Warren's "insurance" ops, I want to read!
I have a $150,000 mortgage w/ SunTrust, a $35,000 HELOC w/ Suntrust, I haven't paid in 2 years (of couse I'm inforeclosure!) FNMA owns my 1st, and SunTrust won't modify, funny? The lose the 2nd if they do, they should expect a putback on the 1st, oh, and why do they still have $5,000,000,000 of TARP money? They could help me with 0.0000015% of that, but no. OK WikiLeaks, hit SunTrust please! (My condo is worth $71,000 in Broward, FL and I am NOT in an FHA approved neighborhood- cash buyers only). He he.
The early line is up: (Notional Blip credits of course, All 2d, 3rd & 4th derivitive play is strictly private) Good luck!
BAC/ML 5:2 WFC 3:1 C 3:1 MS 4:1 GS 5:1 JPM 7:1
What a reflection of our times that the citizens of the world are looking to Wackyleaks to carry the load of investigative prowess within the financial services community of the United States. Perhaps it's because they're not lawyers. If they were they wouldn't be operating as stupidly as they have been which adds further fuel to the speculation surrounding their ultimate premise of operations.
I'll wager 50 Quatloos on JPM!
"(or a paper representation thereof)"
It's more than about time to separate the words 'currency' and 'money.'
More precision here would enhance transparency. Definitions of the former are trivial; it's the latter that's the rub.
No one is talking about the likelihood that it might be related to PM price suppression?
News of that sort from Wikileaks might just curbstomp the dollar or the whole fiat system...
I worry that TPTB could use such a finding and turn it around and state that it's because of the PM people that the System is being crushed. Remember: most people live and die by the fiat currency; just as folks in the US were led to believe that George W. Bush was a cowboy who talked to god, and that Iraq had WMD, well, the puppet masters can readily convince the bulk of their programming forces that it's the PM people's fault...
Trading in credit-default swaps, Wall Street’s fastest-growing business before the credit crisis, has tumbled 40 to 60 percent from three years ago as banks prepare for new regulation of derivatives.
The declines estimated by executives at four of the biggest dealers of swaps means lower profits at firms that used to get as much as two-thirds of credit-market trading revenue from the derivatives. Moody’s Investors Service says pending rules may translate into job cuts of as much as 50 percent in groups that trade the contracts.
The five biggest dealers -- JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. - - bought a net $430 billion of credit protection as of Sept. 30, down 38 percent from $689.9 billion in March 2009, filings with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York show.
Barclays Plc analyst Roger Freeman in New York estimates that before and during the credit crisis, Goldman Sachs generated two-thirds of its credit-trading revenue from derivatives. The contracts now likely contribute about a third, with the rest coming from bonds, he said. Michael DuVally, a spokesman at Goldman Sachs in New York, declined to comment.
Average daily trading in U.S. corporate bonds fell 12 percent the past six months compared with a year earlier, according to the Securities Industry & Financial Markets Association, a trade group.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-29/wall-street-shrinks-from-defaul...
Jamie & Lloyd Have Already Fingered BofA
Since JPM & Goldman are BIG FRBNY shareholders, you know Jamie & Lloyd were in on the decision for FRBNY to sue BofA...
BofA even money to take the fall...
I say Assange was spoon fed the dirt to torpedo a fall guy so the bigger fish are untouched...
Can't be JPM...
Jamie's the next US Treasury secretary... Rock, paper, scissors... Smug (Dimon) beats Snivel (Blank-dick)...
Can't be Goldman...
That bald snivelly, whiny, nasally Morey Amsterdam sounding MoFo Lloyd would never make it in a cell with Country Club Madoff...
Corporate emails are the logical next step for Assange. The power of internet is the democratic establishment's Frankenstein. The foundations are shaking!
The St. dept lady looked sick today. Wonder if K Lewis or B Moynahan will get the wikileak look too?
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/exwikileaks-staffers-launch-rival-whistleblowing-site/
I got a boner
I wonder what american gothic-doppleganger elizabeth warren will be instructed to say about all this. I used to believe pro wrestling was real, too.
Hi, I'm 80 years old and I just watched Fast Money today and the 'gang' said they were very bullish and Mellisa Lee said the economy was 'coming back.' So I'm going to invest the last half of my money that I didn't lose in 2008 because I know you guys are never biased and I can take what you say to the bank. Even though the general message from your network in 2007 was that the economy was great and I lost most of my money, I would do the same thing again because your anchors always seem to know what they're talking about. They use big numbers and interview all kinds of important looking people who also look like they know what they're talking about. We all love your network here at the retirement home and we watch it all day. I wish your programming didn't end at 8 PM because I would watch it all night too!
marissa ree should be spinning alound in a bored-out rattan basket in thailand. Not offelling her luminations upon the bernank's market.
Just caught it on Tivo. She wore her hair back today and it was cute. not to mention different.
Sarcasm partially on: I vote for the federal reserve to do 2 (two) simultaneousness pomos once per week to get mel to wear her hair back more often!
"CNBC is the number one business and financial news channel, delivering fast, accurate, actionable and unbiased coverage of the markets." Do you gents still have your "Dow 10,000" ball caps ? Personally, a Feather Fedora looks rather dapper. http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/b/0/0/88/2/AAAAC0nwVpEAAAAAAIgs-Q.jpg?v=1...
No self-respecting pimp would ever wear that hat!
BY NOW...MAXIMUM pressure on "Julian assange", his family, etc...
BUT, I have never seen his mom and dad's NAME reported in any publication, anywhere, whatsoever.
Why? Weird.
I've read lot of details about his parents life, their custody battles, met at a Vietnam war rally, in a famous cult.
BUT - not one publication ANYWHERE has reported their names?
I find that odd.
Does anyone here know the names of mom and dad of the most sought-after individual in the world?
Mopsie and Popsie
Mopsie met Popsie when he was trading FHA whole loans, section 743's to be exact, on Morgan Stanley's bond desk when she had just given up her position as the social secretary and fund raiser for the American branch of the Red Army Faction's Che Guevara Annual Look Alike Ball, Rotisserie Giveaway Lottery and Keg Party in New York City.
Surprised by her poise and social graces, Mopsie was quickly scooped up by the famous white shoe firm as the mortgage desk's liaison with the nascent securitization team responsible for ensuring the appropriate legal transfer of title prior to and during the securitization process, her policies for which were later adapted by Fannie, Freddie and FHA itself and remain in force to this very date.
Popsie was always the noted standout of the spirited mortgage backed crowd easily identified by his penchant for overly joyously colored duck, sailboat and whale printed golf pants matched spectacularly with burgundy penny loafers inset with half Krugerrand coins.
It was later rumored that Popsie secured a plum position on the municipal bond finance desk at Goldman Sachs where he spearheaded the art of interest rate swaps when assigned the mandate to ensure the lowest possible ongoing funding costs for unsophisticated municipal counteraparties whose stellar list of clientele are rumored to have included the Jefferson Polk Davis, Jr. County Louisiana Swearer Works and Sundry Budgetary Overrun Authority or some such shit whatever it might or might not have been.
Mopsie and Popsie were apparently not available for comment when we didn't bother to try to reach them to verify any of the ginned up information in this article, nor did we even waste or time bothering to check Wikipedia, the world's preeminent source of fabricated knowledge.
No name, but given the level of detail (if true), I couldn't imagine the mother would be hard to find. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/06/07/100607fa_fact_khatchadouri...
second article on page - Christine Assange - if you believe the Daily Mail:
The Mail on Sunday tracked down Mr Assange’s mother Christine in the beach resort of Mentone, near Melbourne, where she runs a puppet theatre and children’s face-painting businessRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299311/FBI-question-WikiLeaks-mother-Welsh-home-Agent-interrogate-distressed-woman-search-sons-bedroom.html#ixzz16j8czGHF
Thanks! You found one! It gets even stranger.... This is perhaps the only article about her. All the others with her name tell the same story about her protesting against Muslims clothing something about bikini protest.
The strange part is the New Yorker wrote, "I'll call her Claire".
Well, who's Claire? (Claire Everton?) She the PUPPET show girl. Who's Christine? She's the PUPPET designer for the puppet show!
LMAO.
Haha, fucking puppet theater!!
You can't make that shit up.
His parent's names are John McCain and Hillary Duff. Yes - I know, its a pretty strange world out there.
I know this: if a certain tribe of jews is in charge of the bank that is named, nothing will happen, everyone will get bigger bonuses.
However, a bank that is not controlled by jews, or is of the wrong tribe (Lehman, Fuld) is the most likely target.
It's always about the Jews and Protestants, isn't it? Bush I and II: protestants; Clinton, a puppet of the Jews; theBamster sits Shiva with Lord Blankfein.
Protestant and catholic is a religious denomination, while Jews is a race all of its own. So Bush being a protestant does not mean he is a WASP, just as John Kerry being a catholic does not mean he is white. Check out Solomon Bush of the 18th century. And then of course Bush's nose and anti-white immigration policies.
???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qoCq-KsmZU
It's got nothing to do with Bush, you overplayed a winning hand. It definitely will not be a Jew York based bank.
When the street lamp decoration committee gets formed and the decoration lists get handed out, we might be on to something.
I muzt zay zat, Z protocols are being conformed to. Sank you.
"That's a forgery and an outrageous canard"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qUFDMUpk9jE/SfzPSpiyZ_I/AAAAAAAAST8/w-QeR0mRYRE/s400/abe_foxman_claw.JPG
"declared to be a forgery" !! Hmm. Ok.
My bet is Citibank.
Let' em all go bust !
If Wikileaks is being used as a conduit for filtered information, to give a false impression through elimination of details which would be unfavorable to one's position, then this could happen part of the time.
Wikileaks might not be completely subverted, and could still be used as a dupe.
In such case, the information provided could still be useful, but the analysis failure would be to accept it as complete.
The most controlling banks seem to be Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. If leaks come out that seriously damage either of these banks, it will be a coup d'etat.
If the dirt is on Bank of America or Citi, it will just hasten their being gobbled up like Bear Stearns. It will just look like more manipulation to feed the vampire squid.
If there is dirt on JP Morgan or Goldman, Assange should be dead, like Lincoln, like Kennedy. there is no reason for a bank not to kill him. The blame would not get put on the bank, and WTF, if it did. Who is a bank? Nothing like this would leave more than a snail trail to the edge of the garden.
Yeah, but what about the insurance file?
If Wikileaks is being used as a conduit for filtered information, to give a false impression through elimination of details which would be unfavorable to one's position, then this could happen part of the time.
Wikileaks might not be completely subverted, and could still be used as a dupe.
In such case, the information provided could still be useful, but the analysis failure would be to accept it as complete.
The most controlling banks seem to be Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. If leaks come out that seriously damage either of these banks, it will be a coup d'etat.
If the dirt is on Bank of America or Citi, it will just hasten their being gobbled up like Bear Stearns. It will just look like more manipulation to feed the vampire squid.
If there is dirt on JP Morgan or Goldman, Assange should be dead, like Lincoln, like Kennedy. there is no reason for a bank not to kill him. The blame would not get put on the bank, and WTF, if it did. Who is a bank? Nothing like this would leave more than a snail trail to the edge of the garden.
Classic Espionage 101. Feed the enemy enough information from a reputable enough channel to "encourage" them to make the wrong assumption, take the wrong turn. Maybe all you buy is some time but you die when you run out of time, so time is the real enemy.
Psy-ops sure, but with a double-reverse-twist-with-a-flip. Helps if you have good mental balance.
Nice kitty. I love your other one (Maine Coon?), but this, this, I wouldn't fuck with.
B of A, B of A, B of A
JPM is the biggest bank.
However, I still wish it was the Fed.
If he unloads on the inside info on a bank.....
If he does that, He WILL be found dead of a heart attack in a Hot Tub, Or a tragic single engine plane crash.
Or to really send a message, he'll be relaxing in a hot tub miles away from any electrical appliances and a single engine plane will crash into him.
I'm sorry, that's terrible. I shouldn't think such things. But --- but --- I just couldn't help myself.
Everyone is salivating for GS and JPM, I don't think it'll be either. I hope I'm wrong.
I am sure it will be something smaller. Those two are mercenary banks for the .gov. Most of these leaks pull punches, more hype than leak.
WikiLeaks doesn't have to be psy-ops to work for the government, they don't even have to knowingly/deliberately work for the government to actually work for the government. Think of WikiLeaks as a confessional. Some shit needs to be fixed, and you know it, so you go to confession. You go there to spill the beans anonymously. The beans are spilled, and nobody knows who spilled them, and then shit gets taken care of in a way that doesn't point fingers at major playerz.
All nice and clean. No loose ends.
Lots of people working here toward similar goals, using different tools and any tool they can get hands on. Moving in the dark with others you can sense but can't quite touch. Tricky bit of ninja play, all around. Show respect, keep moving, we all gotta work together tomorrow too.
And then suddenly -- the shit goes down. Nice play guys. Beers anyone?
Or the gov uses them and they don't even know it. Get one of their own to deliberately "leak" some stuff, maybe something juicy good for a test run, then some serious disinformation from another "whistle blower."
The New Yorker's big profile on Julian Assange omitted his mom and dad's name, even though they included his childhood as a main part of story. They also referred to her lengthy battles in court, a cult, etc...
Yet, even the New Yorker gave his mom a fake name. "Let's call her Claire...."
None have reported the mom or dad's name, although they include heavy detail of mom and dad's life, including the number of "motions" in court over a custody battle, how they met, etc..
Isn't that somewhat bizarre, especially when you're telling a detailed story of his childhood with potentially a single source? Referring heavily to unnamed people? Then admitting to creating "fake names" for them?
Why?
The US and AU certainly know his parent's names, right, if they're investigating him.... Dad was in famous cult, but goes nameless? Would everyone engage in this type of identity protection to "be nice"??
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299311/FBI-question-WikiLeaks-mother-Welsh-home-Agent-interrogate-distressed-woman-search-sons-bedroom.html#ixzz16j8czGHF
Thanks, see above. I googled her name curiously and came up with a face painting book! With puppets and face painting, as you posted, gots to be her...
Pretty expensive for paint and sponge. Wonder what's in it...
http://www.amazon.com/Face-Painting-Amazing-Fun-Boxes/dp/1741575222
QUESTION:
What is the absolute worst sector right now?
ANSWER:
Solar stocks. But the 2nd worst is financials.
QUESTION:
If you were a Goldman Sachs Prop Desk trader. What trade would make you the fastest amount of money in the shortest period of time?
ANSWER:
Gunning financials higher when all the macro traders have huge bearish bets on them.
QUESTION:
What would create "instantaneous positive feedback loop" for the economy, bank lending, job creation?
ANSWER:
A huge, unexpected rally in financials.
QUESTION:
If you traded stocks for a living, and tried to think of what move the "casino" was going to pull off next, in order to ride with the "smart money" who act like criminals, which stocks would be be getting ready to buy?
ANSWER:
Financials
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Any questions?
LOL.....
No, other than to reiterate from a previous post;
Hate it or not isn't it obvious Robot is in another league when it comes to market calls and social analysis.
Almost forgot to the point writng style.
Are you really THAT naive?
The FIRE economy, Finance, Insurance and Real Estate is sooo 200X, we're now 201X
Yes, I have a question.
Is your mom still giving you free hand jobs or do you pay for them now?
LMAO....... this site is sooo educational; i've picked up more keen insights on how insult somebody than anywhere I can recall. thanks, Rick
Im not sure about Robo, but his mom gives me free handjobs.
If it's GS or JPM, I would not be surprised if anyone and everyone associated with WikiLeaks ends up in some "accident". Heck, you can make the US government, it's military and so forth... look stupid. But, mess with the big banks or the too interconnected corporations, and they will find you and take you out. Just look at what happened to all the biggest BP critics. They all found themselves dying from one accident or another.
Yeah, yeah, but what about the insurance file?
i love how you keep saying that.
could well be that m. assange gave dot.gov the key.
not that that matters, dotgov already knows what info is most damaging.
bad enough, and dotgov might be assange's best protection (while they assassinate his character).
Interesting to watch the response of the Obammie admin and the PTB to the progression of wikileaks targets:
US military -- somewhere between silence and `hey, not big deal. they deserve it.'
US State Dept -- `now wait a minute, those are our boys (and girls), this must be stopped. It's outrageous and treasonous'.
US TBTF bank -- `Yes Benji, yes Hanky, yes Uncle Lloyd, and Jamie D, hang on let me get my kneepads and bib on. Yes, I know. Must be stopped. It's ok. We have some black ops folks who are taking care of thing. mmm. smack, smack, mmmm.'
Even if Julian Assange were to 'fall down an elevator shaft' or whatever.....nothing would happen.
People would rant on Twitter and post blogs about it. Everyone up in arms. Big whoop.
These 'ground-shaking' leaks are irrelevant. We're still in the Middle East. Nothing has changed.
You think it's 'news' to the N. Koreans that a smile and a handshake photo op doesn't equate to our eternal 'love' for them? Everyone around the world hates us already. If THEY were to post documents proving that, would it really shock or upset anyone? I don't think so.
End a corrupt regime with a .pdf file.....*rolls eyes......AS IF.
I hope & pray the site does try to go after a big bank. It'll create the buying opportunity of a LIFETIME. Because you know C/BAC/JPM are never going to be put out of business because of an Internet posting.
Twist of fate: short the rumor / buy the news.
Wikileaks = Disinformation campaign (IMO)
Coming out with pro-American information all the sudden, leading to Iran being the bad boy. That certainly pushes an agenda.
This will all lead most likely to Internet censorship in some form.
you are just stupid.. the leaks paint Saudi as more corrupt than Iran.. the leaks just show how many are out to get Iran and how far USA will go or be pushed to go after them (French company selling tech that rebounds back to Iran...etc)
Man, the paranoia surrounding this Assange dude is THICK. Check this out, I can do it too: Maybe this is reverse reverse psychology psyops. What they're revealing is real but Assange's character is purposely being discredited in order to discredit the leaks themselves. Oh shit!! Now what am I supposed to think???
While I'm making up these kinds of baseless scenarios I'll do one from the other direction:
The "Embarrass the Diplomats" leak, while factual, is just a publicity stunt to build hype for the next, actually important release. "Hey look! Disclosure of inconsequential government dirty laundry! Oh by the way, I'm gonna release some shit on one of those bankers you all hate next."
I bet you Assange is running both of those games at the same time. Apparently this world has no shortage of masterminds with the prescience to weave an immensely complicated plan, timed just perfectly years in advance so as to essentially write history before its happened.
It may appear there is a learning curve, but the schedule is most likely calculated, because, " After all both of those are puppets for the moneyed interests." is right. I am sure the military info was released first on purpose. Call it a warning shot of sorts. To whom the shot was fired well, my question is, how depended are people to their governments and vice versa. The game will end sooner or later.
Lehman? No.
MBS scandal. Fraudclosuregate.
A girl can wish. Unjunk.
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Most likely this is so they can justify censoring the Internet.
Hackers' Manifesto (Original)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvS5bzyLH-c
Why are the publicly appointed officials squealing treason.. Hmmm. Time will reveal who is the kettle or the pot.
My questions|
If this is a National Security issue, why do these documents continue to be released?
I smell Cui bono.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny----- -Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826)
LMAO
Who's holding this bag???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_mGAvaQWLQ
"Yeah, baby, yeah!" -- Austin Powers
hell, Rusty, I don't know why eveybody's getting their panties in a knot over this... WAMU only lost 100K out of a MILLION files. Shit, that's only 10%. USG pisses away more than that every fuckin' DAY..... and ya don't hear anybody yellin' about them, do ya? :)
What do you want to be the result of this release?
[Pauses] I’m not sure.
It will give a true and representative insight into how banks behave at the executive level in a way that will stimulate investigations and reforms, I presume.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
These guys are naive amateurs out to change the world through wikileaks.
Idiots.
i wish somewbody would leak the name of the bank Wikileak will leak about
...which begs the question: does Wikileak leak?
And more importantly, can I trade on that?
BofA !
The oil-rich Arab nations want to keep Iran from from acquiring a nuclear power program that will allow Iran to export petroleum at lower prices. Everything else that I have read in the "leaked" documents tends to support the hard-line foreign policy that the oligarchs in Washington have been pushing for decades.
Christ, haven't these guys heard of pgp? I strenuously doubt that these "cables" are representative of any kind of objective reality.
Besides, I think it would behoove every American to keep his or her eye on the ball.
The ball is not emails between jackasses in the Department of State.
Just to make myself clear: If these "cables" were sent using mundane public/private key technology, it would take millions of years to decrypt them all.
So, apparently, all these documents were sent by clear text, or were decrypted and then encrypted in such a way that some dickwad (no offense) could gain unfettered access.
Hello?
probably using the same security as the drones. (ie: none)
This just off the wikileak-press: TBTF marks worthless asset to imaginary price, claims huge profit. Another TBTF borrows money for free then lends back to govt. Another TBTF is allowed to swap worthless MBS in exchange for US backed paper....
I'll be shocked if any leak is worse than the reality we already know.
shocked? stf by
"I'll be shocked if any leak is worse than the reality we already know."
Yes, that's it in a nutshell, really. But... the masses don't seem to listen to us, so perhaps having the information coming, uncensored (no through some spin/PR company), from the big corporations will be a bit tougher for the masses to ignore?
We all know that it's rigged and doomed. As is always the case, awareness never comes from within...
No wonder Barry, Holder and Hillary are all ticked off. They're going after their paymasters now. Sorry Julian - you'd better have a damn good food taster and a very loyal driver from now on.
I suspect that Julian is resigned to this fate, a martyr if you will. In which case once the milk is spilled it really won't matter.
dang, just remembering the 9/11 shorts on the U.S. airlines; anyone have a handle on spikes on otm put volume on the bankstas?
Of course, this is based on no insider information at all, just scrolling ZH ahd here I am.
- Ned
So... imagine if someone did this in China... what do you think the consequence would be?
This is why China will be around in 400 years and the world will be reading about history in Mandarin.
Regardless of what you think of government, this is just #uckin nuts. No two ways about it. This #uckhead should be dealt with.
prefer that long autocracy to a short democracy?
Look for Don't ask, don't tell.
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Look for Don't ask, don't tell.
I think it's brilliant how Assange is using the US goobermint to make wikileaks even more well-known. It seems he's giving this recent leak time to fester before the big one which will strike at the vampire squid's reprductive parts. Clearly, the bankers and TPTB are getting away with all they have done and will likely get to keep all the looted booty. But, perhaps the metal-mania will be kicked started which should be a fun ride.
We will find out soon if this is a Psyops operation. How? The Super Class Theme.
2007: Speaker: David Rothkopf
Carnegie Endowment for Peace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtNFZ6K0pE
Then this theme struck on an al jazeera TV sight. A new breed has emerged; they set the global agenda, ride on Gulfstreams and manage the credit crunch in their spare time.
http://vodpod.com/watch/4120314-superclass-empire-of-global-elites
Lets wait and see who fucks up during a ministry of disinformation cross up.
Goldman Sachs.
Simples.
I'd like to nominate Goldman Sach's as the bank in question. My reasoning is that anyone remember from last summer
I am wondering if that was the files in question, and the MSM doesn't understand anything that is related to the IT sector. Could it be he uploaded the info to a German server to be used on Wikileaks?It could be BAC, but its highly unlikely as BAC is already at deaths door...my money is on JPM.
Really, wtf can he post that we haven't discussed here???
Some wonder why Wikileaks is what it is.
Others stare in amazement at the sheer volume and detail.
Others are just plain shocked.
Others wonder when all of this will stop.
Others wonder what in the name of God they have believed for their entire lives.
Few are prepared to use the word War.
I will explain this in simple terms.
No individual can get that much information.
China has every single piece of information on the USA and its Citizens that it needs.
Wikileaks is the Lord Haw Haw of the modern age.
Go figure.
I hadn't thought about the possibility of him being an asset of the Chinese ... interesting.
That being said, given that he comes from a hacker culture (if that is true), he may not recognize or acknowledge he is being fed information or disinformation. He really might think he is a modern day V. (Or he may be one - I haven't seen any facts that support one view or the other yet) but ....
One thing you said that I have also wondered about is how one individual "can get that much information". Even with the Iraq War Wikileaks, I found it hard to believe all that info came from one low level private. With this embassy material, I wonder even more. Some individual, organization or gov wants this info out there - question is why?
One thing you said that I have also wondered about is how one individual "can get that much information". Even with the Iraq War Wikileaks, I found it hard to believe all that info came from one low level private.
Says it all really.
Even a hacker couldn't get all that information.
Oh. And one other thing.
The Climategate hack.
Was it a hack? Or were spooks involved.
It's OK to mess with and expose Government's and murderous regimes, but messing with and exposing a big U.S. bank might just get you dead, accidentally and coincidentallyof course?.
Wikileaks is a bullshit Psy-Ops program. None of the information that they have released has resulted in much of anything besides hot air being blown around in the media, and online.
Come on, he pops up in London of all places, the surveillance capital of the world. On the run from "Intelligence" agencies, and manages to evade them, but somehow the press can find him whenever they want to. Yeah, the UK is going to "potentially damage" its relationship with the US, over an Aussie.
Why don't you read up on the UKUSA Agreement? If Julian Assange was really putting out anything "too threatening", he would have been picked up, or suicided already. He's there to paint a picture that the press can spin to the masses, in order to further a preexisting agenda.
By giving it a Hollywood feel, the masses pay more attention, and it's really just that simple.
I think you give your goverment a little too much credit there.
War always includes the hostage.
It is essential.
You kill him.
We kill him.
Mr. Welligton:
Perhaps you are not giving them enough.
Notice how many people have gone to jail, or committed suicide, because of "the leaks"?
Are they anyone of any real significance? NO
Are they people who wield a tremendous amount of influence, political power, or wealth? NO
Have politicians anywhere, been forced to change their actions in anything, as a result of "Wikileaks leaks"? NO
Going back to my earlier post, if he was threatening anyone important, he'd be dead already.
Rule #1: Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.
Rule #2: Only leave 1 witness.
Rule #3: I forgot Rule #3
Apparently we disagree.
Yours
Wellington
You aren't impressed with the releases so far? Why? Maybe, just maybe, there are not any blockbuster secrets of the type you might want. Would it disappoint you if the world was not as dangerous as you think it is?
People on this site complain about minds being influenced by the government or the main stream news media, but I believe minds are influenced far more---and far more negatively---by Hollywood movies and popular fiction. People think they are "sophisticated" because they project the world that exists in popular entertainment (grand cabals, conspiracies, a Master Race of Illuminati that control seven billion humans), on to the real world and feel smug in the view that they "get it".
Consider, if you will, that Hollywood and pulp thrillers are not the real world any more than Harry Potter or Spiderman are real. You have to consider the possibility.
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Assange should have said nothing, given no warning and just published it out of the blue. Now we may end up reading his obituary instead of whatever leaks he has. You don't come up against the killers of Presidents without consequences.
"just published it out of the blue"
No disrespect.
Had he published out of the blue how much publicity would have been gained?
This is War.
The Propaganda phase.
Mr. Welligton:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I read your post correctly, you are implying that Assange is an intel asset. If so, then I definitely agree with you, though we are approaching it from 2 different angles.
My overall point is that Assange is around, because 'someone' wants him around. If he got too bold, or started misbehaving, he'd be gone in a second. While he may be high profile, "accidents do happen", as they say.
It appears we agree.
We seem to disagree on the owner of the asset.
I say China.
I say they broke into everything the USA had.
And I say the USA can't get it back.
They will continue to release this information for as long as it suits purpose.
Then it will cease.
It might be Soros. Although who fired that missile near LA the opening day of the G20, and why is China's subnormal nephew acting up again. Good points, all of the, but Soros, Palin, man that gets my tin foil hat to vibrating. (Incidentally Pain says Assange should be hunted down like a terrorist!!)