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Per Wikileaks: Omar Suleiman Is Israel's Preferred Successor To Mubarak

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This should probably come as no surprise. Per a recently "declassified" cable leaked by Wikileaks:

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S E C R E T TEL AVIV 001984 SIPDIS E.O. 12958:
DECL: 08/29/2018 TAGS: PREL, PGOV, PTER, EG, KPAL, IR, IS SUBJECT:
DEFENSE MINISTER BARAK'S DISCUSSIONS IN EGYPT FOCUS ON SHALIT, TAHDIYA,
ANTI-SMUGGLING, AND IRAN Classified By: DCM Luis G. Moreno, Reason 1.4
(b) (d)

1. (S) Summary. Defense Minister Ehud Barak's August 23 visit to
Egypt was a success, according to MOD Arab Affairs Adviser David Hacham.
Barak's meetings with President Mubarak, Intelligence Minister
Soliman, and Defense Minister Tantawi focused on reviving negotiations
for the release of Corporal Shalit, the Israeli assessment of the
Tahdiya (Calming) with Hamas in Gaza, and Egypt's anti-smuggling
efforts. Hacham said the Israelis were "shocked" by President Mubarak's
aged appearance; their most substantive exchanges were with Soliman.
Hacham said Iran was also on the agenda, with the Israeli and Egyptian
sides agreeing they had a common strategic interest in containing Iran's
regional ambitions. Our sense is that the Israeli-Egyptian
relationship is gradually improving since the beginning of the Tahdiya
in June. Barak and MOD in particular are committed to maintaining a
strategic relationship with Egypt. MFA Director General Abramovich
reportedly also is planning to visit Egypt next week to meet Foreign
Minister Abul Gheit. End Summary.

...

(S) In terms of atmospherics, Hacham said the Israeli delegation was "shocked" by Mubarak's aged appearance and slurred speech. Hacham was full of praise for Soliman, however, and noted that a "hot line" set up between the MOD and Egyptian General Intelligence Service is now in daily use. Hacham said he sometimes speaks to Soliman's deputy Mohammed Ibrahim several times a day. Hacham noted that the Israelis believe Soliman is likely to serve as at least an interim President if Mubarak dies or is incapacitated. (Note: We defer to Embassy Cairo for analysis of Egyptian succession scenarios, but there is no question that Israel is most comfortable with the prospect of Omar Soliman.)

 


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Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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Ron Suskind, author of the book The One Percent Doctrine, tells another story. The CIA had in its possession the head of a man suspected of being al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri. They asked Suleiman to provide a DNA sample from Zawahiri’s brother, who was in Egyptian custody. According to Suskind, “Suleiman said, ‘It’s no problem. We'll just cut the brother’s arm off and send it to you.’“ A CIA agent told Suleiman that a vial of blood would do.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Well, since this whole little episode was engineered from outside of Egypt, it must be the case that Suleiman will become the President, and that will be the end of it.

It's a fait accompli.  George Soros now needs to tell his 9,000,000 Egyptian lackeys to go home, and go back to work, and this little episode fades into oblivion.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:08 | Link to Comment In Fed We Trust
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They  all need to pick up a broom/ shovel and clean up the mess they made.

They got want they wanted, its time to clean up the streets.

Incidently many jobs were created in the clean up of the city.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:27 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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You mean that they got what the _CIA_ wanted, right, since the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people who have taken to the streets are dupes, idiots, and CIA lackeys.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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its easy to win a argument when you control both sides of it.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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And not so easy when it's spun out of control.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Bob
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I don't think they'll listen to Soros.  Perhaps Beck can make some time. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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The reason why is because Omar has otherwise threatened with a coup.

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Arthor Bearing
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So the Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty will probably stand... no word on whether there will be food. More riots please!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Tourist season just got hammerd and income... well there isn't any.

and 70% of those government workers will start losing their job...

I WILL GET WORSE BEFORE IT GETS BETTER!!

 

MICROWAVE THE POPCORN AND PUT THE BEER ON ICE I SAY!!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Popo
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That's not the half of it.

 

China has just issued a warning that it's wheat crop is being devastated by a drought.

China is the biggest wheat exporter in the world.

Egypt is the largest wheat importer in the world.

 

Tick. Tick. Tick...

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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The new egyptian regime will allow banks to flood the country with credit cards.

Everyone who asks will get one.

Who cares about wheat when you can buy big macs with your Visa card!

Just don't ask what the ingredients are.... *oink oink*

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 17:49 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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china is the largest producer but usually a net importer.  the largest exporters are the u.s. canada and australia, i think.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Egyptian protesters have reacted with a mixture of alarm and defiance to a warning from the vice-president, Omar Suleiman, that there could be a coup if they do not accept the regime's timetable for a transition to democratic rule.

Abdul-Rahman Samir, a spokesman for a coalition of the five main youth groups behind the protests in Tahrir Square, said Suleiman was creating "a disastrous scenario" as demonstrations entered their 16th day, spreading from the square to the parliament building and other government offices, including the department of civil aviation.

"He is threatening to impose martial law, which means everybody in the square will be smashed," Samir said. "But what would he do with the rest of the 70 million Egyptians who will follow us afterwards?"

Khaled Abdel-Hamid, another youth organiser dismissed Suleiman's warnings. "We are striking and we will protest and we will not negotiate until Mubarak steps down. Whoever wants to threaten us, then let them do so," he said.

Protesters said the organisers were working on plans to move on to the state radio and television building on Friday, the day of the next big scheduled demonstration, and trying to draw powerful labour unions into support for their cause.

The protests are aready spreading. Teachers are going on strike and there have been walkouts in one factory in the textile town of Mahalla. About 3,000 workers in companies owned by the Suez Canal authorities and based in Ismailia and Suez went on strike on Tuesday over pay and conditions, while workers in canal-owned companies in Port Said took industrial action on Wednesday, although the crucial shipping route was operating with little disruption.

Should shipping companies, however, decide to avoid the canal and sail round the Cape of Good Hope, Egypt would lose a major source of revenue. Tolls collected reached $4.3bn (£2.7bn) from January to the end of November 2010.

Analysts from the French bank Credit Agricole estimate the crisis is costing Egypt $310m a day. Egypt's biggest tourist attraction, the Pyramids of Giza, reopened to tourists on Wednesday although tens of thousands of foreigners have fled Egypt amid the chaos.

In his comments on Tuesday night, Suleiman rejected any immediate departure for President Hosni Mubarak or any "end to the regime".

"We can't bear this for a long time," he said of the Tahrir protests. "There must be an end to this crisis as soon as possible." Speaking to editors of state and independent newspapers, he said the regime wanted to resolve the crisis through dialogue, adding: "We don't want to deal with Egyptian society with police tools."

If dialogue is not successful, he said, the alternative is "that a coup happens, which would mean uncalculated and hasty steps, including lots of irrationalities".

Osama Saraya, editor-in-chief of the pro-government newspaper Al-Ahram, who attended the meeting, said Suleiman did not only mean a military coup but a takeover by another powerful state apparatus or Islamist groups.

Mubarak has said he will step down at the end of his term in September, but the US is raising the pressure for speedy reform. The US vice-president, Joe Biden, spoke by telephone to Suleiman on Tuesday, saying the US wanted Egypt immediately to rescind emergency laws that gave broad powers to security forces, a key demand of the protesters.

While media attention has focused on developments in Cairo, protests have also occurred throughout the country. Cities across the Nile delta north of Cairo, those far to the south and others to the east have also had streets filled with demonstrators demanding Mubarak go.

"I want Mubarak to leave, I want all this system to leave, this system has all kinds of corruption," Mohamed Sabaie, a jobless 25-year-old in the Nile delta city of Tanta told Reuters.

Farmers have also voiced support for the demonstrators. "The revolution is good … It will give us stability but the protest should stop and the president should be allowed to stay until the end of his term," said Fawzi Abdel Wahab, a farmer working a field near Tanta. "If the president doesn't do as he promised, Tahrir Square is still there and the youth will not die, they can go back."

About 300 demonstrators are estimated to have died in the unrest, but a comprehensive count is a long way off as some bereaved families hesitate to come forward. Human Rights Watch continues to warn that hospitals have been ordered to play down the numbers of casualties. It has condemned the arrest of an estimated 119 people in the crackdown on the protest and says it has evidence that five of those people were tortured.

An al-Qaida in Iraq front group, meanwhile, has urged Egyptians to join holy war and establish an Islamic state – the latest in a series of statements by Islamic militants supporting the protesters. The Islamic State of Iraq warned Egyptians against being deceived by "the malicious secularism, the infidel democracy and the rotten pagan nationalism," according to a s

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Bob
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Are they working with Beck and the CIA?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment In Fed We Trust
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Repeat after me.

Wikileaks is a CIA, operated Propaganda shop.

Julian Assange, is a sell out, or maybe they made hime an offer he couldn't refsuse(death)

From now until the end of the coming wars. Wikileaks will be there leaking exactly what the CIA wants to program into that little brian of yours.

Then Wikileaks will become a scapegoat when the "bigger" bombs start going off.

In the meantime,

Just remember wikileaks = cIA aganda.

TiME magazine = Best forward looking porpaganda

NPR = Best Soros agenda taking hold over US, played out in a fun give and take interaction, between expert and layperson, so at the end of the day we may all be experts.

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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AND YOUR DOG IS A CIA UNDERCOVER AGENT!!

 

THEY ARE OUT TO GET YOU!!  THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!

 

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment trav7777
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don't forget the cable guy who brought all those propaganda channels into your house.  And Brad Meltzer who conveniently did *not* find all the illuminati satanic symbols all over the Statue of Liberty

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Bob
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LMFAOROF!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Kina
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BS Wikileaks and Assange are no more CIA than I am, or my cat, dog, wife, who is a major general..woops

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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You clearly have your head in the sand if you can't see that wiki leaks is CIA. They haven't let out any information that was already out there , other than the 1st helicopter gunship video shooting. That was only to give them legitimacy.  All the other info they put out there only supports the western agenda. Where is all this big scary banking info they were supposed to disclose?  They are clearly a psyop organization.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Instant Karma
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OMG the Israeli's have an opinion! They clearly control the world!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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You're so going to get junked :)

 

Jews don't like it when a lower lifeform (every other human on earth that is not Jew) insults them.

 

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Vergeltung
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IK, yep. obviously.  ;-)

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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Let's hope the Egyptians get a leader that is for the people and not for Western policy and suppression of people's rights..

Let the spin begin..

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment chet
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New leader turns out to be a patsy for the US and Israel.  Shocker!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Leader of whom?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:05 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Peceful end to this not likely?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:09 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Mubarack is dying of cancer, successor needed.

This will not go over well and will be used by the Muslim Brotherhood.

They've already tried to assassinate Suleiman last week.

MB has tried to assissinate every Egyptian leader since 1950.

They did get Sadat which put Mubarack in charge and why he cracked down -- their bad.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment bankrupt JPM bu...
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Israel+AIPAC+USA=why the rest of the world will one day as well as the USA will starve while the Elite pig out.

 

www.silvergoldsilver.blogspot.com

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:44 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Sudan Atrocities, Swedish Oil Politics and Wikileaks

Now you may be acquainted with this report on atrocities in Sudan related to oil exploration, but were you aware of the possible connections to Sweden's obsession with extraditing Assange of Wikileaks back to Sweden?
 
Carl Bildt, Sweden's present Minister of Foreign Affairs, was a director off Lundin Petroleum during that time.  When Bildt was the prime minister a few years back, he appointed Beatrice Ask, presently Sweden's Justice Minister, to her first cabinet appointment.
 
The original report on this can be found at the site below:
 

http://www.ecosonline.org/reports/2010/UNPAID_DEBT_fullreportweb.pdf

 A brief description from another site:
 
http://www.liquida.com/page/7491240/

Carl Bildt was a member of the board of directors of Lundin Oil while a consortium of Swedish, Austrian and Malaysian companies were directly involved in starting and financing a bloody battle for oil resources.

The conflict killed 12,000 and forced another 160,000 from their homes.

 

The European Coalition on Oil in Sudan found that war crimes and crimes against humanity were perpetrated from 1997 - 2003, while the Swedes were leading the consortium....

Synopsis of events:
 
Originally, the bizarre and flimsy case against Assange was dropped due to lack of evidence. 
 
Suddenly, Justice Minister Beatrice Ask, who was appointed originally by Carl Bildt, pressured the Swedish Prosecution Authority, which falls under her jurisdiction, to reopen the case.
 
Wonder if Bildt is worried about some information which might implicate him and Lundin in those Wikileaked cables?

It should be pointed out that Carl Bildt, Minister of Foreign Affairs, was also a director at the British MI6 cutout, Hakluyt & Company (ostensibly an international business intelligence company), and a recently public fellow, one Frank Wisner, Jr., is presently a director at the very same outfit.

Now it should be noted that Carl Bildt, quite the well-connected fellow, frequently attends those international Bilderberg meetings, with the likes of Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller and the usual suspects of global finance and politics.

 

He is both listed as a member, and a specific addressee, in a declassified fax (Declassifying Authority:  Office of the Secretary of Defense, also one of the addressees) and attendee listing dated 23 May 1996, from the executive secretary of that organization at that time, Maja Blanck (Fax # +31 20 624 4299).

(Here’s some recent listings)
http://cryptome.org/0001/bilderberg-2010-2.htm
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/governance.html

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Can of worms. Once you moved up the lid...

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Who gives a crap what Israhell prefers?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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everyone in the White House, Congress and Senate since that's where their marching orders obviously come from.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yea well I doubt the Egyptian rioters give a rip about what the US wants.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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I certainly hope they don't give a shit about what the US wants.

If the US tries to impose it's will upon them via sanctions or Military intervention...this shit is gonna get might ugly might fast.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Cash_is_Trash
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Israel calls the shots here.

Netanyahu telling Hilldog what he wants.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Instant Karma
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Everyone knows the Jews control everything. All assertions that they have contributed anything to humanity are obviously Zionist fabrications, and all denials that they alone are responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened is pure denial.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Instant Karma
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Everyone knows the Jews control everything. All assertions that they have contributed anything to humanity are obviously Zionist fabrications, and all denials that they alone are responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened is pure denial.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Breaking Craigslist posting:

 

ISO attractive, energetic colonel to lead ambitious, proud nation of 79 million.  No LTR, have to move to republican form of government in a few months.

Must be under age 50.  Twitter account preferred.

--Egypt

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:14 | Link to Comment trav7777
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this is not surprising...anyone within Mubarak's gov't would necessarily be part of the west-friendly group.  Not going to find too many outliers in it.

The threat of martial law has nothing to do with this CIA/Mossad conspiracy tinfoil shit; it's just the rational reaction of a guy in the gov't who sees himself as possibly next in line acting to try to preserve his own power

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:22 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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the threat of "Marshall Law" will hardly phase the outraged citizens of a nation that has been under "Emergency Rule" for 30 years.

it's just gas on the fire.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:59 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:18 | Link to Comment jmac2013
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Duh!  Is Wikileaks now a substitute for common sense and critical thinking?  What's the next wikileak, the sky is blue, grass is green?

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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I believe the Israelies would prefer Andy Dick to succeed Mubarak.

Wow, now that's wacky!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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If the military puts someone other than the veep in charge, they will be halfway home.

But the underlying question remains how to transition the state security apparatus.  That will take a lot of American 'grease' but it could conceivably be done, especially if the alternative is a Stasi-style revenge massacre. 

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Obviously people need to eat, so while the spooks of the Mid East change thrones, the pigmen of Walled Street will buy Whole Foods hand over fist.

And while I am at it, Disney on a tear before and after the Super Bowl.  Branded corporations of the New World Order.  This is a controlled demolition to eliminate the State and bring in The Rise of the Firms.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Bob
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Bingo.  And look at all the useful idiots pushing the "government is evil" meme.  It will be celebrated in some quarters as a victory for human rights--much like some in Tahrir Square will celebrate the army taking over. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:08 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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dbl

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:07 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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sad but true

 

If you like movies, this one is worth checking out. It takes a ridiculous glimpse into what such a future would be like:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/zach-galifianakis-freaks-out-in-the-visioneers-trailer.php#

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Instant Karma
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You would rather live in:

Iran? Saudi Arbabia? Egypt? Pakistan? Israel? Or alone on a moon of Jupiter?

In only one of these countries will you not be tortured, beheaded, or imprisioned for speaking your mind and practicing your religion, or not having a religion.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:30 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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you MUST be talking about a Jupiter moon because surely you cannot be talking about Israel.

 

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:31 | Link to Comment karzai_luver
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Stop already with the jokes. You aint Henie my lad!

 

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:33 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Only one of those places practices Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:38 | Link to Comment pazmaker
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one if you consider Iran and Saudi Arabia  one in the same

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:51 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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a·part·heid: 1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites.
2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.

if you cannot admit that Israel fits into the description of a nation that practices these things...then you are either a liar or an idiot.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:03 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Thank you.

And I would classify 60+ years of land theft, bulldozing, and other forms of expropriation to be ethnic cleansing, too.

But hey - an invisible man in the sky told some White Europeans to do it, so it must be ok.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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But.. But... But... Israhell is a democracy... How dare you.. They are our bestest friend ever!!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment linrom
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Let's get real here -- every neighborhood in America practices apartheid and ethnic cleansing. Why do you think they have gated communities? And until Wikileaks releases meaningful information, they're no better than New York Times.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Bob
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Thanks for the short burst of lucidity!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Coming from someone that's never been to Jerusalem where Jooows and Semitic Arabs live together in the same city.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:16 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Israel currently has 236 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and 24,813 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 5,935 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

Why would I want to go to such a place?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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if you cannot admit that Israel fits into the description of a nation that practices these things...then you are either a liar or an idiot.

My guess is that he is both.. And he has to balls to use a picture of John Lennon as an avatar. Sick puppy..  I seriously doubt John Lennon would advocate what Israhell is doing to the Palestinians right now.. Just a guess

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment jus_lite_reading
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I'll take Jupiter for $1200 Alex.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:29 | Link to Comment karzai_luver
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Well as the US always says , sometimes you have to burn the muther down to save it.

 

SO let the burning begin if the current scum won't slink away and die off in silence.

 

A little collateral damage is acceptable. Right US!

 

 

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Bob
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Interesting that when all the talking heads read their "Dominoes to fall in the Middle East" list, they fail to mention Afghanistan and Iraq, no?

This self-determination thing could get way out of hand--it could get real.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment BennyBoy
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Israel, and thus its lap dog, the USA, prefer a new dictator. Not a democracy.

According to polls over 90% of Egyptians would like Israel to disappear.

A democracy might enable them to try.

Of course they realize Israel has over 400 nuclear weapons of differing sizes and powers.

And Egypt has none.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:51 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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Apartheid Israel is a paper tiger - an army without soldiers.

They lost wars with Hizbullah and Hamas in recent years.

Sure, they can bomb the holy-hell out of churches and elementary schools.  Sure, they can execute wheelchair bound old women.  

But that's not war. 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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None?  You sure?

 

HOW sure?  Who's been in charge of inspections?  Oh yeah that guy from....heywaitaminute

 

>>>>>>>>static>>>>>>>>>

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Segestan
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Classification: SECRET      ............ Hilarious!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:35 | Link to Comment 99er
Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Da brotherhood has even more to incentive advance its agenda.  Ain't over by a longshot.  Food inflation a la the bernank sure won't calm nerves.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:33 | Link to Comment downwiththebanks
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So far, it has advanced it's agenda by sitting on their asses like COWARDS, counting their blood money from the likes of Uncle Sam and Ron Paul.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Jadr
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Could you elaborate on your accusation of Ron Paul providing blood money?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:40 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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It is certainly no coincidence that almost every WikiLeaks release benefits "that shitty little country" in the ME.

Cui bono?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:43 | Link to Comment razorthin
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oh and the world markets celebrate...yippEEEE.  who fukking saw that coming.

Still working on lower highs in an extremely overbought market - even on shalom's IWM toy.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment arkady
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NO kidding man, these markets are just unreal.  I shorted the close yesterday which I found to be awfully suspicious and was mildly content with the gap down, only to see it rally because of this BS news coming out of Egypt.  It makes no sense, Sulieman should technically extend the riots - what is there to celebrate.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:57 | Link to Comment savagegoose
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well i hope they dont fall for it, assuminf htey even want a democracy , i heard only they want the corruption out.

same system, differnt dog at the top doesnt change shit.

it all depends if people want mubarak out or the system out. who can tell when the movement doesnt have a spokesperson , pretty amazing, i guess when everyone goes home, then we know that they got what they want.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 12:58 | Link to Comment savagegoose
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oops

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:08 | Link to Comment israhole
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I hope the people do not accept Suliman, and instead decide to DUMP ISRAEL!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:13 | Link to Comment digalert
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Mubarack, moving checklist:

Gold - went out last week

Just waiting for decoy to make a late night escape.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment andyupnorth
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Military aircrafts - get rid of all 1230 of them.... and get rid of their tanks too.

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:21 | Link to Comment sabra1
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egypt is nothing but a pyramid scheme!

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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That's a very Illuminating comment.

Hey, those things are on all these paper notes here in my pocket!?!  WTH? 

Shoot, the military had better secure that All-Seeing Eye widget or there could be hell to pay, literally.

Don't Mess With Apophis, or Apophis Will Mess With You

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Expat
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Ariel Sharon or Dick Cheney are Israel's preferred successors.

Of course, it's likely someone a bit less ass-kissing will rise to power.  The new Egypt may very well be very hostile to the US and Israel as well as much more Islamic.

And it's all our fault.  And we largely deserve whatever blowback arises.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:41 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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He's the monetary systems (and CIA), and Obama...(or is all three really ONE???) choice for being the next president to be able to do nothing about Egypt's soaring food prices.

Whatever happens, this is the guy Nero backed.  Arabs know this, and Nero somehow doesn't.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 13:47 | Link to Comment wherewasi
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Suez under military control... planty of time to have moved all the troops and guns into position.  It's a slam - dunk now.  Good luck to the 'revolutionaries' that think it's still a good idea to strike and / or protest.

 

Game over...

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment linrom
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This is ALL bullshit: discrimination based on income is no different than discrimination based on race, sex, religion or whatever. It's ALL about wealth theft(accumulation.) The elites in Egypt amassed fortunes worth hundreds of billions--the peasants in the square live on $2 per day, but hey, Suleiman is preferred by Israeli government

 

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Vergeltung
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this should be the perfect thread for the ZH foil hat crowd and anti-semites to tongue-bathe each other.

junk away! each one is a vindication.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:20 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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SEMITE
1
a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2
: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

ANTI-SEMITISM
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

go figure...funny how the word has ceased to represent the very people the word was meant to represent. I guess we can add this to the long list of things Israel has stolen.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Jadr
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So you are saying that the connotation of a word can change over time?  Can I subscribe to your news letter?  You are essentially crying over a semantic issue.  At one point in history my belief system would classify me as liberal, yet the connotation of the word liberal is far different today than its roots. Thus, when I discuss political philosophy I describe my beliefs using the modern connotations of words.  One of the few constants on this planet seems to be that things change... but I guess if it involves Jews you gotta figure a way to throw "theft" into their list of misdeeds.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Oh, so you admit you are anti-semantic?

When did you stop parsing your participles?

Are you a neologistic plant?

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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has the definition of "Theft" or "Apartheid" or "Racist" or "Genocide" also changed? Because only by changing the definition of those words can you deny Israels guilt of those actions.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:39 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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It's also the perfect thread for Israeli firsters and racists, Muslim hating, beyond hope conditioned, fucktards like you.

Thu, 02/10/2011 - 14:32 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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What would the israelitos say if democracy -or the rule of law- ever broke out in the US?

They would have a hard time finding a warm welcome anywhere in the world, including in the Birobidjan Oblast.

 

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