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WikiLeaks Releases Iraq War Logs Which Detail Over 100,000 Deaths, Show US Ignored Torture, Expose Routine Friendly Fire
Wikileaks has lifted the embargo on what it dubs the biggest leak of American documents in history. The Guardian, which is the primary nexus of data collection, notes that almost "400,000 secret US army field reports have been passed to the
Guardian and a number of other international media organisations via the
whistleblowing website WikiLeaks. The electronic archive is believed to emanate from the same dissident US
army intelligence analyst who earlier this year is alleged to have
leaked a smaller tranche of 90,000 logs chronicling bloody encounters
and civilian killings in the Afghan war." The reports will likely do little to raise the US' standing in the eyes of the international community: "The numerous reports of detainee abuse, often supported by medical
evidence, describe prisoners shackled, blindfolded and hung by wrists or
ankles, and subjected to whipping, punching, kicking or electric
shocks. Six reports end with a detainee's apparent death."Additionally, the reports detail how friendly fire from US troops became routine: Americans have shot at their own troops or allies so often that in at least one case a strafed British vehicle didn't even stop. Since this will apparnetly now be the main story this weekend, might as well get a head start.
The new logs detail how:
- US authorities failed to investigate
hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi
police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally
unpunished. - A US helicopter gunship involved in a notorious
Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried
to surrender. - More than 15,000 civilians died in previously
unknown incidents. US and UK officials have insisted that no official
record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081
non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities.
More from the Guardian:
As recently as December the Americans were passed a video apparently showing Iraqi army officers executing a prisoner
in Tal Afar, northern Iraq. The log states: "The footage shows
approximately 12 Iraqi army soldiers. Ten IA soldiers were talking to
one another while two soldiers held the detainee. The detainee had his
hands bound … The footage shows the IA soldiers moving the detainee into
the street, pushing him to the ground, punching him and shooting him."
The
report named at least one perpetrator and was passed to coalition
forces. But the logs reveal that the coalition has a formal policy of
ignoring such allegations. They record "no investigation is necessary"
and simply pass reports to the same Iraqi units implicated in the
violence. By contrast all allegations involving coalition forces are
subject to formal inquiries. Some cases of alleged abuse by UK and US
troops are also detailed in the logs.
In two Iraqi cases postmortems revealed evidence of death by torture. On 27 August 2009 a US medical officer found "bruises and burns as well as visible injuries to the head, arm, torso, legs and neck"
on the body of one man claimed by police to have killed himself. On 3
December 2008 another detainee, said by police to have died of "bad
kidneys", was found to have "evidence of some type of unknown surgical procedure on [his] abdomen".
A
Pentagon spokesman told the New York Times this week that under its
procedure, when reports of Iraqi abuse were received the US military
"notifies the responsible government of Iraq agency or ministry for
investigation and follow-up".
The logs also illustrate the readiness of US forces to unleash lethal force. In one chilling incident they detail how an Apache helicopter gunship gunned down two men in February 2007.
The
suspected insurgents had been trying to surrender but a lawyer back at
base told the pilots: "You cannot surrender to an aircraft." The Apache,
callsign Crazyhorse 18, was the same unit and helicopter based at Camp
Taji outside Baghdad that later that year, in July, mistakenly killed
two Reuters employees and wounded two children in the streets of
Baghdad.
Iraq Body Count, the London-based group that monitors
civilian casualties, says it has identified around 15,000 previously
unknown civilian deaths from the data contained in the leaked war logs.
Although
US generals have claimed their army does not carry out body counts and
British ministers still say no official statistics exist, the war logs
show these claims are untrue. The field reports purport to identify all
civilian and insurgent casualties, as well as numbers of coalition
forces wounded and killed in action. They give a total of more than
109,000 violent deaths from all causes between 2004 and the end of 2009.
This
includes 66,081 civilians, 23,984 people classed as "enemy" and 15,196
members of the Iraqi security forces. Another 3,771 dead US and allied
soldiers complete the body count.
No fewer than 31,780 of these
deaths are attributed to improvised roadside bombs (IEDs) planted by
insurgents. The other major recorded tally is of 34,814 victims of
sectarian killings, recorded as murders in the logs.
However, the
US figures appear to be unreliable in respect of civilian deaths caused
by their own military activities. For example, in Falluja, the site of
two major urban battles in 2004, no civilian deaths are recorded. Yet
Iraq Body Count monitors identified more than 1,200 civilians who died
during the fighting.
Legal action is already being prepared:
Phil Shiner, human rights specialist at Public Interest Lawyers, plans to use material from the logs in court to try to force the UK to hold a public inquiry into the unlawful killing of Iraqi civilians.
He also plans to sue the British government over its failure to stop the abuse and torture of detainees by Iraqi forces. The coalition's formal policy of not investigating such allegations is "simply not permissible", he says.
Shiner is already pursuing a series of legal actions for former detainees allegedly killed or tortured by British forces in Iraq.
As before, all the docs will be made available online:
WikiLeaks says it is posting online the entire set of 400,000 Iraq field reports – in defiance of the Pentagon.
The whistleblowing activists say they have deleted all names from the documents that might result in reprisals. They were accused by the US military of possibly having "blood on their hands" over the previous Afghan release by redacting too few names. But the military recently conceded that no harm had been identified.
Condemning this fresh leak, however, the Pentagon said: "This security breach could very well get our troops and those they are fighting with killed. Our enemies will mine this information looking for insights into how we operate, cultivate sources and react in combat situations, even the capability of our equipment."
There are many other stories emanating from the main portal, among which:
- The introduction- The leaking of more than 390,000 previously secret US military reports details the hidden realities of the war in Iraq (link)
- A look at Frago 242 - Secret order that let US ignore abuse;
Mistreatment of helpless prisoners by Iraqi security forces included
beatings, burning, electrocution and rape (link) - Iraq war logs: How friendly fire from US troops became routine: Americans have shot at their own troops or allies so often that in at least one case a strafed British vehicle didn't even stop (link)
- Apache crew killed insurgents who tried to surrender: US military legal adviser told helicopter crew that Iraqi men were valid targets as they could not surrender to aircraft (link)
- Iraq war logs reveal civilian body count of invasion is much higher (link)
- Civilians gunned down at checkpoints (link)
- Iran accused of plotting attack on Green Zone: Audacious strike in Baghdad among allegations against Tehran of everything from gun running to training insurgents (link)
- US fails to answer for deaths of journalists: Highest toll among Iraqi reporters caught in crossfire, mistaken for insurgents or murdered by countrymen in sectarian violence (link)
- Killings in the wake of Saddam's hanging: Brothers named after him were lynched along with their mother – while gallows mocking of dictator led to revenge bombing (link)
- Iraq war logs: US spy balloons blew towards Iran: Hi-tech JLens blimps with secret technology used to detect cruise missiles may have dropped into Tehran's lap (link)
A tabular summary of all the Associated Iraqi deaths is presented below:
The link also denotes the method of death on both sides.
The Guardian has also released a map of the deaths (which for now apparently is not working)
For those pressed for time, the below clip summarizes most of the key findings:
Sure enough, the Pentagon has immediately responded (via the New York Times):
“We deplore WikiLeaks for inducing individuals to break the law, leak
classified documents and then cavalierly share that secret information
with the world, including our enemies. We know terrorist organizations
have been mining the leaked Afghan documents for information to use
against us, and this Iraq leak is more than four times as large. By
disclosing such sensitive information, WikiLeaks continues to put at
risk the lives of our troops, their coalition partners and those Iraqis
and Afghans working with us. The only responsible course of action for
WikiLeaks at this point is to return the stolen material and expunge it
from their Web sites as soon as possible.
“We strongly condemn the unauthorized disclosure of classified
information and will not comment on these leaked documents other than to
note that ‘significant activities’ reports are initial, raw
observations by tactical units. They are essentially snapshots of
events, both tragic and mundane, and do not tell the whole story. That
said, the period covered by these reports has been well chronicled in
news stories, books and films, and the release of these field reports
does not bring new understanding to Iraq’s past.
“However, it does expose secret information that could make our troops
even more vulnerable to attack in the future. Just as with the leaked
Afghan documents, we know our enemies will mine this information,
looking for insights into how we operate, cultivate sources and react in
combat situations, even the capability of our equipment. This security
breach could very well get our troops and those they are fighting with
killed.”
Also, remember, the banks are not allowed to reveal anything about their own criminal ways because otherwise the world will end. Ah, the parallels.
And conveniently enough, here is an interview on the very topic between Dylan Ratigan and Pentagon Papers creator Daniel Ellsberg :
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looks to me like synagogues are already being built in the debris field of the crusades: east jerusalem (or israel as a whole for that matter). and it isn't going well. for them (the israelis) or for us (the u.s. of a.)
I know how you feel, if the americans can't progress and throw off their corrupt, self serving, regressive government it's not my fault it's theirs. Those consequences for inaction are almost as bad as avoiding the mirror.
+1
its difficult to progress when one does not integrate. it is difficult to integrate when one is sitting upon a resource that the rest of the world needs. Much like social welfare, oil supplies in the Middle East remove any incentive to integrate. There is no incentive to change. In fact, if I were a billionaire arab you may find it quite difficult to convince me of anything other than Allah IS GREAT. After all, did your god place a gold mine underneath your feet?
the fact is, only FREE TRADE between common men facilitates peace among the masses. Cases in point are the earliest trading pits of London which brought together Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, agnostics, atheists, and others who peacefully worked together everyday in pursuit of their own self-interests. These same individuals may not have even spoken to one another on the streets, because religion often serves to divide and label individuals as much as anything.
Because Middle Eastern Muslims have a national asset that feeds them, they are not forced to integrate with the rest of the world and, in fact, are more accurately kept as military livestock by their elite leaders for the purposes of global posturing and further enrichment of the most powerful among them. in this regard, I wonder how different we are in America today.
Wahhabism was just a local extremist hillbilly version of Islam that just happened to be the obsession of the dominant Sauds, enabled by Anglo-American banking interests to divide and conquer as an underpinning tactic of the strategy to control claims to petroleum in the region. The Royal-Dutch Petroleum Company invented that country in the 1930's...such a busy area for synthetic nationhood at that time...but then again such is the stock and trade of empire. What's a colony without ants? Red ants, black ants...
Today's CIA is just a latter day custodian for the usual suspects' engines of hate (and thus control...)...Hate, it's a helluva a drug!... and they have more than just a little experience in the drug trade...
Research the financing of the extremists Muslim madrassa schools supporting the Taliban in Pakistan since the 1980's and you will find nothing but CIA banking support.
Think of the current drone CIA attacks in the area as nothing more than typical bankster fraudclosure on enterprises spilling outside controlled franchise territories.
Wanna tell you a little story about an Iman named Jihad
http://books.google.ca/books?id=Dc4kRClTViIC&pg=PA75&lpg=PA75&dq=wahhabi...
you and chopper are both right.
His inability to grasp that explains everything.
Hey Nm, to all doubters like you, I present the magnificent Pentalawn...
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
Explain that to yourself as you take a big swing of cool aid.
Then, study a bit of history, look up bloodlines, the bushes, prescott and the like, wonder at GWHB's odd rise to power, then his dumb sons... figuring out complex things is more like looking at a mosaic than a photograph. You have to focus, de-focus, feel how a certain thing rings true of false.
If you cannot pull the threads together to cause a violent shift in your perspective, get help.
Still a small window to change your stance.
Then, it's black and white time.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
This isnt' Saudi Arabia, dumb ass.
Kind of making his point for him aren't you?
Amazing that this is tagged as junk.
I hate to tell you, but the Moors merely conquered it from the Visigoths, not exactly the height of civilized culture. They transformed it from a barbarian outpost to one of the largest cities in Europe. Their population by the height of their influence was more than the modern population! After it's conquest by the Castillians it went into a terminal decline, with the population bottoming out at 20,000.
How about you respect real American sensitivities, and respect God damn freedom of speech, religion, and property rights? If you don't, then I would propose that you can take the next ship right back to the UK, and go suck the mummified cock of Jolly King George III.
+1
This is NOT Saudi Arabia! THANK GOD!
As tmosley mentioned, we have the First Amendment, freedom of speech, religion and property.
Nmewn, Kindly step away from your idiotic attempt to destroy our rights.
If you are so jealous of the Saudi muslims' persecutions, theocratic lunacy, and authoritarian suffering, move the fuck over there, you dumbass!
But here in America we like our property rights, our freedom of speech and freedom of religion, and because we do, we let anyone that does not break the law practice them, capisce stoopidus?
Go on, move the f@ck out!
Point me to where I ever said they don't have a right to build it there...the issue is the propriety of them doing so under the banner of kumbaya.
You are a fucking retard who can't understand the written word.
You have been played once again.
Untangling the Bizarre CIA Links to the Ground Zero Mosquehttp://www.observer.com/2010/politics/untangling-new-intrigue-behind-ground-zero-mosque
Very interesting.
... er ... ain't there yet. dont'cha know.
- Ned
Innocent Muslims died in the towers. They are a permanent part of Ground Zero.
Certainly.
Know the best way to not get them killed? Don't send them into made-up bullshit wars.
Amen to that.
Yo, chet, gotta love that lower case c.
You have no idea.
'course you don't know, do ya?
- Ned
sounds like Dick Cheney, who also managed to avoid combat. Chickenhawks.
Exactly.
Funny you picked John Stuart Mill to quote. He would laugh at your use of his words to defend wars of aggression.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty
"I guess everything except terrorists shooting at our troops will get our troops killed."
Funny in a twisted kind of way.
ORI
"They are essentially snapshots of events, both tragic and mundane, and do not tell the whole story" Defense attorneys use that exact same language.
I like to see someone to leak Federal Reserve's secrets to the Wikileak. That would be an interesting read.
+1913....someday, not anytime soon, but someday.
+1984
This is what I'm talking about. WikiLeaks is a great idea in principle, but they have just not leaked the really explosive stuff, and I don't think its because they haven't had those documents submitted to them.
If WikiLeaks was serious it would ditch Assange and release everything they have. Why is Assange a stooge? Well, because we are supposed to look at him as an 'expert on secrets'. So whats the big secret people want to know about, to this day? 9/11
And where does Assange stand on that topic? Exactly where you would expect a CIA Agent Provacateur to stand, thats where! http://blogs.alternet.org/penucquem/2010/10/11/julian-assange-cia-agent-...
http://psychonews.site90.net
Of course the same thing would happen if there are no secrets. How would you tell the difference? How would you know you are not waiting for Godot? In your example there are three possibilities:
1) the one you stated
2) WL has yet to receive any secrets regarding 9/11
3) there are no secrets related to 9/11 and everything about that event is as stated
You have dismissed two of the possibilities outright, and since he has yet to corroborate your personal beliefs or deliver goods you believe are out there, he simply must be a CIA Agent Provocateur. Seems a little close minded of you. In point of fact, you know absolutely nothing for certain, so that means you are being unfair to Assange. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. So is Assange. The fact that your opinions differ does not necessarily make him guilty of being CIA, just as it does not necessarily make you a paranoid fool. It does, however, make you as strident and intolerant as a religious fanatic who believes anyone not of the same faith is an infidel.
I vaguely remember mention phone records the day of 9/11 released on WL. Communication between law enforcement, fire, cell phones, etc.
Not that this would prove anything one way or the other. Can anyone verify this?
+2525
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8
Are people tired of the wars yet?
No. I need just one more.
Sure they are, but so long as they keep running off to kill when some boss-man tells them to, it will never stop.
Of course, if I wanted the biggest bang for the buck, why would I release this info on a Friday afternoon (USA East Coast Time)?
Monday would make more sense, wouldn't it? I thought it was only governments and corporations looking to bury something that use this day and time? While I appreciate any efforts to break through to the slumbering masses, there are much more effective ways to do it than this.
OK, maybe I shouldn't be looking the gift horse in the mouth. But I'm just sayin'
Russians have saying: "never have coup on Monday." Remember Gorbachev and "the first overthrow"? That was "Monday coup." Yeltsin? That was "Friday coup." Don't remember the Monday boyz, do ya?
Guessing this is more intended for UK consumption? Make all the Sunday papers?
This has to be a distraction for something else. The 'else' I do not know. The timing is suspect. Wikileaks has had this information for a long time begging the question: Why choose such a low impact time to release? My guess (pulling this from some place dark): the leak is to cover for some sort of sensational financial drama about to unfold in the next few days.
That's an interesting take Brindle. I'm sure we will all be watching.
Well it's hardly news. "Occupying army kills and tortures local civilians, news at 11" Just like throughout recorded history.
Anyone who bothers to look at the situation without wild eyed jingoism knows the US military is an occupying force and is acting like one. This is pretty much par for the course for occupations. I have noticed that people will get emotionally quite disturbed when presented with facts that America is like the other empires of the past and not some paragon of moral virtue. And this is why the military-industrial complex cannot be disarmed until total collapse. These same people would support the military occupation, looting, and murder right until the very end. The indoctrination over time has worked like a champ.
What loot?
Access to Iraqi oil fields for the Military-Industrial-Complex.
Are we not paying for it?
did -- lot of dead and way lot of limbs. - Ned
The Freikorps doctrine will be that any ground a US soldier, sailor, airman or marine shed blood on is US territory for all time. And we will defend it.
Are we not paying for it?
When I go shopping I don't blow up the store and kill the shopkeeper's kids. But maybe that's just me.
If the guy at the local bakery hung an RPG out the window, I'd light him up.
Perhaps he should not do that with his family present.
The guilt is his.
But Iraq didn't attack us. We attacked them without provocation. Iraq had no ties to 9/11 and there were no WMDs. So what's your excuse for killing innocent people?
We got UN authorization to waste Iraq after they invaded Kuwait. An incredible international effort, btw.
That ended in their humiliation, and a cease fire. Not a formal end of hostilities.
They did not honor the terms of the cease fire, nor did they comply with UN mandates for inspections. Seriously, who could have guessed a dictator could have his ass handed to him so royally, and remain in power?
Hussein called our bluff. We were not bluffing. The rest is history.
Hey Frankenfurter, you can do the time warp if you like, but we're talking about 2003, not 1991.
Which still does not change the fact that we acted legally.
lying to the UN, the Congress and your own citizens is not legal action
Why do y'all blame Bush for the CIA being filled with incompetents?
They missed the frackin fall of the USSR for God's sake.
And he didn't lie about them violating the conditions of the cease fire. Get over it.
Your tax dollars supported Saddam and provided him with weapons. Get over that.
Things change. The world is a dynamic thing.
Why is it liberals have such a love for dictators?
I've always thought the reason is similar to this illustrative quote;
Man spends 9 months struggling to get out and then a lifetime struggling to get back in.
Inbred instincts.
I've always put it down to rank hypocrisy, but maybe it is just a form of colossal arrogance approaching sociopathy.
No we didn't.
While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said:
“ [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12. The resolution makes clear that any Iraqi failure to comply is unacceptable and that Iraq must be disarmed. And, one way or another, Iraq will be disarmed. If the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of further Iraqi violations, this resolution does not constrain any Member State from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq or to enforce relevant United Nations resolutions and protect world peace and security.[2] ”The ambassador for the United Kingdom, the co-sponsor of the resolution, said:
“ We heard loud and clear during the negotiations the concerns about "automaticity" and "hidden triggers" -- the concern that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action; that on a decision so crucial any Iraqi violations should be discussed by the Council. Let me be equally clear in response... There is no "automaticity" in this resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required in paragraph 12. We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.[3] ”The message was further confirmed by the ambassador for Syria:
“ Syria voted in favour of the resolution, having received reassurances from its sponsors, the United States of America and the United Kingdom, and from France and Russia through high-level contacts, that it would not be used as a pretext for striking against Iraq and does not constitute a basis for any automatic strikes against Iraq. The resolution should not be interpreted, through certain paragraphs, as authorizing any State to use force. It reaffirms the central role of the Security Council in addressing all phases of the Iraqi issueNevertheless, this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body's resolutions are to be enforced
Brevity is the soul of wit.
How many people do you think read that book you posted?
Can't deal with the logic, attack the person.
You were proven to be wrong! Answer the question.
BTW rat, why are you using a nazi name, freikorps, even though it matches well with your spirit.
" Numerous future members and leaders of the Nazi Party had served in the Freikorps, including Ernst Röhm, future head of the Sturmabteilung, or SA, Heinrich Himmler" -wikipedia.
Good night Himmler.
They started by opposing the socialists.
What question? The Gulf War authorizations were still in play.
The Congress passed the use of force resolution.
The US needs no one's permission to use force.
The US needs no one's permission to use force.
Of course, so then it was an act of aggression and not endorsed by the UN. This begs the question of why did they go to the UN in the first place? Maybe because the U.S. needed to use the UN to enforce embargoes, and access to search for weapons. So they followed the UN procedure to garner world support until it didn't adhere to their agenda.
The Congress passed the use of force resolution.
Due to false information provided.
The Gulf War authorizations were still in play.
No they weren't. In the Gulf War Iraq was the aggressor, but this time they did not attack anyone and were not threatening.
No fly zones. Inspections when and where weapons inspectors demanded, not weeks later.
Hussein screwed the pooch because he knew france had his back.
April 6 (Bloomberg) -- Total SA, France’s largest oil company, was placed under formal investigation in February on bribery charges related to oil deliveries from Iraq during the rule of Saddam Hussein.
Fucking hypocrites, all. You too.
Wow, France didn't want us to screw with their really big oil deal with Iraq, and damn the conseqences. Y'all are fools.
Don't even get me started on the Oil For Food scandal. I don't seem to remember Kofi going in front of a firing squad. Kofi even had ties in covering up the UN's failure to repond to the Rwandan genocide. He was well rewarded for being the corrupt piece of shit the UN needed.
The UN is a corrupt organization and needs to be burned to the ground, its ashes scattered and the earth salted where it stood. The Earth would get better use of the land if it were a parking lot.
No fly zones. Inspections when and where weapons inspectors demanded, not weeks later.
Nonadherence didn't give the U.S. free reign to attack them when there is no aggression.
You seem to be under the impression that I am supporting the UN here. I am not! I am questioning the legality of the U.S. aggression according to their own rules as a member of the UN.
Here is the story since you are starting to go in all different directions with your responses. Iraq refused to play the U.S. game where they make deals to loan Iraq money through the IMF (and various other org.) under the guise of improving Iraq's infrastructure . Of course the U.S. would then have access to Iraq's oil . The money would actually be given to U.S. corporations for contracts to carry out the work. The repayment of these loans + interest would put Iraq in a position of servitude to the U.S. whereby they could re-negotiate special deals for oil. (John Perkins)
On top of this Sadaam was selling oil in Euros thus undermining the reserve currency which is the U.S. dollar. Iran has also been doing this and you can see the U.S. aggressively looking for reasons to attack them.
"They [freikorps} started by opposing the socialists."
They were freaking Nazis you moron. Himmler, Hitler, all of them.
You resemble rat Himmler so much. In a maniacal hate of the socialists you become a nazi!
Yes and now you have chaos and a Shiite majority playing pussy foot with Iran, the real thereat in the region. Congratulations.
That was the excuse for leaving Hussein in place after GW1.
If the Shiites are the majority, should they not choose their own course? And then pay the consequences.
Yes ... in valueless USD ... and with guaranteed access. Somewhat different to the situation in 2001 when Saddam was talking about pricing in EUR or go whistle for it.
but aren't the spoils going to end up in Europe via the Iranian IGAT pipeline projects?
does that make America a European mercenary, puppet, or just stupid?
Doesn't sound too imperialistic, does it?
No, it's brilliant! Kill innocent Iraqis and American servicemen for the benefit of Europe. Don't forget to chant "USA! USA!" as it all transpires.
Crazy, ain't it?
I'd tell 'em, "Y'all need to straighten out your shit in the next 30 days, or we are just gonna take all your oil."
Motivation is the key.
Yeah, come to my house and tell me that. You'll end up in a ditch. I'll motivate your family to join you in the ditch by video taping me shitting on you.
Yawn.
Now that your mouth is wide open I need you to put your hands on your bottom and spread your cheeks. These soldiers need some love'n!
First you want to kill me, then you want to fuck me. You sound like my ex wife. She was a bit bipolar too.
Both.
There were three choices, genius.
ADD acting up?
I'm sure your mummy is proud that you can count to 3 with one hoof, but a mercenary (paid hireling) is a puppet, genius. So, both.
Thanks for playing ... now get back to your homework.
I must admit your logic escapes me.
The loot is not for the masses, but you probably remember the sell job of taking their oil to pay for the operation. Now of course that didn't happen, but the con worked. Hell look at the spin around the lithium in Afghanistan. Clearly can't leave there, there's a trillion dollars there...
Well said Shameful. Funny how the fact that we do it is the very reason the decline accelerates
MURDERERS!
Technically speaking of course, war is murder.
Technically speaking YOU ARE a fucking apologist!
Not all wars are murder. This one was though.
Was there anything that Iraq could have done to avoid the 'war'? We would have invaded even if Saddam Hussein stepped down and they had free elections. If they would have come forward with all WMDs, we would have assumed they were hiding better ones and invaded anyway.
IT,S EXACTLY the WORD I haf in my head.
So it only remains KILLERS!
END the us!!!!!!!!STARVE the BEAST!!!!!!!!
LOL... and you think ending the US would stop war??? Try reading some history, instead of 24/7 political crap.
If the US went away tomorrow, do you think China would do better? Or Russia? Or France? or.....?
The problem is the state, and that people sheepishly obey it, unto the death. All else is detail, and the others are qualitatively no better than the US.
It's called "a war" for a reason. Terrible shit happens. It's been that way since tribes fought the first war ten thousand years ago. It'll be the same ten thousand years from now.
This infantile wailing and whining about the awful things that happened is just too embarrassing and pathetic. Grow up people.
Agree with 100%. Which is why it should be splashed across the front pages of every MSM organization. So that everyone knows how terrible the shit is.
Nobody is whining about war. Just the way the government (that went to war under completely false pretenses) prevented honest reporting of how the war was going. And how the MSM colluded with the government on this matter.
The amazing thing is that there is still a single soul in the US that trusts their Government or the MSM.
+1 Everyone knows that war is "horrible" but horrible is so vague and in a visually stimulated society difficult to comprehend.
Shit, the 10-25 demographic have been playing ultra violent video games for 10 years so many of them need some really wild shit to be dismayed by "real life" to convinced that real war is really hell.
This is one of the many reasons why it is near impossible to convince my college-aged cohorts that we should be rallying/rioting about the abuse, fraud, and corruption rampant throughout the oligarchy that has been controlling this country for the last century.
They think American revolutions ended in Gettysburg, and French at the Bastille. But what do you expect from publicly funded American History education?
Excellent point. Disturbing social conditioning.
It's as if Abu Ghraib was a beta limus test of torture's acceptability.
Torture does not work as an effective intel tool other than to poison all the participants including an enured numbed public that in not protesting it, tacitly endorses it. Torture is only about desensitizing people to violence and making it culturally acceptable.
The education system is being so undermined that in a few years torture won't be needed to convince someone 2+2=5.
Then it will be strictly recreational.
Completely agree.
I was just talking to my 19 year old brother about control and government and he said "why do you think so many young people play video games? Because it gives them a false sense of control. People want to control things; thats why they go into government and people fight them for control. Why do your think the government sponsors war video games? To give kids control they don't have in real life. Certain people are not capable of decision making and those that can go into government"
These are some scary assumptions and I know my brother speaks for a large portion of our demographic (white middle class suburbanites born between 1980-1995).
I have almost given up trying to rally support to protest. If I can't get college kids who have the least to lose and most to gain to take back their country, who can I convince? You should see the looks on their faces when I express skepticism of any kind. They might as well call me a terrorist for daring to challenge or demand certain evidence of something before I accept it as truth. They are good American students, slowly being groomed to become obedient workers to continue the ponzi. Schools don't educate, they indoctrinate.
Do you know what is the most sad? Those that complain never offer solutions and when I offer solutions that require sacrifice (as all solutions do) I hear "well maybe should just find somewhere else to live." And this from friends and family, loved ones who ask for my advice and then scorn me for it, even lash out at me when I give them a peek into the rabbit hole.
This more than anything is what has me planning escape routes. At some point the gains from trying to help others implement solutions will not be worth the efforts. Sad that a 22 year old trying to create and implement solutions to improve/save his own country may have no choice but to leave.
I was your age when I got the hell out of my birthplace, El Lay. . . I realised I would never "fit" the storyline, and decided there were plenty of other places to explore. . . spent almost 2 decades doing so, and have no regrets at all. . .
pick someplace that appeals, and head out - I seriously doubt those you leave behind will change substantially, so you can always pick up where you left off should you so desire. . . doubtful you will tho'.
best of luck!
"The amazing thing is that there is still a single soul in the US that trusts their Government or the MSM." Where? I'd really like to meet that person.
Agreed, I do not trust msm or fedgov. Maybe, though, if we are gonna splash the war across the front pages, we could do a split screen of the people jumping out of the burning tower in NYC?
Maybe, though, if we are gonna splash the war across the front pages, we could do a split screen of the people jumping out of the burning tower in NYC?
What does one have to do with the other?
even though our very own government had to finally admit there is no connection between that and Iraq, they and the MSM have worked tirelessly to keep it in the public psyche. How else do you keep all that oil safe
To most people around the world, it was not war, but an illegal invasion based upon bogus intelligence....
When you are making $2 - $5 per day, where would this story rank in the issues that affect your life?
If you're making $2 a day then you're a prime candidate to be a victim of collateral damage in the next war for resources, er, I mean freedom.
"It's been that way since tribes fought the first war ten thousand years ago. It'll be the same ten thousand years from now."
I pray you're wrong. IMHO, natural selection is our only way out. We have to get through to evolutionary puberty, you know, the time when our next chromosomes drop. Then, maybe we can live without warfare.
The problem is that psychopathy has a genetic component, and they have for the last few hundred years been in-breeding as well as remaining in control.
So we have the most brutal and cunning individuals at the top. As soon as we as a society realize who sits on top of the pyramid then we will have come a long way in changing this.
http://psychonews.site90.net
But why do we keep obeying the psychopath at the top of the pyramid?
Maybe evolution includes humans as a single social organism learning to discern manipulations (false flags operations and etc.) by psychopaths like my body learns/improves protection against cancer cells or viruses. Otherwise there won't be humans for psychopaths as cancer cells will kill the body and die with it. The body learns to recognize the fake cells, so we need to start recognize who are real humans and who are cancer cells.
>This infantile wailing and whining about the awful things that happened is just too embarrassing and pathetic.
Except that these awful things were completely unnecessary. I guess I'd be happier if I actually got something in exchange for my share of the spent $2 trillion used to turn Iraq into a charnel house. Maybe some Iraqi dental fillings or something.
"I guess I'd be happier if I actually got something in exchange for my share of the spent $2 trillion..."
You did.
3 trillion more in the first 22 months of this administration and this congress...you should be ecstatic right about now ;-)
Here's what you got:
http://www.google.com/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:offi...
Man, am I going to grin mercilessly when the justice tribunal goon squad, who deem you as a threat, knock on your door and have you hanging by shackles, your balls wired to electrodes, each twitch of your body screaming for mortal release. They're the mores that you abide by, right? You shouldn't have any complaints, no!?
It's called torture for a reason. There's a little regulatory body with an Articles of War document called the Geneva Convention. It supposed to set the behavioral standards of the waring party who holds the moral high ground (In war, an oxymoron, I know).
Your comments highlight the decent into a pit the US has entered,equivalent to a moral black hole. There is no escape from it once you enter, its rules apply equally to all who enter. It will tear the fabric of society apart, atom by atom.
You enjoin all to grow up. Into what, a mirror image of you? I'd sooner slit my throat. No, let me emulate you; I'd sooner slit yours.
Well said
Agreed! We should stop whining and grow up!
If in 10,000 years we still haven't figured out how to get along - time to off ourselves. I was kind of hoping it would happen in my lifetime <sigh>
Hey Ark, we don't need to off ourselves.
Remember, for an anthill, you are god.
We are ants to someone, that is for sure.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
A blog post about ants from a few months ago :)
http://arkadaba.blogspot.com/2010/08/ant-with-cheddar-cheese-popcorn.html
:-)
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Sorry to repeat myself, but so long as we continue to obey the sociopath at the top of the pyramid, it will never, ever stop.
War is terrible. And leads to horrific civilization atrocities.
But war is necessary under extreme conditions...
Epiphany!
1) We are not at war legally. There was no declaration by our Congress.
After that all discussions really need to stop. Why is the country engaged in a now 8 year Military operation without any formal declaration of war from congress.
The founders in their wisdom made certain things difficult. Engaging in war with other nations was one of them.
Now cue Palin on TV to tell me the importance of the constitution, a document she is incapable of reading let alone understanding.
I find this article caprices and nefarious yet... magnanimous.
The only shocking thing here is that people believed the USA was not like every other empire that came before.
At least we don't wear those stupid skirts that leave our bony knees showing. Huh. Take that.
Speak for yourself. When I go out in my skirt everyone compliments me on how attractive my knees look.
It's so simple it hurts. The USA is just trying to maintain the Balance of Power, with itself at the top. It couldn't just let any other country have access to all those resources now could it? If the Europeans, Russians or Chinese were on top would it be any different?
Most people just want to be left alone and for their children to have a better life, but there are those who desire power and their ambitions will be tolerated until they aren't.
I find I must agree and please put me in the "leave me the hell alone" category. Thank you.
That's so trite it stinks. The ends never justify the means, unless you are a sociopath. If that is the way the US wants to conduct business, it practices the same methodology as the Muslim religion. IE, enter every country you can and then by the weight of force, insist on your way or the highway. Some religion, some moral code. Phttt to both groups.
"Most people just want to be left alone and for their children to have a better life, but there are those who desire power and their ambitions will be tolerated until they aren't."
Spot on Ragna.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Different beginning (ie, the first to be born in freedom, with industrialization), same end.
Here's hoping it will be a peaceful end.
Wonder who the MSM is going to accuse Julian of raping/molesting this time?
As usual, "secrets" reveal many illegal activities that are hidden.
And I'm just talking about the banks.
This stuff is routine for wars. Heaven help us if we had had to fight WWII with people leaking everything bad they could find about the military.
I would confidently put the real, actual behavior of U.S. soldiers up against those of any other country in the world.
In other words: Yawn. Just fodder for lefties to get their underwear in a knot about this weekend.
I agree. In no way do I endorse this behavior but at the same time this is a war we are talking about here. This is what happens in war. In defense of our troops it's not like we were fighting uniformed soldiers, these people were dressed just like civilians to confuse us and I'm not sure how this 63% number was calculated. In my opinion 100% of them looked like civilians.
I was shipped over there and it's incredibly difficult to discern from the people trying to kill you and the innocent civilians. This was part of our enemies strategy.
A war? Really? I must have slept through the part where the U.S. Congress issued a formal declaration of war.
Who approved the funding for it?
Exactly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement
Do you have anything other than infowars and wiki?
Maybe something credible?
Check this site: http://www.ae911truth.org/
The Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:
And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.
+911
this is absurd bullshit and was not written by anyone with any knowledge of engineering, not the least of which is an understanding of collapse mechanics and the difference between structures built for tensive vs compressive loads
The WTC collapse (including Tower 7) is only 1 category of 100s in the pile of evidence (and debris). Calling something "absurd bullshit" and saying tensive vs compresive loads proves very little. You don't prove a crime by merely calling engineers to the stand. And you know as well as anyone else that that it is a lie to suggest that only ones to speak out against the official "engineered" version have no expertise in the area. Trav you accept the emergency of peak oil, condemn our governments dishonesty on the issue, and visit this site regularly but can not accept that your government would hurt its own people?
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Were we invaded by Afghanistan and Iraq or were we tricked by false flag ops that also installed a President or four?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
It was aliens.
Alex Jones is a certifiable schizophrenic fucking nut case...end of story.
Why don't you listen to him and learn like 70 million people?
Alex isn't right about everything, but he is a step in the right direction for the average person. But he is not onto the whole bankster agenda. And he supports the US' subsidies to Israel... Bad AJ!
Read please:
http://www.infowars.com/banksters-love-cap-and-trade/
http://www.infowars.com/la-times-op-ed-anti-zionism-is-hate-crime/
http://www.infowars.com/